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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
v. 23 Cr. 118 (AT)
MILES GUO,
Defendant. Voir Dire
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New York, N.Y.
May 22, 2024
10:45 a.m.
Before:
HON. ANALISA TORRES,
District Judge
APPEARANCES
DAMIAN WILLIAMS
United States Attorney for the
Southern District of New York
BY: MICAH F. FERGENSON
RYAN B. FINKEL
JUSTIN HORTON
JULIANA N. MURRAY
Assistant United States Attorneys
SABRINA P. SHROFF
Attorney for Defendant
PRYOR CASHMAN LLP
Attorneys for Defendant
BY: SIDHARDHA KAMARAJU
MATTHEW BARKAN
ALSTON & BIRD LLP
Attorneys for Defendant
BY: E. SCOTT SCHIRICK
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ALSO PRESENT:
Isabel Loftus, Paralegal Specialist, USAO
Michael Gartland, Paralegal Specialist, USAO
Geoffrey Mearns, Paralegal Specialist, USAO
Robert Stout, Special Agent, FBI
Ruben Montilla, Defense Paralegal
Tuo Huang, Interpreter (Mandarin)
Shi Feng, Interpreter (Mandarin)
Victor Chang, Interpreter (Mandarin)
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(Jury venire sworn)
THE LAW CLERK: During the course of jury selection,
you will only be referred to by your juror number. At no point
will your name be used. And so right now, I will be calling
you one by one so that one of the judge's law clerks can
confirm your identity and show you to your proper seat for jury
selection.
Juror 1, please come forward.
Those who are in 1-10, please get up and get ready to
be called so that way we can move quickly.
Juror 2, please come forward.
Juror 3, please come forward.
Juror 4, please come forward.
Juror 5, please come forward.
Jurors 11-20, get ready.
Juror 6, please come forward.
Juror 7, please come forward.
Juror 8, please come forward.
Juror 9, please come forward.
Juror 10, please come forward.
Juror 11, please come forward.
Juror 12, please come forward.
Juror 13, please come forward.
Juror 14, please come forward.
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assemble yourselves in order in the back.
Juror 15, please come forward.
Juror 16, please come forward.
Juror 17, please come forward.
Juror 18, please come forward.
Jurors who are in the front row there, please stand in
the back. Everyone in the——thank you.
Juror 19, please come forward.
Juror 20, please come forward.
Juror 21, please come forward.
Juror 22, please come forward.
Juror 23, please come forward.
Juror 24, please come forward.
Juror 25, please come forward.
Jurors 31-40, please go to the back and organize
yourselves in order.
Juror 26, please come forward.
Juror 27, please come forward.
Juror 28, please come forward.
Juror 29, please come forward.
Juror 30, please come forward.
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Juror 35, please come forward.
Jurors 41-50, please organize yourselves in the back.
Juror 35, please come forward.
Juror 36, please come forward.
Juror 37, please come forward.
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Juror 56, please come forward.
Juror 57, please come forward.
Juror 58, please come forward.
Will jurors 61-70 organize themselves in the back of
the room.
Juror 59, please come forward.
Juror 60, please come forward.
Juror 61, please come forward.
Juror 62, please come forward.
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Juror 64, please come forward.
Juror 65, please come forward.
Will jurors 71-85——or 71-80 please organize yourselves
in the back of the room.
Juror 65, please come forward.
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Juror 76, please come forward.
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Juror 95, please come forward.
Juror 95 should be in the row to my right.
Juror 96, please come forward.
Juror 97, please come forward.
Juror 98, please come forward.
Juror 99, please come forward.
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Juror 100, please come forward.
Would the Court like me to double-check, confirming
everyone is in their proper seat?
THE COURT: No. I think that your colleagues have
done a fantastic job of that.
THE LAW CLERK: Thank you, your Honor.
THE COURT: Good morning.
THE JURORS: Good morning.
THE COURT: My name is Analisa Torres. I am the judge
who will be handling this case. We're here this morning to
select a jury in a criminal case. The case is called United
States v. Miles Guo. Through this process, we will choose the
12 jurors and six alternates who will hear and decide the case.
The trial is expected to last about seven weeks, but
it is impossible to predict the exact length of the trial with
certainty.
Today, you'll be required to be here until 5 p.m. We
will be taking a lunch break. If we do not finish selecting a
jury today, you'll be required to be here tomorrow from 9 a.m.
sharp to 5 p.m.
After jury selection, our schedule will be as follows.
Please listen carefully. When jury selection is completed, our
schedule will be as follows: You'll be required to be in the
courtroom from 9:30 until 2:45 p.m., with a break from 11:30 to
12 p.m.
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This jury selection process is intended to make sure
that we have a jury of citizens who will decide the issues in
this case fairly and impartially, and without any bias or
prejudice in favor of or against either side. In order to do
that, I'm going to ask certain questions about your personal
background, your family, some of your beliefs and attitudes
about certain matters, how you are employed, and so forth. You
should understand that my questioning is not intended to pry
into your lives, but to make sure that we select fair and
impartial jurors——that is, jurors who will be free from
preconceived notions or prejudice that might prevent them from
returning a fair and just verdict, based solely on the evidence
or the lack of evidence.
If for any reason you're not able to serve as a fair
and impartial juror, it is your duty to tell me.
In responding to my questions, it is important that
you not say in open court anything about the parties in this
case or about any other matter that might tend to impair the
open-mindedness and fairness of the other jurors. If a
question calls for a yes answer, simply answer yes or no. If
there are further matters that you believe should be disclosed
but that might tend to influence the other jurors, you may ask
to approach the bench to discuss them.
If you're selected to serve, you'll be provided light
refreshments in the morning and a light snack during the lunch
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break each day.
As I said, this is a criminal case. The defendant,
Miles Guo, has been charged with committing 12 federal crimes,
in a document called an indictment. The indictment itself is
not evidence. It simply contains the charges that the
government is required to prove to the satisfaction of the jury
beyond a reasonable doubt. I will instruct the jury on what
this burden of proof means after the evidence is presented.
The defendant has denied the charges and has pleaded
not guilty. I have no knowledge of the facts, and nothing that
I say is evidence. I will, however, briefly discuss the
charges so that you'll understand the reason for certain
questions that will be put to you and so that we can determine
whether there is anything about the charges that would make it
impossible for you to serve as a fair and impartial juror. Of
course, those of you selected to sit on this jury will receive
a detailed explanation of the charges at the conclusion of the
case.
Before I start asking questions, I will explain why
each of you has been assigned a number and will be called by
your number only. This case will be tried before a partially
anonymous jury. That means that neither your names nor the
names of the jurors who ultimately are selected will be made
public. I, court administrators, the defendant, defense
counsel, the prosecution, and my law clerks will know your
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names, but this information will not be shared with the public.
Jurors who are ultimately selected can share their names with
each other, but in open court no juror will ever be referenced
by their name. This case has attracted media attention, and
that is likely to continue. The purpose of using a partially
anonymous jury is to protect all of you from any unwanted
attention and invasion of your privacy, and to ensure that
nothing transpires that might interfere with your impartial and
objective study of the evidence and the application of the law.
I'm now going to tell you briefly about the charges in
this case. The indictment consists of 12 charges, or counts.
The government alleges that the defendant operated four
fraudulent investment schemes as part of a criminal enterprise.
The term "criminal enterprise" is also referred to as a
racketeering or RICO enterprise.
Count One charges the defendant with conspiracy to
operate a criminal enterprise.
Counts Two, Three, and Four charge the defendant with
conspiracy to commit wire fraud, bank fraud, securities fraud,
and money laundering offenses.
Counts Five and Six charge the defendant with
securities fraud and wire fraud, in connection with a private
stock offering for a media company known as GTV.
Counts Seven and Eight charge the defendant with wire
fraud and securities fraud in connection with loans made to a
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group known as the Himalaya Farm Alliance.
Counts Nine and Ten charge the defendant with wire
fraud and securities fraud in connection with a lifestyle
membership company known as G Clubs.
Count Eleven charges the defendant with wire fraud in
connection with the Himalaya Exchange, which some have
described as a cryptocurrency ecosystem.
Finally, Count Twelve charges the defendant with
making a $100 million wire transfer using money derived from a
crime.
The defendant has pleaded not guilty and is presumed
innocent of these charges unless and until he is proven guilty
beyond a reasonable doubt under rules that I will describe as
we proceed. I have briefly discussed the charges, not for the
purpose of giving you any instructions but only so that you
will have them in mind as we go through jury selection.
I am now going to ask some questions to the entire
group. If you prefer not to give your answer in public, just
let me know, and the lawyers and I will hear you at the bench.
If you have a yes answer to any of the questions,
please raise your hand high so that I and my law clerks can see
you. Then I will either discuss your yes answer with you in
open court or ask you to come over to the sidebar and speak
with me and the attorneys in private. It is important that
each of you not discuss amongst yourselves any questions that I
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ask.
After we have reviewed a number of general questions
together as a group, then I will ask each of you about your
individual backgrounds.
During the questioning, you might be excused from
serving as a juror in this case. If you happen to be one of
those excused, do not consider that as any reflection on you
personally. This is all part of our system of justice, which
is intended to provide a fair and impartial jury for both
sides. You will have done your duty by your presence and your
readiness to serve if chosen.
Do any of you have a problem with your hearing or
vision that would prevent you serving as a juror?
Are any of you taking any medications or do you have
any health-related problems that would prevent you from serving
as a juror?
All right, then. If you'll step up, please.
(At the sidebar; juror present)
THE COURT: Hi, sir. What is your number?
JUROR: 25.
THE COURT: And if you'll tell me your name, please.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the issue?
JUROR: I get nervous, and there's no way I can do
this.
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THE COURT: You feel that you could not serve as
because of this health issue?
JUROR: No. I have a doctor's note here.
THE COURT: Okay. Let me take a look at that.
The letter is from Allied Healthcare Physicians, PLLC,
signed by Effie Shilhan, underneath it says DNP-FNP, and in
parentheses, BC. I don't know what those letters stand for.
Do you?
JUROR: I don't know, no.
THE COURT: Okay. The letter is dated May 21st. It
says:
"To Whom It May Concern: XXXXXXXXXX has been under the
care of our office. He has a documented history of anxiety.
Additionally, he has a history of panic attacks for which he
has required medical treatment. Being chosen as a juror may
exacerbate his underlying anxiety and cause significant
distress. If you have any further questions or concerns,
please contact our office."
All right, sir. You may go back to your seat. I'm
going to give you this letter.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing
No. 25?
MR. FINKEL: Not from the government.
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us.
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THE COURT: All right. Then he is excused.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello, ma'am. What is your number?
JUROR: 37.
THE COURT: Could you tell me your name, please.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What is the problem?
JUROR: I feel like I'm——I have anxiety, started
having social anxiety when I was in high school. And I'm not
seeing a doctor right now 'cause I don't have health insurance,
and I'm just afraid that with the media attention, I feel
really paranoid and really——I'm sorry.
THE COURT: All right. So you feel that this is not
the right moment for you to serve as a juror because of your
health issues; is that right?
JUROR: Yes. I'm sorry.
THE COURT: All right. Thank you. You can step back.
JUROR: Okay.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing
No. 37?
MR. FINKEL: Not from the government.
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense, your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay.
(Next juror present)
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THE COURT: Hello there. What is your number?
JUROR: 36.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I'm a substitute teacher in Yonkers. So the
students hit me in the back two weeks ago. So I'm in treatment
right now, with medicine, and there are times I can't drive, so
I don't know if I can——if I have half an hour or an hour to——
THE COURT: So you're telling me that the medication
is too sedating in order for you to serve as a juror; is that
correct?
JUROR: That's correct.
THE COURT: All right, then. You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing
Juror No. 36?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense.
MR. FINKEL: Nor the government.
THE COURT: All righty.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 50.
THE COURT: And what is your name, please?
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JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: I'm sorry. I did not hear you.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What is the problem?
JUROR: So I have a herniated disc on the right side,
sciatica, so I'm constantly in immense pain, so it's a
challenge for me to sit or even stand for any period of time.
So it would be challenging for me to sit for——
THE COURT: So you feel that the pain would distract
you from the trial?
JUROR: So whenever I'm in pain, it's hard for me to
focus because not only do I experience pain, I have tingling,
numbness, weakness in my right side. Right now I'm in physical
therapy, I'm on pain medication, but even with the pain
medication, it's challenging for me. So that's why I say——
THE COURT: Thank you for letting me know. You may
step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 50?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense.
MR. FINKEL: Nor the government.
THE COURT: Okay.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 91.
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THE COURT: Okay. If you can just step back just a
little bit so everybody can hear you.
And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: Yes, I have rheumatism, arthritis, so there
are days where I can't get up out of bed or move at all. Also,
I have blood pressure where I have to take the medicine every
day, and I'm constantly going to the bathroom about every five
or ten minutes or so. So I didn't take anything today 'cause I
knew I was coming down here, so sometimes I get lightheaded and
stuff like that, so——
THE COURT: So you feel that the conditions will
distract you from your service as a juror; is that correct?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.
JUROR: All right. Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Was that 90?
MR. KAMARAJU: 91.
MS. SHROFF: 91.
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing 91?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: Nor the government.
(Next juror present)
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JUROR: Hi. I'm sorry. I'm breastfeeding and——
THE COURT: One moment, please. What is your number?
JUROR: 92.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX. I lost my voice.
THE COURT: And you're saying that you're now
breastfeeding and this is not the moment for you to sit in a
jury box; is that correct?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: You would need breaks in order to——
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: ——pump.
JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: Okay. All righty. You may step back.
JUROR: Okay. Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing her?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: Nor the government.
THE COURT: All right. No. 92 is excused.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. If you would tell me your
number.
JUROR: 97.
THE COURT: And your name.
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JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: So my daughter is having surgery tomorrow, and
so I didn't know when I——I should have excused myself from jury
duty, but I——I thought it was like state court, where you go in
three days and then you're done, so I——but I can't be here
tomorrow, or next week.
THE COURT: Or next week.
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: You want to take care of your daughter; is
that it?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: All righty then. You may step back.
JUROR: Okay.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 97?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number, please?
JUROR: 34.
THE COURT: And your name please?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I have four herniated discs, I have an
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Achilles operation, my knee operation, I can't——my——my body
just can't sit here and just, you know, I can't——
THE COURT: So you feel that these health problems
would——
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: ——prevent you from serving as a juror; is
that it?
JUROR: Yes, mm-hmm.
THE COURT: All right. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing
No. 44?
MR. KAMARAJU: We do not object, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 93.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is your full name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I'm diabetic, so I——I take medication, but it
sometimes makes me nervous, and I cannot sit for a long period
of time with an empty stomach.
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THE COURT: So are you saying that the nervousness
would make you feel very uncomfortable serving as a juror?
JUROR: Not all the time but sometimes, yeah, it make
me like not——I have to take a rest.
THE COURT: Yeah. And you're saying that you need to
take breaks in order to eat; is that it?
JUROR: Yes, sometimes, yes.
THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing
No. 93?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
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(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. What is your number?
JUROR: 52.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR:
.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: The only scenario I want to disclose, I'm
currently wearing a heart monitor for palpitations, irregular
heartbeat. I'm supposed to be wearing this for the next two
weeks, and then consulting with my physician after that. I
only mention that since it may be seven weeks, I don't know if
I'm going to be seen prior to.
THE COURT: So you're wearing some sort of device
right now?
JUROR: Correct. Heart monitor.
THE COURT: And then is it that you have to go back to
the doctor in order to get the results from --
JUROR: Correct.
And then from there, decide the course of action,
whatever that may be.
THE COURT: Well, did they discuss with you what that
might be?
JUROR: Not yet. Not until we know what the results
are.
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THE COURT: In other words, did they mention it's
likely you may have to take medication or you have to have
surgery?
JUROR: Medication possibly. They mentioned
medication possibly.
THE COURT: But they didn't talk about surgery.
JUROR: Not surgery, not that I'm aware of at this
point in time, no.
THE COURT: So do you feel that wearing the monitor is
going to prevent you from serving as a juror?
JUROR: No. Just the seven weeks, in case they need
to do any course of actions prior to.
THE COURT: Well, you've just said that they've only
discussed medication.
JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: And many of us take medication on a daily
basis.
JUROR: Right.
THE COURT: Did they tell you that the medication was
going to somehow impair your --
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: -- cognition?
JUROR: No. Not at this point, no, not that I'm aware
of any of that. I just figured I'll disclose it so you're
aware of it.
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THE COURT: All right then. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: I don't think that he should be dismissed
for cause.
MR. FINKEL: Government agrees.
MR. KAMARAJU: We agree, your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Sir, what is your number?
JUROR: 87.
THE COURT: 87. And what is your name?
JUROR:
.
THE COURT: And what is the problem, Mr. Tejada?
JUROR: I have a prostate problem. I'm going to be
interrupting you probably every few minutes. So I have an
appointment for today at 3:30 that I lose because I have to
come here. But I just want to let you know. It's in your
consideration, if you wanted me to stay, I don't know.
THE COURT: Are you saying that you have to use the
bathroom frequently?
JUROR: Frequently.
THE COURT: Like how frequently?
JUROR: Like, I don't know, probably every 10 to 15
minutes, something like that, you know.
THE COURT: Okay.
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JUROR: So I have a surgery already in my prostate, so
I cannot contain. You know, like sometimes I have to -- you
know, but I just want to let you know. Up to you.
THE COURT: All right, then, sir. You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection with my excusing
him from service?
MR. KAMARAJU: No.
MS. MURRAY: 87. Not from the government, your Honor.
THE COURT: All righty.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 30.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR:
.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: My doctor has me in physical therapy twice a
week for complications after multiple orthopedic surgeries. So
seven weeks of not having that for pain management would mean
medications and I'd rather not be on medication.
THE COURT: Are you saying that in order to serve as a
juror you would have to forgo the medication?
JUROR: No, I'm not on medication. Physical therapy.
THE COURT: It's only physical therapy that you're
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receiving, but you need to receive it several times a week, is
that it?
JUROR: Twice a week.
THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: So like missing a week or two is one thing,
but seven weeks would be just -- for pain management I'd have
to go on some medications.
THE COURT: Are you saying that would be the
alternative, medication would be the alternative?
JUROR: I would have to go on multiple medications to
manage the symptoms.
THE COURT: And would that interfere with your ability
to serve as a juror?
JUROR: I would probably be out of it with the pain
management ones because the last time I was on them, I wasn't
fully there.
THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing number 30?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: Defer to the Court, your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello.
JUROR: How are you?
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THE COURT: Fine. And you?
JUROR: Good.
THE COURT: What is your number?
JUROR: 35.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR:
.
THE COURT: Okay, then. And what is the problem?
JUROR: Twofold. I'm supposed to start therapy on my
right knee right after Memorial Day. And then I have cataract
surgery planned for mid June.
THE COURT: Okay. Well, good luck with all of that.
Would you tell me your number one more time.
JUROR: Sure. 35.
THE COURT: Okay. All righty. So you may step back.
JUROR: Thank you, Judge.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing
number 35?
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. Your number?
JUROR: 83.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR:
; F, as in Frank.
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THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I have Parkinson's disease. And I didn't find
an excuse for it, because I think I can serve; it just seemed
that I need to take medication every three or four hours, and I
thought you should know.
THE COURT: So would the medication interfere with
your ability to focus and stay alert?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: So it's just a question of your having a
break to take the medication?
JUROR: Yes, and possibly some abnormal movement at
times. I'm well-medicated. I'm not a severe case. I thought
about would I get sleepy, I don't think so. So I'm not baiting
to be excused. It would be your decision.
THE COURT: All right. Thank you. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: So I see no reason to excuse number 83.
MR. FINKEL: We agree.
MR. KAMARAJU: We agree, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello, what is your number?
JUROR: 59.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR:
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THE COURT: And what is the problem?
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JUROR: I just suffer from anxiety. Going to a
therapist once a month and I take medication twice a day. So
just the thought of -- I don't know. I just get anxious, so --
THE COURT: So are you saying that serving as a juror
is going to make your condition worse?
JUROR: Correct. Correct.
I also traveled extensively for my job; so two months
is like -- I can't even imagine that. It would just impact me
financially.
THE COURT: So it would be a financial hardship?
JUROR: Absolutely.
THE COURT: All righty, sir. You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing number 59?
MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: We defer, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. Go ahead.
Is that it? All right. We'll go back.
(In open court)
THE COURT: Do any of you have any trouble
understanding or reading English?
All righty. If you would come up please.
Counsel.
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(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 20.
THE COURT: 20. And what is your name?
JUROR:
.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I can speak, but I don't understand everything
and writing. So I don't want to be a judgment in something
that I don't understand everything.
THE COURT: Have you understood everything that I've
been saying?
JUROR: Yeah. Not everything, but I get it.
THE COURT: You're saying you've understood most of
what I said.
JUROR: Yeah. I can defend myself speaking, not
writing or understanding. I want to be honest.
THE COURT: Thank you.
JUROR: You know?
THE COURT: You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing number 20?
MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
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THE COURT: Okay.
(In open court)
THE COURT: If a witness testifies in another language
that you know, and an interpreter translates the testimony,
would any of you not be able to rely exclusively on the
interpreter's translation of the testimony?
Step up, please.
(At sidebar)
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Would you come closer.
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: And what is your number?
JUROR: 19.
THE COURT: And do you speak another language?
JUROR: I speak a few, yeah.
THE COURT: And what languages are those?
JUROR: Russian, Dutch, German, Afrikaans and Hebrew.
THE COURT: All righty. So my question was whether if
someone is a witness and speaking one of these languages that
you know, other than English, and an interpreter is
interpreting, could you rely exclusively on the interpretation
given by the interpreter?
JUROR: I probably could, but I'm not likely to do
that. Because especially when it comes to technical terms that
I understand, perhaps that have not been interpreted correctly,
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I think I'll attribute certain importance to my understanding
of the direct testimony that I heard.
THE COURT: So you're saying you would favor your own
understanding.
JUROR: Absolutely. I'm not going to disregard it.
But to the extent it's not interpreted in a way that makes
sense in my understanding, I'll just attribute -- I'll just
interpret it in context, irrespective of the technical
interpretation, especially when it comes to securities fraud.
THE COURT: So suppose I told you that you must accept
the interpretation offered by the interpreter. Would you be
able to follow that instruction?
JUROR: 100 percent.
THE COURT: So you would be able to put aside your
understanding of the language?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Do you speak Mandarin?
JUROR: I do not.
THE COURT: Okay. If you would step back, please.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: So I think he was rehabilitated.
Is there any objection that is remaining?
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
MS. SHROFF: Not from us.
THE COURT: All right then.
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THE COURT: Hello, sir. What is your number?
JUROR: 80.
THE COURT: Number 80?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay. One moment, please.
And if you would tell me your name.
JUROR:
.
THE COURT: Do you speak another language?
JUROR: I'm Italian.
THE COURT: And do you know any language in addition
to Italian?
JUROR: Italian, English, and a little bit of Spanish.
THE COURT: So if a person testifies at the trial
through an interpreter, would you be able to follow the
interpreter's translation exclusively?
JUROR: There are a lot of euphemisms in Italian that
can't really be translated; so it would be difficult for me to
disregard my knowledge of the language and culture when
someone -- things like that.
THE COURT: So if I told you that I don't expect any
Italian-speaking witnesses --
JUROR: Then it should be fine.
THE COURT: And if there are no -- let's talk about
Spanish. Do you feel the same way about Spanish as you do
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JUROR: I'm definitely less knowledgeable, but I do
know certain phrases that are not really translatable, and it's
more about cultural significance to them.
THE COURT: So if someone were to testify in Spanish —
and let's say that you didn't agree with the translation
offered by the interpreter — would you be able to follow --
JUROR: It would be difficult, but I could try.
THE COURT: Okay.
Are there any other languages that you know?
JUROR: That's it.
THE COURT: Do you know Mandarin?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: All right. You may step back.
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THE COURT: Is there any objection to his remaining?
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, as long as he can follow the
Court's instructions to listen to the interpreter and not the
witnesses, there's no objection from the government.
THE COURT: We're not expecting any Italians or
Spanish-speaking people?
MS. MURRAY: We do have Italian and Spanish-speaking
witnesses, but they are expected to testify in English.
There's just a standby interpreter, particularly for the
Spanish-speaking witnesses, in case they need help with
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THE COURT: So is there any objection to his
remaining?
MR. FINKEL: No.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, could we just have one
second?
THE COURT: Yes.
(Counsel conferred)
MS. SHROFF: Thank you, your Honor.
We have no objection.
THE COURT: Any other languages that you expect?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.
THE COURT: His number was?
MS. SHROFF: 80.
THE COURT: Okay. So he'll remain. Very good.
Oh, we have one other?
THE LAW CLERK: Two more.
THE COURT: Two others?
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Sir, what is your number?
JUROR: 95.
THE COURT: And I had asked -- and your name, by the
way.
JUROR:
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THE COURT: And I had asked whether anybody knows
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through an interpreter, if they could follow the interpreter's
translation exclusively.
JUROR: If the defendant or whoever is speaking
different language, in my specific case would be Korean, then I
would be understanding that language as well, whatever is
speaking. Then I will be naturally considering that as I
understand the language.
THE COURT: Other than Korean, is there any other
language that you know?
JUROR: No, I don't.
THE COURT: Obviously English.
JUROR: Yes, English, of course.
THE COURT: Assuming that it's not Korean, you would
be able to follow my instruction that you must rely on the
interpreter's translation; is that correct?
JUROR: Yes, that's right.
THE COURT: All righty. Thank you.
You may step back.
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THE COURT: No Korean language speakers, right?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not that we're aware of.
THE COURT: No reason to excuse him.
THE LAW CLERK: We have one more after this.
THE COURT: After this one. Two?
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THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: 56.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR:
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THE COURT: And I had asked whether if someone
testifies in another language other than English, and if you
happen to know that language, would you be able to rely
exclusively on the translation that is offered by the
interpreter?
JUROR: I'm trying to understand the question, that's
why I stood in line.
So somebody talks in language that I understand, but
there's a translator, will I be able to rely on the translator
or on the person who testifies in the language that I know?
THE COURT: So if I instruct you that you must rely on
the interpreter, despite the fact that you know the language --
JUROR: I see.
THE COURT: -- would you be able to do that?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay.
And what languages other than English do you know?
JUROR: Russian.
THE COURT: Okay. So you don't know Spanish?
JUROR: No.
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THE COURT: Not Italian?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Not Mandarin?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: All right. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: I see no reason to excuse her.
MR. FINKEL: The government agrees.
THE COURT: Okay.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello there. What number are you?
Okay. 53. And what is your name.
JUROR:
.
THE COURT: And your last name?
JUROR:
.
THE COURT: Do you know any languages other than
English?
JUROR: Yes. Czech, Slovak, Polish, Russian, German
little bit, little bit Spanish.
THE COURT: So if someone testifies in Spanish through
an interpreter, would you be able to rely on the translation
offered by the interpreter instead of your own knowledge of
Spanish?
JUROR: My main concern is I work with interpreters
and I'm really concerned that using the interpreters, I know
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how the nuances are often lost. And when I use the interpreter
and someone else uses -- asking similar questions, the nuances
are sometimes different. And the answers of the person that
you're talking with might be different. And I use the
interpreter on a daily basis; so I kind of have the experience
that asking questions with the interpreter, somebody else ask
similar questions and get different answers. Because sometimes
the nuances are lost.
THE COURT: So are you saying that you do not have
faith?
JUROR: Well, for basics, yes; but for details, no.
THE COURT: And so if you were a juror and the
interpreter was interpreting in a language that you do not
know, then would you --
JUROR: Well, that's -- I don't know, because I would
not be able to totally rely on that. Because I know that
sometimes things could be missed with this.
THE COURT: Okay.
And you are number 53; is that correct?
JUROR: 53.
THE COURT: All right. You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
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THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing her?
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
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MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor. Thank you.
THE LAW CLERK: That's it, Judge.
THE COURT: That's it?
Okay. Let's go back.
(In open court)
THE COURT: The trial in this case is estimated to
last about seven weeks; that is, approximately until July 12th
of this year. We will not be in session on federal holidays,
nor will court be in session on the following days:
Monday, May 27th; Wednesday, June 19th; Friday, June
28th; Monday, July 1st; Thursday, July 4th; and Friday, July
5th. I'm just going to repeat those dates. We will not be in
session on Monday, May 27th; Wednesday, June 19th; Friday, June
28th; Monday, July 1st; Thursday, July 4th; and Friday, July
5th.
Keeping in mind your civic duty to serve as a juror,
is there anything about the length of the trial that would make
it an extreme hardship for you to serve as a juror?
(At sidebar)
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Sir, what is your number?
JUROR: Number one.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR:
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THE COURT: What's the problem?
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JUROR: I have a small business, and this would cause
me a great deal of harm. I was explaining to the person up
front when I came in that I was -- you know, even for a short
trial, it would be detrimental to me.
THE COURT: You're saying it would be a financial
hardship?
JUROR: I mean, in every way: To my business, to
financial. Yeah, I'm all but a one man band. I have just one
other person working with me and I'm over my head.
THE COURT: All right then. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing him?
MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: Seven.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR:
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THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I'm an HR director for the Department of
Education. So right now -- we just had the budget. And right
now we're staffing. And I have to make sure that there's
summer school and staffing for September.
So a lot of my directors are calling me. I should
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have been in a meeting today. I wasn't aware that I couldn't
bring my computer, because I didn't know. So I thought I was
going to be able to do some work here. Apparently, I cannot
use my computer.
THE COURT: What would happen, God forbid, if you were
hit by a truck today?
JUROR: Right. They would have somebody there to
cover for me, you're right.
THE COURT: So there are other people who can perform
your work?
JUROR: Yeah. But, like, seven weeks is a long time.
And we just -- I just -- we just hired a new HRD who I was
training; and she's the one that I was training for this role.
She's new. I'm in district one and two, she's in district two.
She just got there. And I was supporting her. And now I'm not
there. So I told her to, like, you know, make sure she can
take some of my calls. And when I get back to the office, I'm
going to, you know, address some of the issues.
THE COURT: Is she the person who would fill in if you
were completely unavailable?
JUROR: Yeah. She just started. Yes, she's my cover
right now. She's covering for me right now that I'm here.
THE COURT: Did you hire her?
JUROR: We hired her, yes, the committee.
THE COURT: So everyone thought she was very
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competent; is that right?
JUROR: Yes, that's correct.
THE COURT: Okay. So it could be that she could
perform the job maybe with some difficulty?
JUROR: Yeah.
THE COURT: All right. You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: I don't see any reason to excuse No. 7.
MR. FINKEL: Government agrees.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, I think that -- I honestly --
she's not going to be -- it's going to come back is that she
clearly says this is the school period where the time slot is
the most necessary for her presence. And I just think that
given her -- given what she said, eventually we're going to
have the same problem with her. Because unfortunately, it's
the break, it's the school break these months, these weeks. So
our position would be we should excuse her for cause, but
that's our position.
THE COURT: Okay. So I disagree. She said that she
has someone who is new, but who would take over if she were
completely unavailable. So I'm not going to excuse No. 7.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello, sir. Would you tell me your
number.
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JUROR: No. 6.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR:
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THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: Seven weeks is a long time. I have a
single-income household and I work a lot of overtime to keep up
with the bills. I also have my son's graduation, vacation
plans. And the boys also play baseball, so a lot of
tournaments.
THE COURT: So will you be paid if you serve as a
juror? Is your salary going to continue?
JUROR: Oh, yes, I'd be paid. But also I'm not
working the overtime. That's always available to me.
THE COURT: So what portion of your income would you
be losing?
JUROR: At least 30 percent.
THE COURT: And would that be a financial hardship for
you and your family?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: All right. You can step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing No.
6?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense.
MR. FINKEL: We defer to your Honor's judgment.
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THE COURT: All righty. No. 6 is excused.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: Nine.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR:
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THE COURT: What is the problem?
JUROR: Well, I have an eight-year-old, and my husband
and I watch him. We work hybrid schedules, and we're going to
have a problem with daycare and he's going to need to take off.
And he might lose his job because we don't have someone to
watch our son.
THE COURT: So you know that we're meeting only
between 9:30 and 2:45?
JUROR: I understand that.
THE COURT: Isn't that generally the time when your
son would be in school or at camp?
JUROR: So I live in northern Westchester. It would
take me an hour and a half to get there. There are days when
he has off that are not holidays. The school is just closed.
And he's heading into camp. And the camp hours are different.
They end at 4. And I don't know if we'll be there to pick him
up or if it's going to be challenging.
THE COURT: So you feel that the schedule -- your
son's schedule will not permit you to be here between 9:30 and
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2:45, is that it?
JUROR: That's correct.
THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing her?
MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, no.
I just note that obviously everyone is going to have a
problem sitting on the jury for a trial this long. And I defer
to your Honor's judgment about the amount of hardship with this
particular juror. And more generally, that's the government's
concern.
THE COURT: Well, I'm asking you if you're objecting.
MR. FINKEL: Not objecting.
THE COURT: You're not objecting.
What was that number again?
MS. SHROFF: Nine.
THE COURT: All right. No. 9 is excused. Let's go.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: 13.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR:
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THE COURT: And what is the problem?
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JUROR: I have -- I'm a maid of honor at a wedding out
of town on June 27th. So if it can go until June 27th, that's
great, just after July --
THE COURT: So when would you have to leave then?
JUROR: The 27th.
THE COURT: You'd have to leave on the 27th. And when
would you be returning?
JUROR: July 9th.
THE COURT: So that period between the 27th and the
9th --
JUROR: It's on the west coast.
THE COURT: -- you must be away.
JUROR: Yeah.
THE COURT: All right, then. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
MS. SHROFF: I think we should keep her; I need the
break.
THE COURT: I think that won't work, so I'm going to
excuse No. 13. No objection; correct?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us.
MR. FINKEL: Correct.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. Your number?
JUROR: 12.
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
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JUROR: So I'm head of investor relations. I don't
know the company -- if I can -- head of investor relations for
the Middleby Corporation. And I have four investor events that
are coming up that require me to be at, because we already had
the meetings arranged to meet with investors, the hotels have
been booked, and so that's within the next month.
THE COURT: So when are those meetings?
JUROR: I have one next Thursday, I have one June 6th,
and the other one is -- I think is right -- no, June 10th, and
there's one a week before that, so I think it's like June 3rd
or so.
THE COURT: So what would happen if you were hit by a
truck?
JUROR: Well, I mean, the meetings would be canceled.
But my fear is that if this doesn't happen, I mean, I could
lose my job, honestly.
THE COURT: So are you saying that there's no one at
your investment firm that could --
JUROR: It's not an investment firm, it's a company.
So I'm head of investor relations; so I'm meeting with
investors at these conferences.
THE COURT: So you're looking for them to make some
sort of equity contribution, is that it?
JUROR: Not necessarily, but maybe buy the stock.
THE COURT: Buy the stock, okay.
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JUROR: Right.
THE COURT: And so if you could not be there to
cultivate those relationships, who would go in your stead?
JUROR: CFO maybe.
THE COURT: The CFO could go.
JUROR: Maybe.
THE COURT: All right. Okay.
All righty. You may step back, sir.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: So I don't see any reason to excuse him.
MR. FINKEL: Government agrees.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, the first answer he gave was
if you couldn't go, what would happen, he said, I would have to
cancel the meeting.
THE COURT: Right. But then he just said the CFO can
step in.
MS. SHROFF: I understand that he said maybe the CFO
could step in. And then he said it would be an immense
financial hardship.
THE COURT: I didn't hear the financial hardship
piece.
MR. SCHIRICK: I thought he said, your Honor, he would
lose his job.
MS. SHROFF: He said he would lose his job. I'm
sorry.
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THE COURT: Let's bring him back.
What number was he, by the way?
MR. FINKEL: 12.
THE LAW CLERK: 12.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Sir, you said that you might lose your
job. Why is that?
JUROR: I feel that because that -- I feel if I don't
go to these events because I'm the one that arranged them, I
have the meetings already arranged, maybe someone could step in
for me, but I would get a sense that -- that they would feel --
that almost like a letdown in a way somewhat.
THE COURT: So you're saying -- are these the
higher-ups, people that are senior?
JUROR: Yeah. The CEO, CFO, yeah. It would be
because it would put them in a bind as well.
THE COURT: And those meetings can't be rescheduled?
JUROR: No, no. Because the event is set and the
meetings are set. And so they are not -- it's an event that we
don't arrange, that's arranged by a bank or banks. And these
meetings are already set, so there's no way to move them.
THE COURT: Okay. You can step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Well, it sounds like he has less control
over the process than I originally thought.
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MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, appears to work for a company
large enough to have a C-suite, including a chief financial
officer and chief executive officer. The trial, as the Court
noted, will end every day at 2:45.
Everyone is going to be putting their jobs to the side
and fulfilling their civic duty and sitting on a jury in this
case. They would be able to help and communicate with the
people that he works with in the investment firm after a trial
day. I don't believe that what he has said is reason to excuse
him for cause at this time.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, he specifically said the
meetings are out of town. He said his flight is booked and his
hotels are booked. It's not one meeting, it's several
meetings. Meetings don't occur after 3:45 on a workday;
meetings occur during the day.
He specifically said he didn't arrange these meetings.
These are conferences that were set up by banks and other
people. And he's the person who has liaised with the people
that are planning to be there for him.
So I do not think this is an issue of civic duty of
putting things aside; this is a person who has detailed why
he's asking to be excused. I think that there is a genuine
concern on his part that he's letting down the people that
hired him. And for those reasons, we should not treat him any
differently than any other people who have asked to -- I wasn't
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finished.
THE COURT: I'm sorry. Go ahead.
MS. SHROFF: No, no, I was -- I mean, he said he's --
he detailed -- we didn't even ask him where he's supposed to
travel to. So he has travel and hotels booked for himself.
And he's the one who's the person who liaised with the client.
THE COURT: So he did say that the CFO would step in.
I'm not going to excuse him.
Anybody else?
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Juror number please?
JUROR: 18.
THE COURT: And what is the issue?
I'm sorry, your name again.
JUROR:
.
MR. FINKEL: Sorry, 18? Thank you.
JUROR: So I have travel plans. I am taking my
grandmother home to Denmark on the 28th of June.
THE COURT: That's wonderful.
Okay. All righty. Enjoy your grandmother.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: All right. We'll excuse No. 18.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello, your number, please?
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JUROR: 17.
THE COURT: And your name please?
JUROR:
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THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: Tomorrow I have a major job interview that
I've been working towards for over a year with my company that
I work for. I also have a funeral for my grandpa in June, and
I'll be traveling for around two weeks.
THE COURT: So is this a memorial service?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And so when is that? What day is that?
JUROR: It's from around June 15th to the end of June.
THE COURT: All right. But there's one service, isn't
there?
JUROR: Yeah, but it's in Sweden, so I have to travel
to Sweden.
THE COURT: I see. All righty.
If you'll step back.
(Juror not present)
MR. KAMARAJU: Consecutive jurors who travel to
Sweden?
THE COURT: Denmark. It's a Norwegian day, I guess.
MR. KAMARAJU: Are we going to have Norwegian speakers
at the trial?
MR. FINKEL: I don't think so.
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THE COURT: What number is he again?
MS. SHROFF: 17.
THE COURT: He's excused.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. What is your number?
JUROR: 25.
THE COURT: Okay. Go ahead.
JUROR: I own my own business with one other employee.
So being away for seven weeks would be quite a bit for me to be
away from because it's only me and her. I also have prepaid
travel plans already starting June 14th.
THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: And my dad is also 82, and I have to take care
of him as well.
THE COURT: All right. You can step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: He's already excused.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: If you would just tell me your number,
please.
JUROR: Sorry. No. 26.
THE COURT: Your name, please.
JUROR: My name is
.
So I was just recently diagnosed with skin cancer. So
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going to be a big deal, but there's no way I can sit through
seven weeks. I have to go back and forth. So it's -- sitting
through seven weeks, I have follow-up appointments. I mean,
it's skin cancer. They think they got most of it, but there's
just no way I can sit through seven weeks with a skin cancer
diagnosis.
THE COURT: So is it that you need to go to the
doctors' appointments?
JUROR: Yeah, I have doctors' appointments,
follow-ups.
THE COURT: Okay. So if you had these appointments in
the afternoon, after we finish --
JUROR: Psychologically, I mean, I was just
recently -- this is something that came out of nowhere. So a
week ago Monday I went and I had skin cancer, carcinoma. They
removed a big gash here in my leg. So I'm still dealing with
that. To be coming down here for seven weeks on top of
everything else, I just don't think I can handle that.
THE COURT: Are you saying that you would be
distracted by your medical condition?
JUROR: I would be distracted by my medical condition,
yes. I'm still trying to get over it, but --
THE COURT: All right, sir. I hope you feel better.
You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
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THE COURT: All righty. Number?
MS. SHROFF: 26.
THE COURT: All right. He is excused, I assume
without objection.
MR. KAMARAJU: None from us, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay. Sorry about that.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 24.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I'm currently on a project that I'm overseeing
that I need to bring to completion during this time for my job.
I don't control the schedule of this project.
In addition, I've been working on the project for over
a year. If I don't see the project to completion, I don't get
paid at all because I have a deferred salary.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR:
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THE COURT: What is the nature of the project?
JUROR: It's a film production.
THE COURT: And there's a deadline?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And what's that deadline?
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JUROR: Well, I need -- we have to picture lock the
film by July 4th; quickly then I move into the sound mix for
the following two weeks. So between now and July 4th, I need
to be involved on a daily basis on this project. I need to be
present in screenings; I need to be present for the entire
sound mix. It's not a possibility for me to change this.
THE COURT: What is your title?
JUROR: I am producer.
THE COURT: And is this a feature film?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: So if you got hit by a car, what would
happen?
JUROR: They would replace me. I wouldn't get paid.
I would be dead. They would replace me.
THE COURT: So you're saying that if you're not
present, it would be a financial hardship.
JUROR: Yes. I'd lose over $100,000 in deferred
salary from this film if I don't -- if I do not bring the film
to completion.
THE COURT: Your number again?
JUROR: 24.
THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: No objection to his being excused?
MR. KAMARAJU: No.
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MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
THE LAW CLERK: Judge, 22 so far.
THE COURT: Oh, okay. We're good.
MR. KAMARAJU: Always an optimist, your Honor.
THE COURT: That is right. That is right.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. Your number, please.
JUROR: 38.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR:
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THE COURT: What's the last name?
JUROR:
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THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: So I'm graduating within the next two weeks.
So I really would rather not miss my graduation. And after
that, my parents will work full-time, and I'm one of the
caretakers for my ten-year old sister. And I need to be there
to, like, pick her up from school and make sure that she's fed
and such.
THE COURT: And so what degree are you going to get?
JUROR: A bachelor's.
THE COURT: Bachelor's. And when is the graduation?
JUROR: It's next week. And the ceremony is after to
celebrate awards and such.
THE COURT: And are you saying that you care for your
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on?
JUROR: There are other -- I have another family
member who can, but it's -- she's still -- she's young, she's
not -- she's still younger, she's 19 years old. And I don't
want that burden to be entirely on her.
THE COURT: So what is the date of the graduation?
JUROR: May 28th.
THE COURT: May 28th.
And then you say there's something else that you have
to go to?
JUROR: That is optional. I can probably work around
that. But mostly it's just making sure I make it to that, and
then just taking care of my sister.
THE COURT: So if you are able to go to the graduation
on May 28th, then your commitments to the school would be
satisfied; is that correct?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And then you say that there's someone else
who can take care of your sister, although it's not preferable,
is that what you're telling me?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: All right, then. You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
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THE COURT: All right. Are we off on the 28th?
MS. MURRAY: No, that's next Tuesday.
MS. SHROFF: I made the same mistake. I was all
excited.
THE COURT: All right. So what do you want to do?
MS. SHROFF: You know, let her go to her awards
ceremony. We're in good shape with numbers.
MR. FINKEL: Graduation is important.
THE COURT: All right, then. 38, was it?
All right. No. 38 is excused.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 37.
THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: So basically, like, I'm door-knocking for a
political candidate. And the primary is on the 25th. And
whether she wins or loses, I might be out of a job.
And on top of that, if it's, like, eight to ten weeks
for pay and the trial is seven weeks, I'm not going to have any
money coming in. And I won't be able to pay my credit card or
pay for my cat's health, like the cat insurance.
THE COURT: So you're saying this would be a financial
hardship for you?
JUROR: A really bad one.
THE COURT: All right.
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JUROR: There's one more thing I need to raise.
THE COURT: Go ahead.
JUROR: I don't want to sound mean or anything, but
when I heard that the defendant does like crypto stuff, I'm
kind of like really opposed to any crypto stuff at all. I kind
of think they are nontrustworthy. They run scams. I would be
really biased. I don't think I can move past it at all. I've
heard a lot about things that happen with these, I'm sorry.
THE COURT: No, that's all right.
All right. I appreciate your candor.
You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: We've already excused her.
MR. KAMARAJU: We don't have an objection.
MR. FINKEL: To excusing her again? Neither do we.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. What is your number? 39?
JUROR: Yeah.
THE COURT: Okay. What is your name?
JUROR: My name is
.
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: I have a ten-year old who I am solely
responsible for getting to and from school every day. My
spouse works overnights till 8 a.m., and sleeps during the day.
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Once school ends, I'm it. I'm his summer camp until August,
when his actual summer camp starts. We don't have family in
the area. A lot of people have family help; we don't have
that. I live in northern Westchester. It took me two hours to
get here. I'm all my kid has until August. Also, we have a
family vacation planned the week of 4th of July on top of all
that.
THE COURT: All righty.
JUROR: So that's it.
THE COURT: Thank you for letting me know.
JUROR: And I'm a nervous wreck now not having my cell
phone. I'm his emergency contact as well.
THE COURT: All right. I understand.
You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: No. 39, is there any objection to my
excusing No. 39?
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: 41.
THE COURT: What is the problem?
JUROR: Well, I have an immediate scheduling issue.
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I'm scheduled to fly out of New York to San Francisco for a
conference on Tuesday afternoon. And I'm not planning to
return from California until June 8th.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: My name
.
THE COURT: And why do you need to go to the
conference?
JUROR: It's a caregiver conference and it's part of
my -- I'm the CEO of a small company, and I was invited to
attend the conference.
THE COURT: So is it something that you're required to
do?
JUROR: I'm not required, but it would require a lot
of moving around to change it.
I also have a ticket -- confirmed ticket, which is
nonrefundable, to leave the country on June 21st and not
returning until July 1st.
THE COURT: And where are you going?
JUROR: To Ireland.
THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: And then just the last thing is that I run a
small company. I'm CEO. We have six employees. And so, you
know, I can be gone for a little bit, but to be out without any
communication during the day, during working hours for that
long would definitely be problematic.
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THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing her?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Was that 41?
MS. SHROFF: Yes.
THE COURT: All right, then.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there.
If you'll tell me your number, please.
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: 23. And your name?
JUROR:
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THE COURT: What is the problem?
JUROR: My father is in Hospice, he's 97. I'm his
only child and primary caretaker for him. I came because I
thought I would probably have to serve for two weeks, but seven
weeks would not be possible. If something happens, I'm the
only one.
THE COURT: I'm sorry to hear about your dad.
All righty. Don't worry, you may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: She was?
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MS. SHROFF: 23.
THE COURT: Okay. So she is excused without
objection; correct?
MR. FINKEL: Yes, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU: Yes, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. If you'll tell me your number,
please.
JUROR: 21.
THE COURT: And your name.
JUROR:
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THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I'm going to be away next Thursday and Friday.
And I work in a hospital in their IT department, so it would be
hard for me to take off that much time.
THE COURT: And so what hospital do you work at?
JUROR: Montefiore.
THE COURT: So that's a big, big hospital with many,
many, many employees. And I imagine that you're not the only
IT person there; am I correct?
JUROR: No. No. I mean yes, sorry, you're correct.
THE COURT: Okay. So they would be able to find
somebody to fill in for you; is that correct?
JUROR: Yeah. I guess so.
THE COURT: And this going away that you talk about,
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is that something that is obligatory?
JUROR: I mean, yeah. I have my flights booked. It's
for a bachelorette party.
THE COURT: Your flights are booked?
JUROR: Yeah.
THE COURT: Okay. All righty. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing her?
MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor. We're not going to
ruin her bachelorette party.
THE COURT: All right. So she was 21. Okay.
(Juror present)
JUROR: Hello again, your Honor.
THE COURT: Hi there. Your number again?
JUROR: 19.
THE COURT: And what's the issue?
JUROR: There are a few.
So I'm going on holiday on Friday with my family.
Then I'm going to Germany at the end of June through July the
2nd for a major international sports event. We bought the
tickets, bought the plane ticket, reserved hotels. It's an
expense of approximately 5K.
Certainly a seven-week absence from my job would be
extremely detrimental to my employer due to the fact that they
will need to quickly, through some sort of fire drill, delegate
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authority, because currently I'm authorized to do certain
things. And quite a few affiliates in the U.S. and overseas
that, you know, other people are not authorized to do. And
incur legal fees in terms of expenses to substitute for my
presence there, that I would say -- I would estimate it to be,
for a seven-week period, something along the lines of 500,
600K.
THE COURT: What do you do?
JUROR: I'm a managing director and counsel at an
investment bank.
THE COURT: So you're an attorney?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Well, an investment bank can certainly
afford to find a substitute for you.
JUROR: I'm not saying that they couldn't. I'm just
saying they could find a substitute, but my team consists of
much more junior lawyers. And those lawyers are unable to
provide the same type of review and produce the same type of
documents without going to outside counsel. As I'm sure you
know, your Honor, outside counsel is quite expensive, since
we're talking about exalted products, derivatives, very
structured. It would cost them quite a lot.
So just to give you an idea, even if you need like a
memorandum, a legal memorandum, and hopefully the lawyers here
can attest to that, or just a summary or even a due diligence
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questionnaire to produce in connection with a certain M&A
transaction, merger and acquisition transaction, your Honor,
just that would cost like around 250, 300K.
THE COURT: So you also mentioned that you have an
event abroad; is that correct?
JUROR: Yeah, it's the Europe 2024 event, your Honor.
THE COURT: Did you buy your tickets already?
JUROR: I did. I did.
THE COURT: All righty. You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: No. 19.
Is there any objection to my excusing him?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: We don't object, your Honor.
Just to note it's possible that the trial is completed
by that point. It's possible, to the extent someone's travel
or someone's reason for being excused is because they maybe are
going away, for example, for July 4th, to the extent we're not,
that would be, from the government's perspective, a good time
for an alternate juror to step in.
So we don't object to this particular juror; I just
wanted to note that as we move forward.
THE COURT: Understood.
No. 19 is excused.
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THE COURT: What is your number?
JUROR: 42.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: Yeah, so I——just for context, I work in the
financial——for a financial technology company. I have to do
travel for that company, specifically over a week during the
middle of this period, which is going to be very hard to get
out of that trip because that's visiting one of our largest
customers. So that's the primary issue.
THE COURT: What is your role at the firm?
JUROR: I'm a sales leader, so I work with some of our
largest customers, and it's critical that I meet with those
customers. We have some scheduled meetings already set up on
the West Coast, and if I don't attend those meetings, it's
going to cause some hardship for my team.
THE COURT: So if you were hit by a truck and other
people at the firm needed to fill in for you, couldn't these
meetings take place?
JUROR: I presume, yes.
THE COURT: Okay. So you're not completely
indispensable.
JUROR: I don't think anybody is.
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THE COURT: Okay. Is there anything else you wanted
to say?
JUROR: Specific to——
THE COURT: My question, the question that I posed.
Sounds like you have nothing further to say, so you
can step back. Thank you.
JUROR: Okay.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: He was No.?
MS. SHROFF: 42.
THE COURT: I see no reason to excuse him.
MR. FINKEL: No objection.
MR. KAMARAJU: No objection.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 32.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: So I work with the NBA, and right now it's
post season, and we tend to travel for our finals and playoffs,
and right after that I'm going to have a medical procedure
during the down time, so——
THE COURT: And when is that scheduled for?
JUROR: It hasn't been scheduled yet because——I don't
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want to get too detailed, but it's basically IVF, and that
basically turns on, like, how your follicles are growing, so
I'm going to try to start the procedure right when I get back
from traveling from finals, and then it could last anywhere
from three to four weeks, the procedure.
THE COURT: So are you saying that you have scheduled
it during this time because——
JUROR: Because my——because once the season ends, I
have about two or three months to kind of get everything in
order before the season begins again, September.
THE COURT: Okay. You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing her?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay. So that's No. 32.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What number are you?
JUROR: 31.
THE COURT: And your name, please?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I have two young children. I've organized
child care for the next two weeks after 5:00. I don't have it
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available to me after that time. It's just——I won't be able to
make it work with the numbers.
THE COURT: All righty. You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 31?
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. What number are you?
JUROR: 33.
THE COURT: And?
JUROR: Mine is, 24th through 27th, I have my cousin
coming in from the UK for a prepaid vacation, and I need
time——I need like a day to see if she can move it without any
penalties.
THE COURT: You're saying that you could contact her——
JUROR: If I have my phone, though.
THE COURT: During the lunch break you could try to
get ahold of her and see whether she can change her schedule.
JUROR: Well, can we move it. I might need till
tomorrow morning. Yes. That's when——
THE COURT: You're saying maybe by tomorrow morning
you would have an answer?
JUROR: Yes, yes.
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THE COURT: But it might even be sooner than that?
JUROR: If I can get my phone. 'Cause she's over in
London, so we've got the time change difference, so I just need
to know can she push it and are there any penalties associated
with it. Is that all right?
THE COURT: Okay. So you'll make that inquiry and
you'll come back to me.
JUROR: I will. Yes, I will.
THE COURT: All right. Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE LAW CLERK: Next one?
THE COURT: Yes.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. What number are you?
JUROR: 43.
THE COURT: Say again?
JUROR: 43.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: I'm a single mom. I have two children. I
have no financial help or no one to help me with them, so I
need to work.
THE COURT: Are you saying it would be a financial
hardship for you to——
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JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: ——be a juror?
JUROR: Yes. I have something else, but I don't know
if you want me to tell you now or wait.
THE COURT: Go ahead.
JUROR: When I was growing up, my father was in
federal prison for 20 years for some of the similar crimes, tax
evasion, insurance fraud.
THE COURT: Okay. Thank you. Thank you for telling
us. All righty. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing
No. 43?
MR. KAMARAJU: We'd love to keep her, your Honor, but
no.
THE COURT: Okay. Okay.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What's your number?
JUROR: 45.
THE COURT: And what's your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I've got three kids at home——a 2-year-old, a
4-year-old, and a 9-year-old——and my husband and I being their
primary caregivers, like, have coordinated our schedules to
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cover them, and then also the school calendar, and it doesn't
help that.
THE COURT: Understood. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 45?
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: 58.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I'm a physical therapist, and we're extremely
short staffed where I live, and ultimately my patients just
won't be able to get serviced for care for the next seven
weeks.
THE COURT: So who do you work for?
JUROR: Ivy Rehab.
THE COURT: And where is that?
JUROR: We have 600 locations, but I work in
Westchester, in the Harrison location.
THE COURT: So if you were hit by a truck, what would
happen?
JUROR: We would have——we would have an even longer
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wait list to get in for physical therapy, and patients,
unfortunately, would be in pain.
THE COURT: So essentially your exclusive concern is
the fact that you're short staffed.
JUROR: Mm-hmm.
THE COURT: Is that a yes?
JUROR: Yes. Sorry.
THE COURT: But if the facility was adequately
staffed, you would have no problem serving.
JUROR: Yeah, absolutely. I believe in servicing the
community in which I operate. This is what I wake up and do
every day.
THE COURT: You my step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: I don't see a reason to dismiss her.
MR. FINKEL: The government agrees.
MS. SHROFF: Honestly, your Honor, I can't tell the
difference between her or somebody else who couldn't be here
because they had child care issues. It's the same thing. I
mean——
THE COURT: No. You have an obligation to take care
of your children, and if your children aren't taken care of,
there's a safety concern there. But this is about somebody who
has a broken ankle and can't get the physical therapy within
the time period that they desire. They may have to go to a
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different physical therapist.
Okay. Let's have the next person.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What's your number?
JUROR: 60, your Honor.
THE COURT: 60?
JUROR: 60.
THE COURT: Your name, please?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I just graduated with my master's in software
engineering and I'm job searching, and I'm worried that the
time spent here would delay my finding a role at a company. So
the process is pretty lengthy. It requires a couple hours, two
to four hours usually of technical——technical assessments for
interviews at these companies, and so for each one, that's a
significant amount of time, plus prepping for these
assessments, plus actually applying to the roles and writing
cover letters. It's really a full-time job.
THE COURT: So what would happen if you simply could
not devote yourself to that during this time period?
JUROR: Well, I'm worried that I won't be able to find
a position as summer openings happen and it will delay my entry
into the field.
THE COURT: And if that happens?
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JUROR: I won't be able to move out of my parents'
house and go out and find an apartment, I won't be able to
start my career.
THE COURT: So this, you're saying, would disrupt your
plan to get a job within a certain time period and to move out
of your parents' house within a certain time period; is that
correct?
JUROR: Yes, ma'am.
THE COURT: All right. You can step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: I do not think that is a ground for cause
dismissal. Is there any disagreement?
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU: No.
THE COURT: Okay. Let's get the next one.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What number are you?
JUROR: 27.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: So I have been unemployed since the end of
January. I'm just now starting up a new job. Seven weeks
leaves me seven weeks almost no money, not enough to pay my
bills. Financial hardship probably would be too much for me.
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THE COURT: All right. So you'll step back. Thank
you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 27?
MR. KAMARAJU: No.
MR. FINKEL: No.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: What is your number?
JUROR: 28.
THE COURT: 28. And your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: It's going to cost me too much money to travel
for this.
THE COURT: Where do you live?
JUROR: Monsey.
THE COURT: So you're saying it's too expensive for
you.
JUROR: It's going to cost me a hundred dollars a day
traveling.
THE COURT: So what kind of transportation do you use,
sir?
JUROR: I take Monsey Trails, and then I get a taxi
here.
THE COURT: I'm sorry. I didn't understand. First
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you take what?
JUROR: A local community bus.
THE COURT: So there are buses that come from Rockland
County to the Port Authority, and then you could take a train
from the Port Authority downtown.
JUROR: I won't be able to——I got to take——I got to
take a cab to the bus.
THE COURT: Okay. And——
JUROR: And then the bus and the train.
THE COURT: Okay. So you're saying that the cab fare
from your home to the bus station——
JUROR: And then the bus station——
THE COURT: You're saying that that's too expensive
for you.
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Tell me your number again?
JUROR: 28.
THE COURT: Okay. You can step back. You can step
back.
JUROR: Leave?
THE LAW CLERK: No, sir. Go back to your seat. Thank
you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing
No. 28?
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MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: My number is 35.
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: I am a lawyer for the financial institution
AIG, and in all likelihood, on May 28th, it will be announced
that I get to retire, so that gives me between——that gives me
between May 28th and June 30 to clear out my docket, assign it
to other people, etc., etc. To not be here while I can do
that——June 30th will be my retirement date.
THE COURT: What is the nature of your work?
JUROR: I'm an in-house litigator.
THE COURT: And so if you were here as a juror, are
you saying that you would be distracted by this obligation to
clear out your docket?
JUROR: Yeah. I've got to assign——I've got to assign
the cases to other folks and I've got to close the matters that
I'm working on.
THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you, Judge.
(Juror not present)
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, I think you excused No. 35
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THE COURT: Yes. I forgot about that. Yeah.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: What is your number?
JUROR: 53.
THE COURT: What's the problem?
JUROR: Me and my husband are both from Czech
Republic, from Europe, and in June is my——end of June is my
father-in-law 80th birthday, and we were planning to visit, not
in June, but we're planning like early July. We don't have
yet, like, set-up date, but trying to coordinate with my
sister, with my sister-in-law, with my sister, with my——so
there's a lot of people that are involved, so we don't have the
set-up date, but we're planning early July, so——
THE COURT: All righty. Well, I hope you have a good
trip. You may step back.
JUROR: Yeah. Okay. The other——
THE COURT: It's fine. You can step back.
JUROR: Okay.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What number are you?
JUROR: 54.
THE COURT: What is your name, sir?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What is the problem?
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JUROR: If I don't work, I don't get paid on my job.
THE COURT: What do you do?
JUROR: I work for New York Power Authority security,
in White Plains.
THE COURT: So are you saying that this would be a
financial hardship?
JUROR: Big financial, yeah, but, you know, a big
financial.
THE COURT: Understood. You can step back.
JUROR: Okay. Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 54?
MS. SHROFF: No.
MR. FINKEL: No.
THE COURT: Wow. Seems like the line keeps on
growing.
THE LAW CLERK: We only put the first couple rows and
then the next couple rows, so we still have——
THE COURT: How are we doing numberwise?
THE LAW CLERK: I'll have to check.
(Next juror present at sidebar)
THE COURT: What is your number?
JUROR: Oh, 51.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
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THE COURT: If you would say that louder.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What's the problem?
JUROR: It's just really bad timing at work. I work
at an auction house and we have this big sale mid-July that if
I'm gone for the next seven weeks, I think it's going to be
really bad. I think they're going to get really mad at me.
THE COURT: What auction house do you work for?
JUROR: Phillips.
THE COURT: And if you were hit by a truck today,
somebody would be able to step into your role; isn't that true?
JUROR: Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm just——I know there's,
like, bigger problems, but it's just——there's——I think it
would——I think my boss would be really mad, and everyone else
too, but obviously, if it happens, it happens.
THE COURT: Okay. You can step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: All right. I don't see any reason to
excuse her.
THE LAW CLERK: The jury administrator wants to know
if and when we're breaking for lunch. There are apparently
some people who want to go out. We have 75 people downstairs
waiting.
THE COURT: Oh, the people downstairs can go.
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THE COURT: Hi. What's your number?
JUROR: 66.
THE COURT: And what's your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I have two issues. My work doesn't pay me for
the time off, and I can't afford to have seven weeks not
getting paid; and then I'm leaving for a two-week trip on
Friday.
THE COURT: So you're saying this would be a financial
hardship for you?
JUROR: Very much so, yes.
THE COURT: All right. You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 66?
MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What's your number?
JUROR: 65.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: Oh, XXXXXXXXXX. I have a family vacation
already scheduled. It's July 4th and we return back
August 24th.
THE COURT: And do you have plane tickets?
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JUROR: I can——when I have access to my phone, I can
forward them to you.
THE COURT: No. I'm saying you've scheduled the
flight.
JUROR: Yes, everything's been scheduled for.
THE COURT: All right. You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 65?
MR. FINKEL: The government objects. I think we'll be
done by July 4th, and if we're not, there will be an alternate.
MR. KAMARAJU: I don't think you can plan that way,
your Honor.
THE COURT: You gave me a certain time estimate, and
now you're kind of waffling, and so I don't feel comfortable.
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, I'm not waffling. Yesterday
I told the Court that we believe we'd certainly be done by
July 4th. That's still our belief. The defense case is,
according to yesterday's information, approximately four days.
The government's case, as we said yesterday, is four to five
weeks, trending towards four weeks. We'll be done by July 4th.
If we're not——
THE COURT: Well, you can make a representation we're
going to get it done by July 4th, instead of the wishy washy.
MR. FINKEL: So that is my belief, your Honor.
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THE COURT: Right. I need more than a belief in order
to make a schedule.
MR. KAMARAJU: Also, your Honor, we just told all
these people that it was going to be a seven-week trial.
THE COURT: No, that doesn't bother me. If he's now
willing to commit to being done by a certain day, then I have
the flexibility.
MR. FINKEL: So, your Honor, the only reason I can't
commit is because there are things outside my control——
THE COURT: Of course.
MR. FINKEL: ——including the defense case, the length
of cross. But if you're asking me for a good-faith
basis——good-faith estimate, does the government believe this
trial will be done by July 4th, yes, and to the extent it's
not, which I acknowledge is a possibility, the government's
view would be that at that point, if this juror makes it, an
alternate can take their place. So the government objects, but
of course understands it will be the Court's prerogative how to
proceed on this issue.
MR. KAMARAJU: We don't object.
THE COURT: You don't object.
MR. KAMARAJU: We don't object. We think the person
should be excused.
MS. SHROFF: I agree, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. I'm going to excuse that
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(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: 67.
THE COURT: What is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What is the problem?
JUROR: So three things. I've got personal trips
coming up, including this weekend, I leave on Friday, come back
on Tuesday. I have a business trip the following week. And
then the week of July 4th I'm gone as well on a family
vacation.
THE COURT: So do you have tickets already purchased?
JUROR: Yes, yes.
THE COURT: All right, sir. You can step back.
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THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 67?
MR. KAMARAJU: No.
MR. FINKEL: No.
THE LAW CLERK: You've got like 40 excused.
THE COURT: All right. We're still good. We've got
another 75 downstairs.
MS. SHROFF: I renew my application to let No. 12 to
go to work. He was no different than anyone else. That poor
guy.
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THE COURT: Hi. What is your number?
JUROR: 64.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What's the problem?
JUROR: I don't find it a problem, but I just realized
how long you said it would be, and I'm diabetic, so I know I
have at least four doctor's appointments during that time. So
I don't know if that's an issue. Also——
THE COURT: So we're going to be ending every day at
2:45, and so that does leave you time at the end of the day to
get to a doctor.
JUROR: So I could just change appointments or
something like that.
THE COURT: Correct.
JUROR: Okay. One more thing. I'm going away this
weekend and I won't be back till Wednesday.
THE COURT: Is that something for which you purchased
tickets?
JUROR: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
THE COURT: Flight?
JUROR: No, not flight, hotel. And they're going
to——if I don't, you know——if I don't go, they're going to
charge me a cancellation fee.
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THE COURT: I see. Okay.
JUROR: And it's only till Wednesday. So——
THE COURT: All right. You can step back.
JUROR: Okay. Thank you so much.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing her?
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: 55.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What is your last name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What is your problem?
JUROR: So I work for a temp agency right now, so I
got lucky, they gave me a long-term assignment, but they don't
pay out, like, jury duty things. They max three days. So then
seven weeks is a lot. And then since I do customer service,
they need people on the phone, so I don't know if my assignment
is being reassigned to somebody else, and I don't know, like,
what am I going to come back to?
THE COURT: So are you saying that this would be a
financial hardship for you?
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JUROR: Yeah. It's like I basically don't know if my
job is going to be there when I get back, 'cause, again, it's
like a temp agency, so——
THE COURT: Did you say 55 or 56?
JUROR: 55.
THE COURT: Okay, then. All right. You can step
back.
JUROR: Okay.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: No. 55, any objection to my excusing her?
MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: 57.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: So the week of June 22nd I have a wedding in
Cyprus.
THE COURT: So you have purchased tickets for the
wedding?
JUROR: Yeah. Nonrefundable.
THE COURT: Okay. Well, bon voyage.
JUROR: Thank you.
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THE COURT: Thank you. You may step back.
JUROR: Okay.
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MR. KAMARAJU: Great travel plans.
THE COURT: No objection to my excusing her, correct?
MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: 74.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I am going to Kabul, leaving tomorrow, coming
back Tuesday; and then the main one is the last week in June,
I'm going away with my family and my boyfriend's family, where
a certain question might be asked, knock on wood.
THE COURT: Oh. Understood. All righty. You may
step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
MR. KAMARAJU: Good luck with that.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: No objection to my excusing No. 74?
MR. KAMARAJU: None here, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No.
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MR. KAMARAJU: My wife would kill me.
MS. SHROFF: You would regret that.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: 72.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What is the problem?
JUROR: I'm moving out of the state in the next month
to go to grad school.
THE COURT: Where are you going?
JUROR: I'm between Georgetown and Duke, but I'll know
next week.
THE COURT: Great.
JUROR: I just don't think I can commit seven weeks.
THE COURT: What are you going to study?
JUROR: Business.
THE COURT: Okay. All righty. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 72?
MR. FINKEL: No.
MR. KAMARAJU: No.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 71.
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THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR: My name is XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I'm a self-employed physical therapist. It
would be extreme financial hardship——and I'm having to relocate
my business by July 1st, so it would put an end to my business
to serve now. I'm sorry.
THE COURT: All righty. Good luck.
JUROR: Thank you so much.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 71?
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. Your number, please?
JUROR: 63.
THE COURT: Your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: The problem is that I'm supposed to, I think
Thursday——that's the 28th of June——go away with my girlfriend,
and I was planning on actually proposing to her that week.
THE COURT: Oh.
JUROR: So it would be a pretty big bummer if I had to
change that.
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THE COURT: Good luck to you.
JUROR: Thank you.
THE COURT: You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: All right. Then no objection to my
excusing No. 63.
THE LAW CLERK: Is his girlfriend in the jury venire?
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: I'm juror 62.
THE COURT: What is your name?
JUROR: First name XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: Your full name.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: So I know that our trial is seven weeks. I'm
getting married at the end of June. I also have——my fiancée is
pregnant with my firstborn. Her first doctor's appointment is
tomorrow. I work full-time as a registered nurse. And I see
that this is going to be seven weeks, and it's just not——I'm
already distressed that I'm already going through this, and
so——
THE COURT: Understood. Understood. You may step
back.
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THE COURT: This makes me feel very optimistic.
No. 62, any objection to my excusing him?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: Nor us, your Honor.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Your number?
JUROR: 48.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: I'm a New York City DOE teacher. I work with
students with disabilities, and I just feel like seven weeks
being away from them is going to hinder everything they've
learned so far this year and for the rest of the school year.
THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 48?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: 61.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
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JUROR: I'm an independent contractor working in TV
production, and to do seven weeks would be really hard. With
the rerun strike last year, it's a hardship. And I have a job
starting up around June 10th. Seven weeks for us is a long
time.
THE COURT: This would be a financial hardship.
JUROR: Both financial and time. I'm a producer. I
hire the crews that go onto the films.
THE COURT: Okay. All righty. Thank you. You may
step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing 61?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. Your number?
JUROR: 56.
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: So I'm a self-employed photographer, career.
I could serve. However, I have two trips planned, first week
of June and last week of July, overseas, work related.
THE COURT: Are you saying that you've already
purchased the tickets for that?
JUROR: Yes.
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THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: The June, yes; not the July.
THE COURT: Okay. You can step back.
JUROR: Okay.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 56?
MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: And your number, please.
JUROR: 68.
THE COURT: 68. And your name.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I have booked a family vacation June 5th,
Wednesday, until June 8th, Saturday, flight to Atlanta and
hotel room.
THE COURT: Already purchased.
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: All right, then. You can step back.
JUROR: What does that mean?
THE COURT: You can go back to your seat.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: All right. Any objection to my excusing
No. 68?
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MR. FINKEL: Not from the government.
MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. So what I'd like to do is to
stop now and have them return so that we can continue at 2:00.
MR. FINKEL: Okay.
MR. KAMARAJU: Okay. Thank you, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: Thank you, your Honor.
THE COURT: It is now almost ten of 1.
ALL COUNSEL: Thank you, your Honor.
(In open court)
THE COURT: All right. So our work for the morning
has come to a close. You'll have to return to the courtroom or
rather to the hallway ready to come into the courtroom at
2 p.m. sharp. Some of you are going to be excused.
Mr. Steinberg is going to read the list of those who have been
excused. But the rest of you must return and be in the
hallway——not downstairs, not on the way to the courthouse, but
in the hallway by 2:00 ready to come back in.
One thing that you must be very conscientious about is
that you cannot discuss the case amongst yourselves or with
anyone else. Don't permit anyone to discuss the case in your
presence. The attorneys are not to have any contact with you.
So if you see them in the hallway or on the elevator, or
outside, and they don't look at you or they don't greet you,
it's not that they're being rude, it is that they simply are
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not permitted to have any contact with you.
So have a good lunch. Mr. Steinberg will now read the
list of those who are excused.
THE LAW CLERK: The following people are excused and
do not need to return after lunch. Please also obtain your
jury card from Mr. Shrinath on your way out. He is in the blue
suit and just raised his hand.
So the following jurors are excused: No. 25, No. 30,
No. 35, No. 36, No. 37, No. 44, No. 50, No. 59, No. 87, No. 91,
No. 93, No. 97, No. 53, No. 20, No. 1, No. 6, No. 9, No. 13,
No. 17, No. 18, No. 26, No. 19, No. 21, No. 23, No. 24, No. 27,
No. 28, No. 31, No. 32, No. 38, No. 39, No. 41, No. 43, No. 45,
No. 54, No. 92, No. 93, No. 66, No. 65, No. 57, No. 55, No. 74,
No. 72, No. 71, No. 63, No. 62, No. 48, No. 61, No. 64, No. 56,
and No. 68.
Jurors who have been excused, please get your card.
Everyone else may leave for lunch and return to the hallway
after lunch. Thank you.
Please be ready to go at 2 p.m. sharp. Thank you.
After you get the card, you should give it to the jury
administrator where you assembled this morning downstairs. To
repeat, after you get your card, please bring it to the jury
room where you assembled downstairs this morning. Thank you
again for your service.
THE COURT: So we started with 100, we are down 51,
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and we have another 75 downstairs. So I'm still optimistic
that we'll get our jury.
See you after lunch.
ALL COUNSEL: Thank you, your Honor.
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A F T E R N O O N S E S S I O N
2:15 P.M.
(Venire present)
THE COURT: Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome back.
For those of you who came on time and were ready to
walk into the courtroom at 2 p.m., thank you. For those of you
who are late, it's simply impossible to run a trial if I can't
depend upon you arriving promptly at the appointed time. So
please, please come on time; otherwise, everyone is waiting and
things are thrown off.
All right. Do any of you have any personal knowledge
of the charges in this case? Personal knowledge of the charges
in this case.
We are still not finished yet with the previous
question. So if you'll line them up, please.
(At sidebar)
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What's your number?
JUROR: 80, eight zero.
THE COURT: And your name please?
JUROR:
.
THE COURT: What's the problem?
JUROR: I don't have the finance to do this for seven
weeks. I get paid by the hour.
THE COURT: So you're saying it would be a financial
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hardship?
JUROR: I -- yeah. I don't think I have the money to
live, because I just graduated college, still paying student
loans. I couldn't do this seven straight weeks.
THE COURT: All righty. You can step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing him?
MR. FINKEL: No.
THE COURT: Is that eight zero?
MR. FINKEL: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What's your number?
JUROR: 75.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR:
.
THE COURT: What's the problem?
JUROR: My sister is getting married in Philadelphia
on Friday. I'm supposed to walk her down the aisle.
I'm also an attorney. I have two court appearances
coming up next month, one in a case in California; another one
over here in Queens. I could probably get somebody else to
cover it, but another member of my department is actually on
the Trump jury, which is kind of unfortunate.
And then I have a vacation planned the last week in
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June, the Jersey Shore. I could probably work that out. But
then we're booked -- my family is booked to travel to Italy the
following week.
THE COURT: And when do you leave for Italy?
JUROR: Saturday the 6th is it? Sorry, I don't have
my calendar on me. July 6th, I think.
THE COURT: And you have tickets already?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing him?
MR. FINKEL: No.
MR. SCHIRICK: No.
THE COURT: He was number?
MR. SCHIRICK: 75.
THE COURT: Okay.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What's your number?
JUROR: 76.
THE COURT: What's your name?
JUROR:
.
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: I have a planned family vacation on the 15th
of July.
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THE COURT: The 15th of July?
JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: Okay. So we're only going through the
12th.
JUROR: It could extend, your Honor.
THE COURT: Excuse me?
JUROR: It could extend. You said it yourself before.
THE COURT: Yes. I feel more confident than I did in
the morning that it will only go until the 12th. So no problem
for you then.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: Very good. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: I'm relying on you.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: What is your number?
JUROR: 89.
THE COURT: 89?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: My name is
.
THE COURT: What's the problem?
JUROR: I have a work-related problem. I am a partner
at Kirkland & Ellis in the investment funds group. I'm really,
really under water with some deals right now. And I don't
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think I'm in a position where I can be on a case for seven
weeks. I understand my civic duty; would be happy to come back
later this summer and do another trial. But I can't be in a
jury box for nine hours a day and then working 12 to 15 hours a
night for seven weeks. I can't do it. I wouldn't even be a
good juror.
THE COURT: So why wouldn't you be a good juror?
JUROR: Because I will be sleeping. I have an
unbelievable amount of work that I have to complete and I can't
do both at the same time. And I can't sub out my work.
THE COURT: Are you saying that you would be
distracted by your work obligations were you to serve as a
juror?
JUROR: Of course I would. And I also don't know that
I would have attention span, stamina, etc.
THE COURT: All righty. You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing her?
MR. SCHIRICK: None.
MR. FINKEL: No.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. Your number, sir?
JUROR: 95.
THE COURT: And your name again?
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JUROR:
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THE COURT: What's the problem?
JUROR: So I work for a bank.
THE COURT: Yes.
JUROR: And they don't have seven weeks of duration to
be able to serve as a jury duty. I think it's significantly
less than seven weeks.
THE COURT: Are you saying that they won't pay you?
JUROR: No, no. I check HR, check with HR. I think
the period that is allowed for jury duty is less than seven
weeks.
THE COURT: Okay. So there's a legal obligation to
serve as a juror no matter what your company might say.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: So my question for you is are they saying
they won't pay you?
JUROR: There is nothing about the pay. There's no
provision about the pay.
THE COURT: Okay. So they don't have a say in what
citizens' obligations are.
JUROR: Okay. And in addition, we just got examined
by Federal Reserve Bank of New York, and there are a lot of
objectives that we have to meet and a project. And it's a very
short duration right now, on top of all the other daily tasks
that I need to do. It goes by due dates.
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THE COURT: What bank do you work for?
JUROR: I work for Mizuho.
THE COURT: And does Mizuho have other employees?
JUROR: Yes, they do. It's just that the department
I'm in has specific due dates. And it's -- it kind of makes it
a little bit difficult for me to be able to not be in it.
THE COURT: So what happens if you get hit by a truck
today?
JUROR: I'm just saying it's just going to be -- it's
going to be a lot of on my part, I think, so just that explain
my situation, that's all.
THE COURT: So what I'm getting at is if you were to
disappear today --
JUROR: Right.
THE COURT: -- the bank would find somebody else to do
your job; isn't that right?
JUROR: That's true.
THE COURT: Okay. So then okay. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: I am not going to excuse him.
MR. SCHIRICK: No objection.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello.
JUROR: Good afternoon, ma'am.
THE COURT: Your number, please.
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JUROR: 96.
THE COURT: And your name, please.
JUROR:
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THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: I'm an educator, high school. And I have a
caseload. And it's about the end of the school year, and I
have to tie up my relationships with my students before they go
on, and my other compliance issues I'm responsible for at the
school.
THE COURT: You say you have a caseload. What is your
title?
JUROR: I'm a therapist. So I'm working with students
all the time.
THE COURT: Are you in the public school system?
JUROR: Yes, public school system.
THE COURT: Okay. All righty.
If you'll step back, please.
JUROR: Thank you, ma'am.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 96?
MR. SCHIRICK: No.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello.
JUROR: How are you?
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THE COURT: I'm well. How are you?
JUROR: I'm okay.
THE COURT: Would you tell me your number, please.
JUROR: 82.
THE COURT: 82? And your name, please.
JUROR:
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THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: What's the problem?
THE COURT: Yeah. You came to tell me something.
JUROR: Oh, okay. I am a nurse, okay. So it will be
very hard for me to lose seven weeks.
THE COURT: So are you saying because financially it
would be a hardship for you?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Would you be paid if you did not go to
work?
JUROR: No, I have to go to work.
THE COURT: Okay. All right. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing No.
82?
MR. SCHIRICK: No objection.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What number are you?
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JUROR: Juror 84.
THE COURT: And what's your name?
JUROR:
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THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: My employer, they only pay two weeks of jury
duty. So I'm afraid if I go to a seven weeks trial, I'm going
to have to get a pay cut of five weeks.
THE COURT: And so that would be a financial hardship
for you?
JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: All right. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing her?
MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.
MR. SCHIRICK: No.
THE COURT: She was 84?
MS. MURRAY: Yes.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 85.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR:
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THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I'm self-employed. I have a doggie daycare.
I'm a dog trainer. So I live in Westchester. When I come
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here, I have to close my business because I run it on my own.
So weekends and holidays are days that I'm free, but during the
week it's kind of hard for me to come.
And then the dates that you gave us, I do have dogs
that stay overnight, so I have to be home during the day
because I have no one to take them out. I have 15, 20 dogs
every day. And that's one of the reasons. If I have an
employer, then it's -- but I don't.
THE COURT: All right. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 85?
MR. SCHIRICK: No.
MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 86.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I take care of my niece when my sister is at
work.
THE COURT: I am sorry?
JUROR: I take care of my niece when my sister is at
work. It's financially hard for me to be out for seven weeks.
THE COURT: All righty. You can step back. Thank
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(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 86?
MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.
MR. SCHIRICK: No.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 98.
THE COURT: 98. And your name?
JUROR:
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THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: Three things, actually.
I have a publication deadline. I'm submitting a
chapter for a book that's due in August; I have a five-hour
daily commute; and I've got a chronic eye condition that makes
it harder for me to read the more tired I get. And I think
commuting here, you know, every day for seven weeks is going to
be exhausting.
THE COURT: Where do you come from?
JUROR: I live in Putnam County.
THE COURT: All right. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing No.
98?
MR. SCHIRICK: No objection.
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MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello.
JUROR: Hi.
THE COURT: What's your number?
JUROR: My number is 99.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR:
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THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: Well, I am still working. I'm semi-retired.
And on Mondays, I open the office. If the holiday falls on a
Monday, then Tuesday I open the office. And the length of time
and the fact that maybe a Monday I might have to not be
available for work, it causes me financial difficulties. I'm
semi-retired, I'm 76 this year, and I need the money.
THE COURT: Got it. Okay. You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you so much.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: All righty.
Any objection to my excusing No. 99?
MR. SCHIRICK: No objection.
MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 100.
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THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR:
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THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I have work travel planned for the middle of
June where I'll be out of the state for a couple days. I also
have a family member's and a friend's bachelor party scheduled
for July within the time frame of the trial.
THE COURT: So is the bachelor party during the day?
JUROR: I'd be leaving in the middle of the week, yes,
before the trial would end.
THE COURT: Where would you go?
JUROR: Up to Saratoga, New York. And then we're
traveling -- middle of June would be out of state to Michigan
for a couple days during the week in the middle of the week.
THE COURT: What do you do for a living?
JUROR: I'm a civil engineer.
THE COURT: And do you work for a company?
JUROR: Yeah, I do consulting for HTR. It's a
consulting company based out of New York. And we have a
program that's nationwide which involves some travel that I've
been doing for the past couple years.
THE COURT: So if you get hit by a truck today, is
somebody else in the company going to be able to do your work?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Yes. Okay.
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You said that the bachelor party is in Saratoga?
JUROR: Mm-hmm.
THE COURT: All right. So that's a very easy drive.
JUROR: Yes, but it would be, I guess, before the
trial would end.
THE COURT: What day of the week is the party?
JUROR: I'd be leaving on a Wednesday. It would be
July 10th I'd be leaving.
THE COURT: You're saying the party is on a Wednesday
as opposed to, say, a Friday or Saturday?
JUROR: Well, it's the whole weekend. I'm getting
there Wednesday night, the party's through the weekend,
Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.
THE COURT: There's something in addition to the
bachelor party?
JUROR: No, it's the entire weekend.
THE COURT: It's the entire weekend.
Okay. You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing him?
MR. SCHIRICK: No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. No. 100 is excused.
(Juror present)
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THE COURT: Hello.
JUROR: I was here before, No. 33.
THE COURT: Yes.
JUROR: We can't move the vacation without significant
penalties.
THE COURT: All right. I understand.
JUROR: We tried.
THE COURT: Thank you. Thank you for making the
effort.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: So No. 33, anybody object to my excusing
her?
MR. SCHIRICK: No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. What number are you?
JUROR: No. 3.
THE COURT: No. 3. And what is your name?
JUROR:
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THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: When I work with mentally and disabled
individuals, really it's for six weeks going to be
overwhelming. And I work at night, you know. And then plus I
don't have no kids of my own, but I assist with my family I
have to pick up from school. So I can't do it. It's going to
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be hard.
THE COURT: So are you saying with regard to your job
that --
JUROR: The job is going to be overwhelming for eight
weeks.
THE COURT: Overwhelming in what sense?
JUROR: Because we already short. The staff is short.
The staff, we are short already.
THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: And then personally my family, I have to pick
up my nieces and nephews from school.
THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: Because I work in the night.
THE COURT: What time do you pick up the children?
JUROR: I work at night. One finish at 2 -- 3:45.
THE COURT: Okay. You can step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: What number was that?
MR. SCHIRICK: Three, I believe.
THE COURT: All right.
So any objection to my excusing No. 3?
MR. SCHIRICK: No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. Your name?
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JUROR:
No. 52.
THE COURT: Go ahead.
JUROR: So my fear is being out of the field for work
for seven months -- seven weeks, forgive me. I train position
and operators to do cataract surgery. And the postponement of
seven weeks potentially, and my fear is I'm going to lose
business and I'll be out of a job. That's my fear.
THE COURT: So do you work for a company that gives
you a salary?
JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: And so are you saying they won't pay you
if you don't show up?
JUROR: What I'm saying is I don't know we're going to
have replacements for -- to provide support for these surgeons
to do the cataract surgery.
THE COURT: Who do you support, what institutions?
JUROR: ASCs and hospitals that do cataract surgeries,
such as me. And Gramercy. And we do cataract surgery there.
I provide support with the surgeons on there. If I'm not
there, they won't use our product; and I don't have any
replacement for me if I'm not there.
THE COURT: You're saying there's no one else who can
do your job?
JUROR: There's no one else in this territory that
would do my job. I cover New Jersey, Connecticut, Delaware,
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THE COURT: So if you get hit by a truck today, no
surgery?
JUROR: They won't use our product.
THE COURT: They'll use somebody else.
JUROR: They won't use our product.
THE COURT: Okay. You can step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing him?
MR. SCHIRICK: No objection.
MS. MURRAY: No.
THE COURT: He was number?
MS. MURRAY: 52.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. Your number, sir?
JUROR: 76. I was here before.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: The problem is I don't feel comfortable
between you telling me that you're going to finish on the 12th
and I have a flight on the 15th. I know you're super smart,
and I know that you have this whole case under control. But
the gap between the 12th and the 15 is very uncomfortable for
me, besides the financial strain that dragging this for more
than two or three weeks is going to take on my family.
THE COURT: So when you say financial strain, what do
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you mean?
JUROR: Well, you guys pay 60 bucks an hour, and I'm
going to be not paid for my job.
THE COURT: You're saying you would have to forgo your
salary, you would not be paid while you are here?
JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: All right. You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Okay. So any objection to my excusing
him?
MR. SCHIRICK: No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: And he's number?
MS. MURRAY: 76.
THE COURT: Okay. All righty.
Looks like that's it. Let's go back.
(In open court)
THE COURT: Does anyone have any personal knowledge of
the charges in this case?
All right. Please step up.
(At sidebar)
(Juror present)
THE COURT: What number are you?
JUROR: 12.
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THE COURT: And what knowledge do you have about this
case?
JUROR: So I likely read it in
The Wall Street Journal
that -- so the knowledge I have is that he was or had a strong
relationship with Steve Bannon. I think his ultimate goal was
to take down the communist regime in China. And that he
defrauded, I believe it was, a billion dollars or so from
investors or was, you know, alleged to have defrauded about a
billion dollars from investors. And that, you know, Steve
Bannon has a close relationship with Trump, so it was all in
the -- I guess
The Wall Street Journal
and the papers that I
read.
THE COURT: So many of us read The Wall Street
Journal
.
JUROR: Right.
THE COURT: And it's not -- it doesn't surprise me
that you may have had heard about the case. And so the first
question is can you put aside what you have read and come into
the court with an open mind and listen to the testimony of the
witnesses, review any documentary evidence, follow my
instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: I believe so, yes.
THE COURT: What do you mean you believe? This is a
yes-or-no question.
JUROR: Yes. Yes, I mean -- yes.
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THE COURT: Yes?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay. You also mentioned that the matter
had something to do with Steve Bannon. You mentioned the
former president.
JUROR: Right.
THE COURT: Does that have any bearing on your point
of view about this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: You don't have any biases for or against
Mr. Bannon or Mr. Trump?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: I see no reason to excuse him.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. What number are you?
JUROR: I am 40.
THE COURT: 40.
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And your name, please.
JUROR:
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THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: That I have heard about the case before from
some friends in the nonprofit that I work in with the Himalayan
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Farmers Network. Apparently there was some confusion between
the farmers alliance and the Himalayan Farmers Network. So I
had known about the case before.
THE COURT: And could you tell me a little bit about
the network.
JUROR: Sure. They grow orange-fleshed sweet
potatoes, which are a primary source of vitamin A, which
prevent childhood blindness, which is a big issue in Nepal and
the rest of the Himalayas.
THE COURT: Okay. So agriculture is unrelated to this
case.
JUROR: Understood.
THE COURT: They are two different, very different
subject matters.
JUROR: Understood.
THE COURT: So is there anything about the fact that
there may have been some confusion that would prevent you from
being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: Probably.
THE COURT: Why?
JUROR: Because there are people who work very, very
hard to improve people's lives under the name of the Himalayan
Farmers Network. And we have someone with a very similar name
who steals from people, doesn't sit well with me.
THE COURT: So first of all, these are only charges.
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JUROR: Understood.
THE COURT: We have seen no evidence thus far, and
Mr. Guo is presumed innocent.
JUROR: Understood.
THE COURT: And he cannot be found guilty until a
unanimous jury finds him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
So right now if we were to have a vote of the people
in this room, they would have to vote not guilty because of the
presumption of innocence and the burden on the prosecution.
So can you put aside whatever you may have heard about
the defendant or his activities, and come into the courtroom
with an open mind, listen to the testimony of the witnesses,
review the documentary evidence, follow my instructions on the
law, and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: I could try.
THE COURT: It's a yes-or-no question.
JUROR: And so I would say no.
THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: She was number?
MS. MURRAY: 40.
THE COURT: And I am going to excuse her.
MR. SCHIRICK: No objection.
MR. KAMARAJU: Just to make the record clear.
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(Juror present)
THE COURT: Sir, your number?
JUROR: 42.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR:
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THE COURT: And what is the issue?
JUROR: So on a professional level, and there's part
on a personal level.
On a professional level, I've been involved in
financial technology companies, including the Chinese company,
over the past 20-plus years. My current company also is
involved in crypto.
So on a personal level, I've been investing in crypto
space for the past eight years; it's sort of a family-related
business now. And just in terms of the content of the case and
my ability to be impartial, I have concerns.
THE COURT: So cryptocurrency has become very popular
among Americans — actually globally.
JUROR: Yup.
THE COURT: And so why would you have these concerns?
JUROR: Yeah. So, I mean, I know about a lot of
compliance-money-laundering-related issues that have happened
both on a professional level and on a personal level. I feel
like I'm too close to what's been going on in this space over
the last almost decade for me to be able to judge the facts in
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an impartial way.
THE COURT: So numbers of people have knowledge about
cryptocurrency and other financial matters. And the question
is can you put aside your knowledge and come into the court
with an open mind and listen to the witness testimony and
review the documents, follow my instructions on the law, and be
a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: And your question is?
THE COURT: My question was can you put aside your
knowledge about the subject matter and your feelings about the
subject matter, and come into the court with an open mind and
listen to the witness testimony, review the documentary
evidence, follow my instructions on the law, and be a fair and
impartial juror?
JUROR: Honestly, no.
THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Was he 42?
MR. SCHIRICK: Correct.
THE COURT: All right. So I am going to dismiss him
for cause.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 47.
THE COURT: And your name, sir?
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JUROR:
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THE COURT: And what is the issue?
JUROR: When I came into the room, I recognized the
man accused and one of the lawyers. I seen the case in the
news. And I don't have much details about the case, but that's
the knowledge I have from hearing the case in the news.
THE COURT: So this case has been in the news. So it
doesn't surprise me that you may have seen something or heard
something or read something.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: The question is, can you put aside
whatever you have heard or seen and come into the courtroom
with an open mind and listen to all the evidence in the case,
hear the witnesses, review the documentary evidence, follow my
instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: So I work as an assistant property manager in
the city and -- building in Sutton Place in Midtown East. And
there's a lot of high-profile residents, diplomats, people from
all over the country.
And there have been certain scenarios of few residents
who have not paid rent on time because they either trying to
wire the money to America from their country and they use it as
an excuse not to pay rent.
I do have another case of residents where they have --
they're being sued for fraud and we are trying to evict them
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because they haven't paid rent either.
So it would be hard for me to not take the case a
little bit personal, since I always involve into like those
residents or I have -- you know, going after those residents
for them to pay rent. So I don't know if I would be able to be
transparent or impartial.
THE COURT: So this is not a case where Mr. Guo is
accused of failing to pay rent.
JUROR: Right. I understand. Yeah.
But I do have residents who have been accused of fraud
and as a consequence of that. I've been involved in like their
not being able to pay rent. So I'm involved with -- very
familiar with lawyers in their cases trying to get them to pay
rent and leave.
THE COURT: And you can't put aside these particular
cases, your experience with these particular cases, and come
here with an open mind?
JUROR: I could, but it's something I do every day and
it's hard for me, like, not to judge the people that -- at
least the people live in my building. They are wealthy or the
high profiles. And there's always this money involved when it
comes to like, you know, get away with things sometimes. So --
THE COURT: Are you saying that you come in with a
negative feeling already toward Mr. Guo?
JUROR: Not personally to him, but to people who tend
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to be rich or have high profiles.
THE COURT: But he is the only person here on trial.
It's not a trial against the class of rich people. And so the
question is can you look at him as an individual and be fair
and impartial to him?
JUROR: Not after what I see on TV.
THE COURT: All right. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: He's 47?
MS. MURRAY: Yes.
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing him for
cause?
MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.
MR. SCHIRICK: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: That's it? Okay.
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(In open court)
THE COURT: Is there anything about the nature of the
charges in this case that would prevent you from being a fair
and impartial juror?
The government is represented here by the United
States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Damian
Williams. This trial will be in the immediate charge of
Assistant United States Attorneys Micah Fergenson, Ryan Finkel,
Justin Horton and Juliana Murray. They will be assisted by
paralegals Michael Gartland, Isabel Loftus, and Jeffrey Mearns.
Please stand and face the jurors.
The defendant in this case is Miles Guo.
Mr. Guo, please stand and face the jurors.
Mr. Guo is represented by his attorneys, Sidhardha
Kamaraju, Sabrina P. Shroff, Matthew S. Barkan, and E. Scott
Schirick. Mr. Kamaraju and Mr. Barkan are with the law firm of
Pryor Cashman LLC; and Mr. Schirick is with the law firm of
Alston & Bird. They will be assisted by paralegal Ruben
Montilla, attorneys Daniel Pohlman, John Kilgard, Clare Tilton,
James Beall, and Jorge Salazar of Pryor Cashman, and also been
involved in Mr. Guo's defense.
Please stand and face the jurors.
Do any of you know Mr. Guo or any of the other
individuals that I have just identified?
Have you, your family members or close friends, had
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any personal or business dealings, directly or indirectly, with
any of these individuals, including the defendant?
Have any of your relatives or close friends had any
association or business dealings with any member of the staff
of Pryor Cashman LLP or Alston & Bird?
The gentleman -- if you would please give him the
microphone. Sir, what number are you?
JUROR: 75, your Honor.
THE COURT: All righty. And your dealings with --
JUROR: I had a case against Pryor Cashman about seven
or eight years ago. Different attorneys. I don't know them.
And to my knowledge, I last had contact with them five years
ago or so.
THE COURT: And you're an attorney; correct?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: You may be seated.
And the next individual? What number are you?
JUROR: 89.
THE COURT: And what is the issue?
JUROR: Similar to the gentleman in front of me. I
just happen to know some attorneys at Pryor Cashman from law
school or just from the legal community in New York. I don't
know these individuals.
THE COURT: All right. You may be seated.
Anyone else?
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I'm going to read the names of potential witnesses in
this case, as well as other individuals whose names may be
mentioned during the trial.
After I read the list, the number of names, I'm going
to ask whether you are familiar with them.
Aaron Mitchell, Adalberto Cattabriga, Alex Soltani,
Alex Hadjicharalambous, Alexandra Gale, Amin Shams, Amy Buck,
Ana Izquierdo, Andrew Zitman, Anthony Alecci, Anthony
Debatista, Anthony Martinez, Ava Chan, Baorong Liu, Bin Guo, BJ
Pendergast, Bo Collins, Bruce Frederick, Chelsea Grady, and
Chingwa Wang.
Do any of you know any of these individuals or have
your family or close friends had any dealings, directly or
indirectly, with any of those people?
I'm going to continue now with the list of names.
Christina Schatz, Christine Frosini, Christine Li,
Courtney Benitez, Crystal Wang, Damon Lope, Daniel Podhaskie,
Darren Blanton, Darren Loos, David Lasky; Defeng Cao, also
known as Wayne; Doaa Dashoush, Ehsan Haque, Ehsan Mahsud,
Elaine Dellapia, Elliot Broidy, Erica Buonocore, Erin McNamara,
Fay Fay, Gabriela Luciano.
Do any of you know or have any of your family members
or close friends have any dealings, directly or indirectly,
with any of those people?
I'm going to continue with my list of names.
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Giacomo Mattioli, Gladys Chow, Haidong Hao, Haitham
Khaled, Haley Richins, Haoran He, Ho He, Hongfei Guo, Isabel
Despins, Jamie Wilson, Jammy Tam, Janie Du, Jason Miller, Jenny
Li, Jeremy Tempkin, Jesse Brown, Jessica Mastrogiovanni,
Jessica Volchko, Jian Peng, Jianhu Yi.
Do any of you know or have any family members or
friends who've had dealings, directly or indirectly, with any
of those people?
I'm going to continue.
Jieyu Bian, John Morgan, Joseph Hugdahl, Juliana
Lister, Justine Atwood, Karin Maistrello, Katherine Miles,
Katrina Laperuta, Kelly Noh, Kevin Ma, Kin Min "William" Je,
Kit Addleman, Kyle Bass, Lan You, Le Zhou, Lee Chu, Limarie
Reyes Molinaris, Lin Chao, Lonny Soza, and Louie Bonsoukan.
Do you know or have any of your family members or
close friends had any dealings with any of these individuals,
directly or indirectly?
Continuing with my list.
Lu Zhu, Luc Despins, Madeleine Despins, Maggie Sklar,
Maggie Murphy, Marios Mamzeris, Mark Williams, Marvin James
Sawyer, Matt Smith, Mateo Gandini, Matthew Pottinger, Max
Krasner, Mei Guo, Melissa Baccari, Melissa Francis, Melissa
Mendez, Meng Tong Zang, Minran Wu, Na Zhou, and Nicholas
DiMarino.
Do any of you know or have any of you or your family
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members or close friends had any dealings, directly or
indirectly, with any of those individuals?
I'm continuing with my list.
Nickie Lum Davis, Nicole Torres, Nicole Tsai, Nina
Peng, Olivia Sebade, Paolo Sozzi, Patrick Chin, Patrick York,
Paul Doran, Paul Hinton, Prakazrel Michel, Priya Patel; Qiang
Guo, also known as Mileson; Qidong Xia, also known as Long
Island David; Rachel Campbell, Rachel Cartwright, Ray Dragon,
Robert Stout, Robin Mokhtar, Ross Heinemeyer.
Do any of you know or have you or any of your family
members or close friends had any dealings, directly or
indirectly, with any of those people?
I'm continuing with my list.
Ruizheng An, also known as "Ryan" and "Crab"; Russell
Stockil, Ryan Sears, Sam Roberts, Sara Wei, Scott Barnett,
Shamel Medrano, Simon Je, Sophia Chen, Steele Schottenheimer,
Steve Bannon, Steve Weber, Tedroy Wilson, Tom Bishop, Tom
O'Leary, Una Wilkinson, Victor Cerda, William Kumpf, Xiaobo He.
Xiaoke Min.
Do any of you know or have you or your family members
or close friends had any dealings, directly or indirectly, with
any of those people?
I'm continuing with my list.
Ya Li; Yanping Wang, also known as Yvette; Yangping
Liu, Yi Shing Lee.
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THE COURT: YinYang Wang, also known as Aila.
Yongbing Zhang, Zachary Effting. Zhaoying Ye. Zhengqiao Du.
Do any of you know any of those people or have you or your
family members or close friends had any dealings directly or
indirectly with any of those people?
The witnesses in this case may include one or more of
what is known as an accomplice, or cooperating witness, a
person who has admitted to participating in crimes related to
the indictment, as well as other crimes. Is there anything
about the fact that cooperating witnesses may testify in this
case that would prevent you from being a fair and impartial
juror?
I will now read the names of potential businesses or
entities that may be mentioned during the trial. ACA Capital.
Armanino. Bank of Princeton. Bitgo. Brioni. Dallas
Lamborghini. Eastern Profit. Ferrari Beverly Hills. Freedom
Media Ventures. G Bank. G Clubs. G Coins. G Fashion. G
Mall. G Media. G Music. And G News. As well as Gettr,
Golden Spring, and Greenwich Land. Do any of you know or have
any of your family members or close friends had any dealings
directly or indirectly with any of those entities?
Sir, what is your number?
JUROR: 78, your Honor.
THE COURT: 78? And what is it?
JUROR: Which entity?
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THE COURT: Yes.
JUROR: Bank of Princeton.
THE COURT: What is your relationship to the Bank of
Princeton?
JUROR: I work for a separate bank, but there's
participation loans between the two banks.
THE COURT: You work for a bank and sometimes there
are participation loans——
JUROR: Well, there is a participation loan between
the two banks. I'm not aware of any other relation, but
there's a specific loan that I've been working on together with
Bank of Princeton.
THE COURT: So in the course of your work you deal
with a number of different entities; is that correct?
JUROR: Yes, yes. I work for a different bank, and
this is a participation loan with the Bank of Princeton.
THE COURT: Just the fact that you may have a business
relationship with the Bank of Princeton, is that going to
prevent you from being a fair and impartial juror if the Bank
of Princeton is mentioned in this trial?
JUROR: No. No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Do you think you can be completely
impartial if the Bank of Princeton comes up?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: Do you think you might have a bias in
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favor of the Bank of Princeton because your business is doing
business with the Bank of Princeton?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Would you have a bias against the Bank of
Princeton because of that?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. You may be seated.
Anybody else?
Do any of you know or have any family members or close
friends had any dealings, directly or indirectly, with any of
these entities: GTV; H Coin; Hamilton Investment; Hayman
Capital; HCHK Property Management; HCHK Technologies; Himalaya
Exchange; Himalaya Farm Alliance; HR Owen; Hudson Diamond;
Jovial Century; Jumio; Maywind; mBaer Bank; Mercantile Bank;
Mountain of Spices; New Federal State of China (NFSC); NexBank;
OSC (Orbit Service Company)? Anyone know or have any family
members or close friends that have had dealings with those
entities, directly or indirectly?
I'm going to continue with my list.
Passione Rossa. Phaxis. Post Oak Motors.
Promemoria. RH Southeby's. Rule of Law Foundation. Rule of
Law Society. Strategic Vision. Taurus Management. Voice of
Guo. Voice of Good. Anybody know or have any family members
or friends who have had dealings, directly or indirectly, with
any of those entities?
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The events in this case took place at or around 188
East 64th Street in Manhattan; 19 Houhai Beiyan, Xicheng
District, Beijing, People's Republic of China; 20 South Bay
Road, Repulse Bay, Hong Kong; 3 Columbus Circle in Manhattan;
373 Taconic Road in Greenwich, Connecticut; The Crocker Mansion
at 675 Ramapo Valley Road in Mahwah, New Jersey; Pangu 7 Star
Hotel in Beijing, Chaoyang, Beijing, 100101 in People's
Republic of China; and the Sherry-Netherland Hotel, Fifth
Avenue, Apartment 1801, New York, New York. Anyone familiar
with these locations?
Do any of you know or have any of you or your
relatives or close friends had any association or business
dealings with any member of the staff of United States
Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, the
Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Securities and Exchange
Commission (or SEC), or the Department of Homeland Security?
Have you, a family member——I'm sorry. Oh. What is
your number?
JUROR: 89.
THE COURT: And what have your dealings been?
JUROR: Oh, just there are a number of former SEC
employees that I work with directly on a daily basis. I don't
know if that counts.
THE COURT: All right. You may be seated.
JUROR: Thank you.
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THE COURT: Have you, a family member, or close friend
ever been employed by any federal, state, or local law
enforcement agency, or the justice system? Oh, there's an
additional person over there. What is your number, please?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor. 98. The late Bill Pauley,
Judge Bill Pauley married me, six years ago.
THE COURT: He presided over your wedding.
JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: Okay. Thank you.
JUROR: 75, your Honor. Formerly employed by the U.S.
Attorney's Office for the Western District of Virginia. It was
within law school though, so I wasn't employed, but I was trial
practice certified.
THE COURT: All right. Thank you.
JUROR: I'm No. 11. My sister works for the federal
government.
THE COURT: Your assistant?
JUROR: My sister.
THE COURT: Your sister.
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And what does she do?
JUROR: She's an ALJ with the Department of Health and
Human Services, your Honor.
THE COURT: And is there anything about her job that
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JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Considering that your sister is employed
by the federal government, would that cause you to side with
the government in this case?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Would it cause you to have a bias against
the government?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Would it cause you to side with the
defense?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Would it cause you to have a bias against
the defense?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Anyone else? What is your number?
JUROR: 95. My younger brother is a prosecutor in
Long Island.
THE COURT: In the state?
JUROR: In——I think he's in Mineola. I don't think it
is state. I'm not too sure on that one.
THE COURT: Is there anything about your relationship
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with your brother or his work that would prevent you from being
a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: Not really.
THE COURT: Because your brother is a prosecutor,
would that cause you to side with the prosecution in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you be against the prosecution?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Would you have a bias against the defense?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Would you be for the defense?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Anything that would prevent you from being
a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Anyone else?
JUROR: My daughter used to work at the New York City
Department of Investigation, in particular for the New York
Police Department, but she's now working for a different
department for the city.
THE COURT: So is your daughter a lawyer?
JUROR: No. Well, she does analysis for New York City
Department of——
THE COURT: And your number again, sir?
JUROR: No. 4.
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THE COURT: Okay. So is there anything about your
daughter's work at any of those divisions that would prevent
you from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Considering that she works for the
government, would that make you side with the government in
this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you be against the government?
JUROR: No. I would be fair.
THE COURT: You would be fair. Okay. I'm asking you,
would you have a bias against the government?
JUROR: No, no.
THE COURT: Would you have a bias in favor of the
defense?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you have a bias against the defense?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Anything that would prevent you from being
a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Anybody else?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Your number, please.
JUROR: No. 15. My sister works for the U.S.
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Department of State.
THE COURT: Okay. So considering that she works for
the federal government, is there anything about her job or your
relationship with her that would prevent you from being a fair
and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Would you favor the government because
your sister works for the government?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Would you be against the government?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Would you have a bias against the defense?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: A bias in favor of the defense?
JUROR: None.
THE COURT: Anything that would prevent you from being
a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Your number, please.
JUROR: No. 60, your Honor. My father was an
auxiliary police officer with the NYPD.
THE COURT: All righty. Is there anything about his
job that would prevent you from being a fair and impartial
juror in this case?
JUROR: I believe it may bias me towards the side of
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the police department, if that was the question, ma'am.
THE COURT: So would you agree with me that in every
profession, there are those who are competent and who have
integrity and then there are those who are incompetent and who
lack integrity, in every profession?
JUROR: It depends on what we would describe as a
profession.
THE COURT: Every job. There are those that do their
job competently and with integrity and then there are those who
don't.
JUROR: There are jobs that are inherently bad or
immoral, in my opinion.
THE COURT: So let's just stick with being an
auxiliary police officer. Do you consider that to be a job
that can be characterized as a positive contribution to
society?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: But would you agree that there are some
who take on that role who may not be good at it?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: And there may be some who lack integrity
when they carry out their duties; is that correct?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. So knowing that there are good
apples and bad apples, would you have a bias in favor of a law
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enforcement official who is on the witness stand?
JUROR: I would think that the majority would be good,
so that seems to be a bias.
THE COURT: So you're saying you would give any law
enforcement witness the benefit of the doubt.
JUROR: Yes, ma'am.
THE COURT: Okay. You may be seated.
Who else?
JUROR: Juror 69. My daughter currently works for the
Connecticut State Court System as a court reporter, recorder.
THE COURT: She's a stenographer?
JUROR: No, recorder. So she has electronic means and
she sits in trials and records and transcribes.
THE COURT: In the same way that this very competent
individual is doing?
JUROR: Perhaps. It looks very similar.
THE COURT: All right. Okay. Is there anything about
her job that would prevent you from being a fair and impartial
juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: And it would not interfere with your
ability to come into the courtroom with an open mind?
JUROR: No, it doesn't.
THE COURT: Okay, then. You may be seated.
Have you or any family member, individually or in the
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course of business, ever been a party to any legal action or
dispute with the United States or any offices, departments,
agencies or employees of the United States, or have any
interest in any such legal action or dispute or its outcome?
Your number, sir?
JUROR: Juror 76. I do tax preparation. I constantly
fight with the IRS.
THE COURT: You can distinguish between the IRS and
other departments of the government, right?
JUROR: Certainly.
THE COURT: Okay. Anybody else?
Does anyone have any bias, prejudice, or other strong
feelings for or against United States Department of Justice,
United States Attorney's Office, or any law enforcement agency?
Have any of you read, heard, or seen anything in the
newspaper, on the internet, or on TV about this case? And I
address this question to those who have not already answered
the question. And in answering the question, I don't want you
to disclose the contents of what you may have heard.
JUROR: Okay. Juror 89. I've read some internet
articles about the case.
THE COURT: Okay. You may be seated.
JUROR: I wouldn't say that I——your Honor, juror 78.
I wouldn't say that I actually have——saw the details of the
case, but just standing outside, I heard associations about the
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case, just loud, on the megaphone. I didn't know about it
before this morning, your Honor.
THE COURT: When you say standing outside, what do you
mean by that?
JUROR: With the megaphone, there was just
something——something comparing this to another case.
THE COURT: Are you saying that you exited the
courthouse and you heard something?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay. And without stating what you
heard——
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: ——does that have any impact on your
ability to be a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: So you understand that here in the United
States we have freedom of speech.
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: And we can praise or criticize individuals
in public, right?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: That's right. And so given that precious
freedom, that does not mean that what someone says is
necessarily going to influence you; is that correct?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
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THE COURT: That's right.
Okay. Who else?
This trial will likely generate media attention. Will
each of you follow my instruction that you should absolutely
avoid reading, watching, or listening to media reports
concerning the case, including coverage of the case on social
media, like Facebook, Twitter, blogs, etc., until after the
case is over?
THE JURORS: Yes.
THE COURT: Is there anyone who cannot follow that
instruction?
Will each of you follow my instruction that you may
not research or talk about the case with other people until the
case is over?
THE JURORS: Yes.
THE COURT: Is there anyone who will not follow that
instruction?
As I mentioned, during the trial you will hear
evidence concerning alleged racketeering, an alleged
racketeering conspiracy involving wire fraud, securities fraud,
bank fraud, and money laundering. Will the nature of the
charges affect your ability to render a fair verdict?
Have you or anyone close to you been involved in any
proceedings involving the U.S. Securities and Exchange
Commission?
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Have you or anyone close to you filed for bankruptcy
or been involved in a bankruptcy proceeding?
JUROR: Juror 79. My girlfriend is a restructuring
attorney.
THE COURT: Did you say your girlfriend is a
restructuring attorney?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: So your girlfriend is involved in
assisting clients who need to restructure their debt; is that
correct?
JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: And would that have any impact on your
ability to be a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Anybody else?
Do you or anyone close to you have strong views about
the Chinese government or the Chinese Communist party?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor. There's been a lot of news
about their treatment of the——I believe it's Uyghur people.
Also, the political situation with Taiwan is very concerning
for the future, as the situation with Hong Kong was a few years
ago.
THE COURT: Counsel, would you step up, please.
(At the sidebar)
THE COURT: So I suspect that any number of people may
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have strong feelings about the Chinese government or the CPC.
What line of questioning do you want me to pursue?
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, we would ask if people have
strong feelings, if they want to——I think it would be
appropriate to deal with those feelings at sidebar, since there
could be a wide range of things that could be relevant to the
trial or irrelevant to the trial. That would be government's
view.
THE COURT: So this individual, for example, what
would you want me to ask him? He said he's not happy with
Taiwan, he's not happy with the Uyghurs. What else?
MR. FINKEL: This individual I think should be struck
for cause because he has a bias in favor of law enforcement.
THE COURT: Yes, we know that already. But there may
be somebody who comes along who says something similar about
the Chinese.
MR. FINKEL: I think it should be explored and I think
that it should be asked of him whether what he's heard he can
put out of his mind so that he can focus on the evidence or
lack of evidence that is introduced at this trial, render a
fair and impartial verdict based on what he sees and hears at
this trial, and follow your instructions.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, I think every government
summation I've ever heard is, use your common sense, don't
leave it at the door. His common sense would include the bad
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acts of the Communist Party of China, so I think it's kind of a
tight balance here asking somebody to set aside——so maybe,
before the person——actually, I think he's the only one who may
have raised his hand, so——
THE COURT: I'm not going to bring him up because
we've already decided——
MS. SHROFF: I don't know if there's anybody else.
THE COURT: I think there might be another person.
MS. SHROFF: Oh, there might be?
THE COURT: I'm just trying to understand what it is
that you want me to get at.
MR. KAMARAJU: Personally, I would just ask, whatever
their feelings are about the Chinese party, can you be fair and
impartial in this case, in the same way you would ask about any
other——
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, the government's concern is
that part of their defense I think is that Mr. Guo is fighting
against the Chinese Communist party, and if a juror may not
decide on the facts of this case and just decide that this is
an individual who's fighting against the Chinese Communist
party, they would be sympathetic to him, that would mean
someone who's not fair and impartial. That's what the
government's concern is.
MR. KAMARAJU: I think your Honor can address that by
asking, can you be fair and impartial.
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THE COURT: I'm not going to bring up the defense.
MR. KAMARAJU: No, certainly not, your Honor. I would
simply say: Whatever your feelings are about the Chinese
Communist party, can you be fair and impartial about your
verdict in this case? That's all.
THE LAW CLERK: Judge, there's someone else who wants
to talk about the duration of trial. He just missed the
question.
THE COURT: Okay. So if you'll have him come up.
THE LAW CLERK: Judge, also, Juror No. 60, I think
he's already been struck.
(Juror present at sidebar)
THE COURT: Sir, what is your number?
JUROR: 73.
THE COURT: What's your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What is the problem?
JUROR: Now I didn't go——I didn't go up here earlier
about the duration issue so I wanted to hear what, you know,
the case is about, like that, but now that I think this is
going to be a long trial and I'm a——I work in the finance at
Columbia University, and this is the end of the fiscal year and
I'm heavily involved with the closing. If the trial——
THE COURT: The closing of what?
JUROR: The books, accounting books. So if the trial
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is going to be every day, that affects me.
THE COURT: But when you're away from your job at
Columbia, you're still receiving 100 percent of your salary,
aren't you?
JUROR: I do.
THE COURT: And if you got hit by a truck today,
they'd find someone else with your skills to fill in your
position; isn't that right?
JUROR: That's correct.
THE COURT: Okay. So you can be absent from your job.
JUROR: Okay. But what I'm saying is what I do right
now, in this situation, nobody does it except me.
THE COURT: Right. But that doesn't mean that someone
else——
JUROR: I know. Nobody is indispensable.
THE COURT: Yes.
JUROR: Yes. I'm just saying my concern.
THE COURT: I understand you're saying that this may
be your specialty.
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: I bet Columbia University has tremendous
resources and it can identify other people who may not be as
good as you are but who may approximate your skills and
talents.
All right. You may step back.
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THE COURT: I'm not going to excuse him.
THE LAW CLERK: On 60, the conversation about the
police officer was while he's standing up over there, and I
think we had a conversation at sidebar.
THE COURT: So No. 60, the young man who was talking
about his father being an auxiliary police officer, do we agree
that he should be struck for cause?
MR. FINKEL: Yes, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay.
(In open court)
THE COURT: Is there someone else responding to the
last question? Okay.
JUROR: Juror 81, your Honor.
THE COURT: What number is that?
JUROR: Juror 81.
THE COURT: Yes. Go ahead.
JUROR: I'm a member of the military reserves, and
they've been telling us about potential conflict with China,
but that's pretty much——
THE COURT: Okay. So I imagine that they must tell
you that we need to prepare to deal with any number of
different countries; isn't that correct?
JUROR: Yes.
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THE COURT: Okay. So the fact that they may have
mentioned China, would that prevent you from being a fair and
impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Do you have any particularly strong
feelings about China?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. You may be seated.
You may hear testimony about or from former senior
members of the Trump administration, including Steve Bannon and
Peter Navarro. Do you have any strong views about advisors to
former president Donald Trump, including Steve Bannon and Peter
Navarro, that would prevent you from being a fair and impartial
juror in this case?
All right. Please step up.
(At the sidebar; juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What's your number?
JUROR: 11, your Honor.
THE COURT: What did you want to tell me?
JUROR: To be truthful, I don't trust them. I don't
trust Steve Bannon. Those are my——
THE COURT: So——
JUROR: Just in terms of what I've read in the news.
THE COURT: So there may be things in the news about
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individual generally. It's only with respect to this case.
And so what a juror has to do is to come in with an open mind
and listen to the evidence in the case, listen to the
witnesses, review the documents, follow my instructions on the
law——
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: ——and not concern themselves with things
they've heard outside the courtroom.
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: Can you do that and be a fair and
impartial juror?
JUROR: I don't think so, your Honor, to be very
honest.
THE COURT: Why not?
JUROR: I've just been following a lot of the news
over the past four years, and his beliefs are not my beliefs,
and that's pretty much how I feel about that, your Honor.
THE COURT: I understand that maybe his politics are
different from your own.
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: But the question is: Can you, knowing
that you disagree with him——you can disagree with a person,
right? I'm sure that you have family members or friends where
you strongly disagree with them.
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
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THE COURT: But does that make you unable to be fair
and impartial towards them?
JUROR: No, your Honor. I understand the question.
THE COURT: You can be fair and impartial in this
case?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
MR. KAMARAJU: Your Honor, she's clearly struggling
with that answer. She said no initially. Obviously your Honor
brought up the family member analogy and that brought her
around, but she very clearly, from my perspective, said that
her feelings about Steve Bannon, who is going to come up in the
trial in connection with the businesses here, she doesn't trust
him, she doesn't think he's honest, so I don't think there's
any way that she should not be excused for cause.
MS. SHROFF: Also, your Honor, the fact pattern is
such that Steve Bannon is standing, according to the
government's evidence, next to Mr. Guo, making a political
announcement. If she actually said, I simply don't trust
Bannon, she's obviously going to——the obvious context is, it's
in the very context in which she doesn't trust him, and her
words were, "I don't think so, your Honor, to be honest." She
only came around because the link was to a family member, whom
you have to like whether or not you disagree or not. Family,
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you're stuck with.
THE COURT: So what context do you understand that
Mr. Bannon is going to come up, if you feel comfortable telling
me that?
MS. SHROFF: I don't know. It's the government's
proof. They can——
THE COURT: I don't know. I don't know if you're
bringing him up. I don't know.
MS. SHROFF: No. The government is going to bring him
up, not us.
THE COURT: The only thing I know about Mr. Bannon and
Mr. Guo is that Mr. Bannon was arrested on his yacht. Is there
more to it than that?
MR. FINKEL: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay.
MR. FINKEL: There's more to it than that. Just to be
transparent, of course, to the Court, the government views
Mr. Bannon as a co-conspirator in this case. What's at issue
here is whether or not this juror can be fair and impartial.
As defense counsel both pointed out earlier, everyone brings
their own sort of common sense and biases to any interaction
they have. And what matters, which is key for the Court, your
Honor, is when you asked her, can you be fair and impartial,
can you place what you know out of the courtroom outside of
your mind and base your decision only on the witnesses and the
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evidence you hear in this case, and she said yes. So if they
want to strike her as a peremptory, they're free to do that.
MS. SHROFF: That's not what happened. She said, "No,
I don't think so, your Honor, to be honest." Then the Court
analogized and asked about the family structure. Then she let
out——and I wrote down on my card a big sigh, and she stopped.
So I do not think that that is correctly characterized.
THE COURT: Let's bring her back.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: I expect that Stephen Bannon will come up
in this case, and you expressed disagreement with his political
views.
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: Knowing that he will come up in the case,
can you put aside your negative views toward him——I understand
that you have them, but put them aside and be a fair and
impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: You may step back.
(Juror not present)
MR. KAMARAJU: We renew our objection, your Honor.
MR. SCHIRICK: Only because I've been recently
reviewing some of the government's exhibits, one of the
government's summary exhibits that they plan to introduce very
early on for one of the early witnesses very prominently has
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Steve Bannon on videos with his speaking by association with
Mr. Guo and the Rule of Law Foundation. So right up front
we're going to have to confront this issue where Mr. Bannon is
speaking essentially on behalf of the defendant.
THE COURT: Okay. Could you read back to me my
question and her answer.
(Record read)
THE COURT: All right. I believe that I have
rehabilitated her and so I am not going to dismiss her for
cause.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, Stephen Bannon isn't just
going to come up. The evidence that she's going to be
receiving is that Miles Guo and Stephen Bannon jointly put
forward a political movement, right, and she has said she
distrusts that. So at the very least could the Court ask her
that if there was evidence linking the defendant to Mr. Bannon,
would she still be fair and impartial towards the defendant,
while she's judging him? It's not a by line that Steve Bannon
is——the way the question comes up is, Steve Bannon's name will
come up. Sure, his name may come up. Then we wouldn't have
this argument. But he's closely aligned. There's a lot of
testimony that comes out about Steve Bannon here.
THE COURT: What I asked her to assume is that he is
involved in this case. That's what I said. And I'm
acknowledging that she has a bad impression of Stephen Bannon,
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and she has said she can still be fair. I'm not going to
dismiss her for cause.
Could we have the next person.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. What is your number?
JUROR: 16.
THE COURT: And your name, please.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What is the issue?
JUROR: I think I would find it difficult to be
impartial given that there might be Trump administration
individuals involved in the case.
THE COURT: So you feel that you have a bias for or
against people who are affiliated with Donald Trump?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: So if I told you that there are
individuals who are involved in the case who are associated
with Donald Trump, knowing that now, could you set aside
whatever your feelings are, good or bad, can you set them aside
and come into the court with an open mind, listen to the
evidence of the case, hear the witnesses, review the
documentary evidence, follow my instructions on the law, and be
a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: I could. I just don't know that I would
believe what they're saying is true. So even though I could
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listen to your instructions and try to follow them, I don't
know that I would feel that I could trust the testimony they
gave as inherently true, just——
THE COURT: So I understand you to say that you have a
bias against people involved with Donald Trump; is that
correct?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: All right. I think that she should be
dismissed for cause.
MR. KAMARAJU: Thank you, your Honor.
THE COURT: No. 16, is that correct?
MS. SHROFF: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right, then.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: No. 15.
THE COURT: Yes.
JUROR: 15.
THE COURT: And your name, please.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What's your last name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the issue?
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JUROR: I'm not sure I can trust the testimony of
Steve Bannon.
THE COURT: So I'm not saying that he necessarily will
be testifying in this case. What I'm saying is that he will
come up. He is an involved individual. And so it sounds to
me, when you say that you cannot trust him, that you have a
negative viewpoint of him.
JUROR: I think he's a vile human being.
THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: Sorry.
THE COURT: Is that because of the political views
that he has expressed?
JUROR: No. It's more as a woman. I just find him to
be despicable.
THE COURT: Okay. I understand you have negative,
intensely negative feelings about him.
JUROR: Thank you for acknowledging that.
THE COURT: But the question is, can you, knowing that
you have these feelings, put them aside and come into the
courtroom with an open mind, listen to the witnesses testify,
review the documentary evidence, follow my instructions on the
law, and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: Yes, I do think I can do that.
THE COURT: Excellent. You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
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MR. KAMARAJU: We're going to object. I understand
her answer, but just so I can make the record, she referred to
Steve Bannon as a "vile human being." Steve Bannon is the
reputed chairman of GTV and he's involved in the Rule of Law
Foundation. He's in a video with Mr. Guo. He's going to be
all over the case. And to have a juror who views him as, to
use her term, a "vile human being," regardless of her answer——
THE COURT: Would you feel the same if she said that
he was a saintly individual?
MR. KAMARAJU: Well, obviously I would take a
different perspective, but I think they would object, your
Honor, and on the same basis.
THE COURT: But an individual can be conscious of
their feelings, good or bad, and still set them aside. She has
said that she can set them aside. I do not believe she should
be dismissed for cause.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, maybe if you could just ask a
clarifying question whether or not she could judge Mr. Guo
fairly if she heard testimony that Mr. Guo and Mr. Bannon were
in business together? That's the question I would ask.
Because the government's evidence is going to show they're hand
in hand for months at a time, the government is going to allege
that Mr. Guo bought Mr. Bannon a house, the government is going
to allege, literally, that he's a co-conspirator. So if a
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despicable human being is in a chain with you and you're a
woman——and, you know, as a woman, I have my own issues with
Mr. Bannon, but I'm just saying, it's not that Bannon's name is
going to appear. It's that Bannon and Mr. Guo are going to be
linked by the government. So the government's proof is that
they're in business together. Then would you be able to be
fair to Mr. Guo? That's the question. It's not a peripheral
appearance by Mr. Bannon. So if it was Donald Trump, yeah,
that's a peripheral appearance because Bannon——I mean, Mr. Guo
and Donald Trump don't stand on a yacht together announcing the
Rule of Law Foundation or doing anything else. They're
actually——the evidence is, they are together.
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, the key fact about the
interaction with that prospective juror is, the Court asked
her, can you be fair and impartial, despite your prior opinions
on Mr. Bannon. She emphatically said yes. That's all that
matters. That's what matters.
MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.
MS. SHROFF: That's not all that matters, actually.
THE COURT: I'd like to bring her back.
(Juror present)
JUROR: Hi.
THE COURT: Beforehand, you used the words "vile" and
"despicable" to describe Mr. Bannon.
JUROR: Yes.
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THE COURT: And I asked you whether you could set
aside your negative feelings and come into the court with an
open mind and listen to the evidence in this case and follow my
instructions on the law and be fair and impartial. You
answered yes.
JUROR: If he's not on the witness stand. I said that
before that I don't know if I could believe his word.
THE COURT: Right. Okay. So let us assume that he's
not going to be on the witness stand but that there will be an
allegation that he has a business relationship with the
defendant. Can you set aside your negative feelings about
Mr. Bannon and come into the courtroom with an open mind and
listen to the evidence of the case, follow my instructions on
the law, and be a fair and impartial juror, knowing that that
is an allegation?
JUROR: That he has a business dealing with the
defendant.
THE COURT: Correct.
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Very good. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
MR. KAMARAJU: We made our record. We're going to
renew our objection.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Your number, please.
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JUROR: 40.
THE COURT: And your name.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: The question was, do I have an issue with
Steve Bannon or former Trump officials?
THE COURT: Yes.
JUROR: Yes, I would have a hard time believing
anything Steve Bannon said.
THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
MS. SHROFF: Didn't we let her go already?
THE COURT: Yes, we did.
(Next juror present)
JUROR: I'm juror 47, your Honor.
THE COURT: Yes.
JUROR: I just have a——against Trump, political views
against Trump and Steve Bannon, and I don't think I would be
able to be partial in this case.
THE COURT: Okay. Thank you for coming forward.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: We've already excused him.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: What is your number?
JUROR: 52.
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THE COURT: Your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And the issue, please?
JUROR: And the issue is more when you mention Trump,
it just triggers the reaction. I can't in full conscience say
I will be without prejudice with the mentioning of Steve
Bannon. I would like to think I would, but I——I can't be.
THE COURT: I appreciate your candor. You may step
back.
(Juror not present)
MS. SHROFF: He was already struck, right?
THE COURT: Yes, he was.
MS. SHROFF: Thank you.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 88.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what would you like to tell me?
JUROR: All I know about Mr. Guo at this point is that
he gave Steve Bannon a yacht to live on for two years, and I
think that's——I think that's accurate. And I would not really
be able to trust anything Mr. Bannon said.
THE COURT: So if I tell you that Mr. Bannon is not
going to be a witness in this case but the prosecution alleges
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that Mr. Bannon and the defendant had a business relationship——
JUROR: Yeah.
THE COURT: ——can you set aside whatever feelings that
you have based on things you've heard outside of the courtroom?
Can you set those feelings aside, come into the courtroom with
an open mind, listen to the evidence in the case, hear the
witness testimony, review the documentary evidence, follow my
instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: I would do my best.
THE COURT: Well, I need a yes or no answer.
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
MR. KAMARAJU: We're going to object, your Honor, that
he's not being struck for cause. What he said was he couldn't
trust——he couldn't trust anything that Steve Bannon said. The
government's allegations are going to involve things that Steve
Bannon said, that they claim are false. What the juror says is
that he can't trust anything, he doesn't know anything about
the evidence, but a juror who says that——
THE COURT: All right. Let's bring him back.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. I believe that you said that
you would not be able to trust Steve Bannon if he was a
witness; is that correct?
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JUROR: Correct. Correct.
THE COURT: Okay. So I expect that the government is
going to put forth statements made by Mr. Bannon during the
case, and so my question for you is, can you still put aside
these negative feelings that you have about Mr. Bannon and
knowing that his statements may be part of this trial, can you
come into the courtroom with an open mind and listen to the
evidence in the case, listen to the witnesses, follow my
instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Very good. Step back.
(Juror not present)
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What's your number?
JUROR: No. 60.
THE COURT: Okay. Go ahead.
JUROR: If Steve Bannon's testimony is involved, I
can't trust a word that Bannon said. I can't——I think he's a
cheat and a liar. He and Cohen and Flynn and Trump himself and
the rest are despicable, so——
THE COURT: Thank you for your honesty. You may step
back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: He's already been excused.
MR. FINKEL: Yes. He's really been trying so, so
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(Next juror present)
JUROR: 89.
THE COURT: And your name, please.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: Yes. Go ahead.
JUROR: I have to be honest. It's been a minute. The
question is that Steve Bannon is going to be a witness,
potentially?
THE COURT: Not that he would be a witness but that he
is involved in the case. There's an allegation that he has a
business relationship with the defendant.
JUROR: Okay. So my political leanings are not
particularly——what's been going on over the last eight years
would lead me to have a bias against Steve Bannon. I don't
know how that would affect my view of his testimony. I would
try to be unbiased, but I can't promise that.
THE COURT: Thank you for your candor. You may step
back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: She's already been excused.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. Your number, please.
JUROR: 42.
THE COURT: And your name.
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JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: Go ahead.
JUROR: So given my sort of preconceptions of one of
the individuals you mentioned, I would have a difficult time.
THE COURT: Which individual?
JUROR: Steve Bannon.
THE COURT: So you have strong feelings about
Mr. Bannon?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: You don't need to tell me whether they're
favorable or unfavorable.
JUROR: Yup.
THE COURT: But I expect the prosecution to allege
that he had a business relationship with the defendant. And
knowing that, could you put aside whatever feelings you have
towards him and come into the court with an open mind, listen
to the witness testimony, review the documentary evidence,
follow my instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial
juror?
JUROR: In all honesty, no.
THE COURT: All right. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number, please?
JUROR: 46.
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THE COURT: And your name.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And the last name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: Okay. And what would you like to tell me?
JUROR: About bias for Steve Bannon, right?
THE COURT: Yes.
JUROR: I wouldn't trust anything he would say under
oath if he were a witness.
THE COURT: So he's not going to be a witness.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: I expect that the government is going to
allege that he had a business relationship with the defendant.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: And so you said that you couldn't trust
him. Essentially you're expressing negative feelings toward
him. But the question is, can you put aside, can you push away
those negative feelings and come into the courtroom with an
open mind and listen to the witness testimony, review the
documentary evidence, follow my instructions on the law, and be
a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: I would think with my feelings, my bias, it
might be a little more heavy, honestly.
THE COURT: Understood. Understood. Tell me your
number, one more time.
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JUROR: 46.
THE COURT: Thank you very much.
JUROR: All right. Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: So I am going to dismiss 46 for cause.
MR. FINKEL: No objection.
(Next juror present)
JUROR: 75, your Honor. XXXXXXXXXX. I'd have a tough
time, given the credibility of either of those two people you
mentioned.
THE COURT: All right. Understood. You may step
back.
JUROR: Okay.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: He's already been——
MR. FINKEL: Yeah.
MR. KAMARAJU: Yeah.
THE COURT: Yes.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What's your number?
JUROR: Juror 94.
THE COURT: And your name.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the issue?
JUROR: I don't believe I could be a fair——hearing the
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testimony from Bannon.
THE COURT: So I would not expect Mr. Bannon to
testify.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: I expect that the government is going to
say that he had a business relationship with the defendant.
And so could you put aside these feelings that you have
developed about Mr. Bannon up till now, can you put them aside
and come into the court with an open mind, listen to the
witness testimony, review the documentary evidence, follow my
instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: I would do my best.
THE COURT: So I need a yes or no answer.
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Okay. Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: What number is that?
MS. SHROFF: 94.
THE COURT: 94. So I will excuse her for cause.
(Next juror present)
JUROR: 95.
THE COURT: One moment, sir. One moment.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: All right, sir. What is your number?
JUROR: 95.
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THE COURT: Your name again?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What is the problem?
JUROR: So this is——this is an issue with the Trump
administration. So I believe with all the misinformation, they
divided the country to an extreme. And I believe you
specifically mentioned Steve Bannon. I remember him being on
TV where they had Trump, former Trump, Donald Trump having
personal, physical contact with Steve Bannon, and the
negative——given my negative opinion on Trump, that is my
feeling on that.
THE COURT: You're saying that you have negative
feelings toward Trump advisors?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: So the question is, well, first of all, I
don't expect Mr. Bannon to be a witness in the case. But I do
expect that the prosecution will allege that he had a business
relationship with Mr. Guo. And so the question is, can you put
aside these negative feelings that you have developed and come
into the courtroom with an open mind and listen to the witness
testimony, review the documentary evidence, and follow my
instructions on the law and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: I'll definitely give it a try, but the thing
is, I cannot view him as an honest person because he definitely
did contribute a lot toward the Donald Trump——former election
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of Donald Trump, president Trump. I mean, I have no idea
whether he is a——I have no idea. But if he is here as a
witness and if I'm hearing him, I cannot give a hundred percent
confidence that I'll completely trust.
THE COURT: So he's not going to appear as a witness.
JUROR: Okay, okay, okay.
THE COURT: The allegation is that Mr. Guo has
business dealings with him.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: And so he will be mentioned.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: And the question is whether you can put
aside your negative feelings about him that you come into the
courtroom with now.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: And you can be aware that you have these
negative feelings, but push them aside and come into the
courtroom with an open mind, listen to the witness testimony,
review the documentary evidence, and be a fair and impartial
juror.
JUROR: I'll definitely try.
THE COURT: Okay. You can step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: He's number what?
MR. FINKEL: 95.
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JUROR: I'm going to dismiss him for cause.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: No. 98? Your name, ma'am.
JUROR: Yes, my name is XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: Go ahead.
JUROR: I find the previous administration's sense of
alternative facts to be the root of a significant threat to
American democracy; I find Mr. Bannon to be as repugnant a
human being as you can find; I think that he's a liar, that
he's a master manipulator, probably a thief; and I can't
imagine any evidence that would change my mind about that.
THE COURT: Thank you for your candor. You may step
back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
(Next juror present)
JUROR: Good afternoon.
THE COURT: You're No. 22? And your name, sir.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: Okay. And what would you like to say?
JUROR: Yes. I think my concern is really about Steve
Bannon. I happen to listen to the news a lot, and I personally
don't like his position when it comes to race matters, his view
on people like me. So whatever he has to say, really, I don't
really find anything positive coming out of him. So him——with
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that in mind, him as a witness would——I think it would——it will
impair or affect my judgment of anything he has to say.
THE COURT: So he will not be appearing as a witness.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: The government alleges that Mr. Bannon had
a business relationship with Mr. Guo.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: And so there will be statements made by
Mr. Bannon, but he is not going to be present in the courtroom.
And so the question is, can you put aside these negative
feelings that you already have about him, can you put them
aside, come into the courtroom with an open mind, listen to the
witness testimony, review the documentary evidence, follow my
instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: Those are the concerns that I would try to
work on, but I will work on it is what I can say standing right
here. I would try to work on it. I can't give a definite yes
or no, right now, just because of those feelings.
THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.
JUROR: Okay.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: He's 22? I'm going to excuse him for
cause.
MR. KAMARAJU: Your Honor, we were just going to ask
if you would ask a specific question with respect to statements
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from Mr. Bannon as part of the government's proof with jurors
11 and 16.
THE COURT: If you'll have 11 come back.
MS. MURRAY: 16 was struck.
MR. KAMARAJU: Oh, 16 was struck? Then obviously——
MS. SHROFF: No. No. You have the wrong number then.
MR. KAMARAJU: 15, your Honor. I apologize.
MS. SHROFF: 11 and 15, your Honor. I'm sorry.
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MR. FINKEL: The government has no objection to the
additional question about the statements. I think really the
heart of the matter is whether the jurors can be fair and
impartial or whether they would associate that because the
defendant had a business relationship with him, they couldn't
be fair and impartial and they couldn't put that out of their
mind. That's really the inquiry.
MS. SHROFF: It's not just a business relationship.
The government is going to argue that they were on a yacht
together for days and weeks at a time; that he lived with
Bannon and Guo, they lived together; Guo gave him a ton of
money; Bannon joins in his political movement.
We're not talking about a business relationship where,
you know, to a bank, I lent him ten grand and then he didn't
pay my ten grand back. There's a business relationship, and
then there's Guo and Bannon. And that is going to come from
the government. They are going to put that forward.
MR. KAMARAJU: Just to be specific, the particular
part of the business relationship are businesses that the
government alleges to be part of the racketeering enterprise,
so GTV, the Rule of Law Foundation. So it's not sort of an
esoteric relationship.
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, really what they're getting
at is whether the juror — and this is a fair question, whether
the juror would associate Mr. Bannon -- the mere association
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between the two of them would tend to make the juror have a
bias against the defendant, find against the defendant. That's
really the question. And if the answer to that is yes, I think
the government wouldn't object to cause.
THE COURT: All right. We'll have her come in.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. I had mentioned before that
Mr. Bannon is not going to be a witness. But the government
alleges that there was a business relationship between Mr. Guo,
the defendant, and Mr. Bannon.
Is the fact that they had this relationship going to
cause you to be biased against Mr. Guo?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: You can be a fair and impartial juror
despite that?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: Please step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: I'm going as far as I'm going to go.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello again.
JUROR: This is very nerve-racking.
THE COURT: I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
You're number again?
JUROR: 15.
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THE COURT: Okay. So I had mentioned before that
Mr. Bannon is not going to be testifying.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: What is alleged is that the defendant,
Mr. Guo, and Mr. Bannon had a business relationship. The fact
that the government will allege that they had a business
relationship, is that going to cause you to be biased against
Mr. Guo, the defendant?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: You can be fair and impartial?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: All righty. Please step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is that it?
THE LAW CLERK: Yes, Judge.
THE COURT: Okay.
(In open court)
THE COURT: Do you have any strong views about
cryptocurrency that would prevent you from being a fair and
impartial juror?
All righty. If you'll step up please.
(At sidebar)
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there.
JUROR: Hi there.
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THE COURT: And what is your number?
JUROR: 99.
THE COURT: Okay. What did you want to tell me?
JUROR: Well, I never care for the whole idea of
cryptocurrency because I felt like who do they think they are,
trying to change the American gold standard? And so it turned
me off. And I thought that it was just some kind of ripoff,
the people, kind of falsehood.
THE COURT: Okay. Thank you for your candor.
All right. You may go back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: We can go back.
MS. SHROFF: Okay. Thank you.
Your Honor, are we going till 5 today, straight
through?
THE COURT: Oh, yes, yes, yes.
MS. SHROFF: I just want to know if you're going to
take a bathroom break.
THE COURT: I'm not going to take a break unless one
of these potential jurors asks me.
MS. SHROFF: All right. Then I'll just grin and bear
it.
(In open court)
THE COURT: Is it your opinion that the actions
charged in the indictment as I have described them should not
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be crimes or should not be prosecuted by the government?
Have you been involved as a defendant, victim,
witness, or in any other way in any prosecution for fraud or
money laundering?
The defendant is charged with acting with others in
committing the alleged crimes. Some of those other individuals
are not on trial in this case. You may not draw any inference,
favorable or unfavorable, toward the government or the
defendant from that fact. You also may not speculate as to the
reason why other persons are not on trial.
Would any of you have any difficulty following this
instruction?
Have you, a family member or close friend, ever been
involved or appeared as a witness in any investigation by a
federal or state grand jury or by a congressional or state
legislative committee, licensing authority or governmental
agency?
Have you, a family member or close friend, ever been
questioned in any manner by a federal, state, or local law
enforcement agency, including the FBI?
Your number please?
JUROR: 76.
THE COURT: Okay. And what happened?
JUROR: I tried to be an FBI agent when I was about 21
years old and I went through the whole process.
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THE COURT: Okay. Thank you for letting me know.
Anybody else? Your number?
JUROR: 15. I have numerous friends and family that
work for the federal government. And one or two of them, I was
interviewed by the FBI as part of their security clearance.
THE COURT: So you essentially were a reference for
those individuals?
JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: Is there anything about that experience
that would cause you to be biased in favor of or against either
party in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Anybody else?
Have you, a family member or close friend, ever been a
witness or a complainant in any hearing or trial, whether
state, local, or federal?
JUROR: No. 10. I was a witness probably 25 years
ago. And I worked in retail for shoplifting cases, but that's
about it.
THE COURT: And what court did you appear in?
JUROR: Queens, Queens County Court.
THE COURT: And is there anything about that
experience as a witness in a shoplifting case that would
prevent you from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
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THE COURT: Did you witness the shoplifting?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Would that make you favor the government
in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you be biased against the
government?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would it make you favor the defendant in
the case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you be biased against the defendant?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Are you, a family member or close friend,
under subpoena or, to your knowledge, about to be subpoenaed in
a criminal case?
Have you, a family member or close friend, ever been
charged with a crime?
Have you, a family member or close friend, ever been
the subject of any investigation or accusation by any grand
jury, federal or state? If you'll step up, please.
(At sidebar)
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: 16.
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THE COURT: And what did you want to tell me?
JUROR: My grandfather was accused of fraud and
assault by a partner. And he was put in jail briefly. I don't
think it was -- he was ever fully charged. But he -- he was
put in jail because of assault towards her, and she accused him
of fraud. Social Security fraud, I think.
THE COURT: All righty. Thank you very much.
(Juror not present)
(In open court)
THE COURT: Anyone else? Okay.
Have you, a family member or close friend, ever been
the victim of a crime?
Go ahead. Your number?
JUROR: 89. I was mugged.
THE COURT: All righty. Thank you for letting me
know.
Who else?
JUROR: 52.
THE COURT: No. 52. You're saying that you were
mugged; is that correct?
JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: Who else?
JUROR: No. 58. My car was stolen.
THE COURT: No. 58. Your car was stolen.
And so when did that happen?
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JUROR: About ten years ago.
THE COURT: And where was that?
JUROR: In Brooklyn.
THE COURT: Did you report that to the police?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Did you get the car back?
JUROR: I did. Not in good condition, but, yes.
THE COURT: Were you satisfied with the way the police
handled the case?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Is there anything about that experience
that would cause you to be biased against the defendant?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you favor the defendant?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you be biased against the
government?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you favor the government?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Who else?
JUROR: My sister was recently shot.
THE COURT: I'm so sorry to hear that. Is she okay?
JUROR: She is alive, but "okay" would be stretching
it.
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THE COURT: Very sorry to hear that. And I hope that
she recovers.
Who else?
JUROR: I was mugged twice.
THE COURT: And what number are you?
JUROR: Oh, 88. Sorry.
THE COURT: And when did those muggings happen?
JUROR: Probably 20, 25 years ago.
THE COURT: Was that here in New York?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And did you report the muggings?
JUROR: Yes. Well, one I reported one -- no, I
reported both of them.
THE COURT: And was anybody held accountable?
JUROR: Well, the perpetrator of the second mugging
was arrested for a much worse mugging. And he was held
accountable for that. I don't know what happened to my case.
THE COURT: And the first matter was not dealt with at
all?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Okay. So given that you were mugged twice
and no one was held accountable for those muggings, would that
interfere with your ability to be a fair and impartial juror in
this case?
JUROR: No.
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THE COURT: Anybody else?
JUROR: 16. My boyfriend was mugged a couple of
months ago.
THE COURT: Thank you for telling me.
One moment.
JUROR: Hello. No. 42.
THE COURT: And what happened?
JUROR: I had money removed from my bank account on
two occasions by an illegal -- by somebody else who shouldn't
have been doing that.
THE COURT: Who else?
JUROR: No. 90. My home was burglarized.
THE COURT: And where was that?
JUROR: In Westchester County.
THE COURT: And was anybody held accountable?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: And when did this happen?
JUROR: 2015.
THE COURT: You reported it to the police?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Were you satisfied with the way the police
handled the case?
JUROR: Yes, but we lost a lot of things.
THE COURT: So considering that, your house was
burglarized, you lost possessions, no one was held accountable,
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would that cause you to have a bias against the defendant in
this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you have a bias against the
government in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you be biased in favor of the
defendant?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Biased in favor of the government?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Anyone else?
Have you ever served on a jury or grand jury in
federal or state court? What number?
JUROR: 76.
THE COURT: And when was that?
JUROR: I would say about 20 years ago.
THE COURT: Okay. Who else?
JUROR: 75. A grand jury here in the Southern
District about six or seven years ago.
THE COURT: Who else?
JUROR: Juror 77. Like four or five years ago, here.
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THE COURT: Here in this courthouse?
JUROR: No, it was state.
THE COURT: It was state court?
JUROR: Yeah.
THE COURT: And was it a civil or criminal case?
JUROR: Criminal.
THE COURT: And without telling me the verdict, did
you reach a verdict?
JUROR: Partial. Not all the counts --
THE COURT: Did the jury reach a unanimous verdict on
at least one count?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay. Given your experience in state
court, is there anything that would prevent you from being a
fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Who else?
JUROR: Number 88. I've been on civil and criminal in
New York state and also federal court.
THE COURT: In what county?
JUROR: Manhattan, New York.
THE COURT: And the criminal cases that you were on,
did they reach a verdict?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay. And the civil cases, what happened
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in those cases?
JUROR: Reached a verdict.
THE COURT: And how recent was the most recent jury
service?
JUROR: That I was actually on the case?
THE COURT: That you were a member of the jury.
JUROR: 20 years ago, I would say.
THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: 42. This was a state case, criminal, well
over ten years ago.
THE COURT: Thank you.
Who else?
JUROR: No. 52. I was in a civil case in Kings County
about 15 years ago.
THE COURT: Thank you.
Who else?
JUROR: So No. 12. I was on a state criminal case in
2016 as an alternate juror.
THE COURT: And were you placed on the jury? Did you
substitute in for one of the jurors?
JUROR: I was on the jury; so I listened to the entire
trial, but I was excused before the decision.
THE COURT: So you didn't participate in reaching a
verdict; correct?
JUROR: Correct.
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THE COURT: How long ago was that?
JUROR: 2016.
THE COURT: Okay. Who else?
JUROR: No. 5. Civil. Ten years ago.
THE COURT: Where?
JUROR: Manhattan county.
THE COURT: And did that go to verdict?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: Criminal trial in the Bronx, Bronx Criminal
Court, 15 years ago maybe.
THE COURT: All right. Without telling me the
verdict, did the jury reach a verdict?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay. Is there anything about that
experience that would prevent you from being a fair and
impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you give the microphone to Juror No.
5.
Is there anything about your experience being a juror
that would prevent you from being a fair and impartial juror in
this case?
JUROR: No, ma'am.
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include agents and analysts from the FBI. Would any of you be
more or less likely to believe a witness merely because he or
she is a law enforcement officer? And I address this question
to those who have not already answered it.
Some of the evidence admitted at trial may come from
searches performed by law enforcement officers. I instruct you
that those searches were legal and that the evidence obtained
from those searches is admissible in this case.
Do any of you have strong feelings about searches
conducted by law enforcement officers or the use of evidence
obtained from such searches that would interfere with your
ability to be a fair and impartial juror in this case?
Does anyone have any expectations about the types of
evidence that the government or the defendant should or will
present in this criminal trial or in a criminal trial more
generally?
Would everyone be able to follow the Court's
instruction that the government is not required to use any
particular technique in order to investigate a case? Is there
anybody who would not be able to follow that instruction?
Under our system of law, the jury determines the facts
and the Court determines the law. These two areas are separate
and distinct. At the end of the case, I will instruct you on
the law. You're required to accept the law as I explain it to
you. It will be your job to determine the facts subject to my
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explanation of the law. You may not substitute your notions of
what the law is or what you think it should be.
Is there anyone who feels that he or she is either
unwilling or unable to apply the law as I explain it to you?
Under our system of law, every defendant is presumed
innocent and cannot be found guilty unless a jury, having heard
all the evidence in the case, unanimously decides that the
evidence proves his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
Is there anyone who has any difficulty accepting the
law or the presumption of innocence as to the defendant?
Under our system of law, the burden of proof is on the
government. That burden never shifts to the defense. The
defendant does not have to prove his innocence, present any
evidence, testify, or cross-examine any of the government's
witnesses. If the defendant chooses not to testify, you cannot
hold that against him. Is there any juror who cannot follow
that instruction?
Conversely, if defense counsel decides to put on a
case on the defendant's behalf, that fact does not shift the
burden of proof to the defendant, nor does it diminish the
obligation of the government to prove the defendant's guilt
beyond a reasonable doubt. Would any of you have any
difficulty following this principle?
The law provides that only the evidence produced here
in the courtroom may be used by you to determine whether the
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government has met its burden of proving the defendant's guilt
beyond a reasonable doubt. You may not consider any outside
facts beyond the trial evidence. Is there anyone who has
difficulty accepting that law?
The law provides that the question of punishment is
for the judge alone to decide. The question of the possible
sentence that the defendant may receive cannot enter into your
deliberations as to the guilt or innocence of the defendant.
Is there any juror who cannot follow that instruction?
If the evidence establishes the defendant's guilt
beyond a reasonable doubt, is there anyone who feels that they
could not render a verdict of guilty?
If the evidence does not establish the defendant's
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, is there anyone who feels that
they could not render a verdict of not guilty?
Do any of you have any legal training? And I address
this question to those of you who have not already answered it.
What number are you?
JUROR: No. 40.
THE COURT: And what is the nature of your legal
training?
JUROR: I used to work for the Coalition of the
International criminal Court.
THE COURT: Okay. Who else?
JUROR: That's it for me.
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THE COURT: Does anyone have any religious,
philosophical, or other beliefs that would make him or her
unable to render a verdict?
All righty. I am now going to move on to questioning
the individual jurors. I'm going to start with No. 2.
If you would state your number.
JUROR: No. 2.
THE COURT: And your county of residence and
neighborhood during the last five years.
JUROR: I lived in the Bronx, and I just moved to
Manhattan this year.
THE COURT: Okay. How far did you go in school?
JUROR: To like college or -- like --
THE COURT: Did you graduate high school?
JUROR: Yes, yes. Bachelor's, college.
THE COURT: And you graduated college?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And what did you study in college?
JUROR: Biology and computer science.
THE COURT: And what is your current job?
JUROR: Laboratory technician for Columbia University.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: What do the members of your household do
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for a living?
JUROR: My mom works for the post office; my brother
works for Starbucks.
THE COURT: Do you like to read books, magazines, or
websites?
JUROR: Yeah. I like to read books.
THE COURT: What type of books?
JUROR: Fantasy.
THE COURT: Do you belong to any clubs or
organizations?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: Reading or playing video games.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: I don't believe so.
THE COURT: It calls for a yes or no answer.
JUROR: Sorry, no. Yeah, no. Sorry.
THE COURT: Now, going on to No. 4. If you would
state your number, your county of residence -- I'm sorry,
you're No. 3. No, I'm going to No. 4.
If you would state your number, your county of
residence, and your neighborhood during the past five years.
JUROR: I'm No. 4. I live in the Bronx for the past
30 years.
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THE COURT: How long?
JUROR: 30 years.
THE COURT: 30.
JUROR: Same place in the Bronx.
THE COURT: And what neighborhood there?
JUROR: 14th -- Ogden Avenue.
THE COURT: Ogden Avenue?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Actually, I don't think Juror No. 2 told
me the neighborhood.
JUROR: Hudson Yards.
THE COURT: Hudson Yards. Okay.
How far did you go in school?
JUROR: I went to Long Island University, get my
bachelor degree in 2013, education.
THE COURT: In 2013 you got an education degree?
JUROR: Yes. Bachelor degree.
THE COURT: And your current job?
JUROR: I work in the Department of Education, NYC
DOE, as a special education teacher assistant.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Yeah, I'm married.
THE COURT: And your spouse, what does that person do
for a living?
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JUROR: My wife stay home.
THE COURT: And is she a homemaker?
JUROR: Yes. Yeah.
THE COURT: Okay. And are there other adults in the
house who work?
JUROR: Yes. My daughter work at the New York City
Department of Housing and Preservation.
THE COURT: Who works at housing?
JUROR: My daughter.
THE COURT: Your daughter. Okay.
JUROR: My son graduate from computer science last
year. He going to start a new job very soon.
THE COURT: He has not started the job yet?
JUROR: No. He's -- not yet. Yeah, he's waiting for
it.
THE COURT: Okay. And do you like any types of books
or magazines or web sites?
JUROR: Yes, I do a lot of books about children mostly
because I'm a teacher. So usually I read those books, and
yeah.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: Listening to music. I like some documentary
on TV, scientific documentaries.
THE COURT: And is there anything that would prevent
you from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
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JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Okay. I'd like to go to No. 5.
Please state your number.
JUROR: No. 5.
THE COURT: Your county of residence.
JUROR: Manhattan.
THE COURT: And your neighborhood during the last five
years?
JUROR: Harlem. City College area.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Some college.
THE COURT: And what were you studying?
JUROR: Sociology.
THE COURT: Your current job?
JUROR: Executive assistant.
THE COURT: And you've held that for the last five
years?
JUROR: Ten years now.
THE COURT: And are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Single. Two kids.
THE COURT: Are there any adult members of the
household who work?
JUROR: Yes. Son just graduated Saturday, this past
Saturday.
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THE COURT: Congratulations.
JUROR: Thank you. Oldest one lives in Virginia, so
no. And then two parents.
THE COURT: So you said the son who just graduated.
JUROR: He has not started any job yet.
THE COURT: No job.
JUROR: Just came home.
THE COURT: And your parents, are they working?
JUROR: They both are retired. School teachers.
THE COURT: And then somebody in Virginia?
JUROR: Yeah, my oldest son.
THE COURT: He works?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: What does he do?
JUROR: He's an economist and banking.
THE COURT: Do you like to read any types of books,
magazines?
JUROR: Nope.
THE COURT: Websites?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: What's that?
JUROR: So I have Incoga (ph), Oquagminfacu (ph),
Ocusaka (ph).
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THE COURT: Could you tell me what those organizations
do?
JUROR: Those are all either nonprofit -- well, all of
them are nonprofit. But they based on -- from the origin from
Ghana, West Africa. And so they are all -- either one is
national -- well, two of them are national-based and one is
local.
THE COURT: And what is the purpose of the
organizations?
JUROR: Well, it's more for cultural-based. It's more
cultural-based.
THE COURT: Got it.
How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: Either working with those organizations,
helping out, and youth, with the youth.
THE COURT: Helping out youth?
JUROR: Mm-hmm.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: We'll come back to Juror No. 2.
How long have you been in the job that you have?
JUROR: Two years now as of May.
THE COURT: And what did you do before that?
JUROR: I graduated in 2021, and I didn't do anything
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until I got this job in 2022.
THE COURT: And No. 4, how long have you been at your
job?
JUROR: Since 2005.
THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: Close to 20 years now.
THE COURT: All righty.
I am now going to Juror No. 7. If you would please
state your number, your county of residence, and your
neighborhood during the last five years.
JUROR: Manhattan, Hell's Kitchen.
THE COURT: And what is your number?
JUROR: No. 7.
THE COURT: Okay. How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Bachelor's.
THE COURT: And what was the subject matter?
JUROR: Liberal arts.
THE COURT: Your current job?
JUROR: HR director.
THE COURT: And have you been doing that for the last
five years?
JUROR: For over 25 years.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Married.
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THE COURT: What does your spouse do for a living?
JUROR: He retired from the NYPD.
THE COURT: And was he an officer at the NYPD?
JUROR: He was a detective.
THE COURT: A detective.
And I expect that there will be law enforcement
witnesses in this case. Would you be able to judge their
testimony in the same way that you would judge the testimony of
any other witness?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Would you tend to have a bias in favor of
a law enforcement witness?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you have a bias against a law
enforcement witness?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Is there anything about your husband's
job, former job, that would prevent you from being fair and
impartial in this case?
JUROR: Maybe. Because I hear him all the time
talking about, you know, the news. And I'm listening to
opinions.
THE COURT: All right. So many people express
opinions one way or the other. And, of course, sometimes you
have different opinions from your husband.
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JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: And so my question is can you put aside
his opinions and treat both sides in this case fairly?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Do you think that because your husband was
in law enforcement, that that will give you a bias in favor of
the prosecution?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you have a bias against the
prosecution?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you be in favor of the defendant?
JUROR: I've had -- I don't -- no.
THE COURT: Would you be against the defendant?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: So are you saying that you have a bias
against the defendant?
JUROR: Repeat it?
THE COURT: In other words, do you come into this
courtroom already with feelings against the defendant?
JUROR: To be perfectly honest, yes, because I've
experienced --
THE COURT: So the question is can you put aside any
previous experiences that you may have and come into the
courtroom with an open mind, listen to the witness testimony,
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evaluate the documentary evidence, listen to my instructions on
the law, and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Are there any other adults in the
household who work?
JUROR: My son.
THE COURT: And what does he do?
JUROR: He's a para professional.
THE COURT: In what --
JUROR: Department of Education.
THE COURT: Do you like to read any types of books or
magazines?
JUROR: Just some basically health books of the mind
and the body.
THE COURT: Anything on the web that you like to read?
JUROR: Finance.
THE COURT: And are you belonging to any clubs or
organizations?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: Unfortunately, watching Netflix.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: All righty. If you would pass the
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microphone to No. 8.
Would you state your number, county of residence, and
neighborhood over the last five years.
JUROR: No. 8. No. 8.
THE COURT: And what county do you live in?
JUROR: Bronx.
THE COURT: And you've been there for at least five
years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And what neighborhood of the Bronx? What
section of the Bronx?
JUROR: Allerton.
THE COURT: Allerton.
How far did you go in school?
JUROR: School?
THE COURT: Yes.
JUROR: I was before ten years only for language.
THE COURT: Are you having any difficulty
understanding my questions?
JUROR: Yes, but I have -- here I have eleven years.
THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: But I don't -- I don't have any school here.
THE COURT: No schooling here.
Where did you go to school?
JUROR: In my country.
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THE COURT: And where is that?
JUROR: Albania.
THE COURT: In Albania you went to school. Okay.
What is your job?
JUROR: Porter.
THE COURT: And have you been doing that for five
years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Married.
THE COURT: And what does your spouse do for a living?
Do you have a wife?
JUROR: Yes. We work together, same place.
THE COURT: Same place.
And other people in your home, do you have any other
people that have a job?
JUROR: My daughter. Only my daughter.
THE COURT: Your daughter? What does she do?
JUROR: Nothing.
THE COURT: How old is your daughter?
JUROR: 30.
THE COURT: 30?
JUROR: 30.
THE COURT: Okay.
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JUROR: She is disabled.
THE COURT: She's disabled. I see. So she can't
work.
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: No. Okay.
Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Only I watch TV and --
THE COURT: You like TV. Okay.
And do you have membership in any clubs?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: And is there anything that would prevent
you from being a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Okay. If you would pass the microphone to
No. 10.
If you would say your number.
JUROR: Ten, No. 10.
THE COURT: And your county of residence and
neighborhood.
JUROR: Westchester County, Valhalla.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Master's degree.
THE COURT: In what subject?
JUROR: Business management leadership.
THE COURT: And your current job?
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JUROR: Director of real estate and property
management.
THE COURT: And have you been doing that for at least
five years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: I am married.
THE COURT: And your spouse, what does that person do
for a living?
JUROR: She's a homemaker. She's a homemaker.
THE COURT: Homemaker. Okay.
Any other adults in the household who work?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Before children, yes. Well, I guess different
reading now, yes.
THE COURT: So what type of reading do you do now?
JUROR: A lot of children's books. Grumpy Monkey
mostly.
THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: Children, driving them around, taking them to
sports and things like that.
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THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: If you would pass the microphone to number
11.
If you'd state your number, please.
JUROR: 11.
THE COURT: And your county of residence.
JUROR: Bronx County for about 17 years.
THE COURT: And your neighborhood.
JUROR: Riverdale.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Bachelor's in mass communications.
THE COURT: And your current job.
JUROR: I'm an event planner.
THE COURT: And you've been doing that for the last
five years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: In a significant relationship.
THE COURT: And your significant other, what does that
person do for a living?
JUROR: He's a machine operator at LaGuardia and JFK
Airports.
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THE COURT: Anybody else in your household who works?
JUROR: None.
THE COURT: Any type of reading you like?
JUROR: Not particularly, no. I mainly focus on
social media.
THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: None.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: I'm a singer. I do weddings and parties.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: None, Judge.
THE COURT: If you could pass the microphone to No.
12.
Would you please state your number, your county of
residence, and your neighborhood.
JUROR: 12. And it's Manhattan, Murray Hill.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Bachelor's of business.
THE COURT: Your current job?
JUROR: Vice president of investor relations.
THE COURT: And have you been doing that for at least
the last five years?
JUROR: No, six months.
THE COURT: And before that?
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JUROR: I was a stock analyst at a bank for nine
years.
THE COURT: And are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And your significant other, what does that
person do for a living?
JUROR: She is head of human resources for a bank.
THE COURT: Any other adults in your household who
work?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Wall Street Journal.
THE COURT: Are you involved in clubs or
organizations?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: I don't have much spare time really. I work a
lot and so maybe travel, but that's about it. Nothing too
exciting.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Okay. If you could please pass the
microphone to No. 14.
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JUROR: He's not here.
THE COURT: He's not here?
Okay. Then to No. 15.
If you would state your number.
JUROR: No. 15. Manhattan, Manhattan Valley.
THE COURT: And you've been there for the last five
years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Master's of business administration.
THE COURT: Your current job?
JUROR: SVP of marketing and fund raising.
THE COURT: What type of setting?
JUROR: Healthcare. Nonprofit.
THE COURT: And you've been doing that for five years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship.
JUROR: Married.
THE COURT: And your spouse, what does that person do
for a living?
JUROR: He's a medical receptionist.
THE COURT: Did you say medical receptionist?
JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: Any other adults in the house who work?
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JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Yeah. I like mysteries, I read
The New York
Times if I have time, BBC.
THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: Travel. I love the theater. Enjoying New
York.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: If you would please hand the microphone to
No. 29 -- I'm sorry -- yeah, No. 29.
No. 34. Please state your number, your county of
residence, and your neighborhood during the last five years.
JUROR: No. 34. Bronx. Pelham Bay.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Bachelor's.
THE COURT: What subject?
JUROR: Economics.
THE COURT: What is your job of the last five years?
JUROR: Well, I just became a director eight months
ago. Before that I was an administrative manager for the
Department of Housing, Preservation and Development.
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THE COURT: If you could speak up into the microphone.
You said you were a director?
JUROR: I am currently.
THE COURT: You're currently a director of what?
JUROR: Of HPD, Housing, Preservation and Development.
THE COURT: And you used to do what?
JUROR: I was an admin manager before that.
THE COURT: And that accounts for the last five years?
JUROR: Yeah.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Significant relationship.
THE COURT: And your significant other, what does that
person do for a living?
JUROR: He's retired.
THE COURT: What did he used to do?
JUROR: Construction.
THE COURT: Are there any other adults in the
household who work?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Novels, romantic.
THE COURT: Okay. I want you to keep your voice up.
You said you like novels?
JUROR: Romantic novels.
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THE COURT: Romance novels.
Okay. Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Your spare time?
JUROR: Puzzles. Spend with my family.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Please go to No. 49.
If you would state your number, your county, and your
neighborhood.
JUROR: 49. Manhattan, East Village.
THE COURT: You've been there for the last five years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: High school.
THE COURT: What is your job?
JUROR: Porter.
THE COURT: Water?
JUROR: Porter, like a janitor.
THE COURT: Porter.
Are you married or in a significant relationship?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Are there other people in your house who
work?
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JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of books or magazines
or the websites?
JUROR: Sports, religion, and stuff.
THE COURT: Are you involved in clubs or
organizations?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: Hanging out with family.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: If you would please hand the mic to No.
51.
If you would state your number, your county of
residence, and neighborhood of the last five years.
JUROR: Number is 51. I live in Brooklyn; Green
Point, Brooklyn.
THE COURT: How long have you been living in Brooklyn?
JUROR: Since September.
THE COURT: Counsel, would you step up, please.
(At sidebar)
THE COURT: So it's my understanding that a Brooklyn
resident is not qualified to be a juror in the S.D.N.Y.;
correct?
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MS. SHROFF: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: So I will dismiss her. I'll just move on
to the next person. Okay.
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THE COURT: If you would pass the microphone to No.
58.
JUROR: 58.
THE COURT: And your county of residence and
neighborhood during the last five years?
JUROR: Westchester County, New Rochelle.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: I have my doctorate.
THE COURT: In what subject?
JUROR: Physical therapy.
THE COURT: And you've been doing physical therapy for
the last five years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And your significant other, what does that
person do?
JUROR: They are a mechanic. Mechanic.
THE COURT: Mechanic.
Are there other adults in the house who work?
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JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Mostly business magazines.
THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Your spare time?
JUROR: I volunteer at the Humane Society.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: All righty.
If you would please pass the microphone to No. 69.
JUROR: No. 69.
THE COURT: Your county?
JUROR: Rockland County, Congers.
THE COURT: I'm sorry. Oh, there you are.
Rockland County in Congers. And you've been there for
at least the last five years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And how far did you go in school?
JUROR: Three years' college.
THE COURT: What subject?
JUROR: Engineering and computer science.
THE COURT: Your current job?
JUROR: I am an associate director of a facilities
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department.
THE COURT: Associate director. What type of
facility?
JUROR: It's a pharmaceutical manufacturing facility.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: I am married.
THE COURT: And your spouse, what does that person do
for a living?
JUROR: She's an accountant.
THE COURT: Are there other adults in the house who
work?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Yes, I do. I read engineering and science
books mostly.
THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: I belong to a boat club and I also belong to
some religious ministries.
THE COURT: In your spare time?
JUROR: The ministries and the book club.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Please pass the mic to No. 70.
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And if you would state your number, your county of
residence, and neighborhood over the last five years.
JUROR: No. 70. Lower East Side.
THE COURT: And you've been there for the last five
years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And how far did you go in school?
JUROR: I dropped out in high school and I'm in
college now.
THE COURT: So you got a GED?
JUROR: Yeah.
THE COURT: Great. And what are you studying now?
JUROR: Liberal arts.
THE COURT: And your current job?
JUROR: Maintenance. And I own two online stores.
THE COURT: What do you sell?
JUROR: Vitamins, my own product vitamins, and
clothing.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Yes, married.
THE COURT: And your spouse, what does that person do
for a living?
JUROR: She's a teacher assistant.
THE COURT: Anybody else in the household who works?
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JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Stephen King.
THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Your spare time?
JUROR: Just with my store and my kids.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you pass the microphone to number
73.
If you'd state your number, your county of residence,
and your neighborhood during the last five years.
JUROR: 73. Westchester. Yonkers.
THE COURT: You've been there for at least five years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And your current job?
JUROR: Associate director of finance budget.
THE COURT: In what sort of a setting?
JUROR: I'm sorry?
THE COURT: What type of a setting do you work in?
JUROR: In financial, yeah.
THE COURT: Okay. And you've been doing that for the
last five years?
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JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Significant, long distance. The Philippines.
THE COURT: You said a significant long distant what?
JUROR: Philippines. In the Philippines.
THE COURT: In the Philippines.
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay. And your significant other, does
that person work?
JUROR: Banking.
THE COURT: Are there any adults in the household who
work other than you?
JUROR: Brother, a nurse assistant at St. Barnabas.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Financial Access.
THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: None.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: House chores, documentaries.
THE COURT: Anything that would prevent you from being
a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: None.
THE COURT: No. 77, please.
If you'd state your name, your county of residence,
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and neighborhood of the last five years.
JUROR: 77. Manhattan. Central Harlem.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Bachelor of science and computer science.
THE COURT: What is your job?
JUROR: I'm currently not working.
THE COURT: And how recently did you have a job?
JUROR: Four and a half years ago.
THE COURT: And what did you do five and a half years
ago?
JUROR: I was in IT in a large financial institution.
THE COURT: And how long did you have that job?
JUROR: 23 years.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Significant relationship.
THE COURT: And your significant other, does that
person work?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: And are there any other adults in the
household who work?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Any type of reading that you like?
JUROR: Spirituality, esoteric art, photography, and
other things.
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THE COURT: Are you involved in clubs or
organizations?
JUROR: Yes. I'm a community leader in the Atlassian
user group. Atlassian is a software company.
THE COURT: I'm sorry, I am not following you. You
said you were a community leader in what kind of group?
JUROR: It's a user group of Atlassian software. It's
a collection of people that use software products by the
Atlassian Company. And so we plan and host events of other
people that use those products.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: Gardening and photography.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you pass the mic to No. 78.
JUROR: No. 78. I live in Manhattan county; been
living here for a little bit over five years. I live now in
the Upper East Side. The past five years I also lived in
Hell's Kitchen and Greenwich Village.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Bachelor's in business management.
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THE COURT: And your current job.
JUROR: I work in commercial lending. I've been doing
it for almost six years. Titles have changed, but it's the
same——pretty much the same work.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Engaged to be married, living in the same
apartment.
THE COURT: Congratulations. And your fiancée, what
does that individual do?
JUROR: She——she's a social worker.
THE COURT: And any other adults in the household who
work?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: What type of reading do you like?
JUROR: Self-help, mystery, and I——a little bit of
news from different sources. Mainly through Google News.
THE COURT: Namely through?
JUROR: Google News.
THE COURT: Google.
JUROR: Yeah.
THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Your spare time?
JUROR: Either running, reading, TV. Nothing in
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THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: If you'd pass the mic to juror 79.
Could you tell me your number, your county of
residence, and neighborhood of the last five years.
JUROR: No. 79. Manhattan, Hell's Kitchen.
THE COURT: I'm having difficulty hearing you.
JUROR: Sorry. No. 79, Manhattan, Hell's Kitchen.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Bachelor's of science.
THE COURT: And your current job.
JUROR: I'm a portfolio manager.
THE COURT: I'm sorry. I didn't get that.
JUROR: Portfolio manager.
THE COURT: And you've been doing that for the last
five years?
JUROR: Basically the same, different titles.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Significant relationship.
THE COURT: And your significant other, what does that
person do for a living?
JUROR: She's an attorney.
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THE COURT: What sort of law does she practice?
JUROR: Bankruptcy restructuring.
THE COURT: So would you be able to put aside anything
that you have learned about bankruptcy law, bankruptcy
proceedings, and only follow the evidence that you hear in this
case?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Science fiction. Whatever the Hudson News has
when I'm about to travel.
THE COURT: Science fiction, and did you say travel?
JUROR: Like whatever the Hudson News has before I——
THE COURT: I'm sorry. I'm having trouble hearing
you, sir. If you would please speak up.
JUROR: Sorry. It's whatever the bookstore has
available before I get on a flight.
THE COURT: If you could speak louder and slower.
JUROR: Whatever the bookstore has before I get on a
flight, so really anything.
THE COURT: And are there any other adults in your
household who work?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Are you involved in clubs or
organizations?
JUROR: Yeah, Jacques Pépin Foundation.
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THE COURT: What is that?
JUROR: It's——well, he's a TV chef, and the
organization writes grants to smaller nonprofits that train
people on culinary or professional skills.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: Video games, cooking.
THE COURT: Video games and what?
JUROR: Cooking.
THE COURT: Cooking. Is there anything that would
prevent you from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you pass the mic to No. 81, please.
JUROR: No. 81. From Westchester County, New
Rochelle.
THE COURT: And you've been there for at least five
years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Master's in information technology management.
THE COURT: And your current job.
JUROR: I'm a field service engineer for a medical
instruments company.
THE COURT: You've been doing that for the last five
years?
JUROR: Yeah. More than that. Ten. I'm also a
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member of Air Force Reserves.
THE COURT: You're also a member of the Air Force
Reserves?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Married.
THE COURT: And your spouse, what does that person do
for a living?
JUROR: She works in retail management.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Yes. I like reading about technology, about
health, and religious books, self-help.
THE COURT: Are you involved in clubs or
organizations?
JUROR: I just help out in my church with the youth;
that's it.
THE COURT: And how do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: I like doing outdoor stuff, hiking, running; I
also love——like cooking and learning new things.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you pass the mic to No. 83, please.
JUROR: 83. Westchester. South Salem.
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THE COURT: You've been there for the last five years?
JUROR: Yes. Yes.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: I have a PhD.
THE COURT: In what subject?
JUROR: English and American literature.
THE COURT: Your current job?
JUROR: I'm retired. I was previously——I taught
English at the college level.
THE COURT: And how long have you been retired?
JUROR: 2003.
THE COURT: And how long did you work for?
JUROR: 20 years.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: I'm married.
THE COURT: And your spouse, what does that person do
for a living?
JUROR: He's retired. He was previously an
advertising executive.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Yes. I read literary fiction, I read The New
Yorker, The New York Times, the New York Review of Books,
poetry.
THE COURT: And are there any adults in your house who
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JUROR: No.
THE COURT: ——both you and your——well, you do not
work, but there are no others who work in the house?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: Yes. My local alumni club, yachting club.
THE COURT: So the yachting club and what other club?
JUROR: The Wellesley alumni club.
THE COURT: How would you describe what you do in your
spare time?
JUROR: Sailing, gardening, yoga. I'm interested in
ancestry so I help people discover their ancestry; Italian,
usually.
THE COURT: And is there anything that would prevent
you from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you please pass the microphone to
No. 88.
JUROR: No. 88. Manhattan. Greenwich Village.
THE COURT: And you've lived there for at least five
years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Four years. Didn't graduate. Field was
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THE COURT: Your current job?
JUROR: I am an audio book narrator and I also work as
a standardized patient at a couple of medical schools.
THE COURT: Did you say a standardized patient?
JUROR: Standardized patient.
THE COURT: What does that mean?
JUROR: I pretend to be sick so the med students can
figure out what's wrong with me.
THE COURT: And this work that you've been doing as an
audio book narrator and a standardized patient, you've been
doing that for the last five years?
JUROR: Yes, ma'am.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Any adults in the house other than
yourself who work?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: I like politics, the arts, music.
THE COURT: Are you involved in any clubs or
organizations?
JUROR: I'm a member of the Screen Actors Guild and
also the musicians union. That's about it.
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THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: Practicing, surfing the web.
THE COURT: Practicing what?
JUROR: I play clarinet, sax, and flute also.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: I don't believe so, no.
THE COURT: All right. This calls for a yes or no
answer. Is there anything that would prevent you from being a
fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Please pass the mic to No. 90.
JUROR: No. 90. Westchester County. The Village of
Pelham Manor. I have a master's of art in teaching. I work at
a cultural institute, and I'm an associate director there of
education.
THE COURT: And you've been living in Pelham Manor for
the last five years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And your work at a cultural institute,
you've also been doing that for at least five years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: What is your marital status? Are you
married or in a significant relationship?
JUROR: I'm married.
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THE COURT: And your spouse, what does that person do
for a living?
JUROR: He is head of North American sales at S&P
Global, Dow Jones indices.
THE COURT: Any other adults in the household who
work?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: I like to read historical fiction.
THE COURT: And any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: I belong to a few environmental organizations,
as well as the Pelham Country Club.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: Playing tennis and golf and gardening.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Please pass the microphone back to one of
my law clerks.
And counsel, I'll see you at sidebar.
(At the sidebar)
THE COURT: With regard to Juror No. 8, I don't think
he is sufficiently fluent in English to serve as a juror. Is
there any objection to my dismissing him?
MR. FINKEL: Not from the government.
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MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. So I want to go over——well,
first of all, are there any questions that you want me to pose
to any particular jurors who are left?
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU: We're going to make a for-cause
challenge to No. 7 at the time your Honor thinks is
appropriate.
THE COURT: On what grounds?
MR. KAMARAJU: Her husband is a retired NYPD
detective. Originally when your Honor asked her whether she
was biased against the defendant, she said yes based on the
conversations that her——I want to make sure I'm not too
close——based on conversations she had overheard with her
husband and a friend, and while your Honor asked a subsequent
question, she seemed very hesitant, to us, to answer in the
affirmative, and her most definitive and clear answer was that
she would be biased against the defendant.
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, you followed up and asked
that potential juror whether she agreed with everything her
husband says and she said no. You said, are you able to put
aside opinions you may have heard from other people and decide
the issues in this case based on what you hear in this
courtroom, are you biased against any of the people in this
courtroom, she said no, and she said she could be a fair and
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impartial juror.
THE COURT: That's right. I'm not going to dismiss
her for cause.
Anybody else?
MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay. So I just want to go over, is there
any individual that I have not gotten to? Oh, that means other
than 14 and 29, who did not come back after lunch.
MR. KAMARAJU: Oh, yeah. Thank you, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: Nothing from the government.
THE COURT: All right, then.
MS. SHROFF: Could we have one——
MR. KAMARAJU: Was 96 addressed?
MR. FINKEL: We have 96 struck, but——
THE COURT: Let me see.
MS. SHROFF: So, your Honor, we would request that the
Court bring No. 7 back and ask her if she can actually be fair
and impartial in this case because I don't think the way she
answered, after a long pause and said yes——essentially, in
light of her previous answer that she said she could not be
fair, I would ask that the Court make a last inquiry of her.
THE COURT: So I think she was rehabilitated
completely and so I am not going to pursue this any further.
Juror 96 was struck.
All righty. So I am going to excuse those people who
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have been dismissed, and those who have not, I'll have them
wait and we'll go through the peremptory challenges.
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, can I make sure we understand
the peremptory system. So is it correct that essentially the
first 12 remaining jurors, whoever is last, that the defense
can strike as many as they want up to 10, and after they choose
those 10, whoever's left, the government can strike whichever
six, up to six, it wants?
THE COURT: Okay. So no.
MS. SHROFF: No.
THE COURT: So we start in round one, and the defense
strikes whomever they decide to. Now they might take all 10,
but I highly doubt it. So let's assume that they take two.
Then you're going to have a stab at the remaining 10.
MR. FINKEL: Okay.
THE COURT: Then there's another round with the
defense, and they get to strike as many as they have left, and
then you get your opportunity to do the same, and we just go
like that until they have eliminated all of their strikes.
MR. FINKEL: I see. In groups of 12 then.
THE COURT: Always in a group of 12.
MR. FINKEL: Okay. And sorry to——so we will know who
they're going to strike.
THE COURT: It's going to be out loud. I'm going to
announce it, and it will be obvious.
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MR. FINKEL: Okay. Thank you.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor——
MR. FERGENSON: Your Honor——oh, go ahead.
MS. SHROFF: Okay. So your Honor, two things. One
is, does the defense go first each time or do we rotate, we go
first and then they go?
THE COURT: The defense goes first every time.
MS. SHROFF: Okay. And two, your Honor, we do need to
talk to the client before we exercise the peremptories. So
you're not going to make me do it tonight?
THE COURT: Oh, no, no, no, we are doing it today. If
you want to talk to your client, then he's sitting right next
to you.
MS. SHROFF: I just didn't know. I thought we ended
at 5.
THE COURT: It's not 5 yet.
MS. SHROFF: It's past 5.
THE COURT: I'm sorry. I read my clock wrong. So
forgive me for that. We're going to have to come back
tomorrow.
MS. SHROFF: Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that.
Thank you, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU: I was just going to ask a numbers
question. Do we have the count of nonstruck jurors? I wasn't
sure if there was enough.
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MS. MURRAY: 21; 23 with the two who didn't come back
from lunch. So if they come back and they do the individual
tomorrow, it would be 23, but right now there are 21.
MR. KAMARAJU: Is that enough? Do we need more?
THE COURT: Well, we can go with the ones that we
have, and then we're going bring up another bunch.
MR. KAMARAJU: Okay. That's what I wasn't sure, your
Honor, if you wanted to do that first, bring up the others
first.
THE COURT: I want to do this group first.
MS. SHROFF: All right. Thank you, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, just a logistical point. So
it appears we're going to be finished with jury selection
tomorrow. We'll go right into witnesses? We flew in witnesses
from out of state. We expect to be going. We're ready. And
we just want to make sure that expectation is correct and not
wrong.
MS. SHROFF: Are we sitting this Friday?
MR. FINKEL: Yes.
THE COURT: Remember I said we're on Fridays.
MS. SHROFF: No, no. I thought there was some
disagreement this morning. That's why I'm asking.
THE COURT: Yeah. We're going to go.
MR. FINKEL: Thank you, your Honor.
MR. FERGENSON: Your Honor, I'm sorry. I just wanted
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to make sure I understood the peremptories. So in your
hypothetical, we had 12, defense struck two, and suppose we
didn't strike any; are those 10 people on the jury?
THE COURT: They're on the jury.
MR. FERGENSON: Got it.
THE COURT: If you don't strike any, then we're just
going to add another couple and you're going to be then dealing
with those two. Exactly.
MR. FINKEL: Oh, okay.
THE COURT: Yes.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, if you could excuse me at
1:00 tomorrow for ten minutes.
THE COURT: Yes. Absolutely.
THE COURT: All right. The jurors are going to be
housed in 26A when they come back tomorrow morning. Okay.
MR. KAMARAJU: Thank you, your Honor.
(In open court)
THE COURT: All right, then. At this time
Mr. Steinberg is going to read a list of those individuals who
are being excused from jury service.
THE LAW CLERK: No. 80, No. 75, No. 89, No. 96,
No. 82, No. 84, No. 85, No. 86, No. 98, No. 99, No. 100,
No. 33, No. 3, No. 52, No. 76, No. 40, No. 42, No. 47, No. 60,
No. 16, No. 46, No. 94, No. 95, No. 22, No. 51, No. 8. Those
are the jurors who are excused. The rest of the jurors, please
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return tomorrow.
Those who I just named or listed, you may leave now.
We thank you for your jury service today. The rest, please
remain here.
THE COURT: Those of you who are remaining in the
courtroom, you must come back to the courthouse tomorrow and be
in the hallway ready to go into courtroom 26A——which is a
different courtroom from this——courtroom 26A at 9 a.m. sharp.
Remember that you're not allowed to discuss the case amongst
yourselves or with anyone else. Don't permit anyone to discuss
the case in your presence. And also remember that the
attorneys are not allowed to have any contact with you, so
don't hold it against them if they don't acknowledge you if you
see them.
So have a good evening, and I will see you tomorrow at
9 a.m.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, I'm sorry. May we just have
a quick sidebar for a moment.
THE COURT: Yes.
(At the sidebar)
MS. SHROFF: Maybe I missed it, but there is a juror
who is sitting there who was——I don't think he was ever
questioned, right? I think he's a late return.
MR. FINKEL: Wait a minute.
THE COURT: Wait one second. Which number is it?
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MS. SHROFF: I don't know his number. He's the young
man who's sitting there. I think your law clerk knows.
THE LAW CLERK: 29. He came back late. He was one of
the ones who we were going to question tomorrow.
THE COURT: He'll have to come in with the remaining
75.
MR. FINKEL: What is the issue? I'm sorry. I missed
it.
MS. SHROFF: He wasn't questioned, Juror No. 29.
That's all.
THE COURT: Okay. I wanted to clarify something also
about the jury selection. It's in groups of 12. I just want
to make sure that everybody understands it. The first round is
a group of 12. The second round is a group of 12. Okay.
MS. MURRAY: Just one logistical question. If we do
impanel a jury tomorrow at some point before the 2:45, which
would be a typical trial day cutoff, do we expect to sit a full
day until 5 and go straight into openings or would you envision
that once the jury is impaneled, we go back to the Court's
typical trial day schedule?
THE COURT: So I just don't think that we're going to
finish in time to get started with openings. So I'll say we'll
finish with jury selection tomorrow and then open on the
following day.
MR. FINKEL: So we won't have any witnesses until
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THE COURT: Understood.
MR. FINKEL: Thank you, your Honor.
MS. SHROFF: Thank you, your Honor.
(In open court)
THE COURT: All right, then. So tomorrow morning,
26A, 9 a.m. Have a good evening.
(Jury venire not present)
THE COURT: So in my eagerness to push through, I lost
track of the time. You shouldn't hesitate to ask for a sidebar
to address that.
All right. See you tomorrow.
ALL COUNSEL: Thank you, your Honor.
(Adjourned to May 23, 2024, at 9:00 a.m.)
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Original English Content(英文原文)
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
v. 23 Cr. 118 (AT)
MILES GUO,
Defendant. Voir Dire
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New York, N.Y.
May 22, 2024
10:45 a.m.
Before:
HON. ANALISA TORRES,
District Judge
APPEARANCES
DAMIAN WILLIAMS
United States Attorney for the
Southern District of New York
BY: MICAH F. FERGENSON
RYAN B. FINKEL
JUSTIN HORTON
JULIANA N. MURRAY
Assistant United States Attorneys
SABRINA P. SHROFF
Attorney for Defendant
PRYOR CASHMAN LLP
Attorneys for Defendant
BY: SIDHARDHA KAMARAJU
MATTHEW BARKAN
ALSTON & BIRD LLP
Attorneys for Defendant
BY: E. SCOTT SCHIRICK
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ALSO PRESENT:
Isabel Loftus, Paralegal Specialist, USAO
Michael Gartland, Paralegal Specialist, USAO
Geoffrey Mearns, Paralegal Specialist, USAO
Robert Stout, Special Agent, FBI
Ruben Montilla, Defense Paralegal
Tuo Huang, Interpreter (Mandarin)
Shi Feng, Interpreter (Mandarin)
Victor Chang, Interpreter (Mandarin)
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(Jury venire sworn)
THE LAW CLERK: During the course of jury selection,
you will only be referred to by your juror number. At no point
will your name be used. And so right now, I will be calling
you one by one so that one of the judge's law clerks can
confirm your identity and show you to your proper seat for jury
selection.
Juror 1, please come forward.
Those who are in 1-10, please get up and get ready to
be called so that way we can move quickly.
Juror 2, please come forward.
Juror 3, please come forward.
Juror 4, please come forward.
Juror 5, please come forward.
Jurors 11-20, get ready.
Juror 6, please come forward.
Juror 7, please come forward.
Juror 8, please come forward.
Juror 9, please come forward.
Juror 10, please come forward.
Juror 11, please come forward.
Juror 12, please come forward.
Juror 13, please come forward.
Juror 14, please come forward.
Jurors 21-30, please get ready, and if you can, please
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assemble yourselves in order in the back.
Juror 15, please come forward.
Juror 16, please come forward.
Juror 17, please come forward.
Juror 18, please come forward.
Jurors who are in the front row there, please stand in
the back. Everyone in the——thank you.
Juror 19, please come forward.
Juror 20, please come forward.
Juror 21, please come forward.
Juror 22, please come forward.
Juror 23, please come forward.
Juror 24, please come forward.
Juror 25, please come forward.
Jurors 31-40, please go to the back and organize
yourselves in order.
Juror 26, please come forward.
Juror 27, please come forward.
Juror 28, please come forward.
Juror 29, please come forward.
Juror 30, please come forward.
Juror 31, please come forward.
Juror 32, please come forward.
Juror 33, please come forward.
Juror 34, please come forward.
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Juror 35, please come forward.
Jurors 41-50, please organize yourselves in the back.
Juror 35, please come forward.
Juror 36, please come forward.
Juror 37, please come forward.
Juror 38, please come forward.
Juror 39, please come forward.
Juror 40, please come forward.
Juror 41, please come forward.
Juror 42, please come forward.
Juror 43, please come forward.
Juror 44, please come forward.
Juror 45, please come forward.
Jurors 51-60, please organize yourselves in the back
of the room.
Juror 46, please come forward.
Juror 47, please come forward.
Juror 48, please come forward.
Juror 49, please come forward.
Juror 50, please come forward.
Juror 51, please come forward.
Juror 52, please come forward.
Juror 53, please come forward.
Juror 54, please come forward.
Juror 55, please come forward.
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Juror 56, please come forward.
Juror 57, please come forward.
Juror 58, please come forward.
Will jurors 61-70 organize themselves in the back of
the room.
Juror 59, please come forward.
Juror 60, please come forward.
Juror 61, please come forward.
Juror 62, please come forward.
Juror 63, please come forward.
Juror 64, please come forward.
Juror 65, please come forward.
Will jurors 71-85——or 71-80 please organize yourselves
in the back of the room.
Juror 65, please come forward.
Juror 66, please come forward.
Juror 67, please come forward.
Juror 68, please come forward.
Juror 69, please come forward.
Juror 70, please come forward.
Juror 71, please come forward.
Juror 72, please come forward.
Juror 73, please come forward.
Juror 74, please come forward.
Juror 75, please come forward.
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Juror 76, please come forward.
Juror 77, please come forward.
Juror 78, please come forward.
Juror 79, please come forward.
Juror 80, please come forward.
Juror 81, please come forward.
Juror 82, please come forward.
Juror 83, please come forward.
Juror 84, please come forward.
Juror 85, please come forward.
Juror 86, please come forward.
Juror 87, please come forward.
Juror 88, please come forward.
Juror 89, please come forward.
Juror 90, please come forward.
Juror 91, please come forward.
Juror 92, please come forward.
Juror 93, please come forward.
Juror 94, please come forward.
Juror 95, please come forward.
Juror 95 should be in the row to my right.
Juror 96, please come forward.
Juror 97, please come forward.
Juror 98, please come forward.
Juror 99, please come forward.
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Juror 100, please come forward.
Would the Court like me to double-check, confirming
everyone is in their proper seat?
THE COURT: No. I think that your colleagues have
done a fantastic job of that.
THE LAW CLERK: Thank you, your Honor.
THE COURT: Good morning.
THE JURORS: Good morning.
THE COURT: My name is Analisa Torres. I am the judge
who will be handling this case. We're here this morning to
select a jury in a criminal case. The case is called United
States v. Miles Guo. Through this process, we will choose the
12 jurors and six alternates who will hear and decide the case.
The trial is expected to last about seven weeks, but
it is impossible to predict the exact length of the trial with
certainty.
Today, you'll be required to be here until 5 p.m. We
will be taking a lunch break. If we do not finish selecting a
jury today, you'll be required to be here tomorrow from 9 a.m.
sharp to 5 p.m.
After jury selection, our schedule will be as follows.
Please listen carefully. When jury selection is completed, our
schedule will be as follows: You'll be required to be in the
courtroom from 9:30 until 2:45 p.m., with a break from 11:30 to
12 p.m.
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This jury selection process is intended to make sure
that we have a jury of citizens who will decide the issues in
this case fairly and impartially, and without any bias or
prejudice in favor of or against either side. In order to do
that, I'm going to ask certain questions about your personal
background, your family, some of your beliefs and attitudes
about certain matters, how you are employed, and so forth. You
should understand that my questioning is not intended to pry
into your lives, but to make sure that we select fair and
impartial jurors——that is, jurors who will be free from
preconceived notions or prejudice that might prevent them from
returning a fair and just verdict, based solely on the evidence
or the lack of evidence.
If for any reason you're not able to serve as a fair
and impartial juror, it is your duty to tell me.
In responding to my questions, it is important that
you not say in open court anything about the parties in this
case or about any other matter that might tend to impair the
open-mindedness and fairness of the other jurors. If a
question calls for a yes answer, simply answer yes or no. If
there are further matters that you believe should be disclosed
but that might tend to influence the other jurors, you may ask
to approach the bench to discuss them.
If you're selected to serve, you'll be provided light
refreshments in the morning and a light snack during the lunch
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break each day.
As I said, this is a criminal case. The defendant,
Miles Guo, has been charged with committing 12 federal crimes,
in a document called an indictment. The indictment itself is
not evidence. It simply contains the charges that the
government is required to prove to the satisfaction of the jury
beyond a reasonable doubt. I will instruct the jury on what
this burden of proof means after the evidence is presented.
The defendant has denied the charges and has pleaded
not guilty. I have no knowledge of the facts, and nothing that
I say is evidence. I will, however, briefly discuss the
charges so that you'll understand the reason for certain
questions that will be put to you and so that we can determine
whether there is anything about the charges that would make it
impossible for you to serve as a fair and impartial juror. Of
course, those of you selected to sit on this jury will receive
a detailed explanation of the charges at the conclusion of the
case.
Before I start asking questions, I will explain why
each of you has been assigned a number and will be called by
your number only. This case will be tried before a partially
anonymous jury. That means that neither your names nor the
names of the jurors who ultimately are selected will be made
public. I, court administrators, the defendant, defense
counsel, the prosecution, and my law clerks will know your
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names, but this information will not be shared with the public.
Jurors who are ultimately selected can share their names with
each other, but in open court no juror will ever be referenced
by their name. This case has attracted media attention, and
that is likely to continue. The purpose of using a partially
anonymous jury is to protect all of you from any unwanted
attention and invasion of your privacy, and to ensure that
nothing transpires that might interfere with your impartial and
objective study of the evidence and the application of the law.
I'm now going to tell you briefly about the charges in
this case. The indictment consists of 12 charges, or counts.
The government alleges that the defendant operated four
fraudulent investment schemes as part of a criminal enterprise.
The term "criminal enterprise" is also referred to as a
racketeering or RICO enterprise.
Count One charges the defendant with conspiracy to
operate a criminal enterprise.
Counts Two, Three, and Four charge the defendant with
conspiracy to commit wire fraud, bank fraud, securities fraud,
and money laundering offenses.
Counts Five and Six charge the defendant with
securities fraud and wire fraud, in connection with a private
stock offering for a media company known as GTV.
Counts Seven and Eight charge the defendant with wire
fraud and securities fraud in connection with loans made to a
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group known as the Himalaya Farm Alliance.
Counts Nine and Ten charge the defendant with wire
fraud and securities fraud in connection with a lifestyle
membership company known as G Clubs.
Count Eleven charges the defendant with wire fraud in
connection with the Himalaya Exchange, which some have
described as a cryptocurrency ecosystem.
Finally, Count Twelve charges the defendant with
making a $100 million wire transfer using money derived from a
crime.
The defendant has pleaded not guilty and is presumed
innocent of these charges unless and until he is proven guilty
beyond a reasonable doubt under rules that I will describe as
we proceed. I have briefly discussed the charges, not for the
purpose of giving you any instructions but only so that you
will have them in mind as we go through jury selection.
I am now going to ask some questions to the entire
group. If you prefer not to give your answer in public, just
let me know, and the lawyers and I will hear you at the bench.
If you have a yes answer to any of the questions,
please raise your hand high so that I and my law clerks can see
you. Then I will either discuss your yes answer with you in
open court or ask you to come over to the sidebar and speak
with me and the attorneys in private. It is important that
each of you not discuss amongst yourselves any questions that I
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ask.
After we have reviewed a number of general questions
together as a group, then I will ask each of you about your
individual backgrounds.
During the questioning, you might be excused from
serving as a juror in this case. If you happen to be one of
those excused, do not consider that as any reflection on you
personally. This is all part of our system of justice, which
is intended to provide a fair and impartial jury for both
sides. You will have done your duty by your presence and your
readiness to serve if chosen.
Do any of you have a problem with your hearing or
vision that would prevent you serving as a juror?
Are any of you taking any medications or do you have
any health-related problems that would prevent you from serving
as a juror?
All right, then. If you'll step up, please.
(At the sidebar; juror present)
THE COURT: Hi, sir. What is your number?
JUROR: 25.
THE COURT: And if you'll tell me your name, please.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the issue?
JUROR: I get nervous, and there's no way I can do
this.
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THE COURT: You feel that you could not serve as
because of this health issue?
JUROR: No. I have a doctor's note here.
THE COURT: Okay. Let me take a look at that.
The letter is from Allied Healthcare Physicians, PLLC,
signed by Effie Shilhan, underneath it says DNP-FNP, and in
parentheses, BC. I don't know what those letters stand for.
Do you?
JUROR: I don't know, no.
THE COURT: Okay. The letter is dated May 21st. It
says:
"To Whom It May Concern: XXXXXXXXXX has been under the
care of our office. He has a documented history of anxiety.
Additionally, he has a history of panic attacks for which he
has required medical treatment. Being chosen as a juror may
exacerbate his underlying anxiety and cause significant
distress. If you have any further questions or concerns,
please contact our office."
All right, sir. You may go back to your seat. I'm
going to give you this letter.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing
No. 25?
MR. FINKEL: Not from the government.
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us.
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THE COURT: All right. Then he is excused.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello, ma'am. What is your number?
JUROR: 37.
THE COURT: Could you tell me your name, please.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What is the problem?
JUROR: I feel like I'm——I have anxiety, started
having social anxiety when I was in high school. And I'm not
seeing a doctor right now 'cause I don't have health insurance,
and I'm just afraid that with the media attention, I feel
really paranoid and really——I'm sorry.
THE COURT: All right. So you feel that this is not
the right moment for you to serve as a juror because of your
health issues; is that right?
JUROR: Yes. I'm sorry.
THE COURT: All right. Thank you. You can step back.
JUROR: Okay.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing
No. 37?
MR. FINKEL: Not from the government.
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense, your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay.
(Next juror present)
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THE COURT: Hello there. What is your number?
JUROR: 36.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I'm a substitute teacher in Yonkers. So the
students hit me in the back two weeks ago. So I'm in treatment
right now, with medicine, and there are times I can't drive, so
I don't know if I can——if I have half an hour or an hour to——
THE COURT: So you're telling me that the medication
is too sedating in order for you to serve as a juror; is that
correct?
JUROR: That's correct.
THE COURT: All right, then. You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing
Juror No. 36?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense.
MR. FINKEL: Nor the government.
THE COURT: All righty.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 50.
THE COURT: And what is your name, please?
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JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: I'm sorry. I did not hear you.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What is the problem?
JUROR: So I have a herniated disc on the right side,
sciatica, so I'm constantly in immense pain, so it's a
challenge for me to sit or even stand for any period of time.
So it would be challenging for me to sit for——
THE COURT: So you feel that the pain would distract
you from the trial?
JUROR: So whenever I'm in pain, it's hard for me to
focus because not only do I experience pain, I have tingling,
numbness, weakness in my right side. Right now I'm in physical
therapy, I'm on pain medication, but even with the pain
medication, it's challenging for me. So that's why I say——
THE COURT: Thank you for letting me know. You may
step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 50?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense.
MR. FINKEL: Nor the government.
THE COURT: Okay.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 91.
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THE COURT: Okay. If you can just step back just a
little bit so everybody can hear you.
And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: Yes, I have rheumatism, arthritis, so there
are days where I can't get up out of bed or move at all. Also,
I have blood pressure where I have to take the medicine every
day, and I'm constantly going to the bathroom about every five
or ten minutes or so. So I didn't take anything today 'cause I
knew I was coming down here, so sometimes I get lightheaded and
stuff like that, so——
THE COURT: So you feel that the conditions will
distract you from your service as a juror; is that correct?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.
JUROR: All right. Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Was that 90?
MR. KAMARAJU: 91.
MS. SHROFF: 91.
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing 91?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: Nor the government.
(Next juror present)
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JUROR: Hi. I'm sorry. I'm breastfeeding and——
THE COURT: One moment, please. What is your number?
JUROR: 92.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX. I lost my voice.
THE COURT: And you're saying that you're now
breastfeeding and this is not the moment for you to sit in a
jury box; is that correct?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: You would need breaks in order to——
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: ——pump.
JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: Okay. All righty. You may step back.
JUROR: Okay. Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing her?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: Nor the government.
THE COURT: All right. No. 92 is excused.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. If you would tell me your
number.
JUROR: 97.
THE COURT: And your name.
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JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: So my daughter is having surgery tomorrow, and
so I didn't know when I——I should have excused myself from jury
duty, but I——I thought it was like state court, where you go in
three days and then you're done, so I——but I can't be here
tomorrow, or next week.
THE COURT: Or next week.
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: You want to take care of your daughter; is
that it?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: All righty then. You may step back.
JUROR: Okay.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 97?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number, please?
JUROR: 34.
THE COURT: And your name please?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I have four herniated discs, I have an
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Achilles operation, my knee operation, I can't——my——my body
just can't sit here and just, you know, I can't——
THE COURT: So you feel that these health problems
would——
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: ——prevent you from serving as a juror; is
that it?
JUROR: Yes, mm-hmm.
THE COURT: All right. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing
No. 44?
MR. KAMARAJU: We do not object, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 93.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is your full name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I'm diabetic, so I——I take medication, but it
sometimes makes me nervous, and I cannot sit for a long period
of time with an empty stomach.
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THE COURT: So are you saying that the nervousness
would make you feel very uncomfortable serving as a juror?
JUROR: Not all the time but sometimes, yeah, it make
me like not——I have to take a rest.
THE COURT: Yeah. And you're saying that you need to
take breaks in order to eat; is that it?
JUROR: Yes, sometimes, yes.
THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing
No. 93?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
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(At sidebar)
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. What is your number?
JUROR: 52.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: The only scenario I want to disclose, I'm
currently wearing a heart monitor for palpitations, irregular
heartbeat. I'm supposed to be wearing this for the next two
weeks, and then consulting with my physician after that. I
only mention that since it may be seven weeks, I don't know if
I'm going to be seen prior to.
THE COURT: So you're wearing some sort of device
right now?
JUROR: Correct. Heart monitor.
THE COURT: And then is it that you have to go back to
the doctor in order to get the results from --
JUROR: Correct.
And then from there, decide the course of action,
whatever that may be.
THE COURT: Well, did they discuss with you what that
might be?
JUROR: Not yet. Not until we know what the results
are.
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THE COURT: In other words, did they mention it's
likely you may have to take medication or you have to have
surgery?
JUROR: Medication possibly. They mentioned
medication possibly.
THE COURT: But they didn't talk about surgery.
JUROR: Not surgery, not that I'm aware of at this
point in time, no.
THE COURT: So do you feel that wearing the monitor is
going to prevent you from serving as a juror?
JUROR: No. Just the seven weeks, in case they need
to do any course of actions prior to.
THE COURT: Well, you've just said that they've only
discussed medication.
JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: And many of us take medication on a daily
basis.
JUROR: Right.
THE COURT: Did they tell you that the medication was
going to somehow impair your --
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: -- cognition?
JUROR: No. Not at this point, no, not that I'm aware
of any of that. I just figured I'll disclose it so you're
aware of it.
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THE COURT: All right then. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: I don't think that he should be dismissed
for cause.
MR. FINKEL: Government agrees.
MR. KAMARAJU: We agree, your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Sir, what is your number?
JUROR: 87.
THE COURT: 87. And what is your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what is the problem, Mr. Tejada?
JUROR: I have a prostate problem. I'm going to be
interrupting you probably every few minutes. So I have an
appointment for today at 3:30 that I lose because I have to
come here. But I just want to let you know. It's in your
consideration, if you wanted me to stay, I don't know.
THE COURT: Are you saying that you have to use the
bathroom frequently?
JUROR: Frequently.
THE COURT: Like how frequently?
JUROR: Like, I don't know, probably every 10 to 15
minutes, something like that, you know.
THE COURT: Okay.
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JUROR: So I have a surgery already in my prostate, so
I cannot contain. You know, like sometimes I have to -- you
know, but I just want to let you know. Up to you.
THE COURT: All right, then, sir. You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection with my excusing
him from service?
MR. KAMARAJU: No.
MS. MURRAY: 87. Not from the government, your Honor.
THE COURT: All righty.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 30.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: My doctor has me in physical therapy twice a
week for complications after multiple orthopedic surgeries. So
seven weeks of not having that for pain management would mean
medications and I'd rather not be on medication.
THE COURT: Are you saying that in order to serve as a
juror you would have to forgo the medication?
JUROR: No, I'm not on medication. Physical therapy.
THE COURT: It's only physical therapy that you're
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receiving, but you need to receive it several times a week, is
that it?
JUROR: Twice a week.
THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: So like missing a week or two is one thing,
but seven weeks would be just -- for pain management I'd have
to go on some medications.
THE COURT: Are you saying that would be the
alternative, medication would be the alternative?
JUROR: I would have to go on multiple medications to
manage the symptoms.
THE COURT: And would that interfere with your ability
to serve as a juror?
JUROR: I would probably be out of it with the pain
management ones because the last time I was on them, I wasn't
fully there.
THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing number 30?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: Defer to the Court, your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello.
JUROR: How are you?
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THE COURT: Fine. And you?
JUROR: Good.
THE COURT: What is your number?
JUROR: 35.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: Okay, then. And what is the problem?
JUROR: Twofold. I'm supposed to start therapy on my
right knee right after Memorial Day. And then I have cataract
surgery planned for mid June.
THE COURT: Okay. Well, good luck with all of that.
Would you tell me your number one more time.
JUROR: Sure. 35.
THE COURT: Okay. All righty. So you may step back.
JUROR: Thank you, Judge.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing
number 35?
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. Your number?
JUROR: 83.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: ; F, as in Frank.
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THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I have Parkinson's disease. And I didn't find
an excuse for it, because I think I can serve; it just seemed
that I need to take medication every three or four hours, and I
thought you should know.
THE COURT: So would the medication interfere with
your ability to focus and stay alert?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: So it's just a question of your having a
break to take the medication?
JUROR: Yes, and possibly some abnormal movement at
times. I'm well-medicated. I'm not a severe case. I thought
about would I get sleepy, I don't think so. So I'm not baiting
to be excused. It would be your decision.
THE COURT: All right. Thank you. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: So I see no reason to excuse number 83.
MR. FINKEL: We agree.
MR. KAMARAJU: We agree, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello, what is your number?
JUROR: 59.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
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JUROR: I just suffer from anxiety. Going to a
therapist once a month and I take medication twice a day. So
just the thought of -- I don't know. I just get anxious, so --
THE COURT: So are you saying that serving as a juror
is going to make your condition worse?
JUROR: Correct. Correct.
I also traveled extensively for my job; so two months
is like -- I can't even imagine that. It would just impact me
financially.
THE COURT: So it would be a financial hardship?
JUROR: Absolutely.
THE COURT: All righty, sir. You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing number 59?
MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: We defer, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. Go ahead.
Is that it? All right. We'll go back.
(In open court)
THE COURT: Do any of you have any trouble
understanding or reading English?
All righty. If you would come up please.
Counsel.
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(At sidebar)
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 20.
THE COURT: 20. And what is your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I can speak, but I don't understand everything
and writing. So I don't want to be a judgment in something
that I don't understand everything.
THE COURT: Have you understood everything that I've
been saying?
JUROR: Yeah. Not everything, but I get it.
THE COURT: You're saying you've understood most of
what I said.
JUROR: Yeah. I can defend myself speaking, not
writing or understanding. I want to be honest.
THE COURT: Thank you.
JUROR: You know?
THE COURT: You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing number 20?
MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
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THE COURT: Okay.
(In open court)
THE COURT: If a witness testifies in another language
that you know, and an interpreter translates the testimony,
would any of you not be able to rely exclusively on the
interpreter's translation of the testimony?
Step up, please.
(At sidebar)
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Would you come closer.
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: And what is your number?
JUROR: 19.
THE COURT: And do you speak another language?
JUROR: I speak a few, yeah.
THE COURT: And what languages are those?
JUROR: Russian, Dutch, German, Afrikaans and Hebrew.
THE COURT: All righty. So my question was whether if
someone is a witness and speaking one of these languages that
you know, other than English, and an interpreter is
interpreting, could you rely exclusively on the interpretation
given by the interpreter?
JUROR: I probably could, but I'm not likely to do
that. Because especially when it comes to technical terms that
I understand, perhaps that have not been interpreted correctly,
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I think I'll attribute certain importance to my understanding
of the direct testimony that I heard.
THE COURT: So you're saying you would favor your own
understanding.
JUROR: Absolutely. I'm not going to disregard it.
But to the extent it's not interpreted in a way that makes
sense in my understanding, I'll just attribute -- I'll just
interpret it in context, irrespective of the technical
interpretation, especially when it comes to securities fraud.
THE COURT: So suppose I told you that you must accept
the interpretation offered by the interpreter. Would you be
able to follow that instruction?
JUROR: 100 percent.
THE COURT: So you would be able to put aside your
understanding of the language?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Do you speak Mandarin?
JUROR: I do not.
THE COURT: Okay. If you would step back, please.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: So I think he was rehabilitated.
Is there any objection that is remaining?
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
MS. SHROFF: Not from us.
THE COURT: All right then.
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(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello, sir. What is your number?
JUROR: 80.
THE COURT: Number 80?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay. One moment, please.
And if you would tell me your name.
JUROR: .
THE COURT: Do you speak another language?
JUROR: I'm Italian.
THE COURT: And do you know any language in addition
to Italian?
JUROR: Italian, English, and a little bit of Spanish.
THE COURT: So if a person testifies at the trial
through an interpreter, would you be able to follow the
interpreter's translation exclusively?
JUROR: There are a lot of euphemisms in Italian that
can't really be translated; so it would be difficult for me to
disregard my knowledge of the language and culture when
someone -- things like that.
THE COURT: So if I told you that I don't expect any
Italian-speaking witnesses --
JUROR: Then it should be fine.
THE COURT: And if there are no -- let's talk about
Spanish. Do you feel the same way about Spanish as you do
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about Italian?
JUROR: I'm definitely less knowledgeable, but I do
know certain phrases that are not really translatable, and it's
more about cultural significance to them.
THE COURT: So if someone were to testify in Spanish —
and let's say that you didn't agree with the translation
offered by the interpreter — would you be able to follow --
JUROR: It would be difficult, but I could try.
THE COURT: Okay.
Are there any other languages that you know?
JUROR: That's it.
THE COURT: Do you know Mandarin?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: All right. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to his remaining?
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, as long as he can follow the
Court's instructions to listen to the interpreter and not the
witnesses, there's no objection from the government.
THE COURT: We're not expecting any Italians or
Spanish-speaking people?
MS. MURRAY: We do have Italian and Spanish-speaking
witnesses, but they are expected to testify in English.
There's just a standby interpreter, particularly for the
Spanish-speaking witnesses, in case they need help with
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technical terms.
THE COURT: So is there any objection to his
remaining?
MR. FINKEL: No.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, could we just have one
second?
THE COURT: Yes.
(Counsel conferred)
MS. SHROFF: Thank you, your Honor.
We have no objection.
THE COURT: Any other languages that you expect?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.
THE COURT: His number was?
MS. SHROFF: 80.
THE COURT: Okay. So he'll remain. Very good.
Oh, we have one other?
THE LAW CLERK: Two more.
THE COURT: Two others?
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Sir, what is your number?
JUROR: 95.
THE COURT: And I had asked -- and your name, by the
way.
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And I had asked whether anybody knows
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another language; and if they do and a witness testifies
through an interpreter, if they could follow the interpreter's
translation exclusively.
JUROR: If the defendant or whoever is speaking
different language, in my specific case would be Korean, then I
would be understanding that language as well, whatever is
speaking. Then I will be naturally considering that as I
understand the language.
THE COURT: Other than Korean, is there any other
language that you know?
JUROR: No, I don't.
THE COURT: Obviously English.
JUROR: Yes, English, of course.
THE COURT: Assuming that it's not Korean, you would
be able to follow my instruction that you must rely on the
interpreter's translation; is that correct?
JUROR: Yes, that's right.
THE COURT: All righty. Thank you.
You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: No Korean language speakers, right?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not that we're aware of.
THE COURT: No reason to excuse him.
THE LAW CLERK: We have one more after this.
THE COURT: After this one. Two?
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(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: 56.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And I had asked whether if someone
testifies in another language other than English, and if you
happen to know that language, would you be able to rely
exclusively on the translation that is offered by the
interpreter?
JUROR: I'm trying to understand the question, that's
why I stood in line.
So somebody talks in language that I understand, but
there's a translator, will I be able to rely on the translator
or on the person who testifies in the language that I know?
THE COURT: So if I instruct you that you must rely on
the interpreter, despite the fact that you know the language --
JUROR: I see.
THE COURT: -- would you be able to do that?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay.
And what languages other than English do you know?
JUROR: Russian.
THE COURT: Okay. So you don't know Spanish?
JUROR: No.
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THE COURT: Not Italian?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Not Mandarin?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: All right. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: I see no reason to excuse her.
MR. FINKEL: The government agrees.
THE COURT: Okay.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello there. What number are you?
Okay. 53. And what is your name.
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And your last name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: Do you know any languages other than
English?
JUROR: Yes. Czech, Slovak, Polish, Russian, German
little bit, little bit Spanish.
THE COURT: So if someone testifies in Spanish through
an interpreter, would you be able to rely on the translation
offered by the interpreter instead of your own knowledge of
Spanish?
JUROR: My main concern is I work with interpreters
and I'm really concerned that using the interpreters, I know
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how the nuances are often lost. And when I use the interpreter
and someone else uses -- asking similar questions, the nuances
are sometimes different. And the answers of the person that
you're talking with might be different. And I use the
interpreter on a daily basis; so I kind of have the experience
that asking questions with the interpreter, somebody else ask
similar questions and get different answers. Because sometimes
the nuances are lost.
THE COURT: So are you saying that you do not have
faith?
JUROR: Well, for basics, yes; but for details, no.
THE COURT: And so if you were a juror and the
interpreter was interpreting in a language that you do not
know, then would you --
JUROR: Well, that's -- I don't know, because I would
not be able to totally rely on that. Because I know that
sometimes things could be missed with this.
THE COURT: Okay.
And you are number 53; is that correct?
JUROR: 53.
THE COURT: All right. You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing her?
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
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MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor. Thank you.
THE LAW CLERK: That's it, Judge.
THE COURT: That's it?
Okay. Let's go back.
(In open court)
THE COURT: The trial in this case is estimated to
last about seven weeks; that is, approximately until July 12th
of this year. We will not be in session on federal holidays,
nor will court be in session on the following days:
Monday, May 27th; Wednesday, June 19th; Friday, June
28th; Monday, July 1st; Thursday, July 4th; and Friday, July
5th. I'm just going to repeat those dates. We will not be in
session on Monday, May 27th; Wednesday, June 19th; Friday, June
28th; Monday, July 1st; Thursday, July 4th; and Friday, July
5th.
Keeping in mind your civic duty to serve as a juror,
is there anything about the length of the trial that would make
it an extreme hardship for you to serve as a juror?
(At sidebar)
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Sir, what is your number?
JUROR: Number one.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: What's the problem?
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JUROR: I have a small business, and this would cause
me a great deal of harm. I was explaining to the person up
front when I came in that I was -- you know, even for a short
trial, it would be detrimental to me.
THE COURT: You're saying it would be a financial
hardship?
JUROR: I mean, in every way: To my business, to
financial. Yeah, I'm all but a one man band. I have just one
other person working with me and I'm over my head.
THE COURT: All right then. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing him?
MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: Seven.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I'm an HR director for the Department of
Education. So right now -- we just had the budget. And right
now we're staffing. And I have to make sure that there's
summer school and staffing for September.
So a lot of my directors are calling me. I should
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have been in a meeting today. I wasn't aware that I couldn't
bring my computer, because I didn't know. So I thought I was
going to be able to do some work here. Apparently, I cannot
use my computer.
THE COURT: What would happen, God forbid, if you were
hit by a truck today?
JUROR: Right. They would have somebody there to
cover for me, you're right.
THE COURT: So there are other people who can perform
your work?
JUROR: Yeah. But, like, seven weeks is a long time.
And we just -- I just -- we just hired a new HRD who I was
training; and she's the one that I was training for this role.
She's new. I'm in district one and two, she's in district two.
She just got there. And I was supporting her. And now I'm not
there. So I told her to, like, you know, make sure she can
take some of my calls. And when I get back to the office, I'm
going to, you know, address some of the issues.
THE COURT: Is she the person who would fill in if you
were completely unavailable?
JUROR: Yeah. She just started. Yes, she's my cover
right now. She's covering for me right now that I'm here.
THE COURT: Did you hire her?
JUROR: We hired her, yes, the committee.
THE COURT: So everyone thought she was very
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competent; is that right?
JUROR: Yes, that's correct.
THE COURT: Okay. So it could be that she could
perform the job maybe with some difficulty?
JUROR: Yeah.
THE COURT: All right. You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: I don't see any reason to excuse No. 7.
MR. FINKEL: Government agrees.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, I think that -- I honestly --
she's not going to be -- it's going to come back is that she
clearly says this is the school period where the time slot is
the most necessary for her presence. And I just think that
given her -- given what she said, eventually we're going to
have the same problem with her. Because unfortunately, it's
the break, it's the school break these months, these weeks. So
our position would be we should excuse her for cause, but
that's our position.
THE COURT: Okay. So I disagree. She said that she
has someone who is new, but who would take over if she were
completely unavailable. So I'm not going to excuse No. 7.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello, sir. Would you tell me your
number.
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JUROR: No. 6.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: Seven weeks is a long time. I have a
single-income household and I work a lot of overtime to keep up
with the bills. I also have my son's graduation, vacation
plans. And the boys also play baseball, so a lot of
tournaments.
THE COURT: So will you be paid if you serve as a
juror? Is your salary going to continue?
JUROR: Oh, yes, I'd be paid. But also I'm not
working the overtime. That's always available to me.
THE COURT: So what portion of your income would you
be losing?
JUROR: At least 30 percent.
THE COURT: And would that be a financial hardship for
you and your family?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: All right. You can step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing No.
6?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense.
MR. FINKEL: We defer to your Honor's judgment.
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THE COURT: All righty. No. 6 is excused.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: Nine.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: What is the problem?
JUROR: Well, I have an eight-year-old, and my husband
and I watch him. We work hybrid schedules, and we're going to
have a problem with daycare and he's going to need to take off.
And he might lose his job because we don't have someone to
watch our son.
THE COURT: So you know that we're meeting only
between 9:30 and 2:45?
JUROR: I understand that.
THE COURT: Isn't that generally the time when your
son would be in school or at camp?
JUROR: So I live in northern Westchester. It would
take me an hour and a half to get there. There are days when
he has off that are not holidays. The school is just closed.
And he's heading into camp. And the camp hours are different.
They end at 4. And I don't know if we'll be there to pick him
up or if it's going to be challenging.
THE COURT: So you feel that the schedule -- your
son's schedule will not permit you to be here between 9:30 and
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2:45, is that it?
JUROR: That's correct.
THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing her?
MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, no.
I just note that obviously everyone is going to have a
problem sitting on the jury for a trial this long. And I defer
to your Honor's judgment about the amount of hardship with this
particular juror. And more generally, that's the government's
concern.
THE COURT: Well, I'm asking you if you're objecting.
MR. FINKEL: Not objecting.
THE COURT: You're not objecting.
What was that number again?
MS. SHROFF: Nine.
THE COURT: All right. No. 9 is excused. Let's go.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: 13.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
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JUROR: I have -- I'm a maid of honor at a wedding out
of town on June 27th. So if it can go until June 27th, that's
great, just after July --
THE COURT: So when would you have to leave then?
JUROR: The 27th.
THE COURT: You'd have to leave on the 27th. And when
would you be returning?
JUROR: July 9th.
THE COURT: So that period between the 27th and the
9th --
JUROR: It's on the west coast.
THE COURT: -- you must be away.
JUROR: Yeah.
THE COURT: All right, then. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
MS. SHROFF: I think we should keep her; I need the
break.
THE COURT: I think that won't work, so I'm going to
excuse No. 13. No objection; correct?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us.
MR. FINKEL: Correct.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. Your number?
JUROR: 12.
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
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JUROR: So I'm head of investor relations. I don't
know the company -- if I can -- head of investor relations for
the Middleby Corporation. And I have four investor events that
are coming up that require me to be at, because we already had
the meetings arranged to meet with investors, the hotels have
been booked, and so that's within the next month.
THE COURT: So when are those meetings?
JUROR: I have one next Thursday, I have one June 6th,
and the other one is -- I think is right -- no, June 10th, and
there's one a week before that, so I think it's like June 3rd
or so.
THE COURT: So what would happen if you were hit by a
truck?
JUROR: Well, I mean, the meetings would be canceled.
But my fear is that if this doesn't happen, I mean, I could
lose my job, honestly.
THE COURT: So are you saying that there's no one at
your investment firm that could --
JUROR: It's not an investment firm, it's a company.
So I'm head of investor relations; so I'm meeting with
investors at these conferences.
THE COURT: So you're looking for them to make some
sort of equity contribution, is that it?
JUROR: Not necessarily, but maybe buy the stock.
THE COURT: Buy the stock, okay.
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JUROR: Right.
THE COURT: And so if you could not be there to
cultivate those relationships, who would go in your stead?
JUROR: CFO maybe.
THE COURT: The CFO could go.
JUROR: Maybe.
THE COURT: All right. Okay.
All righty. You may step back, sir.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: So I don't see any reason to excuse him.
MR. FINKEL: Government agrees.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, the first answer he gave was
if you couldn't go, what would happen, he said, I would have to
cancel the meeting.
THE COURT: Right. But then he just said the CFO can
step in.
MS. SHROFF: I understand that he said maybe the CFO
could step in. And then he said it would be an immense
financial hardship.
THE COURT: I didn't hear the financial hardship
piece.
MR. SCHIRICK: I thought he said, your Honor, he would
lose his job.
MS. SHROFF: He said he would lose his job. I'm
sorry.
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THE COURT: Let's bring him back.
What number was he, by the way?
MR. FINKEL: 12.
THE LAW CLERK: 12.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Sir, you said that you might lose your
job. Why is that?
JUROR: I feel that because that -- I feel if I don't
go to these events because I'm the one that arranged them, I
have the meetings already arranged, maybe someone could step in
for me, but I would get a sense that -- that they would feel --
that almost like a letdown in a way somewhat.
THE COURT: So you're saying -- are these the
higher-ups, people that are senior?
JUROR: Yeah. The CEO, CFO, yeah. It would be
because it would put them in a bind as well.
THE COURT: And those meetings can't be rescheduled?
JUROR: No, no. Because the event is set and the
meetings are set. And so they are not -- it's an event that we
don't arrange, that's arranged by a bank or banks. And these
meetings are already set, so there's no way to move them.
THE COURT: Okay. You can step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Well, it sounds like he has less control
over the process than I originally thought.
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MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, appears to work for a company
large enough to have a C-suite, including a chief financial
officer and chief executive officer. The trial, as the Court
noted, will end every day at 2:45.
Everyone is going to be putting their jobs to the side
and fulfilling their civic duty and sitting on a jury in this
case. They would be able to help and communicate with the
people that he works with in the investment firm after a trial
day. I don't believe that what he has said is reason to excuse
him for cause at this time.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, he specifically said the
meetings are out of town. He said his flight is booked and his
hotels are booked. It's not one meeting, it's several
meetings. Meetings don't occur after 3:45 on a workday;
meetings occur during the day.
He specifically said he didn't arrange these meetings.
These are conferences that were set up by banks and other
people. And he's the person who has liaised with the people
that are planning to be there for him.
So I do not think this is an issue of civic duty of
putting things aside; this is a person who has detailed why
he's asking to be excused. I think that there is a genuine
concern on his part that he's letting down the people that
hired him. And for those reasons, we should not treat him any
differently than any other people who have asked to -- I wasn't
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finished.
THE COURT: I'm sorry. Go ahead.
MS. SHROFF: No, no, I was -- I mean, he said he's --
he detailed -- we didn't even ask him where he's supposed to
travel to. So he has travel and hotels booked for himself.
And he's the one who's the person who liaised with the client.
THE COURT: So he did say that the CFO would step in.
I'm not going to excuse him.
Anybody else?
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Juror number please?
JUROR: 18.
THE COURT: And what is the issue?
I'm sorry, your name again.
JUROR: .
MR. FINKEL: Sorry, 18? Thank you.
JUROR: So I have travel plans. I am taking my
grandmother home to Denmark on the 28th of June.
THE COURT: That's wonderful.
Okay. All righty. Enjoy your grandmother.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: All right. We'll excuse No. 18.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello, your number, please?
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JUROR: 17.
THE COURT: And your name please?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: Tomorrow I have a major job interview that
I've been working towards for over a year with my company that
I work for. I also have a funeral for my grandpa in June, and
I'll be traveling for around two weeks.
THE COURT: So is this a memorial service?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And so when is that? What day is that?
JUROR: It's from around June 15th to the end of June.
THE COURT: All right. But there's one service, isn't
there?
JUROR: Yeah, but it's in Sweden, so I have to travel
to Sweden.
THE COURT: I see. All righty.
If you'll step back.
(Juror not present)
MR. KAMARAJU: Consecutive jurors who travel to
Sweden?
THE COURT: Denmark. It's a Norwegian day, I guess.
MR. KAMARAJU: Are we going to have Norwegian speakers
at the trial?
MR. FINKEL: I don't think so.
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THE COURT: What number is he again?
MS. SHROFF: 17.
THE COURT: He's excused.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. What is your number?
JUROR: 25.
THE COURT: Okay. Go ahead.
JUROR: I own my own business with one other employee.
So being away for seven weeks would be quite a bit for me to be
away from because it's only me and her. I also have prepaid
travel plans already starting June 14th.
THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: And my dad is also 82, and I have to take care
of him as well.
THE COURT: All right. You can step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: He's already excused.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: If you would just tell me your number,
please.
JUROR: Sorry. No. 26.
THE COURT: Your name, please.
JUROR: My name is .
So I was just recently diagnosed with skin cancer. So
I had an operation about nine days ago. I didn't think it was
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going to be a big deal, but there's no way I can sit through
seven weeks. I have to go back and forth. So it's -- sitting
through seven weeks, I have follow-up appointments. I mean,
it's skin cancer. They think they got most of it, but there's
just no way I can sit through seven weeks with a skin cancer
diagnosis.
THE COURT: So is it that you need to go to the
doctors' appointments?
JUROR: Yeah, I have doctors' appointments,
follow-ups.
THE COURT: Okay. So if you had these appointments in
the afternoon, after we finish --
JUROR: Psychologically, I mean, I was just
recently -- this is something that came out of nowhere. So a
week ago Monday I went and I had skin cancer, carcinoma. They
removed a big gash here in my leg. So I'm still dealing with
that. To be coming down here for seven weeks on top of
everything else, I just don't think I can handle that.
THE COURT: Are you saying that you would be
distracted by your medical condition?
JUROR: I would be distracted by my medical condition,
yes. I'm still trying to get over it, but --
THE COURT: All right, sir. I hope you feel better.
You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
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(Juror not present)
THE COURT: All righty. Number?
MS. SHROFF: 26.
THE COURT: All right. He is excused, I assume
without objection.
MR. KAMARAJU: None from us, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay. Sorry about that.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 24.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I'm currently on a project that I'm overseeing
that I need to bring to completion during this time for my job.
I don't control the schedule of this project.
In addition, I've been working on the project for over
a year. If I don't see the project to completion, I don't get
paid at all because I have a deferred salary.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: What is the nature of the project?
JUROR: It's a film production.
THE COURT: And there's a deadline?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And what's that deadline?
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JUROR: Well, I need -- we have to picture lock the
film by July 4th; quickly then I move into the sound mix for
the following two weeks. So between now and July 4th, I need
to be involved on a daily basis on this project. I need to be
present in screenings; I need to be present for the entire
sound mix. It's not a possibility for me to change this.
THE COURT: What is your title?
JUROR: I am producer.
THE COURT: And is this a feature film?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: So if you got hit by a car, what would
happen?
JUROR: They would replace me. I wouldn't get paid.
I would be dead. They would replace me.
THE COURT: So you're saying that if you're not
present, it would be a financial hardship.
JUROR: Yes. I'd lose over $100,000 in deferred
salary from this film if I don't -- if I do not bring the film
to completion.
THE COURT: Your number again?
JUROR: 24.
THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: No objection to his being excused?
MR. KAMARAJU: No.
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MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
THE LAW CLERK: Judge, 22 so far.
THE COURT: Oh, okay. We're good.
MR. KAMARAJU: Always an optimist, your Honor.
THE COURT: That is right. That is right.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. Your number, please.
JUROR: 38.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: What's the last name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: So I'm graduating within the next two weeks.
So I really would rather not miss my graduation. And after
that, my parents will work full-time, and I'm one of the
caretakers for my ten-year old sister. And I need to be there
to, like, pick her up from school and make sure that she's fed
and such.
THE COURT: And so what degree are you going to get?
JUROR: A bachelor's.
THE COURT: Bachelor's. And when is the graduation?
JUROR: It's next week. And the ceremony is after to
celebrate awards and such.
THE COURT: And are you saying that you care for your
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sister 100 percent, there's no other person that they can rely
on?
JUROR: There are other -- I have another family
member who can, but it's -- she's still -- she's young, she's
not -- she's still younger, she's 19 years old. And I don't
want that burden to be entirely on her.
THE COURT: So what is the date of the graduation?
JUROR: May 28th.
THE COURT: May 28th.
And then you say there's something else that you have
to go to?
JUROR: That is optional. I can probably work around
that. But mostly it's just making sure I make it to that, and
then just taking care of my sister.
THE COURT: So if you are able to go to the graduation
on May 28th, then your commitments to the school would be
satisfied; is that correct?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And then you say that there's someone else
who can take care of your sister, although it's not preferable,
is that what you're telling me?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: All right, then. You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
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THE COURT: All right. Are we off on the 28th?
MS. MURRAY: No, that's next Tuesday.
MS. SHROFF: I made the same mistake. I was all
excited.
THE COURT: All right. So what do you want to do?
MS. SHROFF: You know, let her go to her awards
ceremony. We're in good shape with numbers.
MR. FINKEL: Graduation is important.
THE COURT: All right, then. 38, was it?
All right. No. 38 is excused.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 37.
THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: So basically, like, I'm door-knocking for a
political candidate. And the primary is on the 25th. And
whether she wins or loses, I might be out of a job.
And on top of that, if it's, like, eight to ten weeks
for pay and the trial is seven weeks, I'm not going to have any
money coming in. And I won't be able to pay my credit card or
pay for my cat's health, like the cat insurance.
THE COURT: So you're saying this would be a financial
hardship for you?
JUROR: A really bad one.
THE COURT: All right.
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JUROR: There's one more thing I need to raise.
THE COURT: Go ahead.
JUROR: I don't want to sound mean or anything, but
when I heard that the defendant does like crypto stuff, I'm
kind of like really opposed to any crypto stuff at all. I kind
of think they are nontrustworthy. They run scams. I would be
really biased. I don't think I can move past it at all. I've
heard a lot about things that happen with these, I'm sorry.
THE COURT: No, that's all right.
All right. I appreciate your candor.
You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: We've already excused her.
MR. KAMARAJU: We don't have an objection.
MR. FINKEL: To excusing her again? Neither do we.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. What is your number? 39?
JUROR: Yeah.
THE COURT: Okay. What is your name?
JUROR: My name is .
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: I have a ten-year old who I am solely
responsible for getting to and from school every day. My
spouse works overnights till 8 a.m., and sleeps during the day.
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Once school ends, I'm it. I'm his summer camp until August,
when his actual summer camp starts. We don't have family in
the area. A lot of people have family help; we don't have
that. I live in northern Westchester. It took me two hours to
get here. I'm all my kid has until August. Also, we have a
family vacation planned the week of 4th of July on top of all
that.
THE COURT: All righty.
JUROR: So that's it.
THE COURT: Thank you for letting me know.
JUROR: And I'm a nervous wreck now not having my cell
phone. I'm his emergency contact as well.
THE COURT: All right. I understand.
You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: No. 39, is there any objection to my
excusing No. 39?
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: 41.
THE COURT: What is the problem?
JUROR: Well, I have an immediate scheduling issue.
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I'm scheduled to fly out of New York to San Francisco for a
conference on Tuesday afternoon. And I'm not planning to
return from California until June 8th.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: My name .
THE COURT: And why do you need to go to the
conference?
JUROR: It's a caregiver conference and it's part of
my -- I'm the CEO of a small company, and I was invited to
attend the conference.
THE COURT: So is it something that you're required to
do?
JUROR: I'm not required, but it would require a lot
of moving around to change it.
I also have a ticket -- confirmed ticket, which is
nonrefundable, to leave the country on June 21st and not
returning until July 1st.
THE COURT: And where are you going?
JUROR: To Ireland.
THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: And then just the last thing is that I run a
small company. I'm CEO. We have six employees. And so, you
know, I can be gone for a little bit, but to be out without any
communication during the day, during working hours for that
long would definitely be problematic.
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THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing her?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Was that 41?
MS. SHROFF: Yes.
THE COURT: All right, then.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there.
If you'll tell me your number, please.
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: 23. And your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: What is the problem?
JUROR: My father is in Hospice, he's 97. I'm his
only child and primary caretaker for him. I came because I
thought I would probably have to serve for two weeks, but seven
weeks would not be possible. If something happens, I'm the
only one.
THE COURT: I'm sorry to hear about your dad.
All righty. Don't worry, you may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: She was?
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MS. SHROFF: 23.
THE COURT: Okay. So she is excused without
objection; correct?
MR. FINKEL: Yes, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU: Yes, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. If you'll tell me your number,
please.
JUROR: 21.
THE COURT: And your name.
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I'm going to be away next Thursday and Friday.
And I work in a hospital in their IT department, so it would be
hard for me to take off that much time.
THE COURT: And so what hospital do you work at?
JUROR: Montefiore.
THE COURT: So that's a big, big hospital with many,
many, many employees. And I imagine that you're not the only
IT person there; am I correct?
JUROR: No. No. I mean yes, sorry, you're correct.
THE COURT: Okay. So they would be able to find
somebody to fill in for you; is that correct?
JUROR: Yeah. I guess so.
THE COURT: And this going away that you talk about,
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is that something that is obligatory?
JUROR: I mean, yeah. I have my flights booked. It's
for a bachelorette party.
THE COURT: Your flights are booked?
JUROR: Yeah.
THE COURT: Okay. All righty. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing her?
MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor. We're not going to
ruin her bachelorette party.
THE COURT: All right. So she was 21. Okay.
(Juror present)
JUROR: Hello again, your Honor.
THE COURT: Hi there. Your number again?
JUROR: 19.
THE COURT: And what's the issue?
JUROR: There are a few.
So I'm going on holiday on Friday with my family.
Then I'm going to Germany at the end of June through July the
2nd for a major international sports event. We bought the
tickets, bought the plane ticket, reserved hotels. It's an
expense of approximately 5K.
Certainly a seven-week absence from my job would be
extremely detrimental to my employer due to the fact that they
will need to quickly, through some sort of fire drill, delegate
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authority, because currently I'm authorized to do certain
things. And quite a few affiliates in the U.S. and overseas
that, you know, other people are not authorized to do. And
incur legal fees in terms of expenses to substitute for my
presence there, that I would say -- I would estimate it to be,
for a seven-week period, something along the lines of 500,
600K.
THE COURT: What do you do?
JUROR: I'm a managing director and counsel at an
investment bank.
THE COURT: So you're an attorney?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Well, an investment bank can certainly
afford to find a substitute for you.
JUROR: I'm not saying that they couldn't. I'm just
saying they could find a substitute, but my team consists of
much more junior lawyers. And those lawyers are unable to
provide the same type of review and produce the same type of
documents without going to outside counsel. As I'm sure you
know, your Honor, outside counsel is quite expensive, since
we're talking about exalted products, derivatives, very
structured. It would cost them quite a lot.
So just to give you an idea, even if you need like a
memorandum, a legal memorandum, and hopefully the lawyers here
can attest to that, or just a summary or even a due diligence
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questionnaire to produce in connection with a certain M&A
transaction, merger and acquisition transaction, your Honor,
just that would cost like around 250, 300K.
THE COURT: So you also mentioned that you have an
event abroad; is that correct?
JUROR: Yeah, it's the Europe 2024 event, your Honor.
THE COURT: Did you buy your tickets already?
JUROR: I did. I did.
THE COURT: All righty. You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: No. 19.
Is there any objection to my excusing him?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: We don't object, your Honor.
Just to note it's possible that the trial is completed
by that point. It's possible, to the extent someone's travel
or someone's reason for being excused is because they maybe are
going away, for example, for July 4th, to the extent we're not,
that would be, from the government's perspective, a good time
for an alternate juror to step in.
So we don't object to this particular juror; I just
wanted to note that as we move forward.
THE COURT: Understood.
No. 19 is excused.
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(Juror present at sidebar)
THE COURT: What is your number?
JUROR: 42.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: Yeah, so I——just for context, I work in the
financial——for a financial technology company. I have to do
travel for that company, specifically over a week during the
middle of this period, which is going to be very hard to get
out of that trip because that's visiting one of our largest
customers. So that's the primary issue.
THE COURT: What is your role at the firm?
JUROR: I'm a sales leader, so I work with some of our
largest customers, and it's critical that I meet with those
customers. We have some scheduled meetings already set up on
the West Coast, and if I don't attend those meetings, it's
going to cause some hardship for my team.
THE COURT: So if you were hit by a truck and other
people at the firm needed to fill in for you, couldn't these
meetings take place?
JUROR: I presume, yes.
THE COURT: Okay. So you're not completely
indispensable.
JUROR: I don't think anybody is.
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THE COURT: Okay. Is there anything else you wanted
to say?
JUROR: Specific to——
THE COURT: My question, the question that I posed.
Sounds like you have nothing further to say, so you
can step back. Thank you.
JUROR: Okay.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: He was No.?
MS. SHROFF: 42.
THE COURT: I see no reason to excuse him.
MR. FINKEL: No objection.
MR. KAMARAJU: No objection.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 32.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: So I work with the NBA, and right now it's
post season, and we tend to travel for our finals and playoffs,
and right after that I'm going to have a medical procedure
during the down time, so——
THE COURT: And when is that scheduled for?
JUROR: It hasn't been scheduled yet because——I don't
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want to get too detailed, but it's basically IVF, and that
basically turns on, like, how your follicles are growing, so
I'm going to try to start the procedure right when I get back
from traveling from finals, and then it could last anywhere
from three to four weeks, the procedure.
THE COURT: So are you saying that you have scheduled
it during this time because——
JUROR: Because my——because once the season ends, I
have about two or three months to kind of get everything in
order before the season begins again, September.
THE COURT: Okay. You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing her?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay. So that's No. 32.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What number are you?
JUROR: 31.
THE COURT: And your name, please?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I have two young children. I've organized
child care for the next two weeks after 5:00. I don't have it
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available to me after that time. It's just——I won't be able to
make it work with the numbers.
THE COURT: All righty. You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 31?
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. What number are you?
JUROR: 33.
THE COURT: And?
JUROR: Mine is, 24th through 27th, I have my cousin
coming in from the UK for a prepaid vacation, and I need
time——I need like a day to see if she can move it without any
penalties.
THE COURT: You're saying that you could contact her——
JUROR: If I have my phone, though.
THE COURT: During the lunch break you could try to
get ahold of her and see whether she can change her schedule.
JUROR: Well, can we move it. I might need till
tomorrow morning. Yes. That's when——
THE COURT: You're saying maybe by tomorrow morning
you would have an answer?
JUROR: Yes, yes.
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THE COURT: But it might even be sooner than that?
JUROR: If I can get my phone. 'Cause she's over in
London, so we've got the time change difference, so I just need
to know can she push it and are there any penalties associated
with it. Is that all right?
THE COURT: Okay. So you'll make that inquiry and
you'll come back to me.
JUROR: I will. Yes, I will.
THE COURT: All right. Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE LAW CLERK: Next one?
THE COURT: Yes.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. What number are you?
JUROR: 43.
THE COURT: Say again?
JUROR: 43.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: I'm a single mom. I have two children. I
have no financial help or no one to help me with them, so I
need to work.
THE COURT: Are you saying it would be a financial
hardship for you to——
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JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: ——be a juror?
JUROR: Yes. I have something else, but I don't know
if you want me to tell you now or wait.
THE COURT: Go ahead.
JUROR: When I was growing up, my father was in
federal prison for 20 years for some of the similar crimes, tax
evasion, insurance fraud.
THE COURT: Okay. Thank you. Thank you for telling
us. All righty. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing
No. 43?
MR. KAMARAJU: We'd love to keep her, your Honor, but
no.
THE COURT: Okay. Okay.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What's your number?
JUROR: 45.
THE COURT: And what's your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I've got three kids at home——a 2-year-old, a
4-year-old, and a 9-year-old——and my husband and I being their
primary caregivers, like, have coordinated our schedules to
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cover them, and then also the school calendar, and it doesn't
help that.
THE COURT: Understood. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 45?
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: 58.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I'm a physical therapist, and we're extremely
short staffed where I live, and ultimately my patients just
won't be able to get serviced for care for the next seven
weeks.
THE COURT: So who do you work for?
JUROR: Ivy Rehab.
THE COURT: And where is that?
JUROR: We have 600 locations, but I work in
Westchester, in the Harrison location.
THE COURT: So if you were hit by a truck, what would
happen?
JUROR: We would have——we would have an even longer
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wait list to get in for physical therapy, and patients,
unfortunately, would be in pain.
THE COURT: So essentially your exclusive concern is
the fact that you're short staffed.
JUROR: Mm-hmm.
THE COURT: Is that a yes?
JUROR: Yes. Sorry.
THE COURT: But if the facility was adequately
staffed, you would have no problem serving.
JUROR: Yeah, absolutely. I believe in servicing the
community in which I operate. This is what I wake up and do
every day.
THE COURT: You my step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: I don't see a reason to dismiss her.
MR. FINKEL: The government agrees.
MS. SHROFF: Honestly, your Honor, I can't tell the
difference between her or somebody else who couldn't be here
because they had child care issues. It's the same thing. I
mean——
THE COURT: No. You have an obligation to take care
of your children, and if your children aren't taken care of,
there's a safety concern there. But this is about somebody who
has a broken ankle and can't get the physical therapy within
the time period that they desire. They may have to go to a
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different physical therapist.
Okay. Let's have the next person.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What's your number?
JUROR: 60, your Honor.
THE COURT: 60?
JUROR: 60.
THE COURT: Your name, please?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I just graduated with my master's in software
engineering and I'm job searching, and I'm worried that the
time spent here would delay my finding a role at a company. So
the process is pretty lengthy. It requires a couple hours, two
to four hours usually of technical——technical assessments for
interviews at these companies, and so for each one, that's a
significant amount of time, plus prepping for these
assessments, plus actually applying to the roles and writing
cover letters. It's really a full-time job.
THE COURT: So what would happen if you simply could
not devote yourself to that during this time period?
JUROR: Well, I'm worried that I won't be able to find
a position as summer openings happen and it will delay my entry
into the field.
THE COURT: And if that happens?
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JUROR: I won't be able to move out of my parents'
house and go out and find an apartment, I won't be able to
start my career.
THE COURT: So this, you're saying, would disrupt your
plan to get a job within a certain time period and to move out
of your parents' house within a certain time period; is that
correct?
JUROR: Yes, ma'am.
THE COURT: All right. You can step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: I do not think that is a ground for cause
dismissal. Is there any disagreement?
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU: No.
THE COURT: Okay. Let's get the next one.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What number are you?
JUROR: 27.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: So I have been unemployed since the end of
January. I'm just now starting up a new job. Seven weeks
leaves me seven weeks almost no money, not enough to pay my
bills. Financial hardship probably would be too much for me.
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THE COURT: All right. So you'll step back. Thank
you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 27?
MR. KAMARAJU: No.
MR. FINKEL: No.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: What is your number?
JUROR: 28.
THE COURT: 28. And your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: It's going to cost me too much money to travel
for this.
THE COURT: Where do you live?
JUROR: Monsey.
THE COURT: So you're saying it's too expensive for
you.
JUROR: It's going to cost me a hundred dollars a day
traveling.
THE COURT: So what kind of transportation do you use,
sir?
JUROR: I take Monsey Trails, and then I get a taxi
here.
THE COURT: I'm sorry. I didn't understand. First
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you take what?
JUROR: A local community bus.
THE COURT: So there are buses that come from Rockland
County to the Port Authority, and then you could take a train
from the Port Authority downtown.
JUROR: I won't be able to——I got to take——I got to
take a cab to the bus.
THE COURT: Okay. And——
JUROR: And then the bus and the train.
THE COURT: Okay. So you're saying that the cab fare
from your home to the bus station——
JUROR: And then the bus station——
THE COURT: You're saying that that's too expensive
for you.
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Tell me your number again?
JUROR: 28.
THE COURT: Okay. You can step back. You can step
back.
JUROR: Leave?
THE LAW CLERK: No, sir. Go back to your seat. Thank
you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing
No. 28?
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MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: My number is 35.
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: I am a lawyer for the financial institution
AIG, and in all likelihood, on May 28th, it will be announced
that I get to retire, so that gives me between——that gives me
between May 28th and June 30 to clear out my docket, assign it
to other people, etc., etc. To not be here while I can do
that——June 30th will be my retirement date.
THE COURT: What is the nature of your work?
JUROR: I'm an in-house litigator.
THE COURT: And so if you were here as a juror, are
you saying that you would be distracted by this obligation to
clear out your docket?
JUROR: Yeah. I've got to assign——I've got to assign
the cases to other folks and I've got to close the matters that
I'm working on.
THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you, Judge.
(Juror not present)
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, I think you excused No. 35
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before.
THE COURT: Yes. I forgot about that. Yeah.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: What is your number?
JUROR: 53.
THE COURT: What's the problem?
JUROR: Me and my husband are both from Czech
Republic, from Europe, and in June is my——end of June is my
father-in-law 80th birthday, and we were planning to visit, not
in June, but we're planning like early July. We don't have
yet, like, set-up date, but trying to coordinate with my
sister, with my sister-in-law, with my sister, with my——so
there's a lot of people that are involved, so we don't have the
set-up date, but we're planning early July, so——
THE COURT: All righty. Well, I hope you have a good
trip. You may step back.
JUROR: Yeah. Okay. The other——
THE COURT: It's fine. You can step back.
JUROR: Okay.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What number are you?
JUROR: 54.
THE COURT: What is your name, sir?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What is the problem?
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JUROR: If I don't work, I don't get paid on my job.
THE COURT: What do you do?
JUROR: I work for New York Power Authority security,
in White Plains.
THE COURT: So are you saying that this would be a
financial hardship?
JUROR: Big financial, yeah, but, you know, a big
financial.
THE COURT: Understood. You can step back.
JUROR: Okay. Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 54?
MS. SHROFF: No.
MR. FINKEL: No.
THE COURT: Wow. Seems like the line keeps on
growing.
THE LAW CLERK: We only put the first couple rows and
then the next couple rows, so we still have——
THE COURT: How are we doing numberwise?
THE LAW CLERK: I'll have to check.
(Next juror present at sidebar)
THE COURT: What is your number?
JUROR: Oh, 51.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
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THE COURT: If you would say that louder.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What's the problem?
JUROR: It's just really bad timing at work. I work
at an auction house and we have this big sale mid-July that if
I'm gone for the next seven weeks, I think it's going to be
really bad. I think they're going to get really mad at me.
THE COURT: What auction house do you work for?
JUROR: Phillips.
THE COURT: And if you were hit by a truck today,
somebody would be able to step into your role; isn't that true?
JUROR: Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm just——I know there's,
like, bigger problems, but it's just——there's——I think it
would——I think my boss would be really mad, and everyone else
too, but obviously, if it happens, it happens.
THE COURT: Okay. You can step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: All right. I don't see any reason to
excuse her.
THE LAW CLERK: The jury administrator wants to know
if and when we're breaking for lunch. There are apparently
some people who want to go out. We have 75 people downstairs
waiting.
THE COURT: Oh, the people downstairs can go.
(Next juror present)
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THE COURT: Hi. What's your number?
JUROR: 66.
THE COURT: And what's your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I have two issues. My work doesn't pay me for
the time off, and I can't afford to have seven weeks not
getting paid; and then I'm leaving for a two-week trip on
Friday.
THE COURT: So you're saying this would be a financial
hardship for you?
JUROR: Very much so, yes.
THE COURT: All right. You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 66?
MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What's your number?
JUROR: 65.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: Oh, XXXXXXXXXX. I have a family vacation
already scheduled. It's July 4th and we return back
August 24th.
THE COURT: And do you have plane tickets?
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JUROR: I can——when I have access to my phone, I can
forward them to you.
THE COURT: No. I'm saying you've scheduled the
flight.
JUROR: Yes, everything's been scheduled for.
THE COURT: All right. You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 65?
MR. FINKEL: The government objects. I think we'll be
done by July 4th, and if we're not, there will be an alternate.
MR. KAMARAJU: I don't think you can plan that way,
your Honor.
THE COURT: You gave me a certain time estimate, and
now you're kind of waffling, and so I don't feel comfortable.
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, I'm not waffling. Yesterday
I told the Court that we believe we'd certainly be done by
July 4th. That's still our belief. The defense case is,
according to yesterday's information, approximately four days.
The government's case, as we said yesterday, is four to five
weeks, trending towards four weeks. We'll be done by July 4th.
If we're not——
THE COURT: Well, you can make a representation we're
going to get it done by July 4th, instead of the wishy washy.
MR. FINKEL: So that is my belief, your Honor.
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THE COURT: Right. I need more than a belief in order
to make a schedule.
MR. KAMARAJU: Also, your Honor, we just told all
these people that it was going to be a seven-week trial.
THE COURT: No, that doesn't bother me. If he's now
willing to commit to being done by a certain day, then I have
the flexibility.
MR. FINKEL: So, your Honor, the only reason I can't
commit is because there are things outside my control——
THE COURT: Of course.
MR. FINKEL: ——including the defense case, the length
of cross. But if you're asking me for a good-faith
basis——good-faith estimate, does the government believe this
trial will be done by July 4th, yes, and to the extent it's
not, which I acknowledge is a possibility, the government's
view would be that at that point, if this juror makes it, an
alternate can take their place. So the government objects, but
of course understands it will be the Court's prerogative how to
proceed on this issue.
MR. KAMARAJU: We don't object.
THE COURT: You don't object.
MR. KAMARAJU: We don't object. We think the person
should be excused.
MS. SHROFF: I agree, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. I'm going to excuse that
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individual. Have the next one step up.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: 67.
THE COURT: What is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What is the problem?
JUROR: So three things. I've got personal trips
coming up, including this weekend, I leave on Friday, come back
on Tuesday. I have a business trip the following week. And
then the week of July 4th I'm gone as well on a family
vacation.
THE COURT: So do you have tickets already purchased?
JUROR: Yes, yes.
THE COURT: All right, sir. You can step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 67?
MR. KAMARAJU: No.
MR. FINKEL: No.
THE LAW CLERK: You've got like 40 excused.
THE COURT: All right. We're still good. We've got
another 75 downstairs.
MS. SHROFF: I renew my application to let No. 12 to
go to work. He was no different than anyone else. That poor
guy.
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(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. What is your number?
JUROR: 64.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What's the problem?
JUROR: I don't find it a problem, but I just realized
how long you said it would be, and I'm diabetic, so I know I
have at least four doctor's appointments during that time. So
I don't know if that's an issue. Also——
THE COURT: So we're going to be ending every day at
2:45, and so that does leave you time at the end of the day to
get to a doctor.
JUROR: So I could just change appointments or
something like that.
THE COURT: Correct.
JUROR: Okay. One more thing. I'm going away this
weekend and I won't be back till Wednesday.
THE COURT: Is that something for which you purchased
tickets?
JUROR: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
THE COURT: Flight?
JUROR: No, not flight, hotel. And they're going
to——if I don't, you know——if I don't go, they're going to
charge me a cancellation fee.
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THE COURT: I see. Okay.
JUROR: And it's only till Wednesday. So——
THE COURT: All right. You can step back.
JUROR: Okay. Thank you so much.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing her?
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: 55.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What is your last name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What is your problem?
JUROR: So I work for a temp agency right now, so I
got lucky, they gave me a long-term assignment, but they don't
pay out, like, jury duty things. They max three days. So then
seven weeks is a lot. And then since I do customer service,
they need people on the phone, so I don't know if my assignment
is being reassigned to somebody else, and I don't know, like,
what am I going to come back to?
THE COURT: So are you saying that this would be a
financial hardship for you?
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JUROR: Yeah. It's like I basically don't know if my
job is going to be there when I get back, 'cause, again, it's
like a temp agency, so——
THE COURT: Did you say 55 or 56?
JUROR: 55.
THE COURT: Okay, then. All right. You can step
back.
JUROR: Okay.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: No. 55, any objection to my excusing her?
MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: 57.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: So the week of June 22nd I have a wedding in
Cyprus.
THE COURT: So you have purchased tickets for the
wedding?
JUROR: Yeah. Nonrefundable.
THE COURT: Okay. Well, bon voyage.
JUROR: Thank you.
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THE COURT: Thank you. You may step back.
JUROR: Okay.
(Juror not present)
MR. KAMARAJU: Great travel plans.
THE COURT: No objection to my excusing her, correct?
MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: 74.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I am going to Kabul, leaving tomorrow, coming
back Tuesday; and then the main one is the last week in June,
I'm going away with my family and my boyfriend's family, where
a certain question might be asked, knock on wood.
THE COURT: Oh. Understood. All righty. You may
step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
MR. KAMARAJU: Good luck with that.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: No objection to my excusing No. 74?
MR. KAMARAJU: None here, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No.
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MR. KAMARAJU: My wife would kill me.
MS. SHROFF: You would regret that.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: 72.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What is the problem?
JUROR: I'm moving out of the state in the next month
to go to grad school.
THE COURT: Where are you going?
JUROR: I'm between Georgetown and Duke, but I'll know
next week.
THE COURT: Great.
JUROR: I just don't think I can commit seven weeks.
THE COURT: What are you going to study?
JUROR: Business.
THE COURT: Okay. All righty. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 72?
MR. FINKEL: No.
MR. KAMARAJU: No.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 71.
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THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR: My name is XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I'm a self-employed physical therapist. It
would be extreme financial hardship——and I'm having to relocate
my business by July 1st, so it would put an end to my business
to serve now. I'm sorry.
THE COURT: All righty. Good luck.
JUROR: Thank you so much.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 71?
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. Your number, please?
JUROR: 63.
THE COURT: Your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: The problem is that I'm supposed to, I think
Thursday——that's the 28th of June——go away with my girlfriend,
and I was planning on actually proposing to her that week.
THE COURT: Oh.
JUROR: So it would be a pretty big bummer if I had to
change that.
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THE COURT: Good luck to you.
JUROR: Thank you.
THE COURT: You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: All right. Then no objection to my
excusing No. 63.
THE LAW CLERK: Is his girlfriend in the jury venire?
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: I'm juror 62.
THE COURT: What is your name?
JUROR: First name XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: Your full name.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: So I know that our trial is seven weeks. I'm
getting married at the end of June. I also have——my fiancée is
pregnant with my firstborn. Her first doctor's appointment is
tomorrow. I work full-time as a registered nurse. And I see
that this is going to be seven weeks, and it's just not——I'm
already distressed that I'm already going through this, and
so——
THE COURT: Understood. Understood. You may step
back.
(Juror not present)
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THE COURT: This makes me feel very optimistic.
No. 62, any objection to my excusing him?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: Nor us, your Honor.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Your number?
JUROR: 48.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: I'm a New York City DOE teacher. I work with
students with disabilities, and I just feel like seven weeks
being away from them is going to hinder everything they've
learned so far this year and for the rest of the school year.
THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 48?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: 61.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
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JUROR: I'm an independent contractor working in TV
production, and to do seven weeks would be really hard. With
the rerun strike last year, it's a hardship. And I have a job
starting up around June 10th. Seven weeks for us is a long
time.
THE COURT: This would be a financial hardship.
JUROR: Both financial and time. I'm a producer. I
hire the crews that go onto the films.
THE COURT: Okay. All righty. Thank you. You may
step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing 61?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. Your number?
JUROR: 56.
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: So I'm a self-employed photographer, career.
I could serve. However, I have two trips planned, first week
of June and last week of July, overseas, work related.
THE COURT: Are you saying that you've already
purchased the tickets for that?
JUROR: Yes.
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THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: The June, yes; not the July.
THE COURT: Okay. You can step back.
JUROR: Okay.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 56?
MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: And your number, please.
JUROR: 68.
THE COURT: 68. And your name.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I have booked a family vacation June 5th,
Wednesday, until June 8th, Saturday, flight to Atlanta and
hotel room.
THE COURT: Already purchased.
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: All right, then. You can step back.
JUROR: What does that mean?
THE COURT: You can go back to your seat.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: All right. Any objection to my excusing
No. 68?
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MR. FINKEL: Not from the government.
MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. So what I'd like to do is to
stop now and have them return so that we can continue at 2:00.
MR. FINKEL: Okay.
MR. KAMARAJU: Okay. Thank you, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: Thank you, your Honor.
THE COURT: It is now almost ten of 1.
ALL COUNSEL: Thank you, your Honor.
(In open court)
THE COURT: All right. So our work for the morning
has come to a close. You'll have to return to the courtroom or
rather to the hallway ready to come into the courtroom at
2 p.m. sharp. Some of you are going to be excused.
Mr. Steinberg is going to read the list of those who have been
excused. But the rest of you must return and be in the
hallway——not downstairs, not on the way to the courthouse, but
in the hallway by 2:00 ready to come back in.
One thing that you must be very conscientious about is
that you cannot discuss the case amongst yourselves or with
anyone else. Don't permit anyone to discuss the case in your
presence. The attorneys are not to have any contact with you.
So if you see them in the hallway or on the elevator, or
outside, and they don't look at you or they don't greet you,
it's not that they're being rude, it is that they simply are
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not permitted to have any contact with you.
So have a good lunch. Mr. Steinberg will now read the
list of those who are excused.
THE LAW CLERK: The following people are excused and
do not need to return after lunch. Please also obtain your
jury card from Mr. Shrinath on your way out. He is in the blue
suit and just raised his hand.
So the following jurors are excused: No. 25, No. 30,
No. 35, No. 36, No. 37, No. 44, No. 50, No. 59, No. 87, No. 91,
No. 93, No. 97, No. 53, No. 20, No. 1, No. 6, No. 9, No. 13,
No. 17, No. 18, No. 26, No. 19, No. 21, No. 23, No. 24, No. 27,
No. 28, No. 31, No. 32, No. 38, No. 39, No. 41, No. 43, No. 45,
No. 54, No. 92, No. 93, No. 66, No. 65, No. 57, No. 55, No. 74,
No. 72, No. 71, No. 63, No. 62, No. 48, No. 61, No. 64, No. 56,
and No. 68.
Jurors who have been excused, please get your card.
Everyone else may leave for lunch and return to the hallway
after lunch. Thank you.
Please be ready to go at 2 p.m. sharp. Thank you.
After you get the card, you should give it to the jury
administrator where you assembled this morning downstairs. To
repeat, after you get your card, please bring it to the jury
room where you assembled downstairs this morning. Thank you
again for your service.
THE COURT: So we started with 100, we are down 51,
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and we have another 75 downstairs. So I'm still optimistic
that we'll get our jury.
See you after lunch.
ALL COUNSEL: Thank you, your Honor.
(Luncheon recess)
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A F T E R N O O N S E S S I O N
2:15 P.M.
(Venire present)
THE COURT: Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome back.
For those of you who came on time and were ready to
walk into the courtroom at 2 p.m., thank you. For those of you
who are late, it's simply impossible to run a trial if I can't
depend upon you arriving promptly at the appointed time. So
please, please come on time; otherwise, everyone is waiting and
things are thrown off.
All right. Do any of you have any personal knowledge
of the charges in this case? Personal knowledge of the charges
in this case.
We are still not finished yet with the previous
question. So if you'll line them up, please.
(At sidebar)
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What's your number?
JUROR: 80, eight zero.
THE COURT: And your name please?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: What's the problem?
JUROR: I don't have the finance to do this for seven
weeks. I get paid by the hour.
THE COURT: So you're saying it would be a financial
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hardship?
JUROR: I -- yeah. I don't think I have the money to
live, because I just graduated college, still paying student
loans. I couldn't do this seven straight weeks.
THE COURT: All righty. You can step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing him?
MR. FINKEL: No.
THE COURT: Is that eight zero?
MR. FINKEL: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What's your number?
JUROR: 75.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: What's the problem?
JUROR: My sister is getting married in Philadelphia
on Friday. I'm supposed to walk her down the aisle.
I'm also an attorney. I have two court appearances
coming up next month, one in a case in California; another one
over here in Queens. I could probably get somebody else to
cover it, but another member of my department is actually on
the Trump jury, which is kind of unfortunate.
And then I have a vacation planned the last week in
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June, the Jersey Shore. I could probably work that out. But
then we're booked -- my family is booked to travel to Italy the
following week.
THE COURT: And when do you leave for Italy?
JUROR: Saturday the 6th is it? Sorry, I don't have
my calendar on me. July 6th, I think.
THE COURT: And you have tickets already?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing him?
MR. FINKEL: No.
MR. SCHIRICK: No.
THE COURT: He was number?
MR. SCHIRICK: 75.
THE COURT: Okay.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What's your number?
JUROR: 76.
THE COURT: What's your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: I have a planned family vacation on the 15th
of July.
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THE COURT: The 15th of July?
JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: Okay. So we're only going through the
12th.
JUROR: It could extend, your Honor.
THE COURT: Excuse me?
JUROR: It could extend. You said it yourself before.
THE COURT: Yes. I feel more confident than I did in
the morning that it will only go until the 12th. So no problem
for you then.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: Very good. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: I'm relying on you.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: What is your number?
JUROR: 89.
THE COURT: 89?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: My name is .
THE COURT: What's the problem?
JUROR: I have a work-related problem. I am a partner
at Kirkland & Ellis in the investment funds group. I'm really,
really under water with some deals right now. And I don't
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think I'm in a position where I can be on a case for seven
weeks. I understand my civic duty; would be happy to come back
later this summer and do another trial. But I can't be in a
jury box for nine hours a day and then working 12 to 15 hours a
night for seven weeks. I can't do it. I wouldn't even be a
good juror.
THE COURT: So why wouldn't you be a good juror?
JUROR: Because I will be sleeping. I have an
unbelievable amount of work that I have to complete and I can't
do both at the same time. And I can't sub out my work.
THE COURT: Are you saying that you would be
distracted by your work obligations were you to serve as a
juror?
JUROR: Of course I would. And I also don't know that
I would have attention span, stamina, etc.
THE COURT: All righty. You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing her?
MR. SCHIRICK: None.
MR. FINKEL: No.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. Your number, sir?
JUROR: 95.
THE COURT: And your name again?
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JUROR: .
THE COURT: What's the problem?
JUROR: So I work for a bank.
THE COURT: Yes.
JUROR: And they don't have seven weeks of duration to
be able to serve as a jury duty. I think it's significantly
less than seven weeks.
THE COURT: Are you saying that they won't pay you?
JUROR: No, no. I check HR, check with HR. I think
the period that is allowed for jury duty is less than seven
weeks.
THE COURT: Okay. So there's a legal obligation to
serve as a juror no matter what your company might say.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: So my question for you is are they saying
they won't pay you?
JUROR: There is nothing about the pay. There's no
provision about the pay.
THE COURT: Okay. So they don't have a say in what
citizens' obligations are.
JUROR: Okay. And in addition, we just got examined
by Federal Reserve Bank of New York, and there are a lot of
objectives that we have to meet and a project. And it's a very
short duration right now, on top of all the other daily tasks
that I need to do. It goes by due dates.
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THE COURT: What bank do you work for?
JUROR: I work for Mizuho.
THE COURT: And does Mizuho have other employees?
JUROR: Yes, they do. It's just that the department
I'm in has specific due dates. And it's -- it kind of makes it
a little bit difficult for me to be able to not be in it.
THE COURT: So what happens if you get hit by a truck
today?
JUROR: I'm just saying it's just going to be -- it's
going to be a lot of on my part, I think, so just that explain
my situation, that's all.
THE COURT: So what I'm getting at is if you were to
disappear today --
JUROR: Right.
THE COURT: -- the bank would find somebody else to do
your job; isn't that right?
JUROR: That's true.
THE COURT: Okay. So then okay. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: I am not going to excuse him.
MR. SCHIRICK: No objection.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello.
JUROR: Good afternoon, ma'am.
THE COURT: Your number, please.
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JUROR: 96.
THE COURT: And your name, please.
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: I'm an educator, high school. And I have a
caseload. And it's about the end of the school year, and I
have to tie up my relationships with my students before they go
on, and my other compliance issues I'm responsible for at the
school.
THE COURT: You say you have a caseload. What is your
title?
JUROR: I'm a therapist. So I'm working with students
all the time.
THE COURT: Are you in the public school system?
JUROR: Yes, public school system.
THE COURT: Okay. All righty.
If you'll step back, please.
JUROR: Thank you, ma'am.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 96?
MR. SCHIRICK: No.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello.
JUROR: How are you?
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THE COURT: I'm well. How are you?
JUROR: I'm okay.
THE COURT: Would you tell me your number, please.
JUROR: 82.
THE COURT: 82? And your name, please.
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: What's the problem?
THE COURT: Yeah. You came to tell me something.
JUROR: Oh, okay. I am a nurse, okay. So it will be
very hard for me to lose seven weeks.
THE COURT: So are you saying because financially it
would be a hardship for you?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Would you be paid if you did not go to
work?
JUROR: No, I have to go to work.
THE COURT: Okay. All right. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing No.
82?
MR. SCHIRICK: No objection.
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What number are you?
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JUROR: Juror 84.
THE COURT: And what's your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what's the problem?
JUROR: My employer, they only pay two weeks of jury
duty. So I'm afraid if I go to a seven weeks trial, I'm going
to have to get a pay cut of five weeks.
THE COURT: And so that would be a financial hardship
for you?
JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: All right. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing her?
MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.
MR. SCHIRICK: No.
THE COURT: She was 84?
MS. MURRAY: Yes.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 85.
THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I'm self-employed. I have a doggie daycare.
I'm a dog trainer. So I live in Westchester. When I come
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here, I have to close my business because I run it on my own.
So weekends and holidays are days that I'm free, but during the
week it's kind of hard for me to come.
And then the dates that you gave us, I do have dogs
that stay overnight, so I have to be home during the day
because I have no one to take them out. I have 15, 20 dogs
every day. And that's one of the reasons. If I have an
employer, then it's -- but I don't.
THE COURT: All right. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 85?
MR. SCHIRICK: No.
MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 86.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I take care of my niece when my sister is at
work.
THE COURT: I am sorry?
JUROR: I take care of my niece when my sister is at
work. It's financially hard for me to be out for seven weeks.
THE COURT: All righty. You can step back. Thank
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you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 86?
MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.
MR. SCHIRICK: No.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 98.
THE COURT: 98. And your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: Three things, actually.
I have a publication deadline. I'm submitting a
chapter for a book that's due in August; I have a five-hour
daily commute; and I've got a chronic eye condition that makes
it harder for me to read the more tired I get. And I think
commuting here, you know, every day for seven weeks is going to
be exhausting.
THE COURT: Where do you come from?
JUROR: I live in Putnam County.
THE COURT: All right. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing No.
98?
MR. SCHIRICK: No objection.
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MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello.
JUROR: Hi.
THE COURT: What's your number?
JUROR: My number is 99.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: Well, I am still working. I'm semi-retired.
And on Mondays, I open the office. If the holiday falls on a
Monday, then Tuesday I open the office. And the length of time
and the fact that maybe a Monday I might have to not be
available for work, it causes me financial difficulties. I'm
semi-retired, I'm 76 this year, and I need the money.
THE COURT: Got it. Okay. You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you so much.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: All righty.
Any objection to my excusing No. 99?
MR. SCHIRICK: No objection.
MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 100.
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THE COURT: And what is your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: I have work travel planned for the middle of
June where I'll be out of the state for a couple days. I also
have a family member's and a friend's bachelor party scheduled
for July within the time frame of the trial.
THE COURT: So is the bachelor party during the day?
JUROR: I'd be leaving in the middle of the week, yes,
before the trial would end.
THE COURT: Where would you go?
JUROR: Up to Saratoga, New York. And then we're
traveling -- middle of June would be out of state to Michigan
for a couple days during the week in the middle of the week.
THE COURT: What do you do for a living?
JUROR: I'm a civil engineer.
THE COURT: And do you work for a company?
JUROR: Yeah, I do consulting for HTR. It's a
consulting company based out of New York. And we have a
program that's nationwide which involves some travel that I've
been doing for the past couple years.
THE COURT: So if you get hit by a truck today, is
somebody else in the company going to be able to do your work?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Yes. Okay.
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You said that the bachelor party is in Saratoga?
JUROR: Mm-hmm.
THE COURT: All right. So that's a very easy drive.
JUROR: Yes, but it would be, I guess, before the
trial would end.
THE COURT: What day of the week is the party?
JUROR: I'd be leaving on a Wednesday. It would be
July 10th I'd be leaving.
THE COURT: You're saying the party is on a Wednesday
as opposed to, say, a Friday or Saturday?
JUROR: Well, it's the whole weekend. I'm getting
there Wednesday night, the party's through the weekend,
Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.
THE COURT: There's something in addition to the
bachelor party?
JUROR: No, it's the entire weekend.
THE COURT: It's the entire weekend.
Okay. You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing him?
MR. SCHIRICK: No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. No. 100 is excused.
(Juror present)
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THE COURT: Hello.
JUROR: I was here before, No. 33.
THE COURT: Yes.
JUROR: We can't move the vacation without significant
penalties.
THE COURT: All right. I understand.
JUROR: We tried.
THE COURT: Thank you. Thank you for making the
effort.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: So No. 33, anybody object to my excusing
her?
MR. SCHIRICK: No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. What number are you?
JUROR: No. 3.
THE COURT: No. 3. And what is your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: When I work with mentally and disabled
individuals, really it's for six weeks going to be
overwhelming. And I work at night, you know. And then plus I
don't have no kids of my own, but I assist with my family I
have to pick up from school. So I can't do it. It's going to
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be hard.
THE COURT: So are you saying with regard to your job
that --
JUROR: The job is going to be overwhelming for eight
weeks.
THE COURT: Overwhelming in what sense?
JUROR: Because we already short. The staff is short.
The staff, we are short already.
THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: And then personally my family, I have to pick
up my nieces and nephews from school.
THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: Because I work in the night.
THE COURT: What time do you pick up the children?
JUROR: I work at night. One finish at 2 -- 3:45.
THE COURT: Okay. You can step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: What number was that?
MR. SCHIRICK: Three, I believe.
THE COURT: All right.
So any objection to my excusing No. 3?
MR. SCHIRICK: No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. Your name?
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JUROR: No. 52.
THE COURT: Go ahead.
JUROR: So my fear is being out of the field for work
for seven months -- seven weeks, forgive me. I train position
and operators to do cataract surgery. And the postponement of
seven weeks potentially, and my fear is I'm going to lose
business and I'll be out of a job. That's my fear.
THE COURT: So do you work for a company that gives
you a salary?
JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: And so are you saying they won't pay you
if you don't show up?
JUROR: What I'm saying is I don't know we're going to
have replacements for -- to provide support for these surgeons
to do the cataract surgery.
THE COURT: Who do you support, what institutions?
JUROR: ASCs and hospitals that do cataract surgeries,
such as me. And Gramercy. And we do cataract surgery there.
I provide support with the surgeons on there. If I'm not
there, they won't use our product; and I don't have any
replacement for me if I'm not there.
THE COURT: You're saying there's no one else who can
do your job?
JUROR: There's no one else in this territory that
would do my job. I cover New Jersey, Connecticut, Delaware,
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and New York City.
THE COURT: So if you get hit by a truck today, no
surgery?
JUROR: They won't use our product.
THE COURT: They'll use somebody else.
JUROR: They won't use our product.
THE COURT: Okay. You can step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing him?
MR. SCHIRICK: No objection.
MS. MURRAY: No.
THE COURT: He was number?
MS. MURRAY: 52.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. Your number, sir?
JUROR: 76. I was here before.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: The problem is I don't feel comfortable
between you telling me that you're going to finish on the 12th
and I have a flight on the 15th. I know you're super smart,
and I know that you have this whole case under control. But
the gap between the 12th and the 15 is very uncomfortable for
me, besides the financial strain that dragging this for more
than two or three weeks is going to take on my family.
THE COURT: So when you say financial strain, what do
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you mean?
JUROR: Well, you guys pay 60 bucks an hour, and I'm
going to be not paid for my job.
THE COURT: You're saying you would have to forgo your
salary, you would not be paid while you are here?
JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: All right. You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Okay. So any objection to my excusing
him?
MR. SCHIRICK: No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: And he's number?
MS. MURRAY: 76.
THE COURT: Okay. All righty.
Looks like that's it. Let's go back.
(In open court)
THE COURT: Does anyone have any personal knowledge of
the charges in this case?
All right. Please step up.
(At sidebar)
(Juror present)
THE COURT: What number are you?
JUROR: 12.
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THE COURT: And what knowledge do you have about this
case?
JUROR: So I likely read it in The Wall Street Journal
that -- so the knowledge I have is that he was or had a strong
relationship with Steve Bannon. I think his ultimate goal was
to take down the communist regime in China. And that he
defrauded, I believe it was, a billion dollars or so from
investors or was, you know, alleged to have defrauded about a
billion dollars from investors. And that, you know, Steve
Bannon has a close relationship with Trump, so it was all in
the -- I guess The Wall Street Journal and the papers that I
read.
THE COURT: So many of us read The Wall Street
Journal.
JUROR: Right.
THE COURT: And it's not -- it doesn't surprise me
that you may have had heard about the case. And so the first
question is can you put aside what you have read and come into
the court with an open mind and listen to the testimony of the
witnesses, review any documentary evidence, follow my
instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: I believe so, yes.
THE COURT: What do you mean you believe? This is a
yes-or-no question.
JUROR: Yes. Yes, I mean -- yes.
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THE COURT: Yes?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay. You also mentioned that the matter
had something to do with Steve Bannon. You mentioned the
former president.
JUROR: Right.
THE COURT: Does that have any bearing on your point
of view about this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: You don't have any biases for or against
Mr. Bannon or Mr. Trump?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: I see no reason to excuse him.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. What number are you?
JUROR: I am 40.
THE COURT: 40.
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And your name, please.
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: That I have heard about the case before from
some friends in the nonprofit that I work in with the Himalayan
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Farmers Network. Apparently there was some confusion between
the farmers alliance and the Himalayan Farmers Network. So I
had known about the case before.
THE COURT: And could you tell me a little bit about
the network.
JUROR: Sure. They grow orange-fleshed sweet
potatoes, which are a primary source of vitamin A, which
prevent childhood blindness, which is a big issue in Nepal and
the rest of the Himalayas.
THE COURT: Okay. So agriculture is unrelated to this
case.
JUROR: Understood.
THE COURT: They are two different, very different
subject matters.
JUROR: Understood.
THE COURT: So is there anything about the fact that
there may have been some confusion that would prevent you from
being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: Probably.
THE COURT: Why?
JUROR: Because there are people who work very, very
hard to improve people's lives under the name of the Himalayan
Farmers Network. And we have someone with a very similar name
who steals from people, doesn't sit well with me.
THE COURT: So first of all, these are only charges.
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JUROR: Understood.
THE COURT: We have seen no evidence thus far, and
Mr. Guo is presumed innocent.
JUROR: Understood.
THE COURT: And he cannot be found guilty until a
unanimous jury finds him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
So right now if we were to have a vote of the people
in this room, they would have to vote not guilty because of the
presumption of innocence and the burden on the prosecution.
So can you put aside whatever you may have heard about
the defendant or his activities, and come into the courtroom
with an open mind, listen to the testimony of the witnesses,
review the documentary evidence, follow my instructions on the
law, and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: I could try.
THE COURT: It's a yes-or-no question.
JUROR: And so I would say no.
THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: She was number?
MS. MURRAY: 40.
THE COURT: And I am going to excuse her.
MR. SCHIRICK: No objection.
MR. KAMARAJU: Just to make the record clear.
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(Juror present)
THE COURT: Sir, your number?
JUROR: 42.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what is the issue?
JUROR: So on a professional level, and there's part
on a personal level.
On a professional level, I've been involved in
financial technology companies, including the Chinese company,
over the past 20-plus years. My current company also is
involved in crypto.
So on a personal level, I've been investing in crypto
space for the past eight years; it's sort of a family-related
business now. And just in terms of the content of the case and
my ability to be impartial, I have concerns.
THE COURT: So cryptocurrency has become very popular
among Americans — actually globally.
JUROR: Yup.
THE COURT: And so why would you have these concerns?
JUROR: Yeah. So, I mean, I know about a lot of
compliance-money-laundering-related issues that have happened
both on a professional level and on a personal level. I feel
like I'm too close to what's been going on in this space over
the last almost decade for me to be able to judge the facts in
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an impartial way.
THE COURT: So numbers of people have knowledge about
cryptocurrency and other financial matters. And the question
is can you put aside your knowledge and come into the court
with an open mind and listen to the witness testimony and
review the documents, follow my instructions on the law, and be
a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: And your question is?
THE COURT: My question was can you put aside your
knowledge about the subject matter and your feelings about the
subject matter, and come into the court with an open mind and
listen to the witness testimony, review the documentary
evidence, follow my instructions on the law, and be a fair and
impartial juror?
JUROR: Honestly, no.
THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Was he 42?
MR. SCHIRICK: Correct.
THE COURT: All right. So I am going to dismiss him
for cause.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 47.
THE COURT: And your name, sir?
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JUROR: .
THE COURT: And what is the issue?
JUROR: When I came into the room, I recognized the
man accused and one of the lawyers. I seen the case in the
news. And I don't have much details about the case, but that's
the knowledge I have from hearing the case in the news.
THE COURT: So this case has been in the news. So it
doesn't surprise me that you may have seen something or heard
something or read something.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: The question is, can you put aside
whatever you have heard or seen and come into the courtroom
with an open mind and listen to all the evidence in the case,
hear the witnesses, review the documentary evidence, follow my
instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: So I work as an assistant property manager in
the city and -- building in Sutton Place in Midtown East. And
there's a lot of high-profile residents, diplomats, people from
all over the country.
And there have been certain scenarios of few residents
who have not paid rent on time because they either trying to
wire the money to America from their country and they use it as
an excuse not to pay rent.
I do have another case of residents where they have --
they're being sued for fraud and we are trying to evict them
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because they haven't paid rent either.
So it would be hard for me to not take the case a
little bit personal, since I always involve into like those
residents or I have -- you know, going after those residents
for them to pay rent. So I don't know if I would be able to be
transparent or impartial.
THE COURT: So this is not a case where Mr. Guo is
accused of failing to pay rent.
JUROR: Right. I understand. Yeah.
But I do have residents who have been accused of fraud
and as a consequence of that. I've been involved in like their
not being able to pay rent. So I'm involved with -- very
familiar with lawyers in their cases trying to get them to pay
rent and leave.
THE COURT: And you can't put aside these particular
cases, your experience with these particular cases, and come
here with an open mind?
JUROR: I could, but it's something I do every day and
it's hard for me, like, not to judge the people that -- at
least the people live in my building. They are wealthy or the
high profiles. And there's always this money involved when it
comes to like, you know, get away with things sometimes. So --
THE COURT: Are you saying that you come in with a
negative feeling already toward Mr. Guo?
JUROR: Not personally to him, but to people who tend
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to be rich or have high profiles.
THE COURT: But he is the only person here on trial.
It's not a trial against the class of rich people. And so the
question is can you look at him as an individual and be fair
and impartial to him?
JUROR: Not after what I see on TV.
THE COURT: All right. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: He's 47?
MS. MURRAY: Yes.
THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing him for
cause?
MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.
MR. SCHIRICK: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: That's it? Okay.
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(In open court)
THE COURT: Is there anything about the nature of the
charges in this case that would prevent you from being a fair
and impartial juror?
The government is represented here by the United
States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Damian
Williams. This trial will be in the immediate charge of
Assistant United States Attorneys Micah Fergenson, Ryan Finkel,
Justin Horton and Juliana Murray. They will be assisted by
paralegals Michael Gartland, Isabel Loftus, and Jeffrey Mearns.
Please stand and face the jurors.
The defendant in this case is Miles Guo.
Mr. Guo, please stand and face the jurors.
Mr. Guo is represented by his attorneys, Sidhardha
Kamaraju, Sabrina P. Shroff, Matthew S. Barkan, and E. Scott
Schirick. Mr. Kamaraju and Mr. Barkan are with the law firm of
Pryor Cashman LLC; and Mr. Schirick is with the law firm of
Alston & Bird. They will be assisted by paralegal Ruben
Montilla, attorneys Daniel Pohlman, John Kilgard, Clare Tilton,
James Beall, and Jorge Salazar of Pryor Cashman, and also been
involved in Mr. Guo's defense.
Please stand and face the jurors.
Do any of you know Mr. Guo or any of the other
individuals that I have just identified?
Have you, your family members or close friends, had
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any personal or business dealings, directly or indirectly, with
any of these individuals, including the defendant?
Have any of your relatives or close friends had any
association or business dealings with any member of the staff
of Pryor Cashman LLP or Alston & Bird?
The gentleman -- if you would please give him the
microphone. Sir, what number are you?
JUROR: 75, your Honor.
THE COURT: All righty. And your dealings with --
JUROR: I had a case against Pryor Cashman about seven
or eight years ago. Different attorneys. I don't know them.
And to my knowledge, I last had contact with them five years
ago or so.
THE COURT: And you're an attorney; correct?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: You may be seated.
And the next individual? What number are you?
JUROR: 89.
THE COURT: And what is the issue?
JUROR: Similar to the gentleman in front of me. I
just happen to know some attorneys at Pryor Cashman from law
school or just from the legal community in New York. I don't
know these individuals.
THE COURT: All right. You may be seated.
Anyone else?
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I'm going to read the names of potential witnesses in
this case, as well as other individuals whose names may be
mentioned during the trial.
After I read the list, the number of names, I'm going
to ask whether you are familiar with them.
Aaron Mitchell, Adalberto Cattabriga, Alex Soltani,
Alex Hadjicharalambous, Alexandra Gale, Amin Shams, Amy Buck,
Ana Izquierdo, Andrew Zitman, Anthony Alecci, Anthony
Debatista, Anthony Martinez, Ava Chan, Baorong Liu, Bin Guo, BJ
Pendergast, Bo Collins, Bruce Frederick, Chelsea Grady, and
Chingwa Wang.
Do any of you know any of these individuals or have
your family or close friends had any dealings, directly or
indirectly, with any of those people?
I'm going to continue now with the list of names.
Christina Schatz, Christine Frosini, Christine Li,
Courtney Benitez, Crystal Wang, Damon Lope, Daniel Podhaskie,
Darren Blanton, Darren Loos, David Lasky; Defeng Cao, also
known as Wayne; Doaa Dashoush, Ehsan Haque, Ehsan Mahsud,
Elaine Dellapia, Elliot Broidy, Erica Buonocore, Erin McNamara,
Fay Fay, Gabriela Luciano.
Do any of you know or have any of your family members
or close friends have any dealings, directly or indirectly,
with any of those people?
I'm going to continue with my list of names.
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Giacomo Mattioli, Gladys Chow, Haidong Hao, Haitham
Khaled, Haley Richins, Haoran He, Ho He, Hongfei Guo, Isabel
Despins, Jamie Wilson, Jammy Tam, Janie Du, Jason Miller, Jenny
Li, Jeremy Tempkin, Jesse Brown, Jessica Mastrogiovanni,
Jessica Volchko, Jian Peng, Jianhu Yi.
Do any of you know or have any family members or
friends who've had dealings, directly or indirectly, with any
of those people?
I'm going to continue.
Jieyu Bian, John Morgan, Joseph Hugdahl, Juliana
Lister, Justine Atwood, Karin Maistrello, Katherine Miles,
Katrina Laperuta, Kelly Noh, Kevin Ma, Kin Min "William" Je,
Kit Addleman, Kyle Bass, Lan You, Le Zhou, Lee Chu, Limarie
Reyes Molinaris, Lin Chao, Lonny Soza, and Louie Bonsoukan.
Do you know or have any of your family members or
close friends had any dealings with any of these individuals,
directly or indirectly?
Continuing with my list.
Lu Zhu, Luc Despins, Madeleine Despins, Maggie Sklar,
Maggie Murphy, Marios Mamzeris, Mark Williams, Marvin James
Sawyer, Matt Smith, Mateo Gandini, Matthew Pottinger, Max
Krasner, Mei Guo, Melissa Baccari, Melissa Francis, Melissa
Mendez, Meng Tong Zang, Minran Wu, Na Zhou, and Nicholas
DiMarino.
Do any of you know or have any of you or your family
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members or close friends had any dealings, directly or
indirectly, with any of those individuals?
I'm continuing with my list.
Nickie Lum Davis, Nicole Torres, Nicole Tsai, Nina
Peng, Olivia Sebade, Paolo Sozzi, Patrick Chin, Patrick York,
Paul Doran, Paul Hinton, Prakazrel Michel, Priya Patel; Qiang
Guo, also known as Mileson; Qidong Xia, also known as Long
Island David; Rachel Campbell, Rachel Cartwright, Ray Dragon,
Robert Stout, Robin Mokhtar, Ross Heinemeyer.
Do any of you know or have you or any of your family
members or close friends had any dealings, directly or
indirectly, with any of those people?
I'm continuing with my list.
Ruizheng An, also known as "Ryan" and "Crab"; Russell
Stockil, Ryan Sears, Sam Roberts, Sara Wei, Scott Barnett,
Shamel Medrano, Simon Je, Sophia Chen, Steele Schottenheimer,
Steve Bannon, Steve Weber, Tedroy Wilson, Tom Bishop, Tom
O'Leary, Una Wilkinson, Victor Cerda, William Kumpf, Xiaobo He.
Xiaoke Min.
Do any of you know or have you or your family members
or close friends had any dealings, directly or indirectly, with
any of those people?
I'm continuing with my list.
Ya Li; Yanping Wang, also known as Yvette; Yangping
Liu, Yi Shing Lee.
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THE COURT: YinYang Wang, also known as Aila.
Yongbing Zhang, Zachary Effting. Zhaoying Ye. Zhengqiao Du.
Do any of you know any of those people or have you or your
family members or close friends had any dealings directly or
indirectly with any of those people?
The witnesses in this case may include one or more of
what is known as an accomplice, or cooperating witness, a
person who has admitted to participating in crimes related to
the indictment, as well as other crimes. Is there anything
about the fact that cooperating witnesses may testify in this
case that would prevent you from being a fair and impartial
juror?
I will now read the names of potential businesses or
entities that may be mentioned during the trial. ACA Capital.
Armanino. Bank of Princeton. Bitgo. Brioni. Dallas
Lamborghini. Eastern Profit. Ferrari Beverly Hills. Freedom
Media Ventures. G Bank. G Clubs. G Coins. G Fashion. G
Mall. G Media. G Music. And G News. As well as Gettr,
Golden Spring, and Greenwich Land. Do any of you know or have
any of your family members or close friends had any dealings
directly or indirectly with any of those entities?
Sir, what is your number?
JUROR: 78, your Honor.
THE COURT: 78? And what is it?
JUROR: Which entity?
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THE COURT: Yes.
JUROR: Bank of Princeton.
THE COURT: What is your relationship to the Bank of
Princeton?
JUROR: I work for a separate bank, but there's
participation loans between the two banks.
THE COURT: You work for a bank and sometimes there
are participation loans——
JUROR: Well, there is a participation loan between
the two banks. I'm not aware of any other relation, but
there's a specific loan that I've been working on together with
Bank of Princeton.
THE COURT: So in the course of your work you deal
with a number of different entities; is that correct?
JUROR: Yes, yes. I work for a different bank, and
this is a participation loan with the Bank of Princeton.
THE COURT: Just the fact that you may have a business
relationship with the Bank of Princeton, is that going to
prevent you from being a fair and impartial juror if the Bank
of Princeton is mentioned in this trial?
JUROR: No. No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Do you think you can be completely
impartial if the Bank of Princeton comes up?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: Do you think you might have a bias in
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favor of the Bank of Princeton because your business is doing
business with the Bank of Princeton?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Would you have a bias against the Bank of
Princeton because of that?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. You may be seated.
Anybody else?
Do any of you know or have any family members or close
friends had any dealings, directly or indirectly, with any of
these entities: GTV; H Coin; Hamilton Investment; Hayman
Capital; HCHK Property Management; HCHK Technologies; Himalaya
Exchange; Himalaya Farm Alliance; HR Owen; Hudson Diamond;
Jovial Century; Jumio; Maywind; mBaer Bank; Mercantile Bank;
Mountain of Spices; New Federal State of China (NFSC); NexBank;
OSC (Orbit Service Company)? Anyone know or have any family
members or close friends that have had dealings with those
entities, directly or indirectly?
I'm going to continue with my list.
Passione Rossa. Phaxis. Post Oak Motors.
Promemoria. RH Southeby's. Rule of Law Foundation. Rule of
Law Society. Strategic Vision. Taurus Management. Voice of
Guo. Voice of Good. Anybody know or have any family members
or friends who have had dealings, directly or indirectly, with
any of those entities?
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The events in this case took place at or around 188
East 64th Street in Manhattan; 19 Houhai Beiyan, Xicheng
District, Beijing, People's Republic of China; 20 South Bay
Road, Repulse Bay, Hong Kong; 3 Columbus Circle in Manhattan;
373 Taconic Road in Greenwich, Connecticut; The Crocker Mansion
at 675 Ramapo Valley Road in Mahwah, New Jersey; Pangu 7 Star
Hotel in Beijing, Chaoyang, Beijing, 100101 in People's
Republic of China; and the Sherry-Netherland Hotel, Fifth
Avenue, Apartment 1801, New York, New York. Anyone familiar
with these locations?
Do any of you know or have any of you or your
relatives or close friends had any association or business
dealings with any member of the staff of United States
Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, the
Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Securities and Exchange
Commission (or SEC), or the Department of Homeland Security?
Have you, a family member——I'm sorry. Oh. What is
your number?
JUROR: 89.
THE COURT: And what have your dealings been?
JUROR: Oh, just there are a number of former SEC
employees that I work with directly on a daily basis. I don't
know if that counts.
THE COURT: All right. You may be seated.
JUROR: Thank you.
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THE COURT: Have you, a family member, or close friend
ever been employed by any federal, state, or local law
enforcement agency, or the justice system? Oh, there's an
additional person over there. What is your number, please?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor. 98. The late Bill Pauley,
Judge Bill Pauley married me, six years ago.
THE COURT: He presided over your wedding.
JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: Okay. Thank you.
JUROR: 75, your Honor. Formerly employed by the U.S.
Attorney's Office for the Western District of Virginia. It was
within law school though, so I wasn't employed, but I was trial
practice certified.
THE COURT: All right. Thank you.
JUROR: I'm No. 11. My sister works for the federal
government.
THE COURT: Your assistant?
JUROR: My sister.
THE COURT: Your sister.
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And what does she do?
JUROR: She's an ALJ with the Department of Health and
Human Services, your Honor.
THE COURT: And is there anything about her job that
would prevent you from being a fair and impartial juror in this
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case?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Considering that your sister is employed
by the federal government, would that cause you to side with
the government in this case?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Would it cause you to have a bias against
the government?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Would it cause you to side with the
defense?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Would it cause you to have a bias against
the defense?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Anyone else? What is your number?
JUROR: 95. My younger brother is a prosecutor in
Long Island.
THE COURT: In the state?
JUROR: In——I think he's in Mineola. I don't think it
is state. I'm not too sure on that one.
THE COURT: Is there anything about your relationship
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with your brother or his work that would prevent you from being
a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: Not really.
THE COURT: Because your brother is a prosecutor,
would that cause you to side with the prosecution in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you be against the prosecution?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Would you have a bias against the defense?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Would you be for the defense?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Anything that would prevent you from being
a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Anyone else?
JUROR: My daughter used to work at the New York City
Department of Investigation, in particular for the New York
Police Department, but she's now working for a different
department for the city.
THE COURT: So is your daughter a lawyer?
JUROR: No. Well, she does analysis for New York City
Department of——
THE COURT: And your number again, sir?
JUROR: No. 4.
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THE COURT: Okay. So is there anything about your
daughter's work at any of those divisions that would prevent
you from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Considering that she works for the
government, would that make you side with the government in
this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you be against the government?
JUROR: No. I would be fair.
THE COURT: You would be fair. Okay. I'm asking you,
would you have a bias against the government?
JUROR: No, no.
THE COURT: Would you have a bias in favor of the
defense?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you have a bias against the defense?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Anything that would prevent you from being
a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Anybody else?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Your number, please.
JUROR: No. 15. My sister works for the U.S.
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Department of State.
THE COURT: Okay. So considering that she works for
the federal government, is there anything about her job or your
relationship with her that would prevent you from being a fair
and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Would you favor the government because
your sister works for the government?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Would you be against the government?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Would you have a bias against the defense?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: A bias in favor of the defense?
JUROR: None.
THE COURT: Anything that would prevent you from being
a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Your number, please.
JUROR: No. 60, your Honor. My father was an
auxiliary police officer with the NYPD.
THE COURT: All righty. Is there anything about his
job that would prevent you from being a fair and impartial
juror in this case?
JUROR: I believe it may bias me towards the side of
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the police department, if that was the question, ma'am.
THE COURT: So would you agree with me that in every
profession, there are those who are competent and who have
integrity and then there are those who are incompetent and who
lack integrity, in every profession?
JUROR: It depends on what we would describe as a
profession.
THE COURT: Every job. There are those that do their
job competently and with integrity and then there are those who
don't.
JUROR: There are jobs that are inherently bad or
immoral, in my opinion.
THE COURT: So let's just stick with being an
auxiliary police officer. Do you consider that to be a job
that can be characterized as a positive contribution to
society?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: But would you agree that there are some
who take on that role who may not be good at it?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: And there may be some who lack integrity
when they carry out their duties; is that correct?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. So knowing that there are good
apples and bad apples, would you have a bias in favor of a law
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enforcement official who is on the witness stand?
JUROR: I would think that the majority would be good,
so that seems to be a bias.
THE COURT: So you're saying you would give any law
enforcement witness the benefit of the doubt.
JUROR: Yes, ma'am.
THE COURT: Okay. You may be seated.
Who else?
JUROR: Juror 69. My daughter currently works for the
Connecticut State Court System as a court reporter, recorder.
THE COURT: She's a stenographer?
JUROR: No, recorder. So she has electronic means and
she sits in trials and records and transcribes.
THE COURT: In the same way that this very competent
individual is doing?
JUROR: Perhaps. It looks very similar.
THE COURT: All right. Okay. Is there anything about
her job that would prevent you from being a fair and impartial
juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: And it would not interfere with your
ability to come into the courtroom with an open mind?
JUROR: No, it doesn't.
THE COURT: Okay, then. You may be seated.
Have you or any family member, individually or in the
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course of business, ever been a party to any legal action or
dispute with the United States or any offices, departments,
agencies or employees of the United States, or have any
interest in any such legal action or dispute or its outcome?
Your number, sir?
JUROR: Juror 76. I do tax preparation. I constantly
fight with the IRS.
THE COURT: You can distinguish between the IRS and
other departments of the government, right?
JUROR: Certainly.
THE COURT: Okay. Anybody else?
Does anyone have any bias, prejudice, or other strong
feelings for or against United States Department of Justice,
United States Attorney's Office, or any law enforcement agency?
Have any of you read, heard, or seen anything in the
newspaper, on the internet, or on TV about this case? And I
address this question to those who have not already answered
the question. And in answering the question, I don't want you
to disclose the contents of what you may have heard.
JUROR: Okay. Juror 89. I've read some internet
articles about the case.
THE COURT: Okay. You may be seated.
JUROR: I wouldn't say that I——your Honor, juror 78.
I wouldn't say that I actually have——saw the details of the
case, but just standing outside, I heard associations about the
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case, just loud, on the megaphone. I didn't know about it
before this morning, your Honor.
THE COURT: When you say standing outside, what do you
mean by that?
JUROR: With the megaphone, there was just
something——something comparing this to another case.
THE COURT: Are you saying that you exited the
courthouse and you heard something?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay. And without stating what you
heard——
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: ——does that have any impact on your
ability to be a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: So you understand that here in the United
States we have freedom of speech.
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: And we can praise or criticize individuals
in public, right?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: That's right. And so given that precious
freedom, that does not mean that what someone says is
necessarily going to influence you; is that correct?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
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THE COURT: That's right.
Okay. Who else?
This trial will likely generate media attention. Will
each of you follow my instruction that you should absolutely
avoid reading, watching, or listening to media reports
concerning the case, including coverage of the case on social
media, like Facebook, Twitter, blogs, etc., until after the
case is over?
THE JURORS: Yes.
THE COURT: Is there anyone who cannot follow that
instruction?
Will each of you follow my instruction that you may
not research or talk about the case with other people until the
case is over?
THE JURORS: Yes.
THE COURT: Is there anyone who will not follow that
instruction?
As I mentioned, during the trial you will hear
evidence concerning alleged racketeering, an alleged
racketeering conspiracy involving wire fraud, securities fraud,
bank fraud, and money laundering. Will the nature of the
charges affect your ability to render a fair verdict?
Have you or anyone close to you been involved in any
proceedings involving the U.S. Securities and Exchange
Commission?
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Have you or anyone close to you filed for bankruptcy
or been involved in a bankruptcy proceeding?
JUROR: Juror 79. My girlfriend is a restructuring
attorney.
THE COURT: Did you say your girlfriend is a
restructuring attorney?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: So your girlfriend is involved in
assisting clients who need to restructure their debt; is that
correct?
JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: And would that have any impact on your
ability to be a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Anybody else?
Do you or anyone close to you have strong views about
the Chinese government or the Chinese Communist party?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor. There's been a lot of news
about their treatment of the——I believe it's Uyghur people.
Also, the political situation with Taiwan is very concerning
for the future, as the situation with Hong Kong was a few years
ago.
THE COURT: Counsel, would you step up, please.
(At the sidebar)
THE COURT: So I suspect that any number of people may
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have strong feelings about the Chinese government or the CPC.
What line of questioning do you want me to pursue?
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, we would ask if people have
strong feelings, if they want to——I think it would be
appropriate to deal with those feelings at sidebar, since there
could be a wide range of things that could be relevant to the
trial or irrelevant to the trial. That would be government's
view.
THE COURT: So this individual, for example, what
would you want me to ask him? He said he's not happy with
Taiwan, he's not happy with the Uyghurs. What else?
MR. FINKEL: This individual I think should be struck
for cause because he has a bias in favor of law enforcement.
THE COURT: Yes, we know that already. But there may
be somebody who comes along who says something similar about
the Chinese.
MR. FINKEL: I think it should be explored and I think
that it should be asked of him whether what he's heard he can
put out of his mind so that he can focus on the evidence or
lack of evidence that is introduced at this trial, render a
fair and impartial verdict based on what he sees and hears at
this trial, and follow your instructions.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, I think every government
summation I've ever heard is, use your common sense, don't
leave it at the door. His common sense would include the bad
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acts of the Communist Party of China, so I think it's kind of a
tight balance here asking somebody to set aside——so maybe,
before the person——actually, I think he's the only one who may
have raised his hand, so——
THE COURT: I'm not going to bring him up because
we've already decided——
MS. SHROFF: I don't know if there's anybody else.
THE COURT: I think there might be another person.
MS. SHROFF: Oh, there might be?
THE COURT: I'm just trying to understand what it is
that you want me to get at.
MR. KAMARAJU: Personally, I would just ask, whatever
their feelings are about the Chinese party, can you be fair and
impartial in this case, in the same way you would ask about any
other——
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, the government's concern is
that part of their defense I think is that Mr. Guo is fighting
against the Chinese Communist party, and if a juror may not
decide on the facts of this case and just decide that this is
an individual who's fighting against the Chinese Communist
party, they would be sympathetic to him, that would mean
someone who's not fair and impartial. That's what the
government's concern is.
MR. KAMARAJU: I think your Honor can address that by
asking, can you be fair and impartial.
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THE COURT: I'm not going to bring up the defense.
MR. KAMARAJU: No, certainly not, your Honor. I would
simply say: Whatever your feelings are about the Chinese
Communist party, can you be fair and impartial about your
verdict in this case? That's all.
THE LAW CLERK: Judge, there's someone else who wants
to talk about the duration of trial. He just missed the
question.
THE COURT: Okay. So if you'll have him come up.
THE LAW CLERK: Judge, also, Juror No. 60, I think
he's already been struck.
(Juror present at sidebar)
THE COURT: Sir, what is your number?
JUROR: 73.
THE COURT: What's your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What is the problem?
JUROR: Now I didn't go——I didn't go up here earlier
about the duration issue so I wanted to hear what, you know,
the case is about, like that, but now that I think this is
going to be a long trial and I'm a——I work in the finance at
Columbia University, and this is the end of the fiscal year and
I'm heavily involved with the closing. If the trial——
THE COURT: The closing of what?
JUROR: The books, accounting books. So if the trial
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is going to be every day, that affects me.
THE COURT: But when you're away from your job at
Columbia, you're still receiving 100 percent of your salary,
aren't you?
JUROR: I do.
THE COURT: And if you got hit by a truck today,
they'd find someone else with your skills to fill in your
position; isn't that right?
JUROR: That's correct.
THE COURT: Okay. So you can be absent from your job.
JUROR: Okay. But what I'm saying is what I do right
now, in this situation, nobody does it except me.
THE COURT: Right. But that doesn't mean that someone
else——
JUROR: I know. Nobody is indispensable.
THE COURT: Yes.
JUROR: Yes. I'm just saying my concern.
THE COURT: I understand you're saying that this may
be your specialty.
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: I bet Columbia University has tremendous
resources and it can identify other people who may not be as
good as you are but who may approximate your skills and
talents.
All right. You may step back.
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(Juror not present)
THE COURT: I'm not going to excuse him.
THE LAW CLERK: On 60, the conversation about the
police officer was while he's standing up over there, and I
think we had a conversation at sidebar.
THE COURT: So No. 60, the young man who was talking
about his father being an auxiliary police officer, do we agree
that he should be struck for cause?
MR. FINKEL: Yes, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay.
(In open court)
THE COURT: Is there someone else responding to the
last question? Okay.
JUROR: Juror 81, your Honor.
THE COURT: What number is that?
JUROR: Juror 81.
THE COURT: Yes. Go ahead.
JUROR: I'm a member of the military reserves, and
they've been telling us about potential conflict with China,
but that's pretty much——
THE COURT: Okay. So I imagine that they must tell
you that we need to prepare to deal with any number of
different countries; isn't that correct?
JUROR: Yes.
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THE COURT: Okay. So the fact that they may have
mentioned China, would that prevent you from being a fair and
impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Do you have any particularly strong
feelings about China?
JUROR: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. You may be seated.
You may hear testimony about or from former senior
members of the Trump administration, including Steve Bannon and
Peter Navarro. Do you have any strong views about advisors to
former president Donald Trump, including Steve Bannon and Peter
Navarro, that would prevent you from being a fair and impartial
juror in this case?
All right. Please step up.
(At the sidebar; juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What's your number?
JUROR: 11, your Honor.
THE COURT: What did you want to tell me?
JUROR: To be truthful, I don't trust them. I don't
trust Steve Bannon. Those are my——
THE COURT: So——
JUROR: Just in terms of what I've read in the news.
THE COURT: So there may be things in the news about
an individual that concern you, but we're not thinking about an
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individual generally. It's only with respect to this case.
And so what a juror has to do is to come in with an open mind
and listen to the evidence in the case, listen to the
witnesses, review the documents, follow my instructions on the
law——
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: ——and not concern themselves with things
they've heard outside the courtroom.
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: Can you do that and be a fair and
impartial juror?
JUROR: I don't think so, your Honor, to be very
honest.
THE COURT: Why not?
JUROR: I've just been following a lot of the news
over the past four years, and his beliefs are not my beliefs,
and that's pretty much how I feel about that, your Honor.
THE COURT: I understand that maybe his politics are
different from your own.
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: But the question is: Can you, knowing
that you disagree with him——you can disagree with a person,
right? I'm sure that you have family members or friends where
you strongly disagree with them.
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
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THE COURT: But does that make you unable to be fair
and impartial towards them?
JUROR: No, your Honor. I understand the question.
THE COURT: You can be fair and impartial in this
case?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
MR. KAMARAJU: Your Honor, she's clearly struggling
with that answer. She said no initially. Obviously your Honor
brought up the family member analogy and that brought her
around, but she very clearly, from my perspective, said that
her feelings about Steve Bannon, who is going to come up in the
trial in connection with the businesses here, she doesn't trust
him, she doesn't think he's honest, so I don't think there's
any way that she should not be excused for cause.
MS. SHROFF: Also, your Honor, the fact pattern is
such that Steve Bannon is standing, according to the
government's evidence, next to Mr. Guo, making a political
announcement. If she actually said, I simply don't trust
Bannon, she's obviously going to——the obvious context is, it's
in the very context in which she doesn't trust him, and her
words were, "I don't think so, your Honor, to be honest." She
only came around because the link was to a family member, whom
you have to like whether or not you disagree or not. Family,
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you're stuck with.
THE COURT: So what context do you understand that
Mr. Bannon is going to come up, if you feel comfortable telling
me that?
MS. SHROFF: I don't know. It's the government's
proof. They can——
THE COURT: I don't know. I don't know if you're
bringing him up. I don't know.
MS. SHROFF: No. The government is going to bring him
up, not us.
THE COURT: The only thing I know about Mr. Bannon and
Mr. Guo is that Mr. Bannon was arrested on his yacht. Is there
more to it than that?
MR. FINKEL: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay.
MR. FINKEL: There's more to it than that. Just to be
transparent, of course, to the Court, the government views
Mr. Bannon as a co-conspirator in this case. What's at issue
here is whether or not this juror can be fair and impartial.
As defense counsel both pointed out earlier, everyone brings
their own sort of common sense and biases to any interaction
they have. And what matters, which is key for the Court, your
Honor, is when you asked her, can you be fair and impartial,
can you place what you know out of the courtroom outside of
your mind and base your decision only on the witnesses and the
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evidence you hear in this case, and she said yes. So if they
want to strike her as a peremptory, they're free to do that.
MS. SHROFF: That's not what happened. She said, "No,
I don't think so, your Honor, to be honest." Then the Court
analogized and asked about the family structure. Then she let
out——and I wrote down on my card a big sigh, and she stopped.
So I do not think that that is correctly characterized.
THE COURT: Let's bring her back.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: I expect that Stephen Bannon will come up
in this case, and you expressed disagreement with his political
views.
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: Knowing that he will come up in the case,
can you put aside your negative views toward him——I understand
that you have them, but put them aside and be a fair and
impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: You may step back.
(Juror not present)
MR. KAMARAJU: We renew our objection, your Honor.
MR. SCHIRICK: Only because I've been recently
reviewing some of the government's exhibits, one of the
government's summary exhibits that they plan to introduce very
early on for one of the early witnesses very prominently has
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Steve Bannon on videos with his speaking by association with
Mr. Guo and the Rule of Law Foundation. So right up front
we're going to have to confront this issue where Mr. Bannon is
speaking essentially on behalf of the defendant.
THE COURT: Okay. Could you read back to me my
question and her answer.
(Record read)
THE COURT: All right. I believe that I have
rehabilitated her and so I am not going to dismiss her for
cause.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, Stephen Bannon isn't just
going to come up. The evidence that she's going to be
receiving is that Miles Guo and Stephen Bannon jointly put
forward a political movement, right, and she has said she
distrusts that. So at the very least could the Court ask her
that if there was evidence linking the defendant to Mr. Bannon,
would she still be fair and impartial towards the defendant,
while she's judging him? It's not a by line that Steve Bannon
is——the way the question comes up is, Steve Bannon's name will
come up. Sure, his name may come up. Then we wouldn't have
this argument. But he's closely aligned. There's a lot of
testimony that comes out about Steve Bannon here.
THE COURT: What I asked her to assume is that he is
involved in this case. That's what I said. And I'm
acknowledging that she has a bad impression of Stephen Bannon,
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and she has said she can still be fair. I'm not going to
dismiss her for cause.
Could we have the next person.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. What is your number?
JUROR: 16.
THE COURT: And your name, please.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What is the issue?
JUROR: I think I would find it difficult to be
impartial given that there might be Trump administration
individuals involved in the case.
THE COURT: So you feel that you have a bias for or
against people who are affiliated with Donald Trump?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: So if I told you that there are
individuals who are involved in the case who are associated
with Donald Trump, knowing that now, could you set aside
whatever your feelings are, good or bad, can you set them aside
and come into the court with an open mind, listen to the
evidence of the case, hear the witnesses, review the
documentary evidence, follow my instructions on the law, and be
a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: I could. I just don't know that I would
believe what they're saying is true. So even though I could
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listen to your instructions and try to follow them, I don't
know that I would feel that I could trust the testimony they
gave as inherently true, just——
THE COURT: So I understand you to say that you have a
bias against people involved with Donald Trump; is that
correct?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: All right. I think that she should be
dismissed for cause.
MR. KAMARAJU: Thank you, your Honor.
THE COURT: No. 16, is that correct?
MS. SHROFF: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right, then.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: No. 15.
THE COURT: Yes.
JUROR: 15.
THE COURT: And your name, please.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What's your last name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the issue?
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JUROR: I'm not sure I can trust the testimony of
Steve Bannon.
THE COURT: So I'm not saying that he necessarily will
be testifying in this case. What I'm saying is that he will
come up. He is an involved individual. And so it sounds to
me, when you say that you cannot trust him, that you have a
negative viewpoint of him.
JUROR: I think he's a vile human being.
THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: Sorry.
THE COURT: Is that because of the political views
that he has expressed?
JUROR: No. It's more as a woman. I just find him to
be despicable.
THE COURT: Okay. I understand you have negative,
intensely negative feelings about him.
JUROR: Thank you for acknowledging that.
THE COURT: But the question is, can you, knowing that
you have these feelings, put them aside and come into the
courtroom with an open mind, listen to the witnesses testify,
review the documentary evidence, follow my instructions on the
law, and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: Yes, I do think I can do that.
THE COURT: Excellent. You can step back.
JUROR: Thank you.
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(Juror not present)
MR. KAMARAJU: We're going to object. I understand
her answer, but just so I can make the record, she referred to
Steve Bannon as a "vile human being." Steve Bannon is the
reputed chairman of GTV and he's involved in the Rule of Law
Foundation. He's in a video with Mr. Guo. He's going to be
all over the case. And to have a juror who views him as, to
use her term, a "vile human being," regardless of her answer——
THE COURT: Would you feel the same if she said that
he was a saintly individual?
MR. KAMARAJU: Well, obviously I would take a
different perspective, but I think they would object, your
Honor, and on the same basis.
THE COURT: But an individual can be conscious of
their feelings, good or bad, and still set them aside. She has
said that she can set them aside. I do not believe she should
be dismissed for cause.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, maybe if you could just ask a
clarifying question whether or not she could judge Mr. Guo
fairly if she heard testimony that Mr. Guo and Mr. Bannon were
in business together? That's the question I would ask.
Because the government's evidence is going to show they're hand
in hand for months at a time, the government is going to allege
that Mr. Guo bought Mr. Bannon a house, the government is going
to allege, literally, that he's a co-conspirator. So if a
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despicable human being is in a chain with you and you're a
woman——and, you know, as a woman, I have my own issues with
Mr. Bannon, but I'm just saying, it's not that Bannon's name is
going to appear. It's that Bannon and Mr. Guo are going to be
linked by the government. So the government's proof is that
they're in business together. Then would you be able to be
fair to Mr. Guo? That's the question. It's not a peripheral
appearance by Mr. Bannon. So if it was Donald Trump, yeah,
that's a peripheral appearance because Bannon——I mean, Mr. Guo
and Donald Trump don't stand on a yacht together announcing the
Rule of Law Foundation or doing anything else. They're
actually——the evidence is, they are together.
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, the key fact about the
interaction with that prospective juror is, the Court asked
her, can you be fair and impartial, despite your prior opinions
on Mr. Bannon. She emphatically said yes. That's all that
matters. That's what matters.
MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.
MS. SHROFF: That's not all that matters, actually.
THE COURT: I'd like to bring her back.
(Juror present)
JUROR: Hi.
THE COURT: Beforehand, you used the words "vile" and
"despicable" to describe Mr. Bannon.
JUROR: Yes.
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THE COURT: And I asked you whether you could set
aside your negative feelings and come into the court with an
open mind and listen to the evidence in this case and follow my
instructions on the law and be fair and impartial. You
answered yes.
JUROR: If he's not on the witness stand. I said that
before that I don't know if I could believe his word.
THE COURT: Right. Okay. So let us assume that he's
not going to be on the witness stand but that there will be an
allegation that he has a business relationship with the
defendant. Can you set aside your negative feelings about
Mr. Bannon and come into the courtroom with an open mind and
listen to the evidence of the case, follow my instructions on
the law, and be a fair and impartial juror, knowing that that
is an allegation?
JUROR: That he has a business dealing with the
defendant.
THE COURT: Correct.
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Very good. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
MR. KAMARAJU: We made our record. We're going to
renew our objection.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Your number, please.
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JUROR: 40.
THE COURT: And your name.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the problem?
JUROR: The question was, do I have an issue with
Steve Bannon or former Trump officials?
THE COURT: Yes.
JUROR: Yes, I would have a hard time believing
anything Steve Bannon said.
THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
MS. SHROFF: Didn't we let her go already?
THE COURT: Yes, we did.
(Next juror present)
JUROR: I'm juror 47, your Honor.
THE COURT: Yes.
JUROR: I just have a——against Trump, political views
against Trump and Steve Bannon, and I don't think I would be
able to be partial in this case.
THE COURT: Okay. Thank you for coming forward.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: We've already excused him.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: What is your number?
JUROR: 52.
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THE COURT: Your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And the issue, please?
JUROR: And the issue is more when you mention Trump,
it just triggers the reaction. I can't in full conscience say
I will be without prejudice with the mentioning of Steve
Bannon. I would like to think I would, but I——I can't be.
THE COURT: I appreciate your candor. You may step
back.
(Juror not present)
MS. SHROFF: He was already struck, right?
THE COURT: Yes, he was.
MS. SHROFF: Thank you.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?
JUROR: 88.
THE COURT: And your name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what would you like to tell me?
JUROR: All I know about Mr. Guo at this point is that
he gave Steve Bannon a yacht to live on for two years, and I
think that's——I think that's accurate. And I would not really
be able to trust anything Mr. Bannon said.
THE COURT: So if I tell you that Mr. Bannon is not
going to be a witness in this case but the prosecution alleges
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that Mr. Bannon and the defendant had a business relationship——
JUROR: Yeah.
THE COURT: ——can you set aside whatever feelings that
you have based on things you've heard outside of the courtroom?
Can you set those feelings aside, come into the courtroom with
an open mind, listen to the evidence in the case, hear the
witness testimony, review the documentary evidence, follow my
instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: I would do my best.
THE COURT: Well, I need a yes or no answer.
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
MR. KAMARAJU: We're going to object, your Honor, that
he's not being struck for cause. What he said was he couldn't
trust——he couldn't trust anything that Steve Bannon said. The
government's allegations are going to involve things that Steve
Bannon said, that they claim are false. What the juror says is
that he can't trust anything, he doesn't know anything about
the evidence, but a juror who says that——
THE COURT: All right. Let's bring him back.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. I believe that you said that
you would not be able to trust Steve Bannon if he was a
witness; is that correct?
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JUROR: Correct. Correct.
THE COURT: Okay. So I expect that the government is
going to put forth statements made by Mr. Bannon during the
case, and so my question for you is, can you still put aside
these negative feelings that you have about Mr. Bannon and
knowing that his statements may be part of this trial, can you
come into the courtroom with an open mind and listen to the
evidence in the case, listen to the witnesses, follow my
instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Very good. Step back.
(Juror not present)
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What's your number?
JUROR: No. 60.
THE COURT: Okay. Go ahead.
JUROR: If Steve Bannon's testimony is involved, I
can't trust a word that Bannon said. I can't——I think he's a
cheat and a liar. He and Cohen and Flynn and Trump himself and
the rest are despicable, so——
THE COURT: Thank you for your honesty. You may step
back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: He's already been excused.
MR. FINKEL: Yes. He's really been trying so, so
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hard.
(Next juror present)
JUROR: 89.
THE COURT: And your name, please.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: Yes. Go ahead.
JUROR: I have to be honest. It's been a minute. The
question is that Steve Bannon is going to be a witness,
potentially?
THE COURT: Not that he would be a witness but that he
is involved in the case. There's an allegation that he has a
business relationship with the defendant.
JUROR: Okay. So my political leanings are not
particularly——what's been going on over the last eight years
would lead me to have a bias against Steve Bannon. I don't
know how that would affect my view of his testimony. I would
try to be unbiased, but I can't promise that.
THE COURT: Thank you for your candor. You may step
back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: She's already been excused.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hi. Your number, please.
JUROR: 42.
THE COURT: And your name.
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JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: Go ahead.
JUROR: So given my sort of preconceptions of one of
the individuals you mentioned, I would have a difficult time.
THE COURT: Which individual?
JUROR: Steve Bannon.
THE COURT: So you have strong feelings about
Mr. Bannon?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: You don't need to tell me whether they're
favorable or unfavorable.
JUROR: Yup.
THE COURT: But I expect the prosecution to allege
that he had a business relationship with the defendant. And
knowing that, could you put aside whatever feelings you have
towards him and come into the court with an open mind, listen
to the witness testimony, review the documentary evidence,
follow my instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial
juror?
JUROR: In all honesty, no.
THE COURT: All right. You may step back.
(Juror not present)
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What is your number, please?
JUROR: 46.
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THE COURT: And your name.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And the last name?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: Okay. And what would you like to tell me?
JUROR: About bias for Steve Bannon, right?
THE COURT: Yes.
JUROR: I wouldn't trust anything he would say under
oath if he were a witness.
THE COURT: So he's not going to be a witness.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: I expect that the government is going to
allege that he had a business relationship with the defendant.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: And so you said that you couldn't trust
him. Essentially you're expressing negative feelings toward
him. But the question is, can you put aside, can you push away
those negative feelings and come into the courtroom with an
open mind and listen to the witness testimony, review the
documentary evidence, follow my instructions on the law, and be
a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: I would think with my feelings, my bias, it
might be a little more heavy, honestly.
THE COURT: Understood. Understood. Tell me your
number, one more time.
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JUROR: 46.
THE COURT: Thank you very much.
JUROR: All right. Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: So I am going to dismiss 46 for cause.
MR. FINKEL: No objection.
(Next juror present)
JUROR: 75, your Honor. XXXXXXXXXX. I'd have a tough
time, given the credibility of either of those two people you
mentioned.
THE COURT: All right. Understood. You may step
back.
JUROR: Okay.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: He's already been——
MR. FINKEL: Yeah.
MR. KAMARAJU: Yeah.
THE COURT: Yes.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: Hello. What's your number?
JUROR: Juror 94.
THE COURT: And your name.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: And what is the issue?
JUROR: I don't believe I could be a fair——hearing the
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testimony from Bannon.
THE COURT: So I would not expect Mr. Bannon to
testify.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: I expect that the government is going to
say that he had a business relationship with the defendant.
And so could you put aside these feelings that you have
developed about Mr. Bannon up till now, can you put them aside
and come into the court with an open mind, listen to the
witness testimony, review the documentary evidence, follow my
instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: I would do my best.
THE COURT: So I need a yes or no answer.
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Okay. Thank you.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: What number is that?
MS. SHROFF: 94.
THE COURT: 94. So I will excuse her for cause.
(Next juror present)
JUROR: 95.
THE COURT: One moment, sir. One moment.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: All right, sir. What is your number?
JUROR: 95.
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THE COURT: Your name again?
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: What is the problem?
JUROR: So this is——this is an issue with the Trump
administration. So I believe with all the misinformation, they
divided the country to an extreme. And I believe you
specifically mentioned Steve Bannon. I remember him being on
TV where they had Trump, former Trump, Donald Trump having
personal, physical contact with Steve Bannon, and the
negative——given my negative opinion on Trump, that is my
feeling on that.
THE COURT: You're saying that you have negative
feelings toward Trump advisors?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: So the question is, well, first of all, I
don't expect Mr. Bannon to be a witness in the case. But I do
expect that the prosecution will allege that he had a business
relationship with Mr. Guo. And so the question is, can you put
aside these negative feelings that you have developed and come
into the courtroom with an open mind and listen to the witness
testimony, review the documentary evidence, and follow my
instructions on the law and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: I'll definitely give it a try, but the thing
is, I cannot view him as an honest person because he definitely
did contribute a lot toward the Donald Trump——former election
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of Donald Trump, president Trump. I mean, I have no idea
whether he is a——I have no idea. But if he is here as a
witness and if I'm hearing him, I cannot give a hundred percent
confidence that I'll completely trust.
THE COURT: So he's not going to appear as a witness.
JUROR: Okay, okay, okay.
THE COURT: The allegation is that Mr. Guo has
business dealings with him.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: And so he will be mentioned.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: And the question is whether you can put
aside your negative feelings about him that you come into the
courtroom with now.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: And you can be aware that you have these
negative feelings, but push them aside and come into the
courtroom with an open mind, listen to the witness testimony,
review the documentary evidence, and be a fair and impartial
juror.
JUROR: I'll definitely try.
THE COURT: Okay. You can step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: He's number what?
MR. FINKEL: 95.
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JUROR: I'm going to dismiss him for cause.
(Next juror present)
THE COURT: No. 98? Your name, ma'am.
JUROR: Yes, my name is XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: Go ahead.
JUROR: I find the previous administration's sense of
alternative facts to be the root of a significant threat to
American democracy; I find Mr. Bannon to be as repugnant a
human being as you can find; I think that he's a liar, that
he's a master manipulator, probably a thief; and I can't
imagine any evidence that would change my mind about that.
THE COURT: Thank you for your candor. You may step
back.
JUROR: Thank you.
(Juror not present)
(Next juror present)
JUROR: Good afternoon.
THE COURT: You're No. 22? And your name, sir.
JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT: Okay. And what would you like to say?
JUROR: Yes. I think my concern is really about Steve
Bannon. I happen to listen to the news a lot, and I personally
don't like his position when it comes to race matters, his view
on people like me. So whatever he has to say, really, I don't
really find anything positive coming out of him. So him——with
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that in mind, him as a witness would——I think it would——it will
impair or affect my judgment of anything he has to say.
THE COURT: So he will not be appearing as a witness.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: The government alleges that Mr. Bannon had
a business relationship with Mr. Guo.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: And so there will be statements made by
Mr. Bannon, but he is not going to be present in the courtroom.
And so the question is, can you put aside these negative
feelings that you already have about him, can you put them
aside, come into the courtroom with an open mind, listen to the
witness testimony, review the documentary evidence, follow my
instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: Those are the concerns that I would try to
work on, but I will work on it is what I can say standing right
here. I would try to work on it. I can't give a definite yes
or no, right now, just because of those feelings.
THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.
JUROR: Okay.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: He's 22? I'm going to excuse him for
cause.
MR. KAMARAJU: Your Honor, we were just going to ask
if you would ask a specific question with respect to statements
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from Mr. Bannon as part of the government's proof with jurors
11 and 16.
THE COURT: If you'll have 11 come back.
MS. MURRAY: 16 was struck.
MR. KAMARAJU: Oh, 16 was struck? Then obviously——
MS. SHROFF: No. No. You have the wrong number then.
MR. KAMARAJU: 15, your Honor. I apologize.
MS. SHROFF: 11 and 15, your Honor. I'm sorry.
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MR. FINKEL: The government has no objection to the
additional question about the statements. I think really the
heart of the matter is whether the jurors can be fair and
impartial or whether they would associate that because the
defendant had a business relationship with him, they couldn't
be fair and impartial and they couldn't put that out of their
mind. That's really the inquiry.
MS. SHROFF: It's not just a business relationship.
The government is going to argue that they were on a yacht
together for days and weeks at a time; that he lived with
Bannon and Guo, they lived together; Guo gave him a ton of
money; Bannon joins in his political movement.
We're not talking about a business relationship where,
you know, to a bank, I lent him ten grand and then he didn't
pay my ten grand back. There's a business relationship, and
then there's Guo and Bannon. And that is going to come from
the government. They are going to put that forward.
MR. KAMARAJU: Just to be specific, the particular
part of the business relationship are businesses that the
government alleges to be part of the racketeering enterprise,
so GTV, the Rule of Law Foundation. So it's not sort of an
esoteric relationship.
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, really what they're getting
at is whether the juror — and this is a fair question, whether
the juror would associate Mr. Bannon -- the mere association
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between the two of them would tend to make the juror have a
bias against the defendant, find against the defendant. That's
really the question. And if the answer to that is yes, I think
the government wouldn't object to cause.
THE COURT: All right. We'll have her come in.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. I had mentioned before that
Mr. Bannon is not going to be a witness. But the government
alleges that there was a business relationship between Mr. Guo,
the defendant, and Mr. Bannon.
Is the fact that they had this relationship going to
cause you to be biased against Mr. Guo?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: You can be a fair and impartial juror
despite that?
JUROR: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: Please step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: I'm going as far as I'm going to go.
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hello again.
JUROR: This is very nerve-racking.
THE COURT: I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
You're number again?
JUROR: 15.
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THE COURT: Okay. So I had mentioned before that
Mr. Bannon is not going to be testifying.
JUROR: Okay.
THE COURT: What is alleged is that the defendant,
Mr. Guo, and Mr. Bannon had a business relationship. The fact
that the government will allege that they had a business
relationship, is that going to cause you to be biased against
Mr. Guo, the defendant?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: You can be fair and impartial?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: All righty. Please step back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: Is that it?
THE LAW CLERK: Yes, Judge.
THE COURT: Okay.
(In open court)
THE COURT: Do you have any strong views about
cryptocurrency that would prevent you from being a fair and
impartial juror?
All righty. If you'll step up please.
(At sidebar)
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there.
JUROR: Hi there.
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THE COURT: And what is your number?
JUROR: 99.
THE COURT: Okay. What did you want to tell me?
JUROR: Well, I never care for the whole idea of
cryptocurrency because I felt like who do they think they are,
trying to change the American gold standard? And so it turned
me off. And I thought that it was just some kind of ripoff,
the people, kind of falsehood.
THE COURT: Okay. Thank you for your candor.
All right. You may go back.
(Juror not present)
THE COURT: We can go back.
MS. SHROFF: Okay. Thank you.
Your Honor, are we going till 5 today, straight
through?
THE COURT: Oh, yes, yes, yes.
MS. SHROFF: I just want to know if you're going to
take a bathroom break.
THE COURT: I'm not going to take a break unless one
of these potential jurors asks me.
MS. SHROFF: All right. Then I'll just grin and bear
it.
(In open court)
THE COURT: Is it your opinion that the actions
charged in the indictment as I have described them should not
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be crimes or should not be prosecuted by the government?
Have you been involved as a defendant, victim,
witness, or in any other way in any prosecution for fraud or
money laundering?
The defendant is charged with acting with others in
committing the alleged crimes. Some of those other individuals
are not on trial in this case. You may not draw any inference,
favorable or unfavorable, toward the government or the
defendant from that fact. You also may not speculate as to the
reason why other persons are not on trial.
Would any of you have any difficulty following this
instruction?
Have you, a family member or close friend, ever been
involved or appeared as a witness in any investigation by a
federal or state grand jury or by a congressional or state
legislative committee, licensing authority or governmental
agency?
Have you, a family member or close friend, ever been
questioned in any manner by a federal, state, or local law
enforcement agency, including the FBI?
Your number please?
JUROR: 76.
THE COURT: Okay. And what happened?
JUROR: I tried to be an FBI agent when I was about 21
years old and I went through the whole process.
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THE COURT: Okay. Thank you for letting me know.
Anybody else? Your number?
JUROR: 15. I have numerous friends and family that
work for the federal government. And one or two of them, I was
interviewed by the FBI as part of their security clearance.
THE COURT: So you essentially were a reference for
those individuals?
JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: Is there anything about that experience
that would cause you to be biased in favor of or against either
party in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Anybody else?
Have you, a family member or close friend, ever been a
witness or a complainant in any hearing or trial, whether
state, local, or federal?
JUROR: No. 10. I was a witness probably 25 years
ago. And I worked in retail for shoplifting cases, but that's
about it.
THE COURT: And what court did you appear in?
JUROR: Queens, Queens County Court.
THE COURT: And is there anything about that
experience as a witness in a shoplifting case that would
prevent you from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
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THE COURT: Did you witness the shoplifting?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Would that make you favor the government
in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you be biased against the
government?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would it make you favor the defendant in
the case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you be biased against the defendant?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Are you, a family member or close friend,
under subpoena or, to your knowledge, about to be subpoenaed in
a criminal case?
Have you, a family member or close friend, ever been
charged with a crime?
Have you, a family member or close friend, ever been
the subject of any investigation or accusation by any grand
jury, federal or state? If you'll step up, please.
(At sidebar)
(Juror present)
THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?
JUROR: 16.
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THE COURT: And what did you want to tell me?
JUROR: My grandfather was accused of fraud and
assault by a partner. And he was put in jail briefly. I don't
think it was -- he was ever fully charged. But he -- he was
put in jail because of assault towards her, and she accused him
of fraud. Social Security fraud, I think.
THE COURT: All righty. Thank you very much.
(Juror not present)
(In open court)
THE COURT: Anyone else? Okay.
Have you, a family member or close friend, ever been
the victim of a crime?
Go ahead. Your number?
JUROR: 89. I was mugged.
THE COURT: All righty. Thank you for letting me
know.
Who else?
JUROR: 52.
THE COURT: No. 52. You're saying that you were
mugged; is that correct?
JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: Who else?
JUROR: No. 58. My car was stolen.
THE COURT: No. 58. Your car was stolen.
And so when did that happen?
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JUROR: About ten years ago.
THE COURT: And where was that?
JUROR: In Brooklyn.
THE COURT: Did you report that to the police?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Did you get the car back?
JUROR: I did. Not in good condition, but, yes.
THE COURT: Were you satisfied with the way the police
handled the case?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Is there anything about that experience
that would cause you to be biased against the defendant?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you favor the defendant?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you be biased against the
government?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you favor the government?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Who else?
JUROR: My sister was recently shot.
THE COURT: I'm so sorry to hear that. Is she okay?
JUROR: She is alive, but "okay" would be stretching
it.
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THE COURT: Very sorry to hear that. And I hope that
she recovers.
Who else?
JUROR: I was mugged twice.
THE COURT: And what number are you?
JUROR: Oh, 88. Sorry.
THE COURT: And when did those muggings happen?
JUROR: Probably 20, 25 years ago.
THE COURT: Was that here in New York?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And did you report the muggings?
JUROR: Yes. Well, one I reported one -- no, I
reported both of them.
THE COURT: And was anybody held accountable?
JUROR: Well, the perpetrator of the second mugging
was arrested for a much worse mugging. And he was held
accountable for that. I don't know what happened to my case.
THE COURT: And the first matter was not dealt with at
all?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Okay. So given that you were mugged twice
and no one was held accountable for those muggings, would that
interfere with your ability to be a fair and impartial juror in
this case?
JUROR: No.
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THE COURT: Anybody else?
JUROR: 16. My boyfriend was mugged a couple of
months ago.
THE COURT: Thank you for telling me.
One moment.
JUROR: Hello. No. 42.
THE COURT: And what happened?
JUROR: I had money removed from my bank account on
two occasions by an illegal -- by somebody else who shouldn't
have been doing that.
THE COURT: Who else?
JUROR: No. 90. My home was burglarized.
THE COURT: And where was that?
JUROR: In Westchester County.
THE COURT: And was anybody held accountable?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: And when did this happen?
JUROR: 2015.
THE COURT: You reported it to the police?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Were you satisfied with the way the police
handled the case?
JUROR: Yes, but we lost a lot of things.
THE COURT: So considering that, your house was
burglarized, you lost possessions, no one was held accountable,
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would that cause you to have a bias against the defendant in
this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you have a bias against the
government in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you be biased in favor of the
defendant?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Biased in favor of the government?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Anyone else?
Have you ever served on a jury or grand jury in
federal or state court? What number?
JUROR: 76.
THE COURT: And when was that?
JUROR: I would say about 20 years ago.
THE COURT: Okay. Who else?
JUROR: 75. A grand jury here in the Southern
District about six or seven years ago.
THE COURT: Who else?
JUROR: Juror 77. Like four or five years ago, here.
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THE COURT: Here in this courthouse?
JUROR: No, it was state.
THE COURT: It was state court?
JUROR: Yeah.
THE COURT: And was it a civil or criminal case?
JUROR: Criminal.
THE COURT: And without telling me the verdict, did
you reach a verdict?
JUROR: Partial. Not all the counts --
THE COURT: Did the jury reach a unanimous verdict on
at least one count?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay. Given your experience in state
court, is there anything that would prevent you from being a
fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Who else?
JUROR: Number 88. I've been on civil and criminal in
New York state and also federal court.
THE COURT: In what county?
JUROR: Manhattan, New York.
THE COURT: And the criminal cases that you were on,
did they reach a verdict?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay. And the civil cases, what happened
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in those cases?
JUROR: Reached a verdict.
THE COURT: And how recent was the most recent jury
service?
JUROR: That I was actually on the case?
THE COURT: That you were a member of the jury.
JUROR: 20 years ago, I would say.
THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: 42. This was a state case, criminal, well
over ten years ago.
THE COURT: Thank you.
Who else?
JUROR: No. 52. I was in a civil case in Kings County
about 15 years ago.
THE COURT: Thank you.
Who else?
JUROR: So No. 12. I was on a state criminal case in
2016 as an alternate juror.
THE COURT: And were you placed on the jury? Did you
substitute in for one of the jurors?
JUROR: I was on the jury; so I listened to the entire
trial, but I was excused before the decision.
THE COURT: So you didn't participate in reaching a
verdict; correct?
JUROR: Correct.
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THE COURT: How long ago was that?
JUROR: 2016.
THE COURT: Okay. Who else?
JUROR: No. 5. Civil. Ten years ago.
THE COURT: Where?
JUROR: Manhattan county.
THE COURT: And did that go to verdict?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: Criminal trial in the Bronx, Bronx Criminal
Court, 15 years ago maybe.
THE COURT: All right. Without telling me the
verdict, did the jury reach a verdict?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay. Is there anything about that
experience that would prevent you from being a fair and
impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you give the microphone to Juror No.
5.
Is there anything about your experience being a juror
that would prevent you from being a fair and impartial juror in
this case?
JUROR: No, ma'am.
THE COURT: The government witnesses in this case will
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include agents and analysts from the FBI. Would any of you be
more or less likely to believe a witness merely because he or
she is a law enforcement officer? And I address this question
to those who have not already answered it.
Some of the evidence admitted at trial may come from
searches performed by law enforcement officers. I instruct you
that those searches were legal and that the evidence obtained
from those searches is admissible in this case.
Do any of you have strong feelings about searches
conducted by law enforcement officers or the use of evidence
obtained from such searches that would interfere with your
ability to be a fair and impartial juror in this case?
Does anyone have any expectations about the types of
evidence that the government or the defendant should or will
present in this criminal trial or in a criminal trial more
generally?
Would everyone be able to follow the Court's
instruction that the government is not required to use any
particular technique in order to investigate a case? Is there
anybody who would not be able to follow that instruction?
Under our system of law, the jury determines the facts
and the Court determines the law. These two areas are separate
and distinct. At the end of the case, I will instruct you on
the law. You're required to accept the law as I explain it to
you. It will be your job to determine the facts subject to my
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explanation of the law. You may not substitute your notions of
what the law is or what you think it should be.
Is there anyone who feels that he or she is either
unwilling or unable to apply the law as I explain it to you?
Under our system of law, every defendant is presumed
innocent and cannot be found guilty unless a jury, having heard
all the evidence in the case, unanimously decides that the
evidence proves his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
Is there anyone who has any difficulty accepting the
law or the presumption of innocence as to the defendant?
Under our system of law, the burden of proof is on the
government. That burden never shifts to the defense. The
defendant does not have to prove his innocence, present any
evidence, testify, or cross-examine any of the government's
witnesses. If the defendant chooses not to testify, you cannot
hold that against him. Is there any juror who cannot follow
that instruction?
Conversely, if defense counsel decides to put on a
case on the defendant's behalf, that fact does not shift the
burden of proof to the defendant, nor does it diminish the
obligation of the government to prove the defendant's guilt
beyond a reasonable doubt. Would any of you have any
difficulty following this principle?
The law provides that only the evidence produced here
in the courtroom may be used by you to determine whether the
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government has met its burden of proving the defendant's guilt
beyond a reasonable doubt. You may not consider any outside
facts beyond the trial evidence. Is there anyone who has
difficulty accepting that law?
The law provides that the question of punishment is
for the judge alone to decide. The question of the possible
sentence that the defendant may receive cannot enter into your
deliberations as to the guilt or innocence of the defendant.
Is there any juror who cannot follow that instruction?
If the evidence establishes the defendant's guilt
beyond a reasonable doubt, is there anyone who feels that they
could not render a verdict of guilty?
If the evidence does not establish the defendant's
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, is there anyone who feels that
they could not render a verdict of not guilty?
Do any of you have any legal training? And I address
this question to those of you who have not already answered it.
What number are you?
JUROR: No. 40.
THE COURT: And what is the nature of your legal
training?
JUROR: I used to work for the Coalition of the
International criminal Court.
THE COURT: Okay. Who else?
JUROR: That's it for me.
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THE COURT: Does anyone have any religious,
philosophical, or other beliefs that would make him or her
unable to render a verdict?
All righty. I am now going to move on to questioning
the individual jurors. I'm going to start with No. 2.
If you would state your number.
JUROR: No. 2.
THE COURT: And your county of residence and
neighborhood during the last five years.
JUROR: I lived in the Bronx, and I just moved to
Manhattan this year.
THE COURT: Okay. How far did you go in school?
JUROR: To like college or -- like --
THE COURT: Did you graduate high school?
JUROR: Yes, yes. Bachelor's, college.
THE COURT: And you graduated college?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And what did you study in college?
JUROR: Biology and computer science.
THE COURT: And what is your current job?
JUROR: Laboratory technician for Columbia University.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: What do the members of your household do
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for a living?
JUROR: My mom works for the post office; my brother
works for Starbucks.
THE COURT: Do you like to read books, magazines, or
websites?
JUROR: Yeah. I like to read books.
THE COURT: What type of books?
JUROR: Fantasy.
THE COURT: Do you belong to any clubs or
organizations?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: Reading or playing video games.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: I don't believe so.
THE COURT: It calls for a yes or no answer.
JUROR: Sorry, no. Yeah, no. Sorry.
THE COURT: Now, going on to No. 4. If you would
state your number, your county of residence -- I'm sorry,
you're No. 3. No, I'm going to No. 4.
If you would state your number, your county of
residence, and your neighborhood during the past five years.
JUROR: I'm No. 4. I live in the Bronx for the past
30 years.
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THE COURT: How long?
JUROR: 30 years.
THE COURT: 30.
JUROR: Same place in the Bronx.
THE COURT: And what neighborhood there?
JUROR: 14th -- Ogden Avenue.
THE COURT: Ogden Avenue?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Actually, I don't think Juror No. 2 told
me the neighborhood.
JUROR: Hudson Yards.
THE COURT: Hudson Yards. Okay.
How far did you go in school?
JUROR: I went to Long Island University, get my
bachelor degree in 2013, education.
THE COURT: In 2013 you got an education degree?
JUROR: Yes. Bachelor degree.
THE COURT: And your current job?
JUROR: I work in the Department of Education, NYC
DOE, as a special education teacher assistant.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Yeah, I'm married.
THE COURT: And your spouse, what does that person do
for a living?
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JUROR: My wife stay home.
THE COURT: And is she a homemaker?
JUROR: Yes. Yeah.
THE COURT: Okay. And are there other adults in the
house who work?
JUROR: Yes. My daughter work at the New York City
Department of Housing and Preservation.
THE COURT: Who works at housing?
JUROR: My daughter.
THE COURT: Your daughter. Okay.
JUROR: My son graduate from computer science last
year. He going to start a new job very soon.
THE COURT: He has not started the job yet?
JUROR: No. He's -- not yet. Yeah, he's waiting for
it.
THE COURT: Okay. And do you like any types of books
or magazines or web sites?
JUROR: Yes, I do a lot of books about children mostly
because I'm a teacher. So usually I read those books, and
yeah.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: Listening to music. I like some documentary
on TV, scientific documentaries.
THE COURT: And is there anything that would prevent
you from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
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JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Okay. I'd like to go to No. 5.
Please state your number.
JUROR: No. 5.
THE COURT: Your county of residence.
JUROR: Manhattan.
THE COURT: And your neighborhood during the last five
years?
JUROR: Harlem. City College area.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Some college.
THE COURT: And what were you studying?
JUROR: Sociology.
THE COURT: Your current job?
JUROR: Executive assistant.
THE COURT: And you've held that for the last five
years?
JUROR: Ten years now.
THE COURT: And are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Single. Two kids.
THE COURT: Are there any adult members of the
household who work?
JUROR: Yes. Son just graduated Saturday, this past
Saturday.
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THE COURT: Congratulations.
JUROR: Thank you. Oldest one lives in Virginia, so
no. And then two parents.
THE COURT: So you said the son who just graduated.
JUROR: He has not started any job yet.
THE COURT: No job.
JUROR: Just came home.
THE COURT: And your parents, are they working?
JUROR: They both are retired. School teachers.
THE COURT: And then somebody in Virginia?
JUROR: Yeah, my oldest son.
THE COURT: He works?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: What does he do?
JUROR: He's an economist and banking.
THE COURT: Do you like to read any types of books,
magazines?
JUROR: Nope.
THE COURT: Websites?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: What's that?
JUROR: So I have Incoga (ph), Oquagminfacu (ph),
Ocusaka (ph).
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THE COURT: Could you tell me what those organizations
do?
JUROR: Those are all either nonprofit -- well, all of
them are nonprofit. But they based on -- from the origin from
Ghana, West Africa. And so they are all -- either one is
national -- well, two of them are national-based and one is
local.
THE COURT: And what is the purpose of the
organizations?
JUROR: Well, it's more for cultural-based. It's more
cultural-based.
THE COURT: Got it.
How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: Either working with those organizations,
helping out, and youth, with the youth.
THE COURT: Helping out youth?
JUROR: Mm-hmm.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: We'll come back to Juror No. 2.
How long have you been in the job that you have?
JUROR: Two years now as of May.
THE COURT: And what did you do before that?
JUROR: I graduated in 2021, and I didn't do anything
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until I got this job in 2022.
THE COURT: And No. 4, how long have you been at your
job?
JUROR: Since 2005.
THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: Close to 20 years now.
THE COURT: All righty.
I am now going to Juror No. 7. If you would please
state your number, your county of residence, and your
neighborhood during the last five years.
JUROR: Manhattan, Hell's Kitchen.
THE COURT: And what is your number?
JUROR: No. 7.
THE COURT: Okay. How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Bachelor's.
THE COURT: And what was the subject matter?
JUROR: Liberal arts.
THE COURT: Your current job?
JUROR: HR director.
THE COURT: And have you been doing that for the last
five years?
JUROR: For over 25 years.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Married.
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THE COURT: What does your spouse do for a living?
JUROR: He retired from the NYPD.
THE COURT: And was he an officer at the NYPD?
JUROR: He was a detective.
THE COURT: A detective.
And I expect that there will be law enforcement
witnesses in this case. Would you be able to judge their
testimony in the same way that you would judge the testimony of
any other witness?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Would you tend to have a bias in favor of
a law enforcement witness?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you have a bias against a law
enforcement witness?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Is there anything about your husband's
job, former job, that would prevent you from being fair and
impartial in this case?
JUROR: Maybe. Because I hear him all the time
talking about, you know, the news. And I'm listening to
opinions.
THE COURT: All right. So many people express
opinions one way or the other. And, of course, sometimes you
have different opinions from your husband.
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JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: And so my question is can you put aside
his opinions and treat both sides in this case fairly?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Do you think that because your husband was
in law enforcement, that that will give you a bias in favor of
the prosecution?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you have a bias against the
prosecution?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you be in favor of the defendant?
JUROR: I've had -- I don't -- no.
THE COURT: Would you be against the defendant?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: So are you saying that you have a bias
against the defendant?
JUROR: Repeat it?
THE COURT: In other words, do you come into this
courtroom already with feelings against the defendant?
JUROR: To be perfectly honest, yes, because I've
experienced --
THE COURT: So the question is can you put aside any
previous experiences that you may have and come into the
courtroom with an open mind, listen to the witness testimony,
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evaluate the documentary evidence, listen to my instructions on
the law, and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Are there any other adults in the
household who work?
JUROR: My son.
THE COURT: And what does he do?
JUROR: He's a para professional.
THE COURT: In what --
JUROR: Department of Education.
THE COURT: Do you like to read any types of books or
magazines?
JUROR: Just some basically health books of the mind
and the body.
THE COURT: Anything on the web that you like to read?
JUROR: Finance.
THE COURT: And are you belonging to any clubs or
organizations?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: Unfortunately, watching Netflix.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: All righty. If you would pass the
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microphone to No. 8.
Would you state your number, county of residence, and
neighborhood over the last five years.
JUROR: No. 8. No. 8.
THE COURT: And what county do you live in?
JUROR: Bronx.
THE COURT: And you've been there for at least five
years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And what neighborhood of the Bronx? What
section of the Bronx?
JUROR: Allerton.
THE COURT: Allerton.
How far did you go in school?
JUROR: School?
THE COURT: Yes.
JUROR: I was before ten years only for language.
THE COURT: Are you having any difficulty
understanding my questions?
JUROR: Yes, but I have -- here I have eleven years.
THE COURT: Okay.
JUROR: But I don't -- I don't have any school here.
THE COURT: No schooling here.
Where did you go to school?
JUROR: In my country.
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THE COURT: And where is that?
JUROR: Albania.
THE COURT: In Albania you went to school. Okay.
What is your job?
JUROR: Porter.
THE COURT: And have you been doing that for five
years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Married.
THE COURT: And what does your spouse do for a living?
Do you have a wife?
JUROR: Yes. We work together, same place.
THE COURT: Same place.
And other people in your home, do you have any other
people that have a job?
JUROR: My daughter. Only my daughter.
THE COURT: Your daughter? What does she do?
JUROR: Nothing.
THE COURT: How old is your daughter?
JUROR: 30.
THE COURT: 30?
JUROR: 30.
THE COURT: Okay.
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JUROR: She is disabled.
THE COURT: She's disabled. I see. So she can't
work.
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: No. Okay.
Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Only I watch TV and --
THE COURT: You like TV. Okay.
And do you have membership in any clubs?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: And is there anything that would prevent
you from being a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Okay. If you would pass the microphone to
No. 10.
If you would say your number.
JUROR: Ten, No. 10.
THE COURT: And your county of residence and
neighborhood.
JUROR: Westchester County, Valhalla.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Master's degree.
THE COURT: In what subject?
JUROR: Business management leadership.
THE COURT: And your current job?
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JUROR: Director of real estate and property
management.
THE COURT: And have you been doing that for at least
five years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: I am married.
THE COURT: And your spouse, what does that person do
for a living?
JUROR: She's a homemaker. She's a homemaker.
THE COURT: Homemaker. Okay.
Any other adults in the household who work?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Before children, yes. Well, I guess different
reading now, yes.
THE COURT: So what type of reading do you do now?
JUROR: A lot of children's books. Grumpy Monkey
mostly.
THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: Children, driving them around, taking them to
sports and things like that.
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THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: If you would pass the microphone to number
11.
If you'd state your number, please.
JUROR: 11.
THE COURT: And your county of residence.
JUROR: Bronx County for about 17 years.
THE COURT: And your neighborhood.
JUROR: Riverdale.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Bachelor's in mass communications.
THE COURT: And your current job.
JUROR: I'm an event planner.
THE COURT: And you've been doing that for the last
five years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: In a significant relationship.
THE COURT: And your significant other, what does that
person do for a living?
JUROR: He's a machine operator at LaGuardia and JFK
Airports.
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THE COURT: Anybody else in your household who works?
JUROR: None.
THE COURT: Any type of reading you like?
JUROR: Not particularly, no. I mainly focus on
social media.
THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: None.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: I'm a singer. I do weddings and parties.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: None, Judge.
THE COURT: If you could pass the microphone to No.
12.
Would you please state your number, your county of
residence, and your neighborhood.
JUROR: 12. And it's Manhattan, Murray Hill.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Bachelor's of business.
THE COURT: Your current job?
JUROR: Vice president of investor relations.
THE COURT: And have you been doing that for at least
the last five years?
JUROR: No, six months.
THE COURT: And before that?
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JUROR: I was a stock analyst at a bank for nine
years.
THE COURT: And are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And your significant other, what does that
person do for a living?
JUROR: She is head of human resources for a bank.
THE COURT: Any other adults in your household who
work?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Wall Street Journal.
THE COURT: Are you involved in clubs or
organizations?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: I don't have much spare time really. I work a
lot and so maybe travel, but that's about it. Nothing too
exciting.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Okay. If you could please pass the
microphone to No. 14.
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JUROR: He's not here.
THE COURT: He's not here?
Okay. Then to No. 15.
If you would state your number.
JUROR: No. 15. Manhattan, Manhattan Valley.
THE COURT: And you've been there for the last five
years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Master's of business administration.
THE COURT: Your current job?
JUROR: SVP of marketing and fund raising.
THE COURT: What type of setting?
JUROR: Healthcare. Nonprofit.
THE COURT: And you've been doing that for five years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship.
JUROR: Married.
THE COURT: And your spouse, what does that person do
for a living?
JUROR: He's a medical receptionist.
THE COURT: Did you say medical receptionist?
JUROR: Correct.
THE COURT: Any other adults in the house who work?
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JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Yeah. I like mysteries, I read The New York
Times if I have time, BBC.
THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: Travel. I love the theater. Enjoying New
York.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: If you would please hand the microphone to
No. 29 -- I'm sorry -- yeah, No. 29.
No. 34. Please state your number, your county of
residence, and your neighborhood during the last five years.
JUROR: No. 34. Bronx. Pelham Bay.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Bachelor's.
THE COURT: What subject?
JUROR: Economics.
THE COURT: What is your job of the last five years?
JUROR: Well, I just became a director eight months
ago. Before that I was an administrative manager for the
Department of Housing, Preservation and Development.
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THE COURT: If you could speak up into the microphone.
You said you were a director?
JUROR: I am currently.
THE COURT: You're currently a director of what?
JUROR: Of HPD, Housing, Preservation and Development.
THE COURT: And you used to do what?
JUROR: I was an admin manager before that.
THE COURT: And that accounts for the last five years?
JUROR: Yeah.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Significant relationship.
THE COURT: And your significant other, what does that
person do for a living?
JUROR: He's retired.
THE COURT: What did he used to do?
JUROR: Construction.
THE COURT: Are there any other adults in the
household who work?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Novels, romantic.
THE COURT: Okay. I want you to keep your voice up.
You said you like novels?
JUROR: Romantic novels.
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THE COURT: Romance novels.
Okay. Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Your spare time?
JUROR: Puzzles. Spend with my family.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Please go to No. 49.
If you would state your number, your county, and your
neighborhood.
JUROR: 49. Manhattan, East Village.
THE COURT: You've been there for the last five years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: High school.
THE COURT: What is your job?
JUROR: Porter.
THE COURT: Water?
JUROR: Porter, like a janitor.
THE COURT: Porter.
Are you married or in a significant relationship?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Are there other people in your house who
work?
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JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of books or magazines
or the websites?
JUROR: Sports, religion, and stuff.
THE COURT: Are you involved in clubs or
organizations?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: Hanging out with family.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: If you would please hand the mic to No.
51.
If you would state your number, your county of
residence, and neighborhood of the last five years.
JUROR: Number is 51. I live in Brooklyn; Green
Point, Brooklyn.
THE COURT: How long have you been living in Brooklyn?
JUROR: Since September.
THE COURT: Counsel, would you step up, please.
(At sidebar)
THE COURT: So it's my understanding that a Brooklyn
resident is not qualified to be a juror in the S.D.N.Y.;
correct?
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MS. SHROFF: Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT: So I will dismiss her. I'll just move on
to the next person. Okay.
(In open court)
THE COURT: If you would pass the microphone to No.
58.
JUROR: 58.
THE COURT: And your county of residence and
neighborhood during the last five years?
JUROR: Westchester County, New Rochelle.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: I have my doctorate.
THE COURT: In what subject?
JUROR: Physical therapy.
THE COURT: And you've been doing physical therapy for
the last five years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And your significant other, what does that
person do?
JUROR: They are a mechanic. Mechanic.
THE COURT: Mechanic.
Are there other adults in the house who work?
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JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Mostly business magazines.
THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Your spare time?
JUROR: I volunteer at the Humane Society.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: All righty.
If you would please pass the microphone to No. 69.
JUROR: No. 69.
THE COURT: Your county?
JUROR: Rockland County, Congers.
THE COURT: I'm sorry. Oh, there you are.
Rockland County in Congers. And you've been there for
at least the last five years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And how far did you go in school?
JUROR: Three years' college.
THE COURT: What subject?
JUROR: Engineering and computer science.
THE COURT: Your current job?
JUROR: I am an associate director of a facilities
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department.
THE COURT: Associate director. What type of
facility?
JUROR: It's a pharmaceutical manufacturing facility.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: I am married.
THE COURT: And your spouse, what does that person do
for a living?
JUROR: She's an accountant.
THE COURT: Are there other adults in the house who
work?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Yes, I do. I read engineering and science
books mostly.
THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: I belong to a boat club and I also belong to
some religious ministries.
THE COURT: In your spare time?
JUROR: The ministries and the book club.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Please pass the mic to No. 70.
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And if you would state your number, your county of
residence, and neighborhood over the last five years.
JUROR: No. 70. Lower East Side.
THE COURT: And you've been there for the last five
years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And how far did you go in school?
JUROR: I dropped out in high school and I'm in
college now.
THE COURT: So you got a GED?
JUROR: Yeah.
THE COURT: Great. And what are you studying now?
JUROR: Liberal arts.
THE COURT: And your current job?
JUROR: Maintenance. And I own two online stores.
THE COURT: What do you sell?
JUROR: Vitamins, my own product vitamins, and
clothing.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Yes, married.
THE COURT: And your spouse, what does that person do
for a living?
JUROR: She's a teacher assistant.
THE COURT: Anybody else in the household who works?
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JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Stephen King.
THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Your spare time?
JUROR: Just with my store and my kids.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you pass the microphone to number
73.
If you'd state your number, your county of residence,
and your neighborhood during the last five years.
JUROR: 73. Westchester. Yonkers.
THE COURT: You've been there for at least five years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And your current job?
JUROR: Associate director of finance budget.
THE COURT: In what sort of a setting?
JUROR: I'm sorry?
THE COURT: What type of a setting do you work in?
JUROR: In financial, yeah.
THE COURT: Okay. And you've been doing that for the
last five years?
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JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Significant, long distance. The Philippines.
THE COURT: You said a significant long distant what?
JUROR: Philippines. In the Philippines.
THE COURT: In the Philippines.
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Okay. And your significant other, does
that person work?
JUROR: Banking.
THE COURT: Are there any adults in the household who
work other than you?
JUROR: Brother, a nurse assistant at St. Barnabas.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Financial Access.
THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: None.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: House chores, documentaries.
THE COURT: Anything that would prevent you from being
a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: None.
THE COURT: No. 77, please.
If you'd state your name, your county of residence,
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and neighborhood of the last five years.
JUROR: 77. Manhattan. Central Harlem.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Bachelor of science and computer science.
THE COURT: What is your job?
JUROR: I'm currently not working.
THE COURT: And how recently did you have a job?
JUROR: Four and a half years ago.
THE COURT: And what did you do five and a half years
ago?
JUROR: I was in IT in a large financial institution.
THE COURT: And how long did you have that job?
JUROR: 23 years.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Significant relationship.
THE COURT: And your significant other, does that
person work?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: And are there any other adults in the
household who work?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Any type of reading that you like?
JUROR: Spirituality, esoteric art, photography, and
other things.
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THE COURT: Are you involved in clubs or
organizations?
JUROR: Yes. I'm a community leader in the Atlassian
user group. Atlassian is a software company.
THE COURT: I'm sorry, I am not following you. You
said you were a community leader in what kind of group?
JUROR: It's a user group of Atlassian software. It's
a collection of people that use software products by the
Atlassian Company. And so we plan and host events of other
people that use those products.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: Gardening and photography.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you pass the mic to No. 78.
JUROR: No. 78. I live in Manhattan county; been
living here for a little bit over five years. I live now in
the Upper East Side. The past five years I also lived in
Hell's Kitchen and Greenwich Village.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Bachelor's in business management.
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THE COURT: And your current job.
JUROR: I work in commercial lending. I've been doing
it for almost six years. Titles have changed, but it's the
same——pretty much the same work.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Engaged to be married, living in the same
apartment.
THE COURT: Congratulations. And your fiancée, what
does that individual do?
JUROR: She——she's a social worker.
THE COURT: And any other adults in the household who
work?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: What type of reading do you like?
JUROR: Self-help, mystery, and I——a little bit of
news from different sources. Mainly through Google News.
THE COURT: Namely through?
JUROR: Google News.
THE COURT: Google.
JUROR: Yeah.
THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Your spare time?
JUROR: Either running, reading, TV. Nothing in
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particular.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: If you'd pass the mic to juror 79.
Could you tell me your number, your county of
residence, and neighborhood of the last five years.
JUROR: No. 79. Manhattan, Hell's Kitchen.
THE COURT: I'm having difficulty hearing you.
JUROR: Sorry. No. 79, Manhattan, Hell's Kitchen.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Bachelor's of science.
THE COURT: And your current job.
JUROR: I'm a portfolio manager.
THE COURT: I'm sorry. I didn't get that.
JUROR: Portfolio manager.
THE COURT: And you've been doing that for the last
five years?
JUROR: Basically the same, different titles.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Significant relationship.
THE COURT: And your significant other, what does that
person do for a living?
JUROR: She's an attorney.
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THE COURT: What sort of law does she practice?
JUROR: Bankruptcy restructuring.
THE COURT: So would you be able to put aside anything
that you have learned about bankruptcy law, bankruptcy
proceedings, and only follow the evidence that you hear in this
case?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Science fiction. Whatever the Hudson News has
when I'm about to travel.
THE COURT: Science fiction, and did you say travel?
JUROR: Like whatever the Hudson News has before I——
THE COURT: I'm sorry. I'm having trouble hearing
you, sir. If you would please speak up.
JUROR: Sorry. It's whatever the bookstore has
available before I get on a flight.
THE COURT: If you could speak louder and slower.
JUROR: Whatever the bookstore has before I get on a
flight, so really anything.
THE COURT: And are there any other adults in your
household who work?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Are you involved in clubs or
organizations?
JUROR: Yeah, Jacques Pépin Foundation.
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THE COURT: What is that?
JUROR: It's——well, he's a TV chef, and the
organization writes grants to smaller nonprofits that train
people on culinary or professional skills.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: Video games, cooking.
THE COURT: Video games and what?
JUROR: Cooking.
THE COURT: Cooking. Is there anything that would
prevent you from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you pass the mic to No. 81, please.
JUROR: No. 81. From Westchester County, New
Rochelle.
THE COURT: And you've been there for at least five
years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Master's in information technology management.
THE COURT: And your current job.
JUROR: I'm a field service engineer for a medical
instruments company.
THE COURT: You've been doing that for the last five
years?
JUROR: Yeah. More than that. Ten. I'm also a
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member of Air Force Reserves.
THE COURT: You're also a member of the Air Force
Reserves?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: Married.
THE COURT: And your spouse, what does that person do
for a living?
JUROR: She works in retail management.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Yes. I like reading about technology, about
health, and religious books, self-help.
THE COURT: Are you involved in clubs or
organizations?
JUROR: I just help out in my church with the youth;
that's it.
THE COURT: And how do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: I like doing outdoor stuff, hiking, running; I
also love——like cooking and learning new things.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you pass the mic to No. 83, please.
JUROR: 83. Westchester. South Salem.
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THE COURT: You've been there for the last five years?
JUROR: Yes. Yes.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: I have a PhD.
THE COURT: In what subject?
JUROR: English and American literature.
THE COURT: Your current job?
JUROR: I'm retired. I was previously——I taught
English at the college level.
THE COURT: And how long have you been retired?
JUROR: 2003.
THE COURT: And how long did you work for?
JUROR: 20 years.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: I'm married.
THE COURT: And your spouse, what does that person do
for a living?
JUROR: He's retired. He was previously an
advertising executive.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: Yes. I read literary fiction, I read The New
Yorker, The New York Times, the New York Review of Books,
poetry.
THE COURT: And are there any adults in your house who
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work other than——
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: ——both you and your——well, you do not
work, but there are no others who work in the house?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: Yes. My local alumni club, yachting club.
THE COURT: So the yachting club and what other club?
JUROR: The Wellesley alumni club.
THE COURT: How would you describe what you do in your
spare time?
JUROR: Sailing, gardening, yoga. I'm interested in
ancestry so I help people discover their ancestry; Italian,
usually.
THE COURT: And is there anything that would prevent
you from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Would you please pass the microphone to
No. 88.
JUROR: No. 88. Manhattan. Greenwich Village.
THE COURT: And you've lived there for at least five
years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: How far did you go in school?
JUROR: Four years. Didn't graduate. Field was
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communications.
THE COURT: Your current job?
JUROR: I am an audio book narrator and I also work as
a standardized patient at a couple of medical schools.
THE COURT: Did you say a standardized patient?
JUROR: Standardized patient.
THE COURT: What does that mean?
JUROR: I pretend to be sick so the med students can
figure out what's wrong with me.
THE COURT: And this work that you've been doing as an
audio book narrator and a standardized patient, you've been
doing that for the last five years?
JUROR: Yes, ma'am.
THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Any adults in the house other than
yourself who work?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: I like politics, the arts, music.
THE COURT: Are you involved in any clubs or
organizations?
JUROR: I'm a member of the Screen Actors Guild and
also the musicians union. That's about it.
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THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: Practicing, surfing the web.
THE COURT: Practicing what?
JUROR: I play clarinet, sax, and flute also.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: I don't believe so, no.
THE COURT: All right. This calls for a yes or no
answer. Is there anything that would prevent you from being a
fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Please pass the mic to No. 90.
JUROR: No. 90. Westchester County. The Village of
Pelham Manor. I have a master's of art in teaching. I work at
a cultural institute, and I'm an associate director there of
education.
THE COURT: And you've been living in Pelham Manor for
the last five years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: And your work at a cultural institute,
you've also been doing that for at least five years?
JUROR: Yes.
THE COURT: What is your marital status? Are you
married or in a significant relationship?
JUROR: I'm married.
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THE COURT: And your spouse, what does that person do
for a living?
JUROR: He is head of North American sales at S&P
Global, Dow Jones indices.
THE COURT: Any other adults in the household who
work?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR: I like to read historical fiction.
THE COURT: And any clubs or organizations?
JUROR: I belong to a few environmental organizations,
as well as the Pelham Country Club.
THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR: Playing tennis and golf and gardening.
THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR: No.
THE COURT: Please pass the microphone back to one of
my law clerks.
And counsel, I'll see you at sidebar.
(At the sidebar)
THE COURT: With regard to Juror No. 8, I don't think
he is sufficiently fluent in English to serve as a juror. Is
there any objection to my dismissing him?
MR. FINKEL: Not from the government.
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MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. So I want to go over——well,
first of all, are there any questions that you want me to pose
to any particular jurors who are left?
MR. FINKEL: No, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU: We're going to make a for-cause
challenge to No. 7 at the time your Honor thinks is
appropriate.
THE COURT: On what grounds?
MR. KAMARAJU: Her husband is a retired NYPD
detective. Originally when your Honor asked her whether she
was biased against the defendant, she said yes based on the
conversations that her——I want to make sure I'm not too
close——based on conversations she had overheard with her
husband and a friend, and while your Honor asked a subsequent
question, she seemed very hesitant, to us, to answer in the
affirmative, and her most definitive and clear answer was that
she would be biased against the defendant.
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, you followed up and asked
that potential juror whether she agreed with everything her
husband says and she said no. You said, are you able to put
aside opinions you may have heard from other people and decide
the issues in this case based on what you hear in this
courtroom, are you biased against any of the people in this
courtroom, she said no, and she said she could be a fair and
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impartial juror.
THE COURT: That's right. I'm not going to dismiss
her for cause.
Anybody else?
MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay. So I just want to go over, is there
any individual that I have not gotten to? Oh, that means other
than 14 and 29, who did not come back after lunch.
MR. KAMARAJU: Oh, yeah. Thank you, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: Nothing from the government.
THE COURT: All right, then.
MS. SHROFF: Could we have one——
MR. KAMARAJU: Was 96 addressed?
MR. FINKEL: We have 96 struck, but——
THE COURT: Let me see.
MS. SHROFF: So, your Honor, we would request that the
Court bring No. 7 back and ask her if she can actually be fair
and impartial in this case because I don't think the way she
answered, after a long pause and said yes——essentially, in
light of her previous answer that she said she could not be
fair, I would ask that the Court make a last inquiry of her.
THE COURT: So I think she was rehabilitated
completely and so I am not going to pursue this any further.
Juror 96 was struck.
All righty. So I am going to excuse those people who
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have been dismissed, and those who have not, I'll have them
wait and we'll go through the peremptory challenges.
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, can I make sure we understand
the peremptory system. So is it correct that essentially the
first 12 remaining jurors, whoever is last, that the defense
can strike as many as they want up to 10, and after they choose
those 10, whoever's left, the government can strike whichever
six, up to six, it wants?
THE COURT: Okay. So no.
MS. SHROFF: No.
THE COURT: So we start in round one, and the defense
strikes whomever they decide to. Now they might take all 10,
but I highly doubt it. So let's assume that they take two.
Then you're going to have a stab at the remaining 10.
MR. FINKEL: Okay.
THE COURT: Then there's another round with the
defense, and they get to strike as many as they have left, and
then you get your opportunity to do the same, and we just go
like that until they have eliminated all of their strikes.
MR. FINKEL: I see. In groups of 12 then.
THE COURT: Always in a group of 12.
MR. FINKEL: Okay. And sorry to——so we will know who
they're going to strike.
THE COURT: It's going to be out loud. I'm going to
announce it, and it will be obvious.
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MR. FINKEL: Okay. Thank you.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor——
MR. FERGENSON: Your Honor——oh, go ahead.
MS. SHROFF: Okay. So your Honor, two things. One
is, does the defense go first each time or do we rotate, we go
first and then they go?
THE COURT: The defense goes first every time.
MS. SHROFF: Okay. And two, your Honor, we do need to
talk to the client before we exercise the peremptories. So
you're not going to make me do it tonight?
THE COURT: Oh, no, no, no, we are doing it today. If
you want to talk to your client, then he's sitting right next
to you.
MS. SHROFF: I just didn't know. I thought we ended
at 5.
THE COURT: It's not 5 yet.
MS. SHROFF: It's past 5.
THE COURT: I'm sorry. I read my clock wrong. So
forgive me for that. We're going to have to come back
tomorrow.
MS. SHROFF: Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that.
Thank you, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU: I was just going to ask a numbers
question. Do we have the count of nonstruck jurors? I wasn't
sure if there was enough.
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MS. MURRAY: 21; 23 with the two who didn't come back
from lunch. So if they come back and they do the individual
tomorrow, it would be 23, but right now there are 21.
MR. KAMARAJU: Is that enough? Do we need more?
THE COURT: Well, we can go with the ones that we
have, and then we're going bring up another bunch.
MR. KAMARAJU: Okay. That's what I wasn't sure, your
Honor, if you wanted to do that first, bring up the others
first.
THE COURT: I want to do this group first.
MS. SHROFF: All right. Thank you, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, just a logistical point. So
it appears we're going to be finished with jury selection
tomorrow. We'll go right into witnesses? We flew in witnesses
from out of state. We expect to be going. We're ready. And
we just want to make sure that expectation is correct and not
wrong.
MS. SHROFF: Are we sitting this Friday?
MR. FINKEL: Yes.
THE COURT: Remember I said we're on Fridays.
MS. SHROFF: No, no. I thought there was some
disagreement this morning. That's why I'm asking.
THE COURT: Yeah. We're going to go.
MR. FINKEL: Thank you, your Honor.
MR. FERGENSON: Your Honor, I'm sorry. I just wanted
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to make sure I understood the peremptories. So in your
hypothetical, we had 12, defense struck two, and suppose we
didn't strike any; are those 10 people on the jury?
THE COURT: They're on the jury.
MR. FERGENSON: Got it.
THE COURT: If you don't strike any, then we're just
going to add another couple and you're going to be then dealing
with those two. Exactly.
MR. FINKEL: Oh, okay.
THE COURT: Yes.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, if you could excuse me at
1:00 tomorrow for ten minutes.
THE COURT: Yes. Absolutely.
THE COURT: All right. The jurors are going to be
housed in 26A when they come back tomorrow morning. Okay.
MR. KAMARAJU: Thank you, your Honor.
(In open court)
THE COURT: All right, then. At this time
Mr. Steinberg is going to read a list of those individuals who
are being excused from jury service.
THE LAW CLERK: No. 80, No. 75, No. 89, No. 96,
No. 82, No. 84, No. 85, No. 86, No. 98, No. 99, No. 100,
No. 33, No. 3, No. 52, No. 76, No. 40, No. 42, No. 47, No. 60,
No. 16, No. 46, No. 94, No. 95, No. 22, No. 51, No. 8. Those
are the jurors who are excused. The rest of the jurors, please
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return tomorrow.
Those who I just named or listed, you may leave now.
We thank you for your jury service today. The rest, please
remain here.
THE COURT: Those of you who are remaining in the
courtroom, you must come back to the courthouse tomorrow and be
in the hallway ready to go into courtroom 26A——which is a
different courtroom from this——courtroom 26A at 9 a.m. sharp.
Remember that you're not allowed to discuss the case amongst
yourselves or with anyone else. Don't permit anyone to discuss
the case in your presence. And also remember that the
attorneys are not allowed to have any contact with you, so
don't hold it against them if they don't acknowledge you if you
see them.
So have a good evening, and I will see you tomorrow at
9 a.m.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, I'm sorry. May we just have
a quick sidebar for a moment.
THE COURT: Yes.
(At the sidebar)
MS. SHROFF: Maybe I missed it, but there is a juror
who is sitting there who was——I don't think he was ever
questioned, right? I think he's a late return.
MR. FINKEL: Wait a minute.
THE COURT: Wait one second. Which number is it?
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MS. SHROFF: I don't know his number. He's the young
man who's sitting there. I think your law clerk knows.
THE LAW CLERK: 29. He came back late. He was one of
the ones who we were going to question tomorrow.
THE COURT: He'll have to come in with the remaining
75.
MR. FINKEL: What is the issue? I'm sorry. I missed
it.
MS. SHROFF: He wasn't questioned, Juror No. 29.
That's all.
THE COURT: Okay. I wanted to clarify something also
about the jury selection. It's in groups of 12. I just want
to make sure that everybody understands it. The first round is
a group of 12. The second round is a group of 12. Okay.
MS. MURRAY: Just one logistical question. If we do
impanel a jury tomorrow at some point before the 2:45, which
would be a typical trial day cutoff, do we expect to sit a full
day until 5 and go straight into openings or would you envision
that once the jury is impaneled, we go back to the Court's
typical trial day schedule?
THE COURT: So I just don't think that we're going to
finish in time to get started with openings. So I'll say we'll
finish with jury selection tomorrow and then open on the
following day.
MR. FINKEL: So we won't have any witnesses until
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Friday.
THE COURT: Understood.
MR. FINKEL: Thank you, your Honor.
MS. SHROFF: Thank you, your Honor.
(In open court)
THE COURT: All right, then. So tomorrow morning,
26A, 9 a.m. Have a good evening.
(Jury venire not present)
THE COURT: So in my eagerness to push through, I lost
track of the time. You shouldn't hesitate to ask for a sidebar
to address that.
All right. See you tomorrow.
ALL COUNSEL: Thank you, your Honor.
(Adjourned to May 23, 2024, at 9:00 a.m.)
Translated Text(简体中文翻译)
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纽约，纽约
2024 年 5 月 22 日
上午 10:45
之前：
亲爱的。安娜丽莎·托雷斯，
地区法官
出场
达米安·威廉姆斯
美国检察官
纽约南区
作者：MICAH F. FERGENSON
瑞安·B·芬克尔
贾斯汀霍顿
朱莉安娜·默里
美国助理律师
SABRINA P. SHROFF
被告律师
PRYOR CASHMAN LLP
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作者：SIDHARDHA KAMARAJU
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ALSTON & BIRD LLP
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21 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
22 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
23 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
24 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
25 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
31-40 名陪审员，请到后面整理一下
你们自己井然有序。
26 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
27 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
28 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
29 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
30 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
31 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
32 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
33 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
34 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
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35 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
陪审员 41-50，请在后面整理一下。
35 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
36 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
37 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
38 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
39 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
40 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
41 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
42 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
43 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
44 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
45 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
陪审员 51-60，请在后面整理一下
房间的。
46 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
47 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
48 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
49 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
50 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
51 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
52 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
53 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
54 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
55 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
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56 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
57 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
58 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
61-70 的陪审员会在后面组织起来吗
房间。
陪审员 59，请挺身而出。
60 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
61 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
62 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
63 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
陪审员 64，请挺身而出。
65 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
请陪审员 71-85 或 71-80 自己组织一下吗
在房间后面。
65 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
66 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
67 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
68 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
69 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
70 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
71 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
72 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
73 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
74 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
75 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
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76 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
77 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
78 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
79 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
80 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
81 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
82 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
83 岁的陪审员，请挺身而出。
84 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
85 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
86 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
87 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
88 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
陪审员 89，请挺身而出。
90 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
91 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
92 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
93 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
94 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
95 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
95 号陪审员应该在我右边的那排。
96 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
97 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
98 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
99 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
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陪审员 100，请挺身而出。
法院是否要我仔细检查，确认一下
每个人都坐在合适的座位上？
法院：不是。我想你的同事有
在这方面做得非常出色。
法律书记员：谢谢你，法官大人。
法庭：早上好。
陪审员：早上好。
法庭：我叫安娜丽莎·托雷斯。我是法官
谁来处理这个案子。我们今天早上来是为了
在刑事案件中选择陪审团。这个案子叫做美联航
各州诉郭文豪。通过这个过程，我们将选择
12名陪审员和6名候补成员将审理和裁决此案。
该审判预计将持续约七周，但是
无法预测审判的确切时长
确定性。
今天，你必须在这里待到下午 5 点。我们
会休息一下。如果我们没有完成选择
今天的陪审团，你必须从明天上午9点起到这里
整理到下午 5 点
评审团甄选后，我们的日程安排如下。
请仔细听。陪审团甄选完成后，我们的
日程安排如下：你需要进入
法庭从晚上 9:30 到下午 2:45，从 11:30 休息到 2:45
中午 12 点
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这个陪审团甄选程序旨在确保
我们有一个由公民组成的陪审团来决定问题
本案公平公正，没有任何偏见或
偏见有利于或反对任何一方。为了做
那个，我要问一些关于你个人的问题
背景、你的家庭、你的一些信仰和态度
关于某些问题，你的就业方式等等。你
应该明白我的提问不是为了窥探
融入你的生活，但要确保我们选择公平和
不偏不倚的陪审员——也就是说，陪审员将不受惩罚
可能阻止他们的先入为主的观念或偏见
仅根据证据作出公平和公正的裁决
或者缺乏证据。
如果出于任何原因你无法充当博览会
还有公正的陪审员，你有责任告诉我。
在回答我的问题时，重要的是
你不要在公开法庭上对这件事中的当事方说任何话
案例或任何其他可能损害其利益的事项
其他陪审员的开放思想和公平性。如果
问题要求回答 “是”，只需回答 “是” 或 “否” 即可。如果
你认为还有其他事项需要披露
但你可能会问，这可能会影响其他陪审员
去替补席上讨论这些问题。
如果你被选中发球，你将获得光照
早上有茶点，午餐时有小吃
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每天休息。
正如我所说，这是一起刑事案件。被告，
郭迈尔斯被指控犯下12项联邦罪行，
在一份名为起诉书的文件中。起诉书本身是
不是证据。它仅包含以下费用
政府必须证明令陪审团满意
不容置疑。我会告诉陪审团什么
这种举证责任是指在出示证据之后。
被告否认了指控并已辩护
无罪。我对事实一无所知，对此一无所知
我说的是证据。但是，我将简要讨论一下
收费这样你就能明白其中的原因
将向您提出的问题，以便我们确定
这些指控中是否有任何能起作用的信息
你不可能担任公平和公正的陪审员。的
当然，你们当中被选为这个陪审团成员的人将获得
结束时对指控的详细解释
案例。
在我开始提问之前，我会解释原因
你们每个人都被分配了一个号码，将由以下人员打电话
只有你的号码。此案将在部分审理之前审理
匿名陪审团。这意味着既不是你的名字，也不是你的名字
将列出最终入选的陪审员的名字
公众。我、法庭管理人员、被告、辩方
律师、检方和我的律师会认识你的
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姓名，但这些信息不会与公众共享。
最终入选的陪审员可以与他人分享他们的名字
互相，但在公开法庭上绝不会提及陪审员
按他们的名字。此案引起了媒体的关注，而且
这种情况可能会持续下去。部分使用的目的
匿名陪审团将保护你们所有人免受任何不必要的侵害
注意和侵犯您的隐私，并确保
没有发生任何可能干扰你的公正性的事情
客观研究证据和法律的适用。
我现在要向你简要介绍一下里面的指控
这个案例。起诉书包括12项指控或罪名。
政府指控被告经营了四辆车
欺诈性投资计划是犯罪集团的一部分。
“犯罪集团” 一词也被称为
敲诈勒索或 RICO 企业。
第一项罪状指控被告串谋
经营犯罪集团。
第二、三和四项罪状指控被告犯有
串谋实施电汇欺诈、银行欺诈、证券欺诈，
以及洗钱罪。
第五和第六项罪状指控被告犯有
证券欺诈和电汇欺诈，与私人有关
为一家名为GTV的媒体公司进行股票发行。
第七和第八项罪状指控被告使用电汇
与向某人提供的贷款有关的欺诈和证券欺诈
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名为喜马拉雅农场联盟的组织。
第九和十项罪状指控被告使用电汇
与生活方式有关的欺诈和证券欺诈
名为 G Clubs 的会员公司。
第十一号罪状指控被告犯有电汇欺诈罪
与喜马拉雅交易所有联系，有些人有
被描述为加密货币生态系统。
最后，第十二号罪状指控被告犯有
使用来自以下来源的资金进行1亿美元的电汇
犯罪。
被告不认罪，据推测
除非他被证明有罪，否则这些指控是无罪的
毫无疑问，我将把这些规则描述为
我们继续。我已经简短地讨论了这些指控，而不是针对这些指控
目的是给你任何指示，但仅限于你
在我们进行陪审团甄选时会考虑到他们。
我现在要向全体成员问一些问题
组。如果你不想在公开场合给出答案，那就是
请告诉我，律师和我将在替补席上听取你的意见。
如果你对任何一个问题的答案是肯定的，
请举起你的手让我和我的律师能看见
您。然后我要么和你讨论你的是答案
开庭或者请你到侧边栏说话
私下里和我和律师在一起。重要的是
你们每个人都不要互相讨论我的任何问题
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问。
在我们审查了一些一般性问题之后
作为一个小组，然后我会问你们每个人的事
个人背景。
在讯问过程中，你可能会被原谅
在本案中担任陪审员。如果你碰巧是其中之一
那些原谅的人，不要认为这是对你的任何反思
就个人而言。这都是我们司法系统的一部分，
旨在为两者提供公平和公正的陪审团
双方。你的存在和你的存在将是你的职责
如果被选中，随时准备服役。
你们当中有人有听力问题吗？
会阻止你担任陪审员的愿景？
你们当中有人服用任何药物吗？或者你有药物吗
任何可能妨碍你服役的健康相关问题
作为陪审员？
那好吧。如果你愿意加紧努力，拜托。
（在侧边栏上；陪审员在场）
法庭：嗨，先生。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：25。
法庭：如果你能告诉我你的名字，请告诉我。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我很紧张，我没办法
这个。
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法庭：你觉得自己无法担任
因为这个健康问题？
陪审员：没有。我这里有医生的笔记。
法庭：好吧。让我来看看这个。
这封信来自联合医疗保健医生 PLLC
由 Effie Shilhan 签名，下面写着 DNP-FNP，然后在
括号，公元前。我不知道那些信代表什么。
你呢？
陪审员：我不知道，不是。
法庭：好吧。这封信的日期是5月21日。它
说：
“致谁的担忧：XXXXXXXXXX 一直处于
照顾好我们的办公室。他有记录在案的焦虑史。
此外，他有惊恐发作史
需要接受治疗。被选为陪审员可能
加剧他潜在的焦虑并造成严重的后果
痛苦。如果您有任何其他问题或疑虑，
请联系我们的办公室。”
好吧，先生。你可以回到你的座位上。我是
会给你这封信的
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：有人反对我的借口吗
第 25 号？
芬克尔先生：不是来自政府。
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自我们。
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法庭：好吧。然后他就被原谅了。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法庭：你好，女士。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：37。
法庭：你能告诉我你的名字吗。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我觉得自己是 —— 我有焦虑感，开始了
我上高中的时候有社交焦虑。而且我不是
现在去看医生因为我没有健康保险
恐怕在媒体的关注下，我觉得
真的很偏执而且真的——对不起。
法庭：好吧。所以你觉得这不是
这是你担任陪审员的合适时机
健康问题；对吗？
陪审员：是的。对不起。
法庭：好吧。谢谢。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：好吧。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：有人反对我的借口吗
37 号？
芬克尔先生：不是来自政府。
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自辩方，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。
（下一位陪审员在场）
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法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：36。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我是扬克斯的代课老师。所以
两周前学生们打了我的背部。所以我正在接受治疗
现在，有药有时候我没法开车，所以
我不知道我能不能——如果我有半小时或一个小时的时间——
法庭：所以你是在告诉我药物
太镇静了，你不能当陪审员；是吗
正确？
陪审员：没错。
法庭：那好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：有人反对我的借口吗
36号陪审员？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自辩方。
芬克尔先生：也不是政府。
法院：好吧。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：50。
法庭：请问你叫什么名字？
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陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法庭：对不起。我没听见你的话。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以我右边有椎间盘突出，
坐骨神经痛，所以我经常感到非常痛苦，所以这是一种
挑战我坐下甚至站立任何时间。
所以坐下来对我来说会很困难——
法庭：所以你觉得痛苦会分散注意力
你是试用版的？
陪审员：所以每当我感到痛苦时，我都很难做到
集中精力，因为我不仅会感到疼痛而且有刺痛感，
麻木，右侧无力。现在我处于体能状态
治疗，我正在服用止痛药，但即使有疼痛
药物治疗，对我来说很有挑战性。所以这就是为什么我说——
法庭：谢谢你告诉我。你可以
退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对我的第 50 号借口吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自辩方。
芬克尔先生：也不是政府。
法庭：好吧。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：91。
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法庭：好吧。如果你能退后一步
稍微这样每个人都能听见你的声音。
那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：是的，我有风湿病、关节炎，所以有
是我根本无法起床或动弹的日子。另外，
我有血压，每次都要吃药
一天，而且我经常大约每五天去洗手间
或者十分钟左右。所以我今天什么也没吃因为我
我知道我要来这里，所以有时候我会头晕目眩而且
诸如此类的东西，所以——
法庭：所以你觉得条件会的
分散你作为陪审员的注意力；对吗？
陪审员：是的。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：好吧。谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：那是 90 吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：91。
SHROFF 女士：91。
法院：有人反对我开脱 91 吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自辩方，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：也不是政府。
（下一位陪审员在场）
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陪审员：你好。对不起。我在母乳喂养而且——
法庭：请稍等片刻。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：92。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。我失去了声音。
法庭：你是说你现在是
母乳喂养，现在不是你坐下的时候
陪审团；对吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你需要休息才能——
陪审员：是的。
法庭：——泵。
陪审员：正确。
法庭：好吧。好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：好吧。谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：有人反对我为她辩解吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自辩方，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：也不是政府。
法庭：好吧。对不起 92 号。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。如果你能告诉我你的
数字。
陪审员：97。
法庭：还有你的名字。
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陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以我女儿明天要做手术，而且
所以我不知道什么时候我——我本该为自己辩解陪审团的责任
职责，但我——我还以为就像州法院一样，你要去的地方
三天然后你就完成了，所以我 —— 但我不能在这里
明天或下周。
法庭：或者下周。
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你想照顾好你的女儿；是
那个？
陪审员：是的。
法院：那就好了。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：好吧。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对我的第 97 号借口吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自辩方，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：你好。请问你的号码是多少？
陪审员：34。
法庭：请问你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我有四根椎间盘突出，我有一个
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阿喀琉斯手术，我的膝盖手术，我不能 —— 我的身体
就是不能坐在这里，只是，你知道，我不能——
法庭：所以你觉得这些健康问题
会——
陪审员：是的。
法院：——阻止你担任陪审员；是
那个？
陪审员：是的，嗯嗯。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：有人反对我的借口吗
第 44 号？
KAMARAJU 先生：法官大人，我们不反对。
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：93。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法庭：那你的全名是什么？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我患有糖尿病，所以我 —— 我正在服药，但是
有时会让我感到紧张，而且我不能长时间坐着
是时候空腹了。
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法庭：那你是说紧张情绪吗
担任陪审员会让你感到非常不舒服吗？
陪审员：并非一直如此，但有时候，是的，确实如此
我不喜欢——我得休息一下。
法庭：是的。而且你是说你需要
休息一下吃饭；是这样吗？
陪审员：是的，有时候，是的。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：有人反对我的借口吗
第 93 号？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自辩方，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
（下一页继续）
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（在侧边栏上）
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：52。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我想透露的唯一场景是
目前佩戴心脏监护仪以防心悸，不规律
心跳。接下来的两天我应该穿这个
几周，之后再咨询我的医生。我
只提一下，因为可能已经七周了，我不知道是否
我会被人看见的。
法庭：所以你戴的是某种设备
现在？
陪审员：正确。心脏监视器。
法庭：那你得回去吗
为了得到结果，医生从——
陪审员：正确。
然后从那里决定行动方针，
不管那是什么。
法庭：嗯，他们有没有和你讨论过那是什么
可能是？
陪审员：还没有。直到我们知道结果如何
是。
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法庭：换句话说，他们有没有提过
可能你需要服药或者你必须服药
手术？
陪审员：可能是药物治疗。他们提到
可能是药物治疗。
法庭：但是他们没有谈论手术。
陪审员：不是手术，据我所知
时间点，不是。
法庭：那么你觉得佩戴显示器是真的吗
会阻止你担任陪审员吗？
陪审员：没有。只要七周，以备不时之需
在此之前采取任何行动。
法庭：嗯，你刚才说他们只有
讨论了药物。
陪审员：正确。
法庭：而且我们中的许多人每天都在服药
基础。
陪审员：对。
法庭：他们有没有告诉你药物是
会以某种方式损害你的——
陪审员：没有。
法庭：— 认知？
陪审员：没有。现在不是，不，据我所知
其中的任何一个。我只是想把它透露出来所以你
意识到了。
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法庭：那好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：我认为他不应该被解雇
是有原因的。
芬克尔先生：政府同意。
KAMARAJU 先生：法官大人，我们同意。
法庭：好吧。
（陪审员在场）
法庭：先生，你的号码是多少？
陪审员：87。
法院：87。那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：。
法庭：那问题出在哪里，特哈达先生？
陪审员：我有前列腺问题。我要成为
可能每隔几分钟就会打断你一次。所以我有一个
今天 3:30 的预约我输了，因为我必须这样做
来这里。但我只想告诉你。它在你身上
考虑一下，如果你想让我留下来，我不知道。
法庭：你是说你必须使用
经常洗澡？
陪审员：经常。
法庭：比如多久一次？
陪审员：比如，我不知道，可能每 10 到 15 点一次
几分钟，诸如此类，你知道的。
法庭：好吧。
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陪审员：所以我的前列腺已经做了手术，所以
我无法遏制。你知道，就像有时候我必须做的那样 —— 你
知道，但我只想告诉你。由你决定。
法庭：那好吧，先生。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：对我的借口有什么异议吗
他下岗了？
KAMARAJU 先生：不。
默里女士：87。不是来自政府，法官大人。
法院：好吧。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：30。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我的医生每次让我接受两次物理治疗
多次整形外科手术后的并发症一周。所以
七个星期没有用它来管理疼痛就意味着
药物，我宁愿不服药。
法庭：你这么说是为了充当法官
陪审员你得放弃药物？
陪审员：不，我没有服药。物理疗法。
法庭：你只有物理疗法
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正在接收，但你需要每周收到几次，是
那个？
陪审员：每周两次。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：所以错过一两个星期是一回事，
但是七个星期只是 —— 对于疼痛管理我本来可以做的
去服用一些药物。
法庭：你是说那样吗
替代方案，药物是替代方案？
陪审员：我得服用多种药物才能
控制症状。
法庭：那会干扰你的能力吗
担任陪审员？
陪审员：我可能会因为痛苦而无法摆脱困境
管理层因为我上次使用它们的时候，我不是
完全在那里。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对我的第30号免责吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自辩方，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：法官大人，听从法庭的意见。
法庭：好吧。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。
陪审员：你怎么样？
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法院：很好。而你呢？
陪审员：很好。
法院：你的号码是多少？
陪审员：35。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：。
法庭：那好吧。那问题是什么？
陪审员：双管齐下。我应该开始对我进行治疗
阵亡将士纪念日过后右膝。然后我得了白内障
手术计划在6月中旬进行。
法庭：好吧。好吧，祝你好运。
你能再告诉我你的头号吗。
陪审员：当然。35.
法庭：好吧。好吧。所以你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢你，法官。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：有人反对我的借口吗
数字 35？
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自我们，法官大人。
（陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你的电话号码？
陪审员：83。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员:; F，就像弗兰克一样。
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法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我得了帕金森氏病。而且我没找到
这是个借口，因为我想我能服务；看来只是这样
我需要每三四个小时服药一次，而且我
我以为你应该知道。
法庭：那药物会干扰吗
你有能力集中注意力和保持警觉吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：所以这只是你有个问题
休息吃药？
陪审员：是的，可能还有一些异常移动
倍。我用药很好。我不是个严重的病例。我想
我差不多会困吗，我不这么认为。所以我不是在诱饵
可以原谅的。这将是你的决定。
法庭：好吧。谢谢。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：所以我认为没有理由为83号号码辩解。
芬克尔先生：我们同意。
KAMARAJU 先生：法官大人，我们同意。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好，你的号码是多少？
陪审员：59。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
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陪审员：我只是焦虑不安。去一个
治疗师每月一次，我每天服药两次。所以
只是想一想 —— 我不知道。我只是很着急，所以——
法庭：那么作为陪审员你是这么说的吗
会让你的病情恶化吗？
陪审员：正确。正确。
我还经常出差工作；所以两个月
就像 —— 我甚至无法想象。它只会影响我
财务上。
法院：那么这将是一个经济困难吗？
陪审员：绝对可以。
法庭：好吧，先生。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对我的免责号码 59 吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：法官大人，我们推迟了。
KAMARAJU 先生：不，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。来吧。
是这样吗？好吧。我们会回去的。
（在公开法庭上）
法庭：你们当中有人遇到麻烦吗
理解或阅读英语？
好吧。如果你能来，拜托。
律师。
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（在侧边栏上）
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：20。
法院：20。那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我能说话，但我什么都不懂
和写作。所以我不想对某件事做出判断
我什么都不明白。
法庭：我所知道的一切你都明白了吗
一直在说吗？
陪审员：是的。不是全部，但我明白了。
法庭：你是说你已经理解了大部分内容
我说的。
陪审员：是的。说话我能为自己辩护，不是
写作或理解。我想说实话。
法院：谢谢。
陪审员：你知道吗？
法庭：你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对我的第 20 号借口吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
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法庭：好吧。
（在公开法庭上）
法庭：如果证人用另一种语言作证
你知道的，然后由口译员翻译证词，
你们当中有人不能完全依赖
口译员对证词的翻译？
请加紧努力。
（在侧边栏上）
（陪审员在场）
法庭：你能靠近点吗。
陪审员：是的，法官大人。
法庭：那你的电话号码是多少？
陪审员：19。
法庭：那你会说另一种语言吗？
陪审员：我说几句话，是的。
法院：那是什么语言？
陪审员：俄语、荷兰语、德语、南非荷兰语和希伯来语。
法院：好吧。所以我的问题是是否
有人是证人，说的是其中一种语言
你知道，除了英语，口译员是
口译，你能不能完全依赖口译
口译员给的？
陪审员：我可能可以，但我不太可能
那个。因为尤其是在技术术语方面
我明白，也许这个解释不正确，
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我想我会对自己的理解给予一定的重视
我听到的直接证词。
法庭：所以你是说你会赞成自己的选择
理解。
陪审员：绝对可以。我不会无视的。
但是，在某种程度上，它的解释方式不是
根据我的理解，我只想归因 —— 我只会
无论技术如何，都要根据上下文进行解释
解释，尤其是在证券欺诈方面。
法庭：所以假设我告诉过你你必须接受
口译员提供的口译。你会吗
能听从那个指令吗？
陪审员：百分之百。
法庭：这样你就可以把你的问题搁置一边
对语言的理解？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你会说普通话吗？
陪审员：我不知道。
法庭：好吧。如果你想退一步，请退一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：所以我认为他已经平反了。
还有反对意见吗？
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
SHROFF 女士：不是来自我们。
法庭：那好吧。
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（陪审员在场）
法院：你好，先生。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：80。
法院：第 80 号？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。请稍等片刻。
如果你能告诉我你的名字。
陪审员：。
法庭：你会说另一种语言吗？
陪审员：我是意大利人。
法庭：另外你还会说什么语言吗
去意大利语？
陪审员：意大利语、英语和一点西班牙语。
法庭：因此，如果有人在审判中作证
通过口译员，你能听懂吗
只有口译员的翻译？
陪审员：意大利语中有很多委婉说法
真的无法翻译；所以我很难翻译
无视我对语言和文化的了解
某人 —— 诸如此类的东西。
法庭：所以如果我告诉你我没想到会有什么
讲意大利语的证人——
陪审员：那应该没问题。
法庭：如果没有 —— 让我们来谈谈
西班牙语。你对西班牙语的感觉和你一样吗
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关于意大利语？
陪审员：我的知识肯定不那么了解，但我确实如此
知道某些无法真正翻译的短语，而且
更多关于文化对他们的意义。
法庭：因此，如果有人用西班牙语作证——
假设你不同意这个翻译
由口译员提供——你能听懂吗——
陪审员：这会很困难，但我可以试试。
法庭：好吧。
你还知道其他语言吗？
陪审员：仅此而已。
法院：你懂普通话吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对他的死刑吗？
芬克尔先生：法官大人，只要他能关注
法院指示听口译员的话而不是听口译员的话
目击者，政府没有异议。
法庭：我们预计不会有意大利人或
说西班牙语的人？
MURRAY 女士：我们确实有讲意大利语和西班牙语的人
证人，但他们应该用英语作证。
只有一个待命口译员，特别是对于
讲西班牙语的证人，以防他们需要帮助
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技术条款。
法院：那么有人反对他吗
剩下的？
芬克尔先生：不。
SHROFF 女士：法官大人，我们能不能只买一个
第二？
法院：是的。
（已聘请律师）
SHROFF 女士：谢谢你，法官大人。
我们没有异议。
法庭：你期望还有其他语言吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自我们，法官大人。
法庭：他的电话号码是？
SHROFF 女士：80。
法庭：好吧。所以他会留下来。非常好。
哦，我们还有另一个？
法律书记员：再来两个。
法庭：另外两个？
（陪审员在场）
法庭：先生，你的号码是多少？
陪审员：95。
法庭：然后我问过 —— 还有你的名字，顺便问过
方式。
陪审员：。
法庭：我问过有没有人知道
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另一种语言；如果有，则有证人作证
通过口译员，如果他们能听从口译员的话
仅限翻译。
陪审员：如果被告或任何人在说话
不同的语言，在我的具体情况下是韩语，然后我
不管是什么，也会理解那种语言
说话。那我自然会像我一样考虑这个问题
理解语言。
法院：除了韩国人之外，还有其他吗
你知道的语言？
陪审员：不，我不知道。
法院：显然是英语。
陪审员：是的，当然是英语。
法庭：假设不是韩国人，你会的
能够听从我的指示，你必须依靠
口译员的翻译；对吗？
陪审员：是的，没错。
法院：好吧。谢谢。
你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：没有讲韩语的人，对吧？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是我们所知道的。
法庭：没有理由为他辩解。
法律书记员：之后我们还有一个。
法庭：在这之后。两个？
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（陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：56。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：。
法庭：我问过是否有人
用英语以外的其他语言作证，如果你
碰巧知道那种语言，你能信吗
仅限于提供的翻译
口译员？
陪审员：我想理解这个问题，那是
我为什么要排队。
所以有人用我能理解的语言说话，但是
有翻译员，我能信赖翻译器吗
还是针对用我所熟悉的语言作证的人？
法庭：所以如果我指示你必须依靠
口译员，尽管你懂语言——
陪审员：我明白了。
法庭：— 你能做到吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。
除了英语你还知道什么语言？
陪审员：俄语。
法庭：好吧。所以你不懂西班牙语？
陪审员：没有。
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法院：不是意大利人？
陪审员：没有。
法院：不是普通话？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：我认为没有理由为她辩解。
芬克尔先生：政府同意。
法庭：好吧。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你是什么号码？
好吧。53。那你叫什么名字。
陪审员：。
法庭：还有你的姓氏？
陪审员：。
法庭：除了，你还会其他语言吗
英语？
陪审员：是的。捷克语、斯洛伐克语、波兰语、俄语、德语
一点点，一点西班牙语。
法庭：因此，如果有人通过西班牙语作证
口译员，你能信赖翻译吗
由口译员提供，而不是你自己知道的
西班牙语？
陪审员：我最关心的是与口译员合作
我知道我真的很担心使用口译员
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细微差别往往会消失。而当我使用口译员时
还有人使用 —— 问类似的问题，细微差别
有时会有所不同。还有那个人的答案
与你交谈可能会有所不同。而且我用
每天都有口译员；所以我有经验
向口译员提问，别人问
相似的问题，得到不同的答案。因为有时候
细微差别消失了。
法庭：那你是说你没有
信仰？
陪审员：嗯，就基础而言，是的；但就细节而言，不是。
法庭：所以如果你是一名陪审员而且
口译员正在用一种你不懂的语言进行口译
知道，那你会不会——
陪审员：嗯，那是 —— 我不知道，因为我会的
无法完全依靠它。因为我知道
有时候这个可能会错过一些东西。
法庭：好吧。
而且你是第 53 号；对吗？
陪审员：53。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：有人反对我为她辩解吗？
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
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SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。谢谢。
书记员：就是这样，法官。
法院：仅此而已？
好吧。我们回去吧。
（在公开法庭上）
法院：据估计，本案的审判将是
持续大约七周；也就是说，大约持续到 7 月 12 日
今年的。我们不会在联邦假日开会，
法庭也不会在以下几天开庭:
5月27日星期一；6月19日星期三；6月星期五
28日；7月1日星期一；7月4日星期四；7月5日星期五
第 5 个。我只想重复这些日期。我们不会进去的
会议时间为5月27日星期一；6月19日星期三；6月星期五
28日；7月1日星期一；7月4日星期四；7月5日星期五
第 5 个。
请记住担任陪审员的公民责任，
关于审判的时间长短有什么好处吗
担任陪审员对你来说是极其困难的吗？
（在侧边栏上）
（陪审员在场）
法庭：先生，你的号码是多少？
陪审员：第一。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：。
法院：问题出在哪里？
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陪审员：我有一家小企业，这会导致
我受了很大的伤害。我在向上面的人解释
我进来的时候在前面 —— 你知道，即使是短暂的
审判，这对我有害。
法庭：你说这将是财务问题
困难？
陪审员：我的意思是，无论如何：为了我的生意，
金融。是的，我几乎是一支单人乐队。我只有一个
其他人和我一起工作的人我简直不知所措。
法庭：那好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：有人反对我为他辩解吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：七个。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我是该部的人力资源总监
教育。所以现在 —— 我们刚刚有了预算。对吧
现在我们正在配备人员。而且我必须确保有
9月的暑期学校和人员配备。
所以我的很多导演都在给我打电话。我应该
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今天已经开会了。我没意识到自己做不到
带上我的电脑，因为我不知道。所以我以为我是
将能够在这里做点工作。显然，我不能
使用我的电脑。
法庭：上帝保佑，如果你是，会发生什么
今天被卡车撞了？
陪审员：对。他们会有人来的
为我掩护，你说得对。
法庭：所以还有其他人可以表演
你的作品？
陪审员：是的。但是，比如说，七周是很长的时间。
而且我们只是 —— 我只是 —— 我们刚刚雇了一个新的人力资源开发人员
训练；而她是我为这个角色训练的人。
她是新来的。我在第一和第二区，她在第二区。
她刚到那里。而且我一直在支持她。现在我不是
那里。所以我叫她，比如，你知道，确保她能
接我的一些电话当我回到办公室时，我是
你知道，要解决一些问题。
法庭：如果是你，她会填吗
完全不可用？
陪审员：是的。她才刚开始。是的，她是我的封面
现在。她现在正在为我掩护我在这里。
法庭：你雇了她吗？
陪审员：我们雇用了她，是的，是委员会。
法庭：所以所有人都认为她非常
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有能力；对吗？
陪审员：是的，没错。
法庭：好吧。所以她可能可以
可能很难完成这项工作？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：我认为没有任何理由为七号人辩解。
芬克尔先生：政府同意。
SHROFF 女士：法官大人，我这么认为 —— 说实话 —
她不会 —— 会回来的，是她
明确表示这是上课时段所在的时段
这是她存在的最必要条件。而且我就是这么觉得
鉴于她 —— 考虑到她所说的话，我们最终会去
她也有同样的问题。因为不幸的是，是
休息时间，是这几个月、这几周的放学时间。所以
我们的立场是我们应该原谅她，但是
这就是我们的立场。
法庭：好吧。所以我不同意。她说她
有人是新来的，但如果她是，谁会接任
完全不可用。所以我不会为7号人辩解。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好，先生。你能告诉我你的
数字。
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陪审员：第 6 号。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：七周是很长的时间。我有一个
为了跟上步伐，我和单一收入家庭经常加班
和账单一样。我还有我儿子的毕业典礼、假期
计划。而且男孩们也打棒球，所以很多
锦标赛。
法院：那么，如果你担任法官，你会得到报酬吗
陪审员？你的薪水会持续下去吗？
陪审员：哦，是的，我会得到报酬的。但我也不是
加班工作。这随时可供我使用。
法院：那么你会占收入的哪一部分
要输了？
陪审员：至少 30%。
法院：那会不会是经济困难
你和你的家人？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对我的借口 No.
6？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自辩方。
芬克尔先生：我们听从法官大人的判断。
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法院：好吧。对不起 6 号。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：九岁。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：嗯，我有一个八岁的孩子，还有我的丈夫
然后我看着他。我们采用混合日程安排，而且我们要
在日托方面遇到了问题他需要离开。
而且他可能会因为我们没有人而失业
看着我们的儿子。
法庭：所以你知道我们只是在开会
在 9:30 到 2:45 之间？
陪审员：我明白了。
法庭：通常那不是你的时候吗
儿子会在学校还是在夏令营？
陪审员：所以我住在威彻斯特北部。它会
我花一个半小时才能到那里。有时候会这样
他休假那不是假期。学校刚刚关闭。
而且他要去营地了。而且夏令营时间也不同。
他们在 4 点结束。而且我不知道我们能不能去接他
向上或者是否会有挑战性。
法庭：所以你觉得日程安排 —— 你的
儿子的日程安排不允许你在 9:30 到
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2:45，是这样吗？
陪审员：没错。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：有人反对我为她辩解吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：法官大人，不是。
我只注意到显然每个人都会有一个
陪审团坐这么长时间审判有问题。而且我推迟
由法官大人来判断这件事的困难程度
特定的陪审员。更笼统地说，这是政府的
关注。
法院：嗯，我在问你是否反对。
芬克尔先生：不反对。
法院：你不是在反对。
那又是什么数字？
SHROFF 女士：九岁。
法庭：好吧。对不起 9 号。我们走吧。
（陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：13。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
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陪审员：我有 —— 我是婚礼上的伴娘
6月27日出城。因此，如果能持续到6月27日，那就是
太棒了，就在七月之后——
法庭：那你什么时候必须离开？
陪审员：第 27 名。
法庭：你必须在 27 日离开。以及什么时候
你会回来吗？
陪审员：7月9日。
法院：所以从 27 日到那段时间
第 9 个——
陪审员：它在西海岸。
法庭：— 你必须离开。
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
SHROFF 女士：我想我们应该留住她；我需要
打破。
法庭：我认为那行不通，所以我要去
对不起 13 号。没有异议；对吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自我们。
芬克尔先生：没错。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的电话号码？
陪审员：12。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
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陪审员：所以我是投资者关系主管。我不知道
如果可以的话，认识这家公司——投资者关系主管
米德尔比公司。而且我有四次投资者活动
即将到来需要我去的，因为我们已经有了
这些会议是为与投资者会面而安排的，酒店有
已经预订了，所以在下个月之内。
法庭：那么这些会议是什么时候举行的？
陪审员：下周四我有一个，6 月 6 日我有一个，
另一个是 —— 我认为是对的 —— 不，6 月 10 日，而且
在那之前一周有一个，所以我想就像 6 月 3 日一样
左右。
法庭：那如果你被人击中会发生什么
卡车？
陪审员：嗯，我的意思是，会议将被取消。
但我担心的是，如果这不发生，我的意思是，我可以
老实说，我失业了
法庭：那你是说没人在吗
你的投资公司可以——
陪审员：它不是投资公司，而是一家公司。
所以我是投资者关系主管；所以我要和
投资者参加这些会议。
法庭：所以你在找他们来赚点钱
有点像股权出资，是吗？
陪审员：不一定，但可以买入股票。
法庭：买股票，好吧。
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陪审员：对。
法庭：所以如果你不能到场
培养那些关系，谁会代替你？
陪审员：可能是首席财务官。
法院：首席财务官可能会离职。
陪审员：也许吧。
法庭：好吧。好吧。
好吧。你可以退后一步，先生。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：所以我认为没有任何理由为他辩解。
芬克尔先生：政府同意。
SHROFF 女士：法官大人，他给出的第一个答案是
如果你不能去，会发生什么，他说，我得去
取消会议。
法院：对。但是后来他刚才说首席财务官可以
介入。
SHROFF 女士：我知道他说可能是首席财务官
可以介入。然后他说这将是巨大的
财务困难。
法庭：我没听到经济困难
件。
SCHIRICK 先生：我以为他说，法官大人，他会的
丢了工作。
SHROFF 女士：他说他会失业。我是
抱歉。
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法庭：让我们把他带回来。
顺便问一下，他是什么号码？
芬克尔先生：12。
法律书记员：12。
（陪审员在场）
法庭：先生，你说过你可能会输掉你的
工作。这是为什么？
陪审员：我有这样的感觉，因为那个 —— 如果不这样做我就有感觉
去参加这些活动是因为我是安排它们的人，我
会议已经安排好了也许有人可以介入
对我来说，但我能感觉到 —— 他们会感受到的 —
从某种意义上说，这几乎是一种失望。
法庭：那么你的意思是 —— 这些是吗
高层人士，资深人士？
陪审员：是的。首席执行官，首席财务官，是的。会是
因为这也会使他们陷入困境。
法庭：而且这些会议不能改期吗？
陪审员：不，不是。因为事件已经设置了而且
会议已经安排好了。所以他们不是 —— 这是我们的活动
不要安排，那是由一个或多个银行安排的。还有这些
会议已经设置好了，因此无法移动。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：嗯，听起来他的控制力减弱了
整个过程比我最初想象的要多。
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芬克尔先生：法官大人，似乎在一家公司工作
规模足够大，足以容纳包括首席财务官在内的一名高管
首席执行官兼首席执行官。本次审判，如法院
注意，将在每天 2:45 结束。
每个人都会把工作放在一边
并履行公民义务并在这方面担任陪审团成员
案例。他们将能够提供帮助和沟通
审判后与他在投资公司合作的人
天。我认为他所说的话不是借口的理由
他现在是有原因的。
SHROFF 女士：法官大人，他特别说了
会议不在城里。他说他的航班已经预订了而且他的
酒店已预订。这不是一次会议，而是几次会议
会议。会议不会在工作日的 3:45 之后举行；
会议在白天举行。
他特别说他没有安排这些会议。
这些会议是由银行和其他机构举办的
人们。而且他是与人民联络的人
他们正计划在那里等他。
所以我认为这不是公民义务的问题
把事情放在一边；这个人已经详细说明了原因
他在要求原谅。我认为有一种真正的
他担心自己会让那些人失望
雇了他。出于这些原因，我们不应该对他进行任何治疗
和任何其他要求的人都不一样 —— 我没有
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已完成。
法庭：对不起。来吧。
SHROFF 女士：不，不，我是 —— 我的意思是，他说他是 —
他详细介绍了 —— 我们甚至没有问他应该去哪里
前往。因此，他为自己预订了旅行和酒店。
而他才是与客户联络的人。
法院：所以他确实说过首席财务官会介入。
我不会原谅他的。
还有人吗？
（陪审员在场）
法庭：请问陪审员号码？
陪审员：18。
法院：问题出在哪里？
对不起，又是你的名字。
陪审员：。
芬克尔先生：对不起，18？谢谢。
陪审员：所以我有旅行计划。我要拿走我的
祖母于6月28日回到丹麦。
法院：太棒了。
好吧。好吧。尽情享受你的祖母吧
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：好吧。我们会原谅18号的。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好，请问你的电话号码？
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陪审员：17。
法庭：请问你的名字？
陪审员：。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：明天我将进行一次重要的求职面试
我已经为我的公司工作了一年多
我为... 工作六月份我还要为我爷爷举行葬礼，而且
我将旅行大约两个星期。
法庭：那么这是追悼会吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那是什么时候？那是什么日子？
陪审员：从6月15日左右到6月底。
法庭：好吧。但是有一项服务，不是吗
那里？
陪审员：是的，但是在瑞典，所以我得去旅行
去瑞典。
法庭：我明白了。好吧。
如果你要退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
KAMARAJU 先生：连续前往
瑞典？
法院：丹麦。我猜今天是挪威的日子。
KAMARAJU 先生：我们会有讲挪威语的人吗
在审判中？
芬克尔先生：我不这么认为。
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法庭：他又是多少号码？
SHROFF 女士：17。
法庭：他被原谅了。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：25。
法庭：好吧。来吧。
陪审员：我和另一位员工一起拥有自己的企业。
所以离开七个星期对我来说实在是太过分了
远离因为只有我和她。我也有预付费
旅行计划已于6月14日开始。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：而且我爸也已经 82 岁了，我得小心点
他也是如此。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：他已经被原谅了。
（陪审员在场）
法庭：如果你能告诉我你的电话号码，
拜托。
陪审员：对不起。第 26 号。
法院：请问你的名字。
陪审员：我的名字是。
所以我最近才被诊断出患有皮肤癌。所以
大约九天前我做了手术。我没想到会这样
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会是一件大事，但我没办法坐视不管
七个星期。我必须来回走动。所以是 —— 坐着
在七周内，我有后续预约。我的意思是，
这是皮肤癌。他们认为自己得到了大部分，但有
就是不可能我得了皮肤癌等七个星期
诊断。
法庭：那你需要去法庭吗
预约医生？
陪审员：是的，我预约了医生，
后续行动。
法庭：好吧。所以，如果你有这些预约
下午，在我们完成之后——
陪审员：从心理上讲，我的意思是，我只是
最近 —— 这是突然出现的事情。所以
一周前星期一我去了，得了皮肤癌，癌。他们
切除了我腿上的一个大伤口。所以我还在处理
那个。除此之外还要来这里待七个星期
其他一切，我只是觉得我无法应付。
法庭：你是说你会这样吗
被你的病情分散了注意力？
陪审员：我的病情会分散我的注意力，
是的。我还在努力克服这个问题，但是 —
法庭：好吧，先生。我希望你感觉好些。
你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
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（陪审员不在场）
法院：好吧。数字？
SHROFF 女士：26。
法庭：好吧。我想他是可以原谅的
无异议。
KAMARAJU 先生：法官大人，我们没有收到任何消息。
芬克尔先生：是的。
法庭：好吧。很抱歉。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：24。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我目前正在做一个我正在监督的项目
我需要在这段时间完成我的工作。
我无法控制这个项目的进度。
此外，我已经为这个项目工作了很长时间
一年。如果我没看到项目要完成，我就不明白
之所以付钱，是因为我有延期工资。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：。
法院：这个项目的性质是什么？
陪审员：这是一部电影制作。
法庭：还有最后期限吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那最后期限是什么时候？
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陪审员：嗯，我需要 —— 我们必须画面锁定
7 月 4 日之前拍电影；很快我就进入混音了
接下来的两周。所以从现在起到 7 月 4 日之间，我需要
每天参与这个项目。我必须成为
出现在放映中；我需要全程在场
混音。我不可能改变这种状况。
法庭：你的头衔是什么？
陪审员：我是制片人。
法院：这是一部故事片吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那如果你被汽车撞了，会发生什么
发生？
陪审员：他们会取代我的。我不会得到报酬。
我会死的。他们会取代我。
法庭：所以如果你不是，你就是这么说
现在，这将是一个财务困难。
陪审员：是的。延期我会损失超过 100,000 美元
如果我不带这部电影的工资 —— 如果我不带这部电影
直至完成。
法庭：又是你的电话号码？
陪审员：24。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：对他的免责没有异议？
KAMARAJU 先生：不。
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芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
书记员：法官，到目前为止已有22岁。
法庭：哦，好吧。我们很好。
KAMARAJU 先生：永远是个乐观主义者，法官大人。
法院：没错。没错。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。请问你的电话号码。
陪审员：38。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：。
法院：姓什么？
陪审员：。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以我将在接下来的两周内毕业。
所以我真的不想错过毕业典礼。然后之后
那个，我的父母将全职工作，而我就是其中之一
我十岁的妹妹的看护人。而且我需要去那里
比如，接她放学然后确保给她喂饱肚子
诸如此类。
法院：那你要获得什么学位？
陪审员：学士学位。
法院：学士学位。那什么时候毕业？
陪审员：现在是下周了。仪式之后是
庆祝奖项之类的。
法庭：你是说你在乎自己吗
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姐姐 100%，没有其他人可以信赖
开启？
陪审员：还有其他 —— 我还有另一个家庭
成员谁能，但是 —— 她还是 —— 她还很年轻，她是
不是 —— 她还年轻，已经 19 岁了。而且我不知道
希望这个负担完全由她承担。
法院：那么毕业日期是什么时候？
陪审员：5月28日。
法院：5月28日。
然后你说你还有别的东西
要去？
陪审员：这是可选的。我也许可以解决这个问题
那个。但主要是确保我能做到这一点，而且
然后照顾我姐姐就行了。
法院：所以如果你能去参加毕业典礼
5月28日，那么你对学校的承诺是
满意；对吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：然后你说还有别人
谁能照顾你姐姐，尽管不是最可取的，
你就是这么跟我说的吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
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法庭：好吧。我们二十八号要下车吗？
MURRAY 女士：不，那是下周二。
SHROFF 女士：我犯了同样的错误。我全是
兴奋的。
法庭：好吧。那你想做什么？
SHROFF 女士：你知道，让她去参加颁奖典礼
仪式。我们的数字状况良好。
芬克尔先生：毕业很重要。
法庭：那好吧。38，是吗？
好吧。对不起 38 号。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：37。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：所以基本上，比如，我在敲门
政治候选人。而初选在25号举行。而且
不管她赢了还是输了我都可能失业了
最重要的是，如果是八到十周的话
要付工资，试用期为七周，我没有
钱进来了。而且我将无法支付我的信用卡或者
为我的猫的健康付费，比如买猫保险。
法庭：所以你说这将是一笔财务问题
给你带来困难？
陪审员：真是太糟糕了。
法庭：好吧。
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陪审员：我还有一件事要提出。
法庭：来吧。
陪审员：我不想听起来很刻薄，但是
当我听说被告确实喜欢加密的东西时，我是
有点像真的反对任何加密的东西。我很友善
或者认为他们不可信。他们进行诈骗。我会的
真的有偏见。我想我根本无法越过它。我有
我听过很多关于这些事情的消息，对不起。
法院：不，没关系。
好吧。我很感激你的坦率。
你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：我们已经为她原谅了。
KAMARAJU 先生：我们没有异议。
FINKEL 先生：想再次原谅她？我们也不是。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？39？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。你叫什么名字？
陪审员：我的名字是。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我有一个十岁的孩子
负责每天上下学。我的
配偶通宵工作到上午8点，白天睡觉。
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一旦学校结束，我就到了。我一直是他的夏令营直到八月
当他真正的夏令营开始时。我们家里没有家人
该区域。很多人有家庭帮助；我们没有
那个。我住在威彻斯特北部。我花了两个小时才有
到这里。直到八月我都是我孩子的全部。另外，我们有一个
最重要的是，计划在7月4日当周进行家庭度假
那个。
法院：好吧。
陪审员：原来如此。
法庭：谢谢你告诉我。
陪审员：而且我现在没手机很紧张
电话。我也是他的紧急联系人。
法庭：好吧。我明白。
你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：第 39 号，有人反对我吗
对不起 39 号？
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自我们，法官大人。
（陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：41。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：嗯，我马上遇到了日程安排问题。
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我计划从纽约飞到旧金山待一会儿
周二下午的会议。而且我没打算
从加利福尼亚返回，直到 6 月 8 日。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：我的名字。
法庭：那你为什么要去
会议？
陪审员：这是一次护理人员会议，也是其中的一部分
我的 —— 我是一家小公司的首席执行官，我受邀参加
参加会议。
法庭：那么这是你需要做的事情吗
做？
陪审员：我不是必填项，但需要很多
四处走动来改变它。
我还有一张票 —— 已确认的票，那是
不可退款，在 6 月 21 日出国但不是
回来直到 7 月 1 日。
法庭：那你要去哪里？
陪审员：去爱尔兰。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：然后最后一件事就是我跑一个
小公司。我是首席执行官。我们有六名员工。所以，你
知道，我可以离开一会儿，但要不带任何人出去
在白天进行沟通，在工作时间进行沟通
长时间肯定会有问题。
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法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：有人反对我为她辩解吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自我们，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
法院：那是 41 吗？
SHROFF 女士：是的。
法庭：那好吧。
（陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。
如果你能告诉我你的电话号码，拜托。
陪审员：是的。
法院：23。还有你的名字？
陪审员：。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我父亲在临终关怀医院，他已经 97 岁了。我是他的
他唯一的孩子和主要看护人。我来是因为我
我以为我可能得服刑两周，但是七个星期
几周是不可能的。如果发生什么事，我是
只有一个。
法庭：得知你父亲的消息我很抱歉。
好吧。别担心，你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：她是？
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SHROFF 女士：23。
法庭：好吧。所以对不起她没有
反对；对吗？
芬克尔先生：是的，法官大人。
KAMARAJU 先生：是的，法官大人。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。如果你能告诉我你的电话号码
拜托。
陪审员：21。
法庭：还有你的名字。
陪审员：。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：下周四和周五我要离开。
而且我在一家医院的IT部门工作，应该是这样
我很难腾出那么多时间。
法庭：那你在哪家医院工作？
陪审员：蒙特菲奥雷。
法院：所以那是一家大医院，里面有很多，
很多很多员工。而且我想你不是唯一的
那里有 IT 人员；我说得对吗？
陪审员：没有。没有。我的意思是是的，对不起，你是对的。
法庭：好吧。这样他们就能找到
有人来帮你填写；对吗？
陪审员：是的。我想是这样。
法庭：而你所说的这个即将消失，
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这是强制性的吗？
陪审员：我的意思是，是的。我已经预订了机票。它是
来个单身派对
法院：你的航班预订了吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：有人反对我为她辩解吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不，法官大人。我们不会
毁了她的单身派对
法庭：好吧。所以她当时 21 岁。好吧。
（陪审员在场）
陪审员：再次问好，法官大人。
法庭：你好。又是你的电话号码？
陪审员：19。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：有几个。
所以我周五要和家人一起去度假。
然后我将在六月底到七月去德国
在大型国际体育赛事中排名第二。我们买了
机票，买了机票，预订了酒店。这是一个
费用约为5K。
当然，我缺勤七周就是
对我的雇主非常不利，因为他们
需要通过某种消防演习快速进行委托
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权威，因为目前我有权做某些事情
事情。还有不少在美国和海外的分支机构
你知道，其他人无权这样做。而且
就替代我的费用而言，需要支付律师费
我想说的是那里的存在 —— 我估计是这样，
在七周的时间里，大概是500左右，
600K。
法庭：你是做什么的？
陪审员：我是一名董事总经理兼法律顾问
投资银行。
法庭：那么你是一名律师？
陪审员：是的。
法院：嗯，投资银行当然可以
有能力为你找到替代品。
陪审员：我并不是说他们做不到。我只是
说他们能找到替补球员，但我的队伍包括
更多的初级律师。而且那些律师无法
提供相同类型的评论并生成相同类型的
无需向外部律师求助即可提供文件。我敢肯定你
知道，法官大人，外部律师相当昂贵，因为
我们说的是尊贵的产品、衍生品，非常
结构化的。这将使他们付出很多代价。
所以只是想给你一个主意，即使你需要
备忘录，法律备忘录，希望还有这里的律师
可以证明这一点，或者只是摘要甚至是尽职调查
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与某项并购相关的问卷
交易、并购交易，法官大人，
那大概要花费大约 250 万美元左右。
法庭：所以你还提到你有一个
国外活动；对吗？
陪审员：是的，法官大人，这是2024年的欧洲赛事。
法庭：你已经买了门票吗？
陪审员：我做到了。我做到了。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：第19号。
有人反对我为他辩解吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自我们，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：法官大人，我们不反对。
只需要注意的是，试用有可能已经完成
到那时。在某人旅行的范围内，这是可能的
或者某人被原谅的原因是因为他们可能是
比如说，在7月4日离开，但我们不是，
从政府的角度来看，那将是一个好时机
让另一位陪审员介入。
所以我们不反对这个特定的陪审员；我只是
想在我们向前迈进的过程中注意到这一点。
法院：明白了。
对不起 19 号。
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（陪审员出现在侧边栏）
法院：你的号码是多少？
陪审员：42。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：是的，所以我 —— 仅供参考，我在
金融——适用于金融科技公司。我必须做
去那家公司旅行，特别是在那一周内
这段时期的中期，这将很难做到
退出那次旅行是因为那是我们最大的旅行之一
顾客。所以这是主要问题。
法院：你在公司担任什么职务？
陪审员：我是一名销售主管，所以我和我们的一些人一起工作
最大的客户，与他们会面至关重要
顾客。我们已经安排了一些预定的会议
西海岸，如果我不参加那些会议，那是
会给我的团队带来一些困难。
法庭：所以如果你被卡车和其他人撞了
公司的人需要为你填补空缺，难道这些不行吗
会议举行了吗？
陪审员：我想是的。
法庭：好吧。所以你还不完全
不可或缺的。
陪审员：我想没有人是。
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法庭：好吧。还有什么你想要的吗
要说？
陪审员：特定于——
法庭：我的问题，我提出的问题。
听起来你没什么好说的了所以你
可以退后一步。谢谢。
陪审员：好吧。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：他不是？
SHROFF 女士：42。
法庭：我认为没有理由为他辩解。
芬克尔先生：没有异议。
KAMARAJU 先生：没有异议。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：32。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以我在 NBA 工作，现在是
季后赛，我们倾向于参加决赛和季后赛，
然后我马上要去做医疗手术
在停机期间，所以——
法庭：那定于什么时候举行？
陪审员：还没安排好因为——我没有
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想说得太详细，但基本上是试管婴儿，仅此而已
基本上会开启，比如你的卵泡是如何生长的，所以
我回来的时候会试着马上开始手术
从决赛开始，然后它可能会持续到任何地方
从三到四周，手术。
法庭：那你是说你已经安排好了吗
在这段时间是因为——
陪审员：因为我的 —— 因为一旦赛季结束，我
大约有两三个月的时间才能把所有东西都放进去
在赛季再次开始之前订购，即 9 月。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：有人反对我为她辩解吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自我们，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。所以这是第 32 号。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你是什么号码？
陪审员：31。
法庭：请问你的名字吗？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我有两个年幼的孩子。我已经组织好了
5:00 之后接下来的两周的托儿服务我没有
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在那之后我可以使用。只是—— 我做不到
让它与数字配合使用。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对我的第31号借口吗？
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自我们，法官大人。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你是什么号码？
陪审员：33。
法院：还有？
陪审员：我的是 24 号到 27 号，我有表弟
从英国过来预付假期，我需要
时间——我需要一天的时间来看看她能不能不用任何东西就能移动
处罚。
法庭：你是说你可以联系她——
陪审员：但是如果我有手机的话。
法庭：午休时间你可以试试
联系她看看她能不能改变日程安排。
陪审员：好吧，我们可以移动它吗。我可能需要直到
明天早上。是的。那是时候——
法庭：你的意思是可能在明天早上之前
你会有答案吗？
陪审员：是的，是的。
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法院：但可能比这还要早？
陪审员：如果我能拿到手机。因为她已经进去了
伦敦，所以我们有时差，所以我只需要
想知道她能推动吗？还有相关的处罚吗？
随之而来。没关系吗？
法庭：好吧。所以你要询问然后
你会回到我身边。
陪审员：我会的。是的，我会的。
法庭：好吧。谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法律书记员：下一个？
法院：是的。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你是什么号码？
陪审员：43。
法庭：再说一遍？
陪审员：43。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我是单身妈妈。我有两个孩子。我
没有经济上的帮助或者没有人可以帮我解决这些问题，所以我
需要工作。
法庭：你是说这将是一场财务问题吗
你很难——
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陪审员：是的。
法院：——成为陪审员？
陪审员：是的。我还有别的东西，但我不知道
如果你想让我现在就告诉你还是等着
法庭：来吧。
陪审员：在我长大的时候，我父亲在里面
因一些类似罪行被判入联邦监禁20年，税收
逃税，保险欺诈。
法庭：好吧。谢谢。谢谢你告诉我
我们。好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：有人反对我的借口吗
第 43 号？
KAMARAJU 先生：法官大人，我们很想留住她，但是
没有。
法庭：好吧。好吧。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：45。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我家里有三个孩子 —— 一个 2 岁的孩子，一个
4 岁和一个 9 岁的孩子——我和我丈夫是他们的
例如，主要护理人员已经协调了我们的日程安排
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掩盖它们，然后还要掩盖学校日历，但事实并非如此
帮帮我。
法院：明白了。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对我的第 45 号借口吗？
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
KAMARAJU 先生：不，法官大人。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：58。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我是一名物理治疗师，我们非常棒
我住的地方人手不足，最终我的病人只是
在接下来的七年里将无法获得医疗服务
周。
法庭：那你为谁工作？
陪审员：常春藤康复中心。
法院：那在哪里？
陪审员：我们有 600 个地点，但我在
威彻斯特，在哈里森所在地。
法庭：那如果你被卡车撞了，会发生什么
发生？
陪审员：我们本来会有的 —— 我们会有更长的时间
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接受物理治疗的候补名单，还有患者，
不幸的是，会很痛苦。
法院：所以本质上你唯一关心的是
事实上，你人手不足。
陪审员：嗯嗯。
法院：是的吗？
陪审员：是的。对不起。
法院：但是如果设施足够的话
有工作人员，你服务不会有任何问题。
陪审员：是的，绝对可以。我相信要为之服务
我所在的社区。这就是我醒来后要做的
每天。
法庭：你是我的后退一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：我认为没有理由解雇她。
芬克尔先生：政府同意。
SHROFF 女士：老实说，法官大人，我无法分辨出来
她或其他无法来这里的人之间的区别
因为他们有育儿问题。这是同一回事。我
意思是——
法院：不是。你有义务小心
你的孩子，如果你的孩子没有得到照顾，
那里存在安全问题。但这是关于某个人的
脚踝骨折了无法在里面接受物理治疗
他们想要的时间段。他们可能得去
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不同的物理治疗师。
好吧。我们来找下一个人吧。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：60，法官大人。
法庭：60？
陪审员：60。
法院：请问你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我刚获得软件硕士学位
工程我正在找工作，我很担心
在这里度过的时间会推迟我在公司找工作的时间。所以
这个过程相当漫长。这需要几个小时，两个小时
通常为四小时的技术评估——技术评估
在这些公司面试，所以对于每家公司来说，这都是
花费大量时间，再加上为此做准备
评估，再加上实际申请职位和写作
求职信。这确实是一份全职工作。
法庭：那如果你能的话会发生什么
在这段时间里不全神贯注吗？
陪审员：嗯，我担心自己找不到
由于夏季空缺职位的到来，我的入职时间会延迟
进入战场。
法院：如果发生这种情况呢？
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陪审员：我无法搬出我的父母
回家然后出去找个公寓，我没法去
开始我的职业生涯。
法庭：所以，你的意思是，这会打乱你的局面
计划在一定时间内找到工作并搬出去
在一定时间内你父母的房子；是吗
正确？
陪审员：是的，女士。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：我认为这不是理由
解雇。有什么分歧吗？
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
KAMARAJU 先生：不。
法庭：好吧。让我们来看下一张。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你是什么号码？
陪审员：27。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以我从年底起就一直失业
一月。我刚刚开始一份新工作。七个星期
让我差不多七个星期没钱，还不够付我的钱
账单。财务困难对我来说可能太过分了。
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法庭：好吧。所以你会退后一步。谢谢
您。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对我的第 27 号借口吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不。
芬克尔先生：不。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：你的号码是多少？
陪审员：28。
法院：28。还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：旅行会花我太多钱
为此。
法院：你住在哪里？
陪审员：钱。
法庭：所以你说它太昂贵了
您。
陪审员：每天要花我一百美元
旅行。
法院：那你使用什么样的交通工具，
先生？
陪审员：我走 Monsey Trails，然后我坐出租车
这里。
法庭：对不起。我不明白。首先
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你拿什么？
陪审员：当地社区巴士。
法院：所以有些公共汽车是从罗克兰开来的
县到港务局，然后你可以坐火车
从市中心的港务局出发。
陪审员：我做不到 —— 我得去 —— 我得去
坐出租车去公共汽车。
法庭：好吧。而且——
陪审员：然后是公共汽车和火车。
法庭：好吧。所以你是说出租车费
从你家到公交车站——
陪审员：然后是公交车站——
法庭：你是说那太昂贵了
为了你。
陪审员：是的。
法庭：再告诉我你的电话号码？
陪审员：28。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。你可以走
返回。
陪审员：离开？
法律书记员：不，先生。回到你的座位上。谢谢
您。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：有人反对我的借口吗
第 28 号？
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SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：我的号码是 35。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我是金融机构的律师
美国国际集团，很可能会在5月28日宣布
我可以退休，所以这让我介于两者之间 —— 这让我介于两者之间
在 5 月 28 日到 6 月 30 日之间，要清理我的待审案件，请分配给我
给其他人等等。尽我所能不要待在这里
那——6月30日将是我的退休日期。
法院：你的工作性质是什么？
陪审员：我是一名内部诉讼律师。
法庭：所以如果你是作为陪审员来这里的
你说你会被这个义务分散注意力
清理你的待审案件？
陪审员：是的。我得分配 —— 我得分配
把案子交给其他人我得结案了
我正在努力。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢你，法官。
（陪审员不在场）
SHROFF 女士：法官大人，我想你原谅了 35 号
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之前。
法院：是的。我忘记了。是啊。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：你的号码是多少？
陪审员：53。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我和我丈夫都来自捷克
共和国，来自欧洲，六月是我——六月底是我的
岳父 80 岁生日，我们本来打算去看的，不是
在六月，但我们计划像七月初一样。我们没有
但是，比如设置日期，但想和我协调
姐姐，和我妹妹在一起，和我姐姐在一起，和我——所以
有很多人参与其中，所以我们没有
设置日期，但我们计划在 7 月初，所以——
法院：好吧。好吧，我希望你过得愉快
旅行。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：是的。好吧。另一个——
法院：没关系。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：好吧。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：你好。你是什么号码？
陪审员：54。
法庭：先生，你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
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陪审员：如果我不工作，我的工作就得不到报酬。
法庭：你是做什么的？
陪审员：我在纽约电力局安全部门工作，
在怀特普莱恩斯。
法庭：那你是说这将是一个
财务困难？
陪审员：金融巨头，是的，但是，你知道，金融巨头
金融。
法院：明白了。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：好吧。谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对我的第 54 号借口吗？
SHROFF 女士：没有。
芬克尔先生：不。
法院：哇。看来这条线还在继续
成长。
法律文员：我们只放了前几行然后
然后是接下来的几行，所以我们还有——
法院：我们在数字方面表现如何？
法律书记员：我得去检查一下。
（下一个陪审员出现在侧边栏）
法院：你的号码是多少？
陪审员：哦，51。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
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法庭：如果你能说得更大声。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：现在的工作时机真的很糟糕。我工作
在拍卖行，我们在7月中旬有这么大的拍卖会，如果
接下来的七周我就要离开了，我想一定会离开
真的很糟糕。我想他们会非常生我的气。
法院：你在哪个拍卖行工作？
陪审员：菲利普斯。
法庭：如果你今天被卡车撞了，
有人可以出任你的角色；不是吗？
陪审员：是的。对不起。我只是 —— 我知道有，
比如，更大的问题，但只是 —— 有 —— 我想是这样
会——我想我的老板会很生气，其他所有人也会很生气
也是，但很明显，如果发生了，它就会发生。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：好吧。我看不出有什么理由
对不起。
法律书记员：陪审团管理员想知道
如果和何时我们要休息吃午饭。显然有
有些人想出去。我们楼下有 75 个人
等待。
法庭：哦，楼下的人可以去。
（下一位陪审员在场）
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法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：66。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我有两个问题。我的工作付不起我的报酬
休息时间，我承受不起七个星期的时间
得到报酬；然后我要去旅行两周
星期五。
法庭：所以你说这将是一笔财务问题
给你带来困难？
陪审员：非常如此，是的。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
法院：有人反对我的 66 号借口吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：65。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：哦，XXXXXXXXX。我有个家庭度假
已经安排好了。现在是 7 月 4 日我们回来了
8月24日
法院：那你有飞机票吗？
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陪审员：我可以 —— 当我有机会使用手机时，我可以
将它们转发给你。
法院：不是。我的意思是你已经安排好了
飞行。
陪审员：是的，一切都安排好了。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对我的第 65 号借口吗？
芬克尔先生：政府反对。我想我们会的
在 7 月 4 日之前完成，如果不是，将有替代方案。
KAMARAJU 先生：我认为你无法这样计划，
法官大人。
法庭：你给了我一定的估计时间，而且
现在你有点在胡言乱语所以我觉得不舒服。
芬克尔先生：法官大人，我不是在胡言乱语。昨天
我告诉法庭我们相信我们一定能做到
7 月 4 日。这仍然是我们的信念。辩方的理由是，
根据昨天的信息，大约四天。
正如我们昨天所说，政府的案情是四比五
周，趋向于四周。我们将在 7 月 4 日之前完成。
如果我们不是——
法庭：好吧，你可以向我们陈述
将在 7 月 4 日之前完成，而不是一厢情愿。
芬克尔先生：法官大人，这就是我的信念。
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法院：对。我需要的不仅仅是信念
制定时间表。
KAMARAJU 先生：另外，法官大人，我们刚才告诉了所有人
这些人认为这将是一个为期七周的审判。
法庭：不，这不打扰我。如果他现在在
愿意承诺在某一天之前完成，那么我有
灵活性。
芬克尔先生：所以，法官大人，这是我做不到的唯一原因
提交是因为有些事情超出了我的控制范围——
法院：当然。
芬克尔先生：——包括辩方陈述、时长
十字架。但如果你要我表达诚意
基础——真诚的估计，政府是否相信这一点
是的，试用将在7月4日之前完成，只要是这样
不是，我承认这是可能的，政府的
当时的观点是，如果这个陪审员成功的话
替代者可以取而代之。所以政府反对，但是
当然，我知道如何做将是法院的特权
继续处理这个问题。
KAMARAJU 先生：我们不反对。
法院：你不反对。
KAMARAJU 先生：我们不反对。我们认为这个人
应该原谅。
SHROFF 女士：我同意，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。我会原谅的
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个人。让下一步向前迈进。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：67。
法院：你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以有三件事。我有私人旅行
来吧，包括这个周末，我星期五离开，回来吧
在星期二。下周我要出差。而且
然后在 7 月 4 日那一周我也和家人团聚了
度假。
法庭：那么你已经购买了门票吗？
陪审员：是的，是的。
法庭：好吧，先生。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对我的第 67 号借口吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不。
芬克尔先生：不。
法律书记员：你大概有 40 个被原谅了。
法庭：好吧。我们还是不错的。我们有
楼下还有 75 个
SHROFF 女士：我续签申请，让 12 号人去
去工作。他和其他人没有什么不同。那个穷人
家伙。
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（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：64。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我觉得这不是问题，但我刚刚意识到
你说会持续多久，而且我患有糖尿病，所以我知道我
在这段时间内，至少要预约四次医生。所以
我不知道这是否是一个问题。还有——
法庭：所以我们每天的结局都是
2:45，所以这确实会让你在一天结束时有时间
去看医生。
陪审员：所以我可以更改预约或者
像这样的东西。
法院：正确。
陪审员：好吧。还有一件事。我要离开这个
周末我要到星期三才能回来。
法庭：那是你买的东西吗
门票？
陪审员：哦，是的，是的，是的。
法院：逃跑？
陪审员：不，不是航班，酒店。而且他们要走了
to —— 如果我不去，你知道的 —— 如果我不去，他们就会去
向我收取取消费用。
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法庭：我明白了。好吧。
陪审员：而且要等到星期三。所以——
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：好吧。非常感谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：有人反对我为她辩解吗？
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：55。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法庭：你姓什么？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：你的问题是什么？
陪审员：所以我现在在一家临时机构工作，所以我
很幸运，他们给了我一份长期任务，但他们没有
支付诸如陪审团职责之类的东西。他们最多三天。所以那么
七周太长了。然后既然我做客户服务，
他们需要有人打电话，所以我不知道我的任务是否
正在被重新分配给别人，但我不知道，比如，
我要回来干什么？
法庭：那你是说这将是一个
你的经济困难？
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陪审员：是的。就像我基本上不知道我的
我回来的时候工作就会有了，因为，再说一遍，是
就像临时机构一样，所以——
法庭：你说的是 55 还是 56？
陪审员：55。
法庭：那好吧。好吧。你可以踏步
返回。
陪审员：好吧。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：第 55 号，有人反对我为她辩解吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：不。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：57。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以6月22日那一周我要举行婚礼
塞浦路斯。
法庭：所以你已经购买了门票
婚礼？
陪审员：是的。不可退款。
法庭：好吧。好吧，一路顺风。
陪审员：谢谢。
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法院：谢谢。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：好吧。
（陪审员不在场）
KAMARAJU 先生：很棒的旅行计划。
法庭：不反对我为她辩解，对吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：74。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我要去喀布尔，明天离开，来
回到星期二；然后最主要的是六月的最后一周，
我要和我的家人和我男朋友的家人一起离开，去哪里
幸运的是，可能会问一个问题。
法庭：哦。明白了。好吧。你可以
退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
KAMARAJU 先生：祝你好运。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：对我的第 74 号借口没有异议？
KAMARAJU 先生：法官大人，这里没有。
芬克尔先生：不。
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KAMARAJU 先生：我妻子会杀了我的。
SHROFF 女士：你会后悔的。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：72。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：下个月我要搬出该州
去读研究生。
法庭：你要去哪里？
陪审员：我介于乔治敦和杜克大学之间，但我会知道的
下周。
法院：太棒了。
陪审员：我只是觉得我无法承诺七个星期。
法庭：你要学什么？
陪审员：生意。
法庭：好吧。好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对我的第 72 号借口吗？
芬克尔先生：不。
KAMARAJU 先生：不。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：71。
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法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：我叫 XXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我是一名自雇的物理治疗师。它
会遇到极大的财务困难——而且我得搬家了
我的生意要在 7 月 1 日之前完成，所以我的生意就会结束
立即服务。对不起。
法院：好吧。祝你好运。
陪审员：非常感谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对我的第 71 号借口吗？
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
KAMARAJU 先生：不，法官大人。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：你好。请问你的电话号码？
陪审员：63。
法庭：你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我想问题在于我应该这样做
星期四——也就是6月28日——和我女朋友一起走吧，
而且我本来打算在那周向她求婚。
法庭：哦。
陪审员：所以如果必须的话，那就太可惜了
改变那个。
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法庭：祝你好运。
陪审员：谢谢。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：好吧。那就不反对我了
原谅第 63 号。
书记员：他的女朋友在陪审团里吗？
（下一位陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：我是 62 岁的陪审员。
法院：你叫什么名字？
陪审员：名字 XXXXXXXXX。
法院：你的全名。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以我知道我们的审判为期七周。我是
六月底结婚。我还有 —— 我的未婚妻是
怀了我的长子。她的第一次预约医生是
明天。我作为注册护士全职工作。而且我明白了
这将是七个星期，但事实并非如此 —— 我是
我已经在经历这个问题了，已经很痛苦了，而且
所以——
法院：明白了。明白了。你可以迈步
返回。
（陪审员不在场）
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法院：这让我感到非常乐观。
62 号，有人反对我为他辩解吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自我们，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：也不是我们，法官大人。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：你的电话号码？
陪审员：48。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我是纽约市能源部的老师。我一起工作
残障学生，我感觉就像七个星期一样
远离他们会阻碍他们所拥有的一切
今年到目前为止以及本学年的剩余时间里都学了。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对我的第48号借口吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自我们。
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：61。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
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陪审员：我是一名在电视台工作的独立承包商
制作，而且要做七周真的很难。和
去年的重选罢工，实在是太艰难了。而且我有工作
从6月10日左右开始。对我们来说，七个星期很漫长
时间。
法院：这将是一个经济困难。
陪审员：财务和时间两方面。我是制片人。我
雇用拍电影的摄制组。
法庭：好吧。好吧。谢谢。你可以
退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对我的免责 61 吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自我们，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你的电话号码？
陪审员：56。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以我是一名自雇摄影师，职业生涯。
我可以服务。但是，我计划了两次旅行，第一周
六月和七月的最后一周，海外，工作相关。
法庭：你是说你已经这样说了吗
为此购买了门票？
陪审员：是的。
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法庭：好吧。
陪审员：是的，六月；不是七月。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：好吧。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对我的第 56 号借口吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法庭：请还有你的电话号码。
陪审员：68。
法院：68。还有你的名字。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我已经预订了 6 月 5 日的家庭度假，
星期三，直到6月8日，星期六，飞往亚特兰大的航班和
酒店房间。
法院：已经购买了。
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：那是什么意思？
法庭：你可以回到自己的座位上。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：好吧。对我的借口有任何异议
68 号？
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芬克尔先生：不是来自政府。
KAMARAJU 先生：不，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。所以我想做的是
现在停下来让他们回来这样我们就可以在 2:00 继续了
芬克尔先生：好吧。
KAMARAJU 先生：好吧。谢谢你，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：谢谢你，法官大人。
法院：现在差不多是 1 分之十。
所有法律顾问：谢谢你，法官大人。
（在公开法庭上）
法庭：好吧。所以我们今天早上的工作
已经结束了。你必须回到法庭或者
而是去走廊准备进入法庭
下午 2 点整整。你们当中有些人会被原谅的。
斯坦伯格先生将阅读曾经去过的人的名单
原谅。但是你们其余的人必须返回并进入
走廊——不是在楼下，不是在去法院的路上，但是
在 2:00 之前到走廊准备回来。
你必须非常认真的一件事是
你不能在彼此之间讨论这个问题，也不能和他们讨论这个问题
其他任何人。不要允许任何人讨论你的案子
存在。律师不得与你有任何联系。
因此，如果你在走廊或电梯上看到他们，或者
在外面，他们不看你或者不向你打招呼，
并不是说他们很粗鲁，而是他们只是粗鲁
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不允许与您有任何联系。
所以吃一顿美味的午餐。Steinberg 先生现在将阅读
被原谅者名单。
法律书记员：以下人员是可以原谅的
午饭后不需要回来。另请获取您的
你出去的路上有什里纳斯先生的陪审证他是蓝衣的
西装然后举起了手。
因此，以下陪审员是可以原谅的：第25号，第30号陪审员，
第 35 号、第 36 号、第 37 号、44 号、50 号、第 59 号、第 87 号、第 91 号
第 93 号、第 97 号、第 53 号、20 号、1 号、6 号、9 号、第 13 号
第 17 号、第 18 号、26 号、19 号、21 号、23 号、24 号、27 号
第 28 号、31 号、32 号、38 号、39 号、41 号、43 号、45 号，
第 54 号、第 92 号、第 93 号、66 号、65 号、第 57 号、55 号、74 号
第 72 号、第 71 号、第 63 号、第 62 号、48 号、61 号、64 号、56 号
还有第 68 个。
被原谅的陪审员，请拿出你的名片。
其他人可能会去吃午饭然后回到走廊
午饭后。谢谢。
请准备好在下午 2 点准时出发。谢谢。
拿到卡片后，你应该把它交给陪审团
管理员你今天早上在楼下集合的地方。至
再说一遍，拿到卡片后，请把它带给陪审团
你今天早上在楼下集合的房间。谢谢
再次为你服务。
法院：所以我们从 100 开始，我们下跌了 51
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楼下还有 75 个。所以我还是很乐观的
那我们就去找陪审团了
午饭后见。
所有法律顾问：谢谢你，法官大人。
（午餐会休会）
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A F T E R N O O N S E S S S I O N
下午 2:15
（出席）
法庭：大家下午好。欢迎回来。
对于那些准时到来并做好准备的人
下午 2 点走进法庭，谢谢。对于你们当中那些人来说
谁迟到了，如果我做不到，就根本不可能进行试验
取决于你在约定的时间及时到达。所以
拜托，请准时来；否则，每个人都在等着而且
东西被扔掉了。
好吧。你们当中有人有任何个人知识吗
本案的指控是什么？个人对指控的了解
在这种情况下。
我们还没有完成之前的内容
问题。所以，如果你愿意把他们排成一列，那就拜托了。
（在侧边栏上）
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：80，八个零。
法庭：请问你的名字？
陪审员：。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我没有足够的资金在七年内做这件事
周。我按小时领取报酬。
法庭：所以你说这将是财务问题
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困难？
陪审员：我 —— 是的。我想我没钱去
直播，因为我刚大学毕业，还在付钱给学生
贷款。我无法连续七周这样做。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：有人反对我为他辩解吗？
芬克尔先生：不。
法庭：那是零吗？
芬克尔先生：是的。
法庭：好吧。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：75。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我姐姐要在费城结婚
在星期五。我本该带她走过道的
我也是一名律师。我有两次出庭
下个月上线，加利福尼亚的一起案件；另一起案件
在皇后区。我也许可以找别人去
掩盖它，但实际上我所在部门的另一位成员在场
特朗普陪审团，这有点不幸。
然后我计划在上周度假
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六月，泽西海岸。我也许可以解决这个问题。但是
然后我们就预订了 —— 我的家人被预订去意大利旅行了
下周。
法庭：那你什么时候去意大利？
陪审员：现在是 6 号星期六吗？对不起，我没有
我的日历在我身上。我想是7月6日。
法庭：而且你已经有门票了吗？
陪审员：是的，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：有人反对我为他辩解吗？
芬克尔先生：不。
SCHIRICK 先生：不。
法庭：他是数字？
SCHIRICK 先生：75。
法庭：好吧。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：76。
法庭：你叫什么名字？
陪审员：。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我计划在 15 日进行家庭度假
七月的。
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法院：7月15日？
陪审员：正确。
法庭：好吧。所以我们只是在经历
第 12 个。
陪审员：法官大人，它可能会延期。
法庭：对不起？
陪审员：它可能会延长。你之前自己说过。
法院：是的。我比以前更自信
那天早上只会持续到十二号。所以没问题
那就为你准备了
陪审员：好吧。
法院：非常好。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：我依赖你。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你的电话号码是多少？
陪审员：89。
法庭：89？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：我的名字是。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我有一个与工作有关的问题。我是合伙人
在柯克兰和埃利斯投资基金集团工作。我真的，
现在有一些优惠真的陷入困境。而且我不知道
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我想我有能力为七人审理案件
周。我明白我的公民责任；很乐意回来
今年夏天晚些时候再试一次。但我不能进去
陪审团每天待九个小时然后每天工作 12 到 15 个小时
晚上持续七个星期。我做不到。我甚至不会成为
好陪审员。
法庭：那你为什么不当个好陪审员？
陪审员：因为我要睡觉了。我有一个
我必须完成的工作量令人难以置信，但我做不到
同时做这两件事。而且我无法订阅我的作品。
法庭：你是说你会这样吗
如果你担任工作职务，就会被你的工作义务分散注意力
陪审员？
陪审员：我当然会的。而且我也不知道
我会有注意力、耐力等
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：有人反对我为她辩解吗？
SCHIRICK 先生：没有。
芬克尔先生：不。
（陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你的电话号码，先生？
陪审员：95。
法庭：又是你的名字？
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陪审员：。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以我在一家银行工作。
法院：是的。
陪审员：而且他们没有七周的期限
能够担任陪审团的职责。我认为这很重要
不到七周。
法庭：你是说他们不会付钱给你吗？
陪审员：不，不是。我检查 HR，向 HR 查询。我觉得
允许履行陪审团职责的时间少于七年
周。
法庭：好吧。因此，有法律义务
不管你的公司怎么说，都要当陪审员。
陪审员：好吧。
法庭：所以我要问你的问题是他们在说吗
他们不会付钱给你？
陪审员：薪水一点都没有。没有
关于工资的规定。
法庭：好吧。所以他们对什么没有发言权
公民的义务是。
陪审员：好吧。此外，我们刚刚接受了检查
由纽约联邦储备银行撰写，还有很多
我们必须实现的目标和一个项目。而且它非常
除了所有其他日常任务外，现在持续时间很短
我需要做的。它是在到期日之前完成的。
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法院：你在哪家银行工作？
陪审员：我在瑞穗工作。
法庭：瑞穗还有其他员工吗？
陪审员：是的，他们确实如此。只是这个部门
我进来有具体的截止日期。而且 —— 差不多成功了
要想不在里面对我来说有点困难。
法庭：那么如果你被卡车撞到会发生什么
今天？
陪审员：我只是说会如此 —— 确实如此
我想我会付出很多努力，所以解释一下就行了
我的情况，仅此而已。
法庭：所以我的意思是如果你这样做
今天消失——
陪审员：对。
法庭：— 银行会找别人做
你的工作；不是吗？
陪审员：确实如此。
法庭：好吧。那就好了。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：我不会为他辩解的。
SCHIRICK 先生：没人反对。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。
陪审员：下午好，女士。
法院：请问你的电话号码。
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陪审员：96。
法庭：请还有你的名字。
陪审员：。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我是一名教育工作者，高中。而且我有一个
案件量。现在是学年快结束了，而我
在学生离开之前必须先把我和他们的关系搞好
等等，还有我负责的其他合规问题
学校。
法庭：你说你有大量案件。你是什么
标题？
陪审员：我是一名治疗师。所以我在和学生一起工作
一直以来。
法院：你在公立学校系统吗？
陪审员：是的，公立学校系统。
法庭：好吧。好吧。
如果你想退一步，拜托。
陪审员：谢谢你，女士。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对我的第96号借口吗？
SCHIRICK 先生：不。
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。
陪审员：你怎么样？
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法庭：我很好。你怎么样？
陪审员：我没事。
法庭：请告诉我你的电话号码。
陪审员：82。
法庭：82？还有你的名字，拜托。
陪审员：。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：问题出在哪里？
法庭：是的。你来告诉我一件事。
陪审员：哦，好吧。我是一名护士，好吧。原来如此
我很难浪费七个星期。
法庭：你这么说是因为从财务上讲
对你来说会很困难吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：如果你不去法庭，你会得到报酬吗
工作？
陪审员：不，我得去工作。
法庭：好吧。好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对我的借口 No.
82？
SCHIRICK 先生：没人反对。
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你是什么号码？
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陪审员：陪审员 84。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我的雇主，他们只付两周的陪审费
责任。所以恐怕如果我参加为期七周的试用期，我会去
必须获得五周的减薪。
法院：所以那将是一个经济困难
为了你？
陪审员：正确。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：有人反对我为她辩解吗？
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
SCHIRICK 先生：没有。
法庭：她当时 84 岁？
MURRAY 女士：是的。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：85。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我是自雇人士。我有一家小狗日托。
我是一名训犬师。所以我住在威彻斯特。当我来的时候
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在这里，我必须关闭我的生意，因为它是我自己经营的。
所以周末和节假日是我有空的日子，但是在周末和节假日期间
这周对我来说有点难来。
然后你给我们的日期，我确实有狗
那会过夜，所以我白天得待在家
因为我没有人可以带他们出去。我有 15、20 只狗
每天。这就是原因之一。如果我有
雇主，那就是 —— 但我没有。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对我的第 85 号借口吗？
SCHIRICK 先生：没有。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：86。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我姐姐在的时候我会照顾侄女
工作。
法院：对不起？
陪审员：我姐姐在的时候我会照顾侄女
工作。对我来说，在经济上很难待上七个星期。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。谢谢
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您。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对我的第86号借口吗？
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
SCHIRICK 先生：没有。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：98。
法院：98。还有你的名字？
陪审员：。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：其实有三件事。
我有出版截止日期。我正在提交一个
一本将于八月份出版的书的章节；我有五个小时的时间
每天上下班；而且我患有慢性眼病
我越累就更难读书。而且我觉得
你知道，在这七周内每天通勤将是
筋疲力尽。
法庭：你来自哪里？
陪审员：我住在普特南县。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：有人反对我的借口 No.
98？
SCHIRICK 先生：没人反对。
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MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。
陪审员：你好。
法庭：你的号码是多少？
陪审员：我的号码是 99。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：嗯，我还在工作。我已经半退休了。
星期一，我会开办公室。如果假期恰好是
星期一，然后星期二我开办公室。还有时间长度
而且事实是，也许是星期一我可能不必去
可以工作，这给我带来了经济困难。我是
我已经半退休了，今年我已经76岁了，我需要钱。
法庭：明白了。好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：非常感谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：好吧。
有人反对我的第99号借口吗？
SCHIRICK 先生：没人反对。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：100。
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法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我计划在年中进行工作旅行
六月，我要离开该州待几天。我也是
安排家庭成员和朋友的单身派对
在审判期限内于7月举行。
法庭：那么白天是单身派对吗？
陪审员：我将在本周中旬离开，是的，
在审判结束之前。
法庭：你会去哪里？
陪审员：直至纽约萨拉托加。然后我们是
旅行 —— 六月中旬将出州前往密歇根州
在一周中的几天内持续一周的中间。
法庭：你以什么为生？
陪审员：我是一名土木工程师。
法院：那你在公司工作吗？
陪审员：是的，我为 HTR 提供咨询。这是一个
总部设在纽约的咨询公司。而且我们有一个
这个项目是全国性的，涉及我去过的一些旅行
在过去的几年里一直在做。
法庭：所以如果你今天被卡车撞到，那就是
公司里还有其他人能做你的工作吗？
陪审员：是的。
法院：是的。好吧。
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你说单身派对在萨拉托加举行？
陪审员：嗯嗯。
法庭：好吧。因此，这是一个非常容易的驾驶。
陪审员：是的，但我猜应该是在
审判将结束。
法庭：派对是一周中的哪一天？
陪审员：我将在星期三离开。会是
我将于 7 月 10 日离开。
法庭：你是说聚会在星期三举行
而不是（比如）星期五或星期六？
陪审员：嗯，这是整个周末。我明白了
星期三晚上在那里，派对一直持续到周末，
星期四、星期五和星期六。
法庭：除此之外还有其他东西
单身派对？
陪审员：不，这是整个周末。
法庭：整整一个周末。
好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：有人反对我为他辩解吗？
SCHIRICK 先生：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。对不起 100 号。
（陪审员在场）
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法院：你好。
陪审员：我以前来过这里，第 33 号。
法院：是的。
陪审员：没有重要内容我们就无法改变假期
处罚。
法庭：好吧。我明白。
陪审员：我们试过了。
法院：谢谢。感谢你制作
努力。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：所以第 33 号，有人反对我的借口
她？
SCHIRICK 先生：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你是什么号码？
陪审员：不是。
法院：第 3 号。那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：当我与智障人士一起工作时
个人，实际上要持续六个星期
压倒性的。而且我晚上工作，你知道的。然后再加上我
我没有自己的孩子，但我要照顾我的家人
必须从学校接送。所以我做不到。它会去
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努力点。
法庭：那么关于你的工作，你是说的吗
那个——
陪审员：这份工作将在八年内让人不知所措
周。
法院：在什么意义上是压倒性的？
陪审员：因为我们已经做空了。工作人员很短。
员工，我们已经短缺了。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：然后我得亲自挑选我的家人
把我的侄女和侄子放学。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：因为我晚上工作。
法庭：你什么时候去接孩子？
陪审员：我晚上工作。在 2-3:45 结束一局。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：那是什么数字？
SCHIRICK 先生：我相信是三个。
法庭：好吧。
那么有人反对我的三号借口吗？
SCHIRICK 先生：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你的名字？
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陪审员：第 52 号。
法庭：来吧。
陪审员：所以我担心会出去工作
七个月 —— 七个星期，对不起。我训练姿势
还有手术员做白内障手术。还有延期
可能有七个星期，我担心我会输的
生意我就要失业了那是我的恐惧。
法院：那么你是否在一家提供捐款的公司工作
你有工资吗？
陪审员：正确。
法庭：那你是说他们不会付钱给你吗
如果你不露面？
陪审员：我的意思是我不知道我们会去
有替代品 —— 为这些外科医生提供支持
去做白内障手术。
法院：你支持谁，哪些机构？
陪审员：ASC和做白内障手术的医院，
比如我。还有 Gramercy。我们在那里做白内障手术。
我为那里的外科医生提供支持。如果我不是
在那里，他们不会使用我们的产品；我也没有
如果我不在，可以给我换货。
法庭：你是说没有其他人能做到
做好你的工作？
陪审员：这片领土上没有其他人能这样
会做好我的工作。我报道的是新泽西州、康涅狄格州、特拉华州
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和纽约市。
法庭：所以如果你今天被卡车撞了，不行
手术？
陪审员：他们不会使用我们的产品。
法庭：他们会使用别人。
陪审员：他们不会使用我们的产品。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：有人反对我为他辩解吗？
SCHIRICK 先生：没人反对。
MURRAY 女士：没有。
法庭：他是数字？
默里女士：52。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的电话号码，先生？
陪审员：76。我以前来过这里。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：问题是我感觉不舒服
在你告诉我你要在 12 号完成任务之间
而且我有 15 号的航班。我知道你超级聪明，
而且我知道你已经控制了整个案子。但是
第 12 和 15 之间的差距非常不舒服
我，除了拖累更多资金所带来的财务压力之外
我的家人要花两三周的时间。
法庭：那么当你说财务紧张时，该怎么做
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你的意思是？
陪审员：嗯，你们每小时花 60 美元，而我是
我的工作不会得到报酬。
法庭：你是说你必须放弃你的
工资，你在这里的时候不会得到报酬？
陪审员：正确。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：好吧。所以有人反对我的借口
他？
SCHIRICK 先生：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
法庭：那他是号码吗？
默里女士：76。
法庭：好吧。好吧。
看起来就是这样。我们回去吧。
（在公开法庭上）
法庭：有人亲身了解吗
这个案子的指控？
好吧。请加紧努力。
（在侧边栏上）
（陪审员在场）
法庭：你是什么号码？
陪审员：12。
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法庭：那你对此有什么了解
案例？
陪审员：所以我可能在《华尔街日报》上读过
那个 —— 所以我知道他曾经或曾经很强大
与史蒂夫·班农的关系。我认为他的最终目标是
推翻中国的共产主义政权。而且他
我相信是骗了十亿美元左右
投资者或者你知道，被指控欺诈了
来自投资者的数十亿美元。而且，你知道，史蒂夫
班农与特朗普关系密切，所以一切都结束了
那个 —— 我猜是《华尔街日报》和我的报纸
读。
法庭：我们当中有很多人读过《华尔街》
日记。
陪审员：对。
法庭：但事实并非如此 —— 这并不令我感到惊讶
你可能听说过这个案子。所以第一个
问题是你能不能把你读过的内容放在一边然后开始讨论
法庭以开放的心态听取他们的证词
证人，查看任何书面证据，关注我
法律指示，做一个公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：我相信是这样，是的。
法庭：你相信什么意思？这是一个
是或不的问题。
陪审员：是的。是的，我的意思是 —— 是的。
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法院：是吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。你还提到了这个问题
与史蒂夫·班农有关。你提到了
前总统。
陪审员：对。
法庭：这与你的观点有关系吗
对这个案子有什么看法？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你没有任何支持或反对的偏见
班农先生还是特朗普先生？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：我认为没有理由为他辩解。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你是什么号码？
陪审员：我已经 40 岁了。
法院：40。
陪审员：是的。
法庭：请还有你的名字。
陪审员：。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我之前听说过这个案子
我与喜马拉雅合作的非营利组织的一些朋友
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农民网络。显然两者之间有些混乱
农民联盟和喜马拉雅农民网络.所以我
以前就知道这个案子。
法庭：你能告诉我一点吗
网络。
陪审员：当然。它们长出橙肉的甜味
土豆，是维生素A的主要来源，
预防儿童失明，这是尼泊尔的一个大问题
喜马拉雅山的其余部分。
法庭：好吧。因此，农业与此无关
案例。
陪审员：明白了。
法院：它们是两个不同的，截然不同
主题事项。
陪审员：明白了。
法院：那么，这一事实有什么说法吗
可能有一些混乱会阻止你
在本案中成为公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：可能吧。
法院：为什么？
陪审员：因为有些人工作得非常、非常
以喜马拉雅山的名义很难改善人们的生活
农民网络。而且我们有一个名字很相似的人
谁从别人那里偷东西，对我来说不太合适。
法院：因此，首先，这些只是指控。
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陪审员：明白了。
法庭：到目前为止，我们还没有看到任何证据，而且
郭先生被认为是无辜的。
陪审员：明白了。
法庭：而且在... 之前，他无法被判有罪
陪审团一致认定他有罪，不容置疑。
所以现在如果我们要让人民投票
在这个房间里，他们必须投无罪票，因为
无罪推定和检方的负担.
那么，你能不能把你可能听说过的一切放在一边
被告或其活动，然后进入法庭
以开放的心态听取证人的证词，
查看书面证据，按照我的指示
法律，并成为一个公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：我可以试试。
法庭：这是一个 “是” 或 “否” 的问题。
陪审员：所以我会说不。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：她是数字？
默里女士：40。
法庭：我会原谅她的。
SCHIRICK 先生：没人反对。
KAMARAJU 先生：只是为了明确记录。
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（陪审员在场）
法庭：先生，你的电话号码？
陪审员：42。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以在专业层面上，还有一部分
在个人层面上。
在专业层面上，我参与了
金融科技公司，包括中国公司，
在过去的20多年里。我现在的公司也是
参与加密。
因此，就个人而言，我一直在投资加密货币
过去八年的空间；有点像家庭有关
现在做生意。就案件的内容而言
我的公正能力，我有顾虑。
法院：因此，加密货币已经变得非常流行
在美国人中——实际上是全球性的。
陪审员：对。
法庭：那你为什么会有这样的担忧？
陪审员：是的。所以，我的意思是，我知道很多
发生的与合规洗钱有关的问题
无论是在专业层面还是在个人层面。我觉得
就像我离这个空间里发生的事情太近了
在过去的将近十年里，我能够判断事实
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一种公正的方式。
法院：所以很多人都知道
加密货币和其他财务问题。还有这个问题
是你能把知识放在一边出庭吗
以开放的心态听取证人的证词
查看文件，听从我的法律指示，然后
一个公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：你的问题是？
法庭：我的问题是你能不能把你的问题放在一边
对该主题的了解以及您对该主题的感受
事由，以开放的心态出庭和
听取证人的证词，查看纪录片
证据，听从我的法律指示，保持公平和
公正的陪审员？
陪审员：说实话，不是。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：他是 42 岁吗？
SCHIRICK 先生：没错。
法庭：好吧。所以我要解雇他
是有原因的。
（陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：47。
法庭：还有你的名字，先生？
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陪审员：。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：当我走进房间时，我认出来了
一名被告和一名律师。我在里面看过这个案子
新闻。而且我没有太多关于这个案子的细节，但仅此而已
我在新闻里听到这个案子后得到的知识。
法院：所以这个案子已经成为新闻了。原来如此
你可能看见或听见了什么也就不足为奇了
什么或者读点什么。
陪审员：好吧。
法院：问题是，你能不能搁置一边
不管你听到或看见什么都要上法庭
心胸开阔，听取案件中的所有证据，
听取证人的证词，查看书面证据，关注我
关于法律的指示，并成为一个公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：所以我在那里当助理物业经理
这座城市和 —— 位于中城东部萨顿广场的建筑物。而且
有很多知名居民、外交官、来自
全国各地。
而且在某些情况下，居民很少
他们没有按时支付租金，因为他们要么努力
把钱从他们的国家汇到美国然后他们把它当作
不付房租的借口。
我还有另一例居民有 —
他们因欺诈被起诉我们正试图驱逐他们
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因为他们也没有付房租。
所以我很难不受理这个案子
有点个人化，因为我总是这样参与其中
居民或者我有 —— 你知道，在追捕那些居民
让他们支付房租。所以我不知道自己能不能做到
透明或公正。
法院：因此，这不是郭先生所在的案件
被指控未能支付房租。
陪审员：对。我明白。是啊。
但我确实有被指控犯有欺诈罪的居民
并由此而来。我像他们一样参与其中
无法支付租金。所以我参与了 —— 非常
熟悉律师在他们的案件中试图让他们付款
租房然后离开。
法庭：而且你不能将这些特殊情况置之不理
案例，你在这些特殊案例中的经历，然后来
以开放的心态来这里？
陪审员：我可以，但这是我每天都在做的事情
对我来说，比如，很难不评判那些 —— 在
至少有人住在我的大楼里。他们很富有或是
备受瞩目。而且总会涉及到这笔钱
你知道，有时候会像逃避事情一样。所以——
法庭：你是说你是带着一个进来的
对郭先生已经有负面情绪了吗？
陪审员：不是对他个人而言，而是对那些有倾向的人来说
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致富或拥有高知名度。
法庭：但他是这里唯一受审的人。
这不是对富人阶层的审判。所以
问题是你能不能把他当作一个人来看待，公平一点
而且对他不偏不倚？
陪审员：不看我在电视上看到的内容。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：他已经 47 岁了？
MURRAY 女士：是的。
法庭：有人反对我为他辩解吗
原因？
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
SCHIRICK 先生：不，法官大人。
法院：仅此而已？好吧。
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（在公开法庭上）
法院：有什么关于法庭的性质吗
在这种情况下，收费会妨碍你成为公平
还有不偏不倚的陪审员？
这里的政府由美联军代表
纽约南区州检察官达米安
威廉姆斯。该审判将立即由以下人员负责
美国助理检察官米卡·费根森，瑞安·芬克尔，
贾斯汀·霍顿和朱莉安娜·默里。他们将得到以下方面的协助
律师助理迈克尔·加特兰、伊莎贝尔·洛夫特斯和杰弗里·梅恩斯。
请站起来面对陪审员。
本案的被告是郭文辉。
郭先生，请站起来面对陪审员。
郭先生由他的律师 Sidhardha 代理
Kamaraju、Sabrina P. Shroff、Matthew S. Barkan 和 E. Scott
席里克。Kamaraju 先生和 Barkan 先生在
Pryor Cashman LLC；而席里克先生在以下律师事务所工作
阿尔斯顿和伯德。他们将得到律师助理鲁本的协助
蒙蒂拉，律师丹尼尔·波尔曼，约翰·基尔加德，克莱尔·蒂尔顿，
詹姆斯·比尔和普赖尔·卡什曼的豪尔赫·萨拉萨也是
参与了郭先生的辩护。
请站起来面对陪审员。
你们当中有人认识郭先生或者其他人吗
我刚刚确认的个人？
你、你的家人或亲密的朋友有没有
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与之直接或间接的任何个人或商业往来
这些人中有人吗，包括被告？
你的亲戚或密友有没有
与任何工作人员的关联或商业往来
是 Pryor Cashman LLP 还是 Alston & Bird？
那位绅士 —— 如果你愿意的话可以给他
麦克风。先生，你是什么号码？
陪审员：75，法官大人。
法院：好吧。还有你和... 的往来
陪审员：我对普赖尔·卡什曼提起了大约七起诉讼
或者八年前。不同的律师。我不认识他们。
据我所知，我最后一次与他们接触是五年
之前左右。
法庭：而且你是一名律师；对吗？
陪审员：是的，法官大人。
法庭：你可以坐下。
还有下一个人？你是什么号码？
陪审员：89。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：就像我面前的那位绅士一样。我
刚好认识了普赖尔·卡什曼的一些律师
学校或者只是来自纽约法律界。我不知道
认识这些人。
法庭：好吧。你可以坐下。
还有人吗？
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我要在里面读潜在证人的名字
这个案子，以及其他可能姓名的人
在审判期间提到。
看完名单，名字的数量，我就走了
询问你是否熟悉他们。
亚伦·米切尔，阿达伯托·卡塔布里加，亚历克斯·索尔塔尼，
亚历克斯·哈吉查拉兰布斯、亚历山德拉·盖尔、阿明·沙姆斯、艾米·巴克，
安娜·伊斯基耶多、安德鲁·齐特曼、安东尼·阿莱奇、安东尼
辩论家、Anthony Martinez、Ava Chan、刘宝荣、郭斌、BJ
彭德加斯特、博·柯林斯、布鲁斯·弗雷德里克、切尔西·格雷迪和
王清华
你们当中有人认识这些人吗？
你的家人或亲密朋友有过任何直接的往来或
间接地，和其中任何一个人在一起？
我现在要继续列出名单。
克里斯蒂娜·沙茨、克里斯汀·弗罗西尼、克里斯汀·李
考特尼·贝尼特斯、Crystal Wang、Damon Lope、Daniel Podhaskie、
达伦·布兰顿、达伦·卢斯、大卫·拉斯基；还有
被称为 Wayne；Doaa Dashoush、Ehsan Haque、Ehsan Mahsud，
伊莱恩·德拉皮亚、艾略特·布罗迪、埃里卡·布诺科尔、艾琳·麦克纳马拉、
Fay Fay，加布里埃拉·卢西亚诺。
你们当中有人认识或有家人吗
或者亲密的朋友有任何直接或间接的往来，
和那些人在一起？
我将继续列出我的名单。
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Giacomo Mattioli、Gladys Chow、Haitham、Haitam
哈立德、Haley Richins、Haoran He、Ho He、Guo Hongfei、Isabel
Despins、杰米·威尔逊、Jammy Tam、Janie Du、Jason Miller、Jenny
李、杰里米·特普金、杰西·布朗、杰西卡·马斯特罗乔瓦尼
杰西卡·沃尔奇科，彭健，易建虎。
你们当中有人认识或有任何家庭成员吗？
与任何人有过直接或间接交易的朋友
那些人中的一员？
我要继续。
边洁宇、约翰·摩根、约瑟夫·胡格达尔、朱莉安娜
李斯特、贾斯汀·阿特伍德、卡琳·迈斯特罗、凯瑟琳·迈尔斯、
卡特里娜·拉佩鲁塔、Kelly Noh、Kevin Min “William” Je、Kin Min “William” Je、
Kit Addleman、Kyle Bass、Lan You、Le Zhou、Lee Chu、Limarie
雷耶斯·莫利纳里斯、林超、朗尼·索扎和路易·邦苏坎。
你认识或有任何家庭成员吗？
亲密的朋友与这些人有过任何往来
直接还是间接？
继续我的清单。
露珠、吕克·德斯平斯、玛德琳·德斯平斯、玛吉·斯克拉尔、
玛吉·墨菲、马里奥斯·马泽里斯、马克·威廉姆斯、马文·詹姆斯
索耶、马特·史密斯、马特奥·甘迪尼、马修·波廷格、马克斯
克拉斯纳、郭梅、梅丽莎·巴卡里、梅丽莎·弗朗西斯、梅丽莎
门德斯、张孟同、吴敏然、周娜和尼古拉斯
Dimarino。
你们当中有人认识或有任何人或你的家人吗
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成员或亲密朋友有任何直接交易或
间接地，与这些人中的任何一个？
我将继续列出我的清单。
Nickie Lum Davis、妮可·托雷斯、妮可·蔡妮
彭，奥利维亚·塞巴德，保罗·索齐，帕特里克·钦，帕特里克·约克，
保罗·多兰、保罗·欣顿、普拉卡兹雷尔·米歇尔、普里亚·帕特尔；强
Guo，又名 Mileson；夏启东，又名 Long
Island David；瑞秋·坎贝尔、瑞秋·卡特赖特、雷·德拉贡，
罗伯特·斯托特、罗宾·莫赫塔尔、罗斯·海内迈耶。
你们当中有人认识或有你或你的家人吗
成员或亲密朋友有任何直接交易或
间接地，和其中任何一个人在一起？
我将继续列出我的清单。
安瑞正，又名 “瑞安” 和 “螃蟹”；罗素
斯托基尔，瑞安·西尔斯，山姆·罗伯茨，萨拉·维，斯科特·巴内特，
沙梅尔·梅德拉诺、西蒙·杰、索菲娅·陈、斯蒂尔·肖滕海默、
史蒂夫·班农、史蒂夫·韦伯、泰德罗·威尔逊、汤姆·毕晓普、汤姆
O'Leary、Una Wilkinson、Victor Cerda、William Kumpf、何晓波。
敏小可
你们当中有人认识或有你或你的家人吗
或亲密的朋友与之有任何直接或间接的往来
这些人中有人吗？
我将继续列出我的清单。
李雅；王艳平，又名伊薇特；杨平
刘，李毅成。
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法庭：王银阳，又名艾拉。
张永兵，扎卡里·埃夫廷。叶兆英。杜正桥
你们当中有人认识这些人吗？或者有你或你的
家人或亲密朋友有任何直接交易或
与其中任何人间接交往？
本案中的证人可能包括一个或多个
所谓的共犯或合作证人
承认参与与以下内容有关的犯罪的人
起诉书以及其他罪行。有什么吗
关于合作证人可能在这方面作证的事实
这会妨碍你保持公平和公正的态度
陪审员？
我现在要读潜在企业的名称或者
审判期间可能提及的实体。ACA 资本。
阿玛尼诺。普林斯顿银行。Bitgo。布里奥尼。达拉斯
兰博基尼。东方利润。法拉利比佛利山庄。自由
媒体风险投资。G 银行。G 俱乐部。G 硬币。G Fashion。G
购物中心。G 媒体。G 音乐。还有 G 新闻。还有盖特，
金泉和格林威治土地。你们当中有人知道或有吗
你的任何家庭成员或亲密朋友有过任何往来
直接还是间接地与这些实体合作？
先生，你的号码是多少？
陪审员：78，法官大人。
法庭：78？那是什么呢？
陪审员：哪个实体？
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法院：是的。
陪审员：普林斯顿银行。
法院：你和银行的关系如何
普林斯顿？
陪审员：我在另一家银行工作，但有
两家银行之间的参与贷款。
法庭：你在一家银行工作，有时在那里工作
是参与贷款——
陪审员：嗯，两者之间有一笔参与贷款
两家银行。我不知道有任何其他关系，但是
有一笔我一直在合作的特别贷款
普林斯顿银行。
法庭：所以在工作过程中你要打交道
有许多不同的实体；对吗？
陪审员：是的，是的。我在另一家银行工作，而且
这是普林斯顿银行的参与贷款。
法庭：事实是你可能有生意
与普林斯顿银行的关系，会不会如此
如果银行，则阻止你成为公平和公正的陪审员
这次审判中提到了普林斯顿大学？
陪审员：没有。不，法官大人。
法庭：你认为你能完全做到吗
如果普林斯顿银行上线，是否公正？
陪审员：是的，法官大人。
法庭：你认为自己可能有偏见吗
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青睐普林斯顿银行，因为你的生意很好
与普林斯顿银行做生意？
陪审员：不，法官大人。
法院：你会对英国央行有偏见吗
普林斯顿就是因为那个？
陪审员：不，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。你可以坐下。
还有其他人吗？
你们当中有人认识或有家庭成员或亲密关系吗
朋友与任何人有任何直接或间接的往来
这些实体：GTV；喜币；汉密尔顿投资；海曼
资本；HCHK物业管理；HCHK科技；喜马拉雅
交易所；喜马拉雅农场联盟；HR Owen；Hudson Diamond；
Jovial Century；Jumio；Maywind；mbaer 银行；商业银行；
香料之山；中国新联邦州（NFSC）；NexBank；
OSC（轨道服务公司）？有人认识或有家人吗
与他们有过交往的成员或密友
实体，直接还是间接？
我将继续列出我的清单。
Passione Rossa。Phaxis。Post Oak 汽车公司
Promemoria。RH Southeby's。法治基金会。的规则
律师协会。战略愿景。金牛座管理。的声音
Guo。善良之声。有人认识或有任何家庭成员
或者与之有过直接或间接交易的朋友
这些实体中的任何一个？
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本案中的事件发生在18点左右
曼哈顿东 64 街；西城后海北延 19 号
中华人民共和国北京市；20 南湾
香港浅水湾道；曼哈顿哥伦布广场 3 号；
康涅狄格州格林威治的塔科尼克路 373 号；克罗克大厦
位于新泽西州马瓦的拉马波谷路 675 号；Pangu 7 Star
酒店在北京，朝阳，北京，100101 在人民广场
中华民国；以及位于第五的雪莉-荷兰酒店
大道，1801号公寓，纽约，纽约。任何熟悉的人
有这些地点吗？
你们当中有人认识或有你或你的人吗
亲戚或密友有任何关联或生意
与美国任何工作人员打交道
纽约南区检察官办公室，
联邦调查局、证券交易所
委员会（或SEC），还是国土安全部？
你是家庭成员吗？对不起。哦。什么是
你的电话号码？
陪审员：89。
法庭：那你的交易怎么样了？
陪审员：哦，只有一些前美国证券交易委员会成员
我每天直接与之共事的员工。我不知道
知道这是否重要。
法庭：好吧。你可以坐下。
陪审员：谢谢。
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法庭：你、家人或密友有没有
曾受雇于任何联邦、州或地方法律
执法机构还是司法系统？哦，有一个
那边还有一个人。请问你的号码是多少？
陪审员：是的，法官大人。98。已故的比尔·保利，
六年前，比尔·保利法官与我结婚。
法庭：他主持了你的婚礼。
陪审员：正确。
法庭：好吧。谢谢。
陪审员：75，法官大人。曾受雇于美国
弗吉尼亚西区检察官办公室原来是
但是在法学院里，所以我没有工作，但我正在接受审判
实践认证。
法庭：好吧。谢谢。
陪审员：我是 11 号。我姐姐在联邦工作
政府。
法庭：你的助手？
陪审员：我的妹妹。
法庭：你姐姐。
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那她是做什么的？
陪审员：她是卫生部的 ALJ
法官大人，人类服务。
法庭：那她的工作有什么好处吗
会阻止你在这方面成为公平和公正的陪审员
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案例？
陪审员：不，法官大人。
法庭：考虑到你姐姐有工作
联邦政府，那会不会让你站在一边
在这种情况下，政府？
陪审员：不，法官大人。
法庭：这会不会让你对它有偏见
政府？
陪审员：不，法官大人。
法庭：这会让你站在一边吗
防御？
陪审员：不，法官大人。
法庭：这会不会让你对它有偏见
防御？
陪审员：不，法官大人。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：不，法官大人。
法庭：还有其他人吗？你的号码是多少？
陪审员：95。我的弟弟是美国的检察官
长岛。
法院：在该州？
陪审员：在 —— 我想他在米尼奥拉。我不这么认为
是状态。我对那个不太确定。
法庭：你的关系有什么关系吗
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你的兄弟或他的工作会妨碍你成为
本案的陪审员是公平公正的？
陪审员：不是真的。
法庭：因为你的兄弟是检察官，
这会导致你在本案中站在检方一边吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你会反对起诉吗？
陪审员：不，法官大人。
法庭：你会对辩方有偏见吗？
陪审员：不，法官大人。
法庭：你会为辩方辩护吗？
陪审员：不，法官大人。
法庭：任何会阻碍你出庭的东西
本案的陪审员是公平公正的？
陪审员：不，法官大人。
法庭：还有其他人吗？
陪审员：我女儿曾经在纽约市工作
调查部，特别是纽约调查部
警察局，但她现在在另一个部门工作
城市部门。
法庭：那么你的女儿是律师吗？
陪审员：没有。好吧，她为纽约市做分析
部门——
法庭：还有你的电话号码，先生？
陪审员：第 4 号。
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法庭：好吧。那你有什么关于你的吗
女儿在任何一个部门工作，这会阻止
你是不是在这个案子里是个公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法院：考虑到她为法院工作
政府，那会让你站在政府一边吗
这个案子？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你会反对政府吗？
陪审员：没有。我会公平的。
法庭：你会很公平的。好吧。我在问你，
你会对政府有偏见吗？
陪审员：不，不是。
法院：你会有偏见吗
防御？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你会对辩方有偏见吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：任何会阻碍你出庭的东西
一个公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：还有人吗？
陪审员：是的。
法院：请问你的电话号码。
陪审员：第 15 号。我姐姐在美国工作
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国务院。
法庭：好吧。所以考虑到她为之工作
联邦政府，有关于她的工作或者你的工作吗
和她的关系会妨碍你成为一个公平的人
还有这个案子中不偏不倚的陪审员？
陪审员：不，法官大人。
法院：你会支持政府吗，因为
你姐姐在政府工作？
陪审员：不，法官大人。
法庭：你会反对政府吗？
陪审员：不，法官大人。
法庭：你会对辩方有偏见吗？
陪审员：没有。
法院：有利于辩方的偏见？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：任何会阻碍你出庭的东西
一个公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：不，法官大人。
法院：请问你的电话号码。
陪审员：第 60 号，法官大人。我父亲是一个
纽约警察局的辅助警官。
法院：好吧。有什么关于他的吗
这份工作会妨碍你成为公平和公正的人
这个案子是陪审员？
陪审员：我相信这可能会使我偏向一边
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警察局，如果是这个问题的话，女士。
法庭：那么你会同意我的看法吗
职业，有些人有能力而且有
诚信还有那些不称职的人
在每个职业中都缺乏诚信？
陪审员：这取决于我们要描述什么
职业。
法庭：每份工作。有些人在做他们的
有能力和诚信地工作，还有那些
不要。
陪审员：有些工作本质上是糟糕的，或者
在我看来，这是不道德的。
法庭：所以让我们坚持成为一名球员
辅助警官。你认为那是一份工作吗
这可以说是对以下方面的积极贡献
社会？
陪审员：是的，法官大人。
法庭：但是你会同意有一些吗
谁扮演那个可能不擅长的角色？
陪审员：是的，法官大人。
法庭：可能有些人缺乏诚信
当他们履行职责时；对吗？
陪审员：是的，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。所以知道有好处
苹果和坏苹果，你会偏向于制定法律吗
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谁在证人席上的执法人员？
陪审员：我认为多数是好的，
所以这似乎是一种偏见。
法庭：所以你是说你会制定任何法律
执法证人怀疑是有利的。
陪审员：是的，女士。
法庭：好吧。你可以坐下。
还有谁？
陪审员：陪审员 69。我女儿目前在
康涅狄格州法院系统担任法庭记者、记录员。
法庭：她是速记员？
陪审员：不，录音机。所以她有电子手段而且
她参与审判、记录和抄录。
法院：就像这非常有能力一样
个人在做？
陪审员：也许吧。它看起来很相似。
法庭：好吧。好吧。有什么有关系的吗
她的工作会妨碍你成为一个公平和公正的人
这个案子是陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：而且它不会干扰你
有能力以开放的心态进入法庭？
陪审员：不，不是。
法庭：那好吧。你可以坐下。
您或任何家庭成员是否单独或在
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业务过程，曾经是任何法律诉讼的当事方或
与美国或任何办公室、部门的争议，
美国的机构或员工，或者有任何
对任何此类法律诉讼或争议或其结果感兴趣？
你的电话号码，先生？
陪审员：陪审员 76。我做报税。我经常
与国税局作战。
法院：你可以区分国税局和
政府的其他部门，对吧？
陪审员：当然。
法庭：好吧。还有其他人吗？
有没有人有任何偏见、偏见或其他强烈的偏见
支持或反对美国司法部的感情，
美国检察官办公室还是任何执法机构？
你们当中有人读过、听过或看过任何内容吗
报纸、互联网或电视上都有关于这个案子的报道？还有我
向尚未回答的人解答这个问题
这个问题。在回答这个问题时，我不想要你
披露你可能听到的内容。
陪审员：好吧。陪审员 89.我读过一些互联网
有关此案的文章。
法庭：好吧。你可以坐下。
陪审员：我不会这么说——法官大人，78 号陪审员。
我不会说我真的有 —— 看了细节
案例，但是刚站在外面，我就听说过关于
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扩音器上的手机壳，声音很大。我对此一无所知
在今天早上之前，法官大人
法庭：当你说站在外面时，你会怎么做
这个意思？
陪审员：有了扩音器，就是
某件事——可以将这个和另一个案例相提并论的东西。
法庭：你是说你退出了
法院你听到什么了吗
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。而且不说你在说什么
听见——
陪审员：是的。
法院：——这对你有影响吗
在本案中成为公平公正的陪审员的能力？
陪审员：不，法官大人。
法庭：所以在美国你明白这一点
各州我们有言论自由。
陪审员：是的，法官大人。
法院：我们可以称赞或批评个人
在公共场合，对吧？
陪审员：是的，法官大人。
法院：没错。因此，鉴于如此珍贵
自由，这并不意味着有人说的是
一定会影响你；对吗？
陪审员：是的，法官大人。
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法院：没错。
好吧。还有谁？
这项审判可能会引起媒体的关注。将
你们每个人都应该听从我的指示
避免阅读、观看或收听媒体报道
关于该案的报道，包括对该案的社会报道
媒体，例如Facebook、Twitter、博客等，直到之后
案子结束了？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：有人听不懂吗
指令？
你们每个人都能听从我的指示吗
在... 之前，不要研究或与其他人讨论此案
案子结束了？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：有人不听从吗
指令？
正如我提到的，在审判期间你会听到
有关涉嫌敲诈勒索的证据，据称
涉及电汇欺诈、证券欺诈的敲诈阴谋，
银行欺诈和洗钱。其本质会不会如此
指控会影响你做出公平裁决的能力？
你或你身边的任何人是否参与过任何事情
涉及美国证券交易所的诉讼
佣金？
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你或与你关系密切的人申请破产了吗
还是参与了破产程序？
陪审员：陪审员 79。我的女朋友正在重组
律师。
法庭：你有没有说过你的女朋友是
重组律师？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：所以你的女朋友参与了
协助需要重组债务的客户；是吗
正确？
陪审员：正确。
法庭：那会对你产生影响吗
在本案中成为公平公正的陪审员的能力？
陪审员：不，法官大人。
法庭：还有人吗？
你或身边的人对你有强烈的看法吗
中国政府还是中国共产党？
陪审员：是的，法官大人。有很多消息
关于他们对他们的待遇——我相信是维吾尔人。
此外，台湾的政治局势非常令人担忧
对于将来，因为香港的情况只有几年
以前。
法庭：律师，请你加紧努力。
（在侧边栏上）
法庭：所以我怀疑任何数量的人都可能
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对中国政府或中国共产党有强烈的感情。
你想让我追问哪条线索？
芬克尔先生：法官大人，我们会问一下人们有没有有
强烈的感情，如果他们愿意的话——我想会是
适合在侧边栏处理那些感受，因为有
可能是各种各样的事情，可能与
审判或与审判无关。那将是政府的
观点。
法院：那么这个人，举个例子，什么
你想让我问他吗？他说他不满意
台湾，他对维吾尔人不满意。还有什么？
芬克尔先生：我认为这个人应该被打死
这是有原因的，因为他偏向执法。
法院：是的，我们已经知道了。但是可能有
成为一个能说出相似话的人
中国人。
芬克尔先生：我认为应该对此进行探讨而且我认为
应该问问他能不能听见什么
放下心来这样他就可以专注于证据或者
由于缺乏本次审判中提出的证据，
根据他所见所闻作出公平和公正的裁决
此试用版，并按照您的指示进行操作。
SHROFF 女士：法官大人，我想每个政府
我听过的总结是，用你的常识，不要
把它放在门口。他的常识将包括坏事
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中国共产党的行为，所以我认为这有点像
这里的紧张平衡要求别人置之不理——所以也许吧，
在那个人面前——实际上，我认为他是唯一可能的人
已经举手了，所以——
法庭：我不会提起他因为
我们已经决定了——
SHROFF 女士：我不知道还有其他人吗。
法庭：我想可能还有另一个人。
SHROFF 女士：哦，可能有？
法庭：我只是想了解它是什么
那是你想让我说的。
KAMARAJU 先生：就我个人而言，不管怎样，我只想问一下
他们对中国党的感受，你能不能公平点而且
在这种情况下是公正的，就像你问任何问题一样
其他——
芬克尔先生：法官大人，政府关心的是
我想他们的那部分辩护是郭先生在战斗
反对中国共产党，如果陪审员不能
根据本案的事实做出决定，然后决定这是否是
一个正在与中国共产党作战的人
派对，他们会同情他的，那意味着
一个不公平和不偏不倚的人。就是这样
政府担心的是。
KAMARAJU 先生：我想法官大人可以通过以下方式解决这个问题
问，你能不能公平公正。
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法庭：我不会提起辩护的。
KAMARAJU 先生：不，当然不是，法官大人。我会的
简单地说：不管你对中国人有什么感受
共产党，你能不能公平公正地对待你的
本案的判决？仅此而已。
书记员：法官，还有其他人想要
来谈谈审判的持续时间。他只是错过了
问题。
法庭：好吧。所以如果你能让他上来。
书记员：我想也是法官，第 60 号陪审员
他已经被击中了
（陪审员出现在侧边栏）
法庭：先生，你的电话号码是多少？
陪审员：73。
法庭：你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：现在我没去 —— 我之前没上过这里
关于时长问题所以我想听听什么，你知道的，
案子是这样的，但现在我想是这样
这将是一个漫长的试用期我是 A——我在财务部门工作
哥伦比亚大学，这是本财政年度的结束
我积极参与了闭幕活动。如果是试用——
法院：闭幕了什么？
陪审员：账簿，会计账簿。因此，如果审判
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每天都会如此，这会影响我。
法庭：但是当你离开工作岗位时
哥伦比亚，你还能领取百分之百的工资，
你不是吗？
陪审员：我愿意。
法庭：如果你今天被卡车撞了，
他们会找其他有你技能的人来填补你的
位置；不是吗？
陪审员：没错。
法庭：好吧。这样你就可以缺勤了。
陪审员：好吧。但我要说的是我做对的
现在，在这种情况下，除了我之外没有人这样做。
法院：对。但这并不意味着有人
其他——
陪审员：我知道。没有人是不可或缺的。
法院：是的。
陪审员：是的。我只是说我的担忧。
法庭：我知道你在说这可能
成为你的专长。
陪审员：是的。
法庭：我敢打赌哥伦比亚大学的表现非常出色
资源，它可以识别其他可能不这样的人
尽管你很好但是谁能与你的技能相提并论
人才。
好吧。你可以退后一步。
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（陪审员不在场）
法庭：我不会为他辩解的。
法律书记员：60 日，关于律师事务的谈话
警官在那边站着的时候我也在那里
我想我们在侧边栏进行了交谈。
法庭：所以是 60 号，那个正在说话的年轻人
关于他父亲是一名辅助警官，我们同意吗
他应该被打死是有原因的？
芬克尔先生：是的，法官大人。
KAMARAJU 先生：是的，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。
（在公开法庭上）
法庭：还有其他人回应吗
最后一个问题？好吧。
陪审员：81 号陪审员，法官大人。
法院：那是什么数字？
陪审员：陪审员 81。
法院：是的。来吧。
陪审员：我是预备役军人，而且
他们一直在告诉我们与中国的潜在冲突，
但差不多——
法庭：好吧。所以我想他们必须告诉我
我们需要为处理任意数量的事情做好准备
不同的国家；那不是吗？
陪审员：是的。
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法庭：好吧。所以事实是，他们可能有
提到了中国，那会不会妨碍你成为一个公平的人
本案中不偏不倚的陪审员？
陪审员：不，法官大人。
法庭：你有什么特别强的吗
对中国的感受？
陪审员：不，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。你可以坐下。
你可能会听到关于或来自前高管的证词
特朗普政府成员，包括史蒂夫·班农和
彼得·纳瓦罗。你对顾问有什么强烈的看法吗
前总统唐纳德·特朗普，包括史蒂夫·班农和彼得
纳瓦罗，那会妨碍你成为一个公平和公正的人
这个案子是陪审员？
好吧。请加紧努力。
（在侧边栏上；陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：11，法官大人。
法庭：你想告诉我什么？
陪审员：说实话，我不信任他们。我不知道
相信史蒂夫·班农。那些是我的——
法庭：所以——
陪审员：就我在新闻中读到的内容而言。
法庭：所以新闻里可能有这样的消息
一个与你有关的人，但我们没有考虑
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一般来说是个人。这仅与本案有关。
因此，陪审员要做的就是以开放的心态进来
并听取该案的证据，倾听
证人，查看文件，听从我的指示
法律——
陪审员：是的，法官大人。
法庭：——而且不要关心事情
他们在法庭外听说过
陪审员：是的，法官大人。
法庭：你能做到公平点吗
公正的陪审员？
陪审员：法官大人，我不这么认为
诚实。
法院：为什么不呢？
陪审员：我刚才关注了很多新闻
在过去的四年里，他的信仰不是我的信念，
法官大人，这几乎就是我的感受。
法庭：我知道也许他的政治是
和你自己不一样。
陪审员：是的，法官大人。
法庭：但问题是：你能知道吗
你不同意他的看法——你可以不同意一个人的看法，
对吧？我敢肯定你有家人或朋友在哪里
你强烈不同意他们的看法。
陪审员：是的，法官大人。
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法庭：但这是否会让你无法公平
而且对他们不偏不倚？
陪审员：不，法官大人。我明白这个问题。
法院：你可以在这方面保持公平和公正
案例？
陪审员：是的，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
KAMARAJU 先生：法官大人，她显然在挣扎
有了这个答案。她起初说不。显然是你的法官大人
提出了家庭成员的比喻，这给她带来了好处
在身边，但从我的角度来看，她说得很清楚
她对即将出现的史蒂夫·班农的感受
与这里的企业有关的审判，她不相信
他，她认为他不诚实，所以我认为没有
不管怎样都不该为她找借口
SHROFF 女士：另外，法官大人，事实模式是
据说，这样史蒂夫·班农就站稳了脚跟
郭先生旁边的政府证词使政治化
公告。如果她真的说，我根本不相信
班农，她显然会去 —— 显而易见的背景是，是
正是在她不信任他和她的背景下
话是：“老实说，法官大人，我不这么认为。”她
之所以出现是因为联系到一位家庭成员，他
无论你是否不同意，你都必须喜欢。家庭，
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你被困住了。
法院：那么你在什么背景下明白了
如果你觉得舒服的话，班农先生会过来的
我那个？
SHROFF 女士：我不知道。这是政府的
证据。他们可以——
法庭：我不知道。我不知道你是否
抚养他。我不知道。
SHROFF 女士：没有。政府会带他来
向上，不是我们。
法庭：关于班农先生，我所知道的唯一一件事是
郭先生说班农先生是在游艇上被捕的。有没有
不止于此？
芬克尔先生：是的，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。
芬克尔先生：还有不止于此。顺其自然
当然，政府的观点对法院来说是透明的
班农先生是这起案件的同谋者。问题在哪里
这是这位陪审员能否公平和公正。
正如辩护律师早些时候指出的那样，每个人都带来
他们对任何互动都有自己的常识和偏见
他们有。而重要的是，对法院来说是关键，你的
荣誉，就是当你问她时，你能不能公平公正，
你能把你所知道的放在法庭外面吗
你的思想和决定只以证人和
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你在本案中听到的证据，她说是的。所以如果他们
想把她当成专横的人，他们可以自由地这样做。
SHROFF 女士：事实并非如此。她说：“不，
老实说，法官大人，我不这么认为。”然后法院
进行了类比并询问了家庭结构。然后她放手了
出去——然后我在卡片上写下了深深的叹息，然后她停了下来。
因此，我认为这种描述不正确。
法庭：让我们把她带回来。
（陪审员在场）
法庭：我预计斯蒂芬·班农会出庭
在这种情况下，你表示不同意他的政治观点
观点。
陪审员：是的，法官大人。
法庭：知道他会出庭受审，
你能不能把对他的负面看法放在一边——我明白
你有它们，但把它们放在一边，公平点而且
本案中不偏不倚的陪审员？
陪审员：是的，法官大人。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
KAMARAJU 先生：法官大人，我们再次表示反对。
SCHIRICK 先生：只是因为我最近去过
正在审查政府的一些证物，其中之一
政府的摘要显示了他们计划引入的内容
对于一位早期的证人来说，早期的目击者非常突出
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史蒂夫·班农在视频中与他有联系的演讲
郭先生和法治基金会。所以就在前面
我们必须在班农先生所在的地方面对这个问题
主要是代表被告说话。
法庭：好吧。你能不能回头给我读一读
问题和她的答案。
（读取记录）
法庭：好吧。我相信我有
对她进行了康复所以我不会因为以下原因解雇她
原因。
SHROFF 女士：法官大人，斯蒂芬·班农不只是
会出现的。她将要成为的证据
收到的是郭文贵和史蒂芬·班农共同提出的
推动一场政治运动，对吧，她说过
对此不信任。因此，法院至少能问她吗？
如果有证据表明被告和班农先生有关
她还会对被告保持公平和公正的态度吗，
她在审判他的时候？史蒂夫·班农不是逐字逐句说的
是 —— 问题出现的方式是，史蒂夫·班农的名字会
上来。当然，他的名字可能会出现。那我们就没有
这个论点。但是他的立场非常紧密。有很多
这里有关于史蒂夫·班农的证词。
法庭：我让她假设他是
参与了这个案子。我就是这么说的。而且我是
承认她对斯蒂芬·班农的印象不好，
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而且她说过她还是可以公平的。我不会去
因故解雇她。
我们能不能有下一个人。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：16。
法庭：请还有你的名字。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我想我会觉得很难做到
鉴于可能有特朗普政府，因此不偏不倚
参与此案的个人。
法院：所以你觉得自己对或有偏见
针对与唐纳德·特朗普有关联的人？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：所以如果我告诉你有
与该案有关联的个人
既然唐纳德·特朗普现在知道了这一点，你能不能搁置一边
不管你的感受如何，无论好坏，你能不能把它们放在一边
并以开放的心态走上法庭，倾听
案件证据，听取证人的证词，审查
书面证据，听从我的法律指示，然后
一个公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：我可以。我只是不知道自己会这样做
相信他们说的是真的。所以尽管我可以
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听你的指示，试着听从他们，我不知道
我知道我会觉得我能相信他们的证词
本质上是真实的，只是——
法庭：所以我明白你说你有
对与唐纳德·特朗普有关的人有偏见；是吗
正确？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：好吧。我想她应该是
因故被解雇。
KAMARAJU 先生：谢谢你，法官大人。
法院：第 16 号，对吗？
SHROFF 女士：是的，法官大人。
法庭：那好吧。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：第 15 号。
法院：是的。
陪审员：15。
法庭：请还有你的名字。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法庭：你姓什么？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
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陪审员：我不确定我能否相信他的证词
史蒂夫·班农。
法庭：所以我并不是说他一定会
在这起案件中作证。我的意思是他会
上来。他是一个参与其中的人。听起来也是
我，当你说你不能信任他的时候，你有
对他的负面看法。
陪审员：我认为他是个邪恶的人。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：对不起。
法院：那是因为政治观点吗
他表达了什么？
陪审员：没有。更像是作为一个女人。我刚刚找到他
卑鄙一点。
法庭：好吧。我知道你是负面的，
对他有强烈的负面情绪。
陪审员：感谢你承认这一点。
法庭：但问题是，你知道吗
你有这些感觉，把它们放在一边然后进入
开诚布公的法庭，听取证人的证词，
查看书面证据，按照我的指示
法律，并成为一个公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：是的，我确实认为我能做到。
法院：太棒了。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
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（陪审员不在场）
KAMARAJU 先生：我们要反对。我明白
她的回答，但为了让我记录下来，她提到
史蒂夫·班农是个 “邪恶的人”。史蒂夫·班农是
GTV的知名董事长他参与了法治工作
基金会。他正在和郭先生一起看视频。他会成为
到处都是。而且要有一个把他看作是的陪审员
用她的名词，一个 “邪恶的人”，不管她怎么回答——
法庭：如果她这么说你会有同样的感觉吗
他是一个神圣的人？
KAMARAJU 先生：嗯，显然我会拿一个
不同的视角，但我认为他们会反对，你的
荣誉，在同样的基础上。
法院：但是个人可以意识到
他们的感情，无论是好是坏，还是把他们放在一边。她有
说她可以把它们放在一边。我不相信她应该
因故被解雇。
SHROFF 女士：法官大人，也许你可以问一个
澄清她能否审判郭先生的问题
如果她听到郭先生和班农先生的证词是公平的
一起做生意？这就是我要问的问题。
因为政府的证据会表明他们是伸出援手
政府将声称，一次手握数月
郭先生给班农先生买了房子，政府要走了
从字面上看，声称他是同谋。因此，如果
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卑鄙的人与你息息相关，你是一个
女人——而且，你知道，作为一个女人，我有自己的问题
班农先生，但我只是说，并不是说班农的名字是
会出现。班农和郭先生会是这样
由政府联系起来。所以政府的证据是
他们在一起做生意。那你能成为
对郭先生公平吗？这就是问题所在。它不是外围设备
班农先生的露面。所以如果是唐纳德·特朗普，是的，
那是外围造型因为班农——我的意思是，郭先生
而且唐纳德·特朗普不会一起站在游艇上宣布
法治基金会或做其他任何事情。他们是
其实——证据是，他们在一起了。
芬克尔先生：法官大人，关键事实
法院问，与那位潜在陪审员的互动是
她，尽管你以前有意见，但你能否公平公正
关于班农先生。她坚定地说 “是”。仅此而已
事情。这才是最重要的。
KAMARAJU 先生：不，法官大人。
SHROFF 女士：实际上，这并不重要。
法庭：我想把她带回来。
（陪审员在场）
陪审员：你好。
法庭：之前，你使用了 “邪恶” 一词而且
对班农先生的描述是 “卑鄙的”。
陪审员：是的。
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法庭：然后我问你能不能设置
抛开你的负面情绪然后带着一个上场
敞开心胸听取本案的证据然后关注我
有法律指示，要公平公正。你
回答是。
陪审员：如果他不在证人席上。我说过
在那之前我不知道我能否相信他的话。
法院：对。好吧。所以让我们假设他是
不会出现在证人席上但会有一个
指控他与... 有业务关系
被告。你能不能把你的负面情绪放在一边
班农先生然后带着开放的心态来到法庭然后
听听案件的证据，听从我的指示
明白这一点，做一个公平公正的陪审员
是指控吗？
陪审员：他有生意要和他打交道
被告。
法院：正确。
陪审员：是的。
法院：非常好。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
KAMARAJU 先生：我们创造了我们的记录。我们要去
再次提出我们的异议。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：请问你的电话号码。
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陪审员：40。
法庭：还有你的名字。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：问题是，我有问题吗
史蒂夫·班农还是前特朗普官员？
法院：是的。
陪审员：是的，我很难相信
史蒂夫·班农说什么。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
SHROFF 女士：我们不是已经放过她了吗？
法庭：是的，我们做到了。
（下一位陪审员在场）
陪审员：法官大人，我是 47 号陪审员。
法院：是的。
陪审员：我只有 —— 反对特朗普的政治观点
反对特朗普和史蒂夫·班农，我想我不会
在这种情况下可以是局部的。
法庭：好吧。感谢你挺身而出。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：我们已经为他原谅了。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：你的电话号码是多少？
陪审员：52。
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法庭：你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法庭：请问问题是什么？
陪审员：当你提到特朗普时，问题就更多了，
它只会触发反应。凭良心我没法说
提及史蒂夫我不会有偏见
班农。我想我会的，但我——我不能。
法庭：我很感激你的坦率。你可以走
返回。
（陪审员不在场）
SHROFF 女士：他已经被击中了，对吧？
法庭：是的，他是。
SHROFF 女士：谢谢。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：88。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法庭：那你想告诉我什么？
陪审员：我现在对郭先生的了解只是
他给了史蒂夫·班农一艘可以住两年的游艇，而我
我想那是 —— 我认为这是准确的。而且我真的不会
可以相信班农先生说的任何话。
法庭：所以如果我告诉你班农先生不是
将成为本案的证人但检方称
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班农先生和被告有业务关系——
陪审员：是的。
法庭：——你能不能把那种感情置之不理
你是根据你在法庭外听到的话改编的？
你能不能把那些感情放在一边，一起上法庭
开放的心态，听取案件的证据，听取案情
证人证词，查看书面证据，关注我
法律指示，做一个公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：我会尽力而为。
法庭：嗯，我需要一个 “是” 或 “否” 的答案。
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
KAMARAJU 先生：法官大人，我们要反对
他被击中不是有原因的他说的是他做不到
信任——他无法相信史蒂夫·班农所说的话。这个
政府的指控将涉及史蒂夫的事情
班农说，他们声称这是错误的。陪审员说的是
他什么都不信任，他对此一无所知
证据，但是陪审员这么说——
法庭：好吧。让我们把他带回来。
（陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。我相信你是这么说的
如果史蒂夫·班农是一个，你就无法信任他
证人；对吗？
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陪审员：正确。正确。
法庭：好吧。所以我预计政府是
将发表班农先生在此期间发表的声明
案例，所以我要问你的问题是，你还能放在一边吗
你对班农先生的这些负面情绪以及
知道他的陈述可能是这次审判的一部分，你能不能
开诚布公地走进法庭倾听
案件中的证据，听听证人的话，关注我
法律指示，做一个公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：是的。
法院：非常好。退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：第 60 号。
法庭：好吧。来吧。
陪审员：如果涉及史蒂夫·班农的证词，我
我简直不敢相信班农所说的一句话。我不能 —— 我想他是
作弊和骗子。他和科恩、弗林和特朗普本人以及
其余的都很卑劣，所以——
法院：谢谢你的诚实。你可以走
返回。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：他已经被原谅了。
芬克尔先生：是的。他真的在努力所以
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硬。
（下一位陪审员在场）
陪审员：89。
法庭：请还有你的名字。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：是的。来吧。
陪审员：说实话。已经有一分钟了。这个
问题是史蒂夫·班农会成为证人，
可能吗？
法庭：不是说他会成为证人，而是说他
参与此案。有人指控他有
与被告的业务关系。
陪审员：好吧。所以我的政治倾向不是
特别是 —— 过去八年里发生了什么
会让我对史蒂夫·班农产生偏见。我不知道
知道这将如何影响我对他证词的看法。我会的
尽量保持公正，但我不能保证。
法庭：谢谢你的坦率。你可以走
返回。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：她已经被原谅了。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：你好。请问你的电话号码。
陪审员：42。
法庭：还有你的名字。
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陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法庭：来吧。
陪审员：所以考虑到我对其中一个的先入之见
你提到的人，我会过得很艰难。
法院：哪个人？
陪审员：史蒂夫·班农。
法庭：所以你有强烈的感情
班农先生？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你没必要告诉我他们是否是
有利或不利。
陪审员：对。
法庭：但我预计检方会指控
他与被告有商业关系。而且
知道了，你能不能把自己的感受放在一边
向他走来，敞开心胸地走上法庭，听着
查看证人的证词，审查书面证据，
听从我的法律指示，做一个公平和公正的人
陪审员？
陪审员：说实话，不是。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：你好。请问你的电话号码是多少？
陪审员：46。
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法庭：还有你的名字。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：还有姓氏？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法庭：好吧。那你想告诉我什么？
陪审员：关于史蒂夫·班农的偏见，对吧？
法院：是的。
陪审员：我不会相信他会说什么
发誓如果他是证人
法庭：所以他不会当证人。
陪审员：好吧。
法院：我预计政府会
声称他与被告有商业关系。
陪审员：好吧。
法庭：所以你说你不能信任
他。本质上你是在表达负面情绪
他。但问题是，你能不能放在一边，你能不能推开
那些负面情绪然后带着一个人走上法庭
敞开心胸听取证人的证词，复习证词
书面证据，听从我的法律指示，然后
一个公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：我会凭自己的感受、偏见来想
老实说，可能会更重一点。
法院：明白了。明白了。告诉我你的
再来一次。
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陪审员：46。
法院：非常感谢。
陪审员：好吧。谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：因此，我将有理由驳回46人。
芬克尔先生：没有异议。
（下一位陪审员在场）
陪审员：75，法官大人。XXXXXXXXXX。我会很艰难的
时间，考虑到这两个人中的任何一个的信誉
提到。
法庭：好吧。明白了。你可以走
返回。
陪审员：好吧。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：他已经去过了——
芬克尔先生：是的。
KAMARAJU 先生：是的。
法院：是的。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：陪审员 94。
法庭：还有你的名字。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我不相信自己能成为一个公平的人 —— 听着
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班农的证词。
法庭：所以我没想到班农先生会这样
作证。
陪审员：好吧。
法院：我预计政府会
说他与被告有商业关系。
那么，你能不能把自己的感受放在一边
到目前为止一直是关于班农先生的，你能不能把它们放在一边
并以开放的心态走上法庭，倾听
证人证词，查看书面证据，关注我
法律指示，做一个公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：我会尽力而为。
法庭：所以我需要一个 “是” 或 “否” 的答案。
陪审员：没有。
法庭：好吧。谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：那是什么数字？
SHROFF 女士：94。
法院：94。所以我会原谅她的。
（下一位陪审员在场）
陪审员：95。
法庭：稍等片刻，先生。稍等片刻。
陪审员：好吧。
法庭：好吧，先生。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：95。
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法庭：又是你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以这是 —— 这是特朗普的问题
管理。所以我相信，尽管有种种错误的信息，但他们
将国家分裂到极端。而且我相信你
特别提到了史蒂夫·班农。我记得他上线了
电视里有特朗普、前特朗普、唐纳德·特朗普有
与史蒂夫·班农的个人、身体接触，以及
否定——鉴于我对特朗普的负面看法，那是我的
对此有感觉。
法庭：你是说你的评分是否定的
对特朗普顾问的感受？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：所以问题是，好吧，首先，我
不要指望班农先生会成为该案的证人。但我确实如此
预计检方会指控他有生意
与郭先生的关系。所以问题是，你能不能说
抛开你已经形成和出现的这些负面情绪
以开放的心态进入法庭，听取证人的意见
作证，查看书面证据，然后关注我
关于法律的指示并成为一个公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：我一定会试一试的，但问题是
是，我不能把他看作一个诚实的人，因为他肯定是
确实为唐纳德·特朗普做出了很大贡献——前大选
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特朗普总统唐纳德·特朗普。我的意思是，我不知道
他是否是 A——我不知道。但是如果他作为一个人在这里
证人，如果我能听见他的话，我无法百分之百地给出
我完全信任的信心。
法庭：所以他不会作为证人出庭。
陪审员：好吧，好吧，好吧。
法院：指控是郭先生有
与他的商业往来。
陪审员：好吧。
法庭：因此，他将被提及。
陪审员：好吧。
法庭：问题在于你能否提出
抛开你对他的负面情绪
现在是法庭
陪审员：好吧。
法庭：而且你可以知道你有这些
负面情绪，但把它们推到一边然后进入
开诚布公的法庭，听取证人的证词，
审查书面证据，保持公平和公正
陪审员。
陪审员：我一定会尝试的。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：他的号码是什么？
芬克尔先生：95。
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陪审员：我有理由要解雇他。
（下一位陪审员在场）
法院：第 98 号？你的名字，女士。
陪审员：是的，我叫 XXXXXXXXX。
法庭：来吧。
陪审员：我发现上届政府的意识
另类事实是重大威胁的根源
美国民主；我觉得班农先生同样令人反感
你能找到的人类；我认为他是个骗子，那
他是个操纵大师，可能是个小偷；但我做不到
想象一下有什么证据能改变我的想法。
法庭：谢谢你的坦率。你可以走
返回。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）
（下一位陪审员在场）
陪审员：下午好。
法庭：你是 22 号？还有你的名字，先生。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法庭：好吧。那你想说什么？
陪审员：是的。我想我最关心的是史蒂夫
班农。我碰巧经常听新闻，我个人也是如此
不喜欢他在种族问题上的位置，他的观点
在像我这样的人身上。所以不管他要说什么，真的，我没有
真的能从他身上发现任何积极的消息。所以他——和
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考虑到这一点，他作为证人会 —— 我想会的 —— 会的
损害或影响我对他所说的话的判断。
法庭：因此，他不会作为证人出庭。
陪审员：好吧。
法院：政府声称班农先生有
与郭先生的业务关系。
陪审员：好吧。
法院：因此，会有以下人士发表声明
班农先生，但他不会出庭。
所以问题是，你能不能把这些负面因素放在一边
你已经对他有过的感受，你能说出来吗
顺便说一句，以开放的心态进入法庭，听一听
证人证词，查看书面证据，关注我
法律指示，做一个公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：这些是我要努力解决的问题
继续努力，但我会努力的
这里。我会努力解决这个问题。我无法给出明确的答案
或者不是，现在只是因为那些感觉。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：好吧。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：他已经 22 岁了？我会原谅他的
原因。
KAMARAJU 先生：法官大人，我们本来想问的
如果你想问一个关于陈述的具体问题
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作为政府向陪审员作证的一部分，来自班农先生
11 和 16。
法庭：如果你有 11 点就回来。
MURRAY 女士：16 人被击中。
KAMARAJU 先生：哦，16 被击中了？那么很明显——
SHROFF 女士：没有。不是。那你打错号码了。
KAMARAJU 先生：15，法官大人。我很抱歉。
SHROFF 女士：11 和 15，法官大人。对不起。
（下一页继续）
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芬克尔先生：政府对此没有异议
关于声明的另一个问题。我觉得真的
问题的核心是陪审员能否公平以及
不偏不倚或者他们是否会将其联系在一起因为
被告与他有商业关系，他们不能
要公平公正他们没法把它拒之门外
头脑。这才是真正的询问。
SHROFF 女士：这不只是一种业务关系。
政府会争辩说他们在游艇上
一次在一起好几天甚至几个星期；和他一起生活过
Bannon 和 Guo，他们在一起生活；Guo 给了他很多
钱；班农加入了他的政治运动。
我们不是在谈论一种业务关系，
你知道，去银行，我借了他一万美元但他没有
还我一万块钱有业务关系，而且
然后是 Guo 和 Bannon。那将来自
政府。他们会提出这个问题。
KAMARAJU 先生：具体而言，是特殊的
业务关系的一部分是以下业务
政府声称自己是敲诈企业的一部分，
所以 GTV，法治基金会。所以这不是
深奥的关系。
芬克尔先生：法官大人，真的是他们得到的
是陪审员是否 —— 这是一个公平的问题，是否
陪审员会将班农先生联系起来 —— 这仅仅是联想
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他们两个之间往往会让陪审员有一个
对被告有偏见，认定对被告不利。那是
确实是问题所在。如果答案是肯定的，我想
政府不会反对这样做。
法庭：好吧。我们会让她进来的。
（陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。我之前提到过
班农先生不会成为证人。但是政府
声称郭先生之间存在商业关系，
被告和班农先生
他们有这种关系的事实会不会发生
是因为你对郭先生有偏见吗？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你可以成为一名公平公正的陪审员
尽管如此？
陪审员：是的，法官大人。
法庭：请退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法庭：我要走得更远。
（陪审员在场）
法院：再问好。
陪审员：这太令人不安了。
法庭：对不起。对不起。
你又是号码了吗？
陪审员：15。
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法庭：好吧。所以我之前曾提到过
班农先生不会作证。
陪审员：好吧。
法院：据称被告，
郭先生和班农先生有业务关系。事实
政府会声称他们有生意
关系，那会导致你有偏见吗
郭先生，被告？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你能做到公平和公正吗？
陪审员：是的。
法院：好吧。请退一步。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：是这样吗？
法律书记员：是的，法官。
法庭：好吧。
（在公开法庭上）
法院：你对此有任何强烈的看法吗
加密货币会阻止你成为一个公平的人
公正的陪审员？
好吧。如果你愿意加紧努力。
（在侧边栏上）
（陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。
陪审员：你好。
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法庭：那你的电话号码是多少？
陪审员：99。
法庭：好吧。你想告诉我什么？
陪审员：嗯，我从来不在乎整个想法
加密货币因为我觉得他们以为自己是谁，
想改变美国的金本位制？于是它变成了
我滚开。我还以为那只是某种盗版，
人们，有点虚假。
法庭：好吧。谢谢你的坦率。
好吧。你可以回去。
（陪审员不在场）
法院：我们可以回去。
SHROFF 女士：好吧。谢谢。
法官大人，我们今天要直到 5 点吗
通过？
法庭：哦，是的，是的，是的。
SHROFF 女士：我只想知道你是否会
去洗手间休息一下。
法庭：除非有一人我不会休息的
这些潜在的陪审员问我。
SHROFF 女士：好吧。然后我就笑着忍受
它。
（在公开法庭上）
法院：你认为这些诉讼吗
正如我所描述的那样，他们不应在起诉书中被起诉
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是犯罪还是不应被政府起诉？
你是否以被告或受害者的身份参与其中，
作证，或以任何其他方式在任何欺诈起诉中或
洗钱？
被告被控与他人一起行动
犯下被指控的罪行。其他一些人
在本案中未受审。你不能得出任何推论，
有利或不利，对政府或
该事实的被告。你也可能不会猜测
其他人未受审的原因。
你们当中有人会遇到困难吗
指令？
你，家庭成员或密友，曾经去过吗
参与任何调查或作为证人出庭作证
联邦或州大陪审团或国会或州
立法委员会、许可机构或政府
机构？
你，家庭成员或密友，曾经去过吗
以任何方式受到联邦、州或地方法律的质疑
执法机构，包括联邦调查局？
请问你的电话号码？
陪审员：76。
法庭：好吧。那发生了什么？
陪审员：我大约 21 岁的时候想当联邦调查局特工
几岁了，我经历了整个过程。
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法庭：好吧。谢谢你告诉我。
还有人吗？你的电话号码？
陪审员：15。我有很多朋友和家人
为联邦政府工作。其中一两个，我是
作为安全检查的一部分，接受了联邦调查局的采访。
法庭：所以你本质上是参考人物
那些人？
陪审员：正确。
法庭：那段经历有什么意义吗
那会导致你对任何一个赞成或反对有偏见
在这种情况下是派对？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：还有其他人吗？
你，家庭成员或密友，曾经是
任何听证会或审判中的证人或申诉人，无论是
州、地方还是联邦？
陪审员：第 10 名。我做证人大概有 25 年了
以前。我曾在零售业工作处理过入店行窃案件，但那是
关于它。
法庭：那你在哪个法庭出庭？
陪审员：皇后区，皇后区法院。
法庭：那有什么有关系吗
在入店行窃案中作为证人的经历
阻止你在本案中成为公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
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法庭：你目睹了入店行窃吗？
陪审员：是的。
法院：那会让你偏向政府吗
在这种情况下？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你会对... 有偏见吗
政府？
陪审员：没有。
法院：这会让你对被告有利吗
案例？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你会对被告有偏见吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你是家庭成员还是密友，
在传票下，或者据你所知，即将被传唤
刑事案件？
你，家庭成员或密友，曾经去过吗
被控犯罪？
你，家庭成员或密友，曾经去过吗
任何集团的任何调查或指控的主体
陪审团，联邦还是州？如果你愿意加紧努力，拜托。
（在侧边栏上）
（陪审员在场）
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：16。
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法庭：那你想告诉我什么？
陪审员：我祖父被指控犯有欺诈罪而且
伴侣的袭击。然后他被短暂地关进了监狱。我不知道
我想是 —— 他曾经被指控过充满。但是他 —— 他是
因为她遭到殴打而被关进监狱然后她指控了他
的欺诈。我认为是社会保障欺诈。
法院：好吧。非常感谢。
（陪审员不在场）
（在公开法庭上）
法庭：还有人吗？好吧。
你，家庭成员或密友，曾经去过吗
犯罪的受害者？
来吧。你的电话号码？
陪审员：89。我被抢劫了。
法院：好吧。谢谢你允许我
知道。
还有谁？
陪审员：52。
法院：第52号。你是说你是
被抢劫；对吗？
陪审员：正确。
法庭：还有谁？
陪审员：第 58 号。我的车被偷了。
法院：第58号。你的车被偷了。
那是什么时候发生的？
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陪审员：大约十年前。
法庭：那在哪里？
陪审员：在布鲁克林。
法庭：你向警方举报了吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你把车拿回来了吗？
陪审员：我做到了。状况不佳，但是，是的。
法庭：你对警察的方式满意吗
处理了这个案子？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那段经历有什么意义吗
那会让你对被告产生偏见？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你会支持被告吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你会对... 有偏见吗
政府？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你会支持政府吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：还有谁？
陪审员：我姐姐最近被枪杀了。
法庭：听到这个消息我很抱歉。她还好吗？
陪审员：她还活着，但是 “没事” 会让人筋疲力尽
它。
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法院：听到这个消息非常抱歉。我希望如此
她康复了。
还有谁？
陪审员：我被抢劫了两次。
法庭：那你是什么号码？
陪审员：哦，88。对不起。
法庭：那些抢劫是什么时候发生的？
陪审员：大概在 20、25 年前。
法庭：那是在纽约吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你举报了抢劫案吗？
陪审员：是的。好吧，我举报了一个 —— 不，我
两者都报告了。
法院：有人追究责任吗？
陪审员：嗯，第二次抢劫的肇事者
因更严重的抢劫案被捕。然后他被关押了
对此负责。我不知道我的案子怎么了。
法院：而且第一个问题没有得到处理
全部？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：好吧。所以既然你被抢劫了两次
而且没有人被追究对这些抢劫的责任，对吗
干扰你成为公平公正的陪审员的能力
这个案子？
陪审员：没有。
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法庭：还有人吗？
陪审员：16。我男朋友被抢劫了几次
几个月前。
法庭：谢谢你告诉我。
稍等片刻。
陪审员：你好。第 42 号。
法庭：那发生了什么？
陪审员：我已经从我的银行账户中提取了钱
两次是非法的 —— 不应该被其他人干的
一直在做这件事。
法庭：还有谁？
陪审员：第 90 号。我的家被盗了。
法庭：那在哪里？
陪审员：在威彻斯特县。
法院：有人追究责任吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：那是什么时候发生的？
陪审员：2015。
法庭：你向警方举报了吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你对警察的方式满意吗
处理了这个案子？
陪审员：是的，但是我们丢了很多东西。
法庭：所以考虑到这一点，你的房子是
被盗窃了你丢失了财产没有人被追究责任
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那会不会导致你对被告有偏见
这个案子？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你会对... 有偏见吗
在这种情况下，政府？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你会有偏见吗
被告？
陪审员：没有。
法院：偏向政府？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：还有人吗？
您是否曾在美国的陪审团或大陪审团任职
联邦或州法院？什么数字？
陪审员：76。
法庭：那是什么时候？
陪审员：我想说大约 20 年前。
法庭：好吧。还有谁？
陪审员：75。南方的大陪审团
大约六、七年前的地区。
法庭：还有谁？
陪审员：陪审员 77。比如四五年前，在这里。
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法院：在这法院？
陪审员：不，是州政府。
法院：是州法院？
陪审员：是的。
法院：那是民事还是刑事案件？
陪审员：刑事。
法庭：在没有告诉我判决书的情况下，确实如此
你得出判决了吗？
陪审员：部分陪审员。不是所有的都算在内——
法院：陪审团是否就此达成一致裁决
至少一个数？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。鉴于你的州经验
法庭，有什么能阻止你成为法庭
这个案子是公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：还有谁？
陪审员：号码 88。我曾经做过民事和刑事案件
纽约州以及联邦法院。
法院：在哪个县？
陪审员：纽约曼哈顿。
法庭：还有你审理的刑事案件，
他们作出裁决了吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。还有民事案件，发生了什么
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在这些情况下？
陪审员：作出裁决。
法庭：还有最近的陪审团有多近
服务？
陪审员：我真的在处理这个案子吗？
法庭：你是陪审团成员。
陪审员：我想说的是 20 年前。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：42。这是一起州案件，刑事案件，嗯
十多年前。
法院：谢谢。
还有谁？
陪审员：第 52 号。我当时在金斯县审理了一起民事案件
大约 15 年前。
法院：谢谢。
还有谁？
陪审员：所以是 12 号。我当时正在审理州刑事案件
2016 年担任候补陪审员。
法庭：那你被任命为陪审团成员了吗？你有没有
代替其中一位陪审员？
陪审员：我曾是陪审团成员；所以我听了整场演讲
审判，但在做出决定之前我被原谅了。
法庭：所以你没有参与达成协议
判决；对吗？
陪审员：正确。
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法庭：那是多久以前的事了？
陪审员：2016。
法庭：好吧。还有谁？
陪审员：第 5 名。民用。十年前。
法院：在哪里？
陪审员：曼哈顿县。
法院：那已经宣判了吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：布朗克斯区的刑事审判，布朗克斯区刑事
法庭，也许是15年前。
法庭：好吧。不用告诉我
裁决，陪审团作出裁决了吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。有什么关于这个的吗
这会妨碍你成为一个公平的经历
本案中不偏不倚的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你会把麦克风交给 Juror No.
5。
你当陪审员的经历有什么吗
那会阻止你成为一个公平和公正的陪审员
这个案子？
陪审员：不，女士。
法院：本案的政府证人将
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包括联邦调查局的特工和分析人员。你们当中有人会是吗
或多或少有可能仅仅因为证人或
她是执法人员？我回答了这个问题
致那些还没有回答的人。
审判中采纳的一些证据可能来自
执法人员进行的搜查。我指示你
这些搜查是合法的，而且所获得的证据
在本案中，这些搜查是可以接受的。
你们当中有人对搜索有强烈的感觉吗
由执法人员进行或使用证据
从此类会干扰您的搜索中获得
在本案中成为公平公正的陪审员的能力？
有人对这种类型有什么期望吗
政府或被告应该或愿意的证据
在本次刑事审判或刑事审判中出庭更多
一般来说？
每个人都能听从法院的规定吗？
指示政府无需使用任何
调查案件的特定技巧？有没有
有人无法听从那个指令吗？
根据我们的法律制度，陪审团决定事实
由法院决定法律。这两个区域是分开的
而且与众不同。在案子结束时，我会指导你的
法律。正如我所解释的那样，你必须接受法律
您。你的工作是确定我所掌握的事实
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法律解释。你可能无法取代你的观念
法律是什么或者你认为应该是什么法律。
有没有人觉得他或她是
不愿或无法适用我向你解释的法律？
根据我们的法律体系，每名被告都是假定的
无罪，除非陪审团听取了意见，否则不能被认定有罪
该案中的所有证据，一致决定
证据毫无疑问地证明他有罪。
有没有人难以接受
法律还是对被告的无罪推定？
根据我们的法律体系，举证责任在
政府。这种负担永远不会转移到国防部。这个
被告不必证明自己无罪，也无需出示任何证据
作证、作证或盘问政府的任何证据
目击者。如果被告选择不作证，你就不能
对他不利。有陪审员无法关注吗
那条指令？
相反，如果辩护律师决定提出
以被告的名义审理，这一事实并不能改变
被告的举证责任，也不会减少被告的举证责任
政府有义务证明被告有罪
不容置疑。你们当中有人有吗
难以遵循这个原则？
法律规定，只有这里出示的证据
你可以在法庭上用来确定是否
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政府已经履行了证明被告有罪的责任
不容置疑。你可能不考虑任何外面的东西
审判证据之外的事实。有谁有
很难接受那条法律吗？
法律规定，惩罚问题是
只有法官才能决定。可能性的问题
被告可能被判的刑期不能写入你的判决
对被告有罪或无罪的审议。
有没有陪审员不能听从这个指示？
如果证据证实被告有罪
毫无疑问，有没有人觉得自己
无法作出有罪判决？
如果证据不能证实被告的
毫无疑问，有罪感，有人有这种感觉吗
他们不能作出无罪的判决吗？
你们当中有人接受过法律培训吗？然后我讲话
这个问题是给那些还没有回答的人的。
你是什么号码？
陪审员：第 40 号。
法院：那你的法律性质是什么
训练？
陪审员：我曾经在联盟工作
国际刑事法院。
法庭：好吧。还有谁？
陪审员：对我来说就是这样。
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法院：有人有宗教信仰吗，
哲学或其他可能造就他或她的信仰
无法作出判决？
好吧。我现在要开始讯问
个别陪审员。我将从二号开始。
如果你愿意说出你的电话号码
陪审员：不是。
法院：还有你的居住县和
过去五年的邻里。
陪审员：我住在布朗克斯区，我刚搬到
今年的曼哈顿。
法庭：好吧。你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：喜欢大学或者——比如——
法院：你高中毕业了吗？
陪审员：是的，是的。学士，大学。
法院：你大学毕业了吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那你在大学里学了什么？
陪审员：生物学和计算机科学。
法庭：那你目前的工作是什么？
陪审员：哥伦比亚大学实验室技术员。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你的家庭成员在做什么
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为了谋生？
陪审员：我妈妈在邮局工作；我的兄弟
在星巴克工作。
法庭：你喜欢读书、杂志还是
网站？
陪审员：是的。我喜欢读书。
法院：什么类型的书？
陪审员：幻想。
法庭：你属于任何俱乐部还是
组织？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：阅读或玩电子游戏。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：我不这么认为。
法院：它要求回答 “是” 或 “否”。
陪审员：对不起，不是。是的，不是。对不起。
法院：现在，来看第四名。如果你愿意
说出你的电话号码，你的居住县 —— 对不起，
你是第 3 名。不，我要去4号。
如果你想说出你的电话号码，你所在的县是
居住地，以及过去五年中的邻居。
陪审员：我是第 4 名。我过去住在布朗克斯区
30 年。
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法庭：多长时间？
陪审员：30 年。
法院：30。
陪审员：布朗克斯区也是如此。
法院：那那里有哪个街区？
陪审员：14号——奥格登大道。
法院：奥格登大道？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：其实，我想二号陪审员没告诉我
我是邻居。
陪审员：哈德逊广场。
法院：哈德逊广场。好吧。
你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：我去了长岛大学，去拿我的
2013年获得学士学位，教育专业。
法院：2013 年你有教育学位吗？
陪审员：是的。学士学位。
法庭：那你现在的工作呢？
陪审员：我在纽约市教育部工作
DOE，作为特殊教育助教。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：是的，我结婚了。
法庭：还有你的配偶，那个人在干什么
为了谋生？
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陪审员：我妻子待在家里。
法庭：那她是家庭主妇吗？
陪审员：是的。是啊。
法庭：好吧。还有其他成年人吗
房子谁在工作？
陪审员：是的。我女儿在纽约市工作
住房和保护部。
法院：谁在住房领域工作？
陪审员：我的女儿。
法庭：你的女儿。好吧。
陪审员：我儿子上次从计算机科学专业毕业
年。他很快就会开始一份新工作。
法庭：他还没开始工作吗？
陪审员：没有。他是 —— 还没有。是的，他在等
它。
法庭：好吧。而且你喜欢任何类型的书吗
还是杂志或网站？
陪审员：是的，我写了很多关于孩子的书，主要是关于孩子的
因为我是一名老师。所以我通常会读那些书，而且
是啊。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：听音乐。我喜欢一些纪录片
在电视上，科学纪录片上。
法庭：还有什么能阻止的
你是不是在这个案子里是个公平公正的陪审员？
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陪审员：没有。
法庭：好吧。我想去五号。
请注明你的电话号码。
陪审员：第 5 名。
法院：你居住的县。
陪审员：曼哈顿。
法庭：还有你的邻居在过去的五场比赛中
年份？
陪审员：哈林。城市学院区。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：有些大学。
法庭：那你在研究什么？
陪审员：社会学。
法庭：你目前的工作？
陪审员：执行助理。
法庭：在过去的五场比赛中你一直坚持这个观点
年份？
陪审员：十年了。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：单身。两个孩子。
法院：法院有成年成员吗
家庭谁在工作？
陪审员：是的。过去的星期六儿子刚毕业
星期六。
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法庭：恭喜你。
陪审员：谢谢。最年长的人住在弗吉尼亚州，所以
不。然后是两个父母。
法庭：所以你说的是刚毕业的儿子。
陪审员：他还没有开始任何工作。
法院：没有工作。
陪审员：刚回家。
法庭：还有你的父母，他们在工作吗？
陪审员：他们都退休了。学校老师。
法院：然后弗吉尼亚有人吗？
陪审员：是的，我的大儿子。
法庭：他在工作？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：他在做什么？
陪审员：他是一名经济学家和银行家。
法庭：你喜欢读任何类型的书吗，
杂志？
陪审员：不。
法院：网站？
陪审员：没有。
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那是什么？
陪审员：所以我有 Incoga（ph）、Oquagminfacu（ph），
Ocusaka (ph)。
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法庭：你能告诉我那些组织是什么吗
做？
陪审员：这些要么都是非营利组织 —— 好吧，全部
他们是非营利组织。但是它们基于 —— 来自于
加纳，西非。所以它们都是 —— 要么是
全国性——嗯，其中两个是全国性的，一个是全国性的
本地。
法院：那么它的目的是什么
组织？
陪审员：嗯，更多的是基于文化的。还有更多
基于文化的。
法庭：明白了。
你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：要么与这些组织合作，
帮助青年，帮助青年。
法庭：帮助年轻人？
陪审员：嗯嗯。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
从做一个公平公正的陪审员开始？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：我们会回来找二号陪审员。
你从事这份工作多久了？
陪审员：截至5月已经两年了。
法庭：那之前你做了什么？
陪审员：我在 2021 年毕业，但我什么也没做
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直到我在 2022 年找到这份工作。
法庭：第四，你在法庭待了多久了
工作？
陪审员：自2005年以来。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：现在差不多 20 年了。
法院：好吧。
我现在要去找七号陪审员。如果你愿意的话
注明你的电话号码、居住县和你的
过去五年的邻里。
陪审员：曼哈顿，地狱厨房。
法庭：那你的号码是多少？
陪审员：第 7 号。
法庭：好吧。你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：学士学位。
法院：那么主题是什么？
陪审员：文科。
法庭：你目前的工作？
陪审员：人力资源总监。
法庭：那你最后一直在这样做吗
五年？
陪审员：超过25年。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：已婚。
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法院：你的配偶以什么为生？
陪审员：他从纽约警察局退休。
法庭：那他是纽约警察局的一名警官吗？
陪审员：他是个侦探。
法庭：一名侦探。
而且我预计会有执法部门
本案的证人。你能判断他们吗
以与判断证词相同的方式作证
还有其他证人吗？
陪审员：是的。
法院：你会倾向于偏向于吗
执法证人？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你会对法律有偏见吗
执法证人？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：关于你丈夫的有什么吗
工作，以前的工作，那会妨碍你保持公平和
在这种情况下不偏不倚？
陪审员：也许吧。因为我一直都能听见他的话
你知道，在谈论新闻。而且我在听
观点。
法庭：好吧。这么多人表达
不管怎样，观点。当然，有时候你
和你丈夫有不同的看法。
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陪审员：正确。
法庭：所以我的问题是你能不能搁置一边
他的意见并在此案中公平对待双方？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你这么认为是因为你丈夫是
在执法部门，这会让你偏向于
检方？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你会对... 有偏见吗
起诉？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你会支持被告吗？
陪审员：我有 —— 我没有 —— 没有。
法庭：你会反对被告吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那你是说你有偏见吗
针对被告？
陪审员：再说一遍？
法庭：换句话说，你会参与这个问题吗
法庭已经对被告有感情了吗
陪审员：说实话，是的，因为我有
经验丰富——
法庭：那么问题是你能把任何东西搁置一边吗
你以前可能有过和经历过的经历
开诚布公的法庭，听取证人的证词，
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评估书面证据，听我的指示
法律，做一个公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：还有其他成年人吗
家庭谁在工作？
陪审员：我的儿子。
法庭：那他做了什么？
陪审员：他是个准专业人士。
法庭：在什么 —
陪审员：教育部。
法庭：你喜欢读任何类型的书吗
杂志？
陪审员：只是一些基本上是健康的心灵书籍
还有身体。
法庭：你喜欢在网上读什么吗？
陪审员：财务。
法庭：你属于任何俱乐部还是
组织？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：不幸的是，正在看 Netflix。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法院：好吧。如果你愿意通过
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麦克风到8号。
你能不能说出你的电话号码、居住县和
过去五年的邻里。
陪审员：第 8 号。第 8 号。
法院：那你住在哪个县？
陪审员：布朗克斯。
法庭：而且你已经在那里待了至少五年了
年份？
陪审员：是的。
法院：那布朗克斯区的哪个街区？什么
布朗克斯区？
陪审员：阿勒顿。
法庭：阿勒顿。
你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：学校？
法院：是的。
陪审员：十年前我只看语言。
法庭：你有任何困难吗
明白我的问题了吗？
陪审员：是的，但我有 —— 在这里我有十一年了。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：但我没有 —— 我这里没有学校。
法院：这里不上学。
你在哪里上学？
陪审员：在我的国家。
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法院：那在哪里？
陪审员：阿尔巴尼亚。
法庭：在阿尔巴尼亚你上过学。好吧。
你的工作是什么？
陪审员：波特。
法庭：那你已经这样做了五年了吗
年份？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：已婚。
法院：那你的配偶以什么为生？
你有妻子吗？
陪审员：是的。我们在同一个地方一起工作。
法院：同一个地方。
还有你家里的其他人，你还有其他人吗
有工作的人？
陪审员：我的女儿。只有我的女儿。
法庭：你的女儿？她是做什么的？
陪审员：没什么。
法庭：你女儿几岁？
陪审员：30。
法庭：30？
陪审员：30。
法庭：好吧。
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陪审员：她是残疾人。
法院：她是残疾人。我明白了。所以她不能
工作。
陪审员：没有。
法院：不是。好吧。
你喜欢任何类型的阅读吗？
陪审员：只有我在看电视而且 —
法院：你喜欢电视。好吧。
而且你有俱乐部的会员资格吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：还有什么能阻止的
你是不是一个公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：好吧。如果你想把麦克风传给
第 10 号。
如果你能说出你的电话号码
陪审员：十，第 10 号。
法院：还有你的居住县和
邻里。
陪审员：威彻斯特县，瓦尔哈拉。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：硕士学位。
法院：在什么问题上？
陪审员：企业管理领导力。
法庭：那你现在的工作呢？
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陪审员：房地产和房地产总监
管理。
法庭：那你至少这样做了吗
五年？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：我结婚了。
法庭：还有你的配偶，那个人在干什么
为了谋生？
陪审员：她是个家庭主妇。她是个家庭主妇。
法院：家庭主妇。好吧。
家里还有其他工作的成年人吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：在孩子之前，是的。好吧，我猜不一样
现在正在阅读，是的。
法庭：那你现在在读什么类型的书？
陪审员：很多儿童读物。脾气暴躁的猴子
主要是。
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：孩子们，开车送他们四处走动，带他们去
体育之类的东西。
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法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：如果你愿意把麦克风交给数字
11。
如果你愿意说出你的电话号码，请告诉我。
陪审员：11。
法院：还有你的居住县。
陪审员：布朗克斯县工作了大约17年。
法院：还有你的邻居。
陪审员：里弗代尔。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：大众传播学学士学位。
法庭：还有你目前的工作。
陪审员：我是一名活动策划者。
法庭：而且你已经这样做了最后一次
五年？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：关系重大。
法庭：还有你的另一半，那是什么意思
人以谋生为生？
陪审员：他是拉瓜迪亚机场和肯尼迪国际机场的机器操作员
机场。
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法庭：你家里还有人在工作吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢什么类型的读物？
陪审员：不是特别是，不是。我主要专注于
社交媒体。
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：我是一名歌手。我做婚礼和派对。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有，法官。
法庭：如果你能把麦克风交给 No.
12。
你能不能说出你的电话号码，你所在的县
住所和你的邻居。
陪审员：12。而且是曼哈顿，默里希尔。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：商科学士学位。
法庭：你目前的工作？
陪审员：投资者关系副总裁。
法庭：那你至少这样做了吗
最近五年？
陪审员：不，六个月。
法庭：在那之前？
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陪审员：我在一家银行当了九年的股票分析师
年份。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：还有你的另一半，那是什么意思
人以谋生为生？
陪审员：她是一家银行的人力资源主管。
法院：你家中的任何其他成年人
工作？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：《华尔街日报》。
法庭：你参与俱乐部还是
组织？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：我的空闲时间真的不多。我工作
很多，所以也许是旅行，但仅此而已。也没什么
令人兴奋的。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：好吧。如果你可以的话请通过
麦克风到第 14 号。
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陪审员：他不在这里。
法庭：他不在这里？
好吧。然后到第 15 位。
如果你愿意说出你的电话号码
陪审员：第 15 号。曼哈顿，曼哈顿谷。
法庭：而且在过去的五场比赛中你一直在场
年份？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：工商管理硕士。
法庭：你目前的工作？
陪审员：营销和筹款高级副总裁。
法院：什么类型的设置？
陪审员：医疗保健。非营利组织。
法庭：而且你已经这样做了五年了？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系。
陪审员：已婚。
法庭：还有你的配偶，那个人在干什么
为了谋生？
陪审员：他是一名医疗接待员。
法庭：你说的是医疗接待员吗？
陪审员：正确。
法庭：家里还有其他成年人工作吗？
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陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：是的。我喜欢神秘故事，我读《纽约》
如果我有时间的话，BBC
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：旅行。我喜欢剧院。享受新体验
约克。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：如果你愿意的话请把麦克风交给
29 号 —— 对不起 — 是的，第 29 号。
第 34 号。请注明你的电话号码，你所在的县
居住地，以及过去五年中的邻居。
陪审员：第 34 号。布朗克斯。佩勒姆湾。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：学士学位。
法院：什么主题？
陪审员：经济学。
法庭：在过去的五年里，你的工作是什么？
陪审员：嗯，我刚当导演八个月
以前。在此之前，我曾是该公司的行政经理
住房、保护与发展部。
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法庭：如果你能对着麦克风说话。
你说你是导演？
陪审员：我现在是。
法院：你目前是什么导演？
陪审员：HPD、住房、保护和发展。
法庭：那你以前做过什么？
陪审员：在那之前我是一名管理员经理。
法院：那是过去五年的原因吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：重要的关系。
法庭：还有你的另一半，那是什么意思
人以谋生为生？
陪审员：他退休了。
法庭：他曾经做过什么？
陪审员：施工。
法庭：还有其他成年人吗
家庭谁在工作？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：小说，浪漫。
法庭：好吧。我想让你大声说话。
你说你喜欢小说？
陪审员：浪漫小说。
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法庭：爱情小说。
好吧。有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你的业余时间？
陪审员：拼图。和我的家人共度时光。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法院：请前往第 49 号。
如果你想说出你的电话号码、你所在的县和你的
邻里。
陪审员：49。曼哈顿，东村。
法庭：在过去的五年里你一直在场？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：高中。
法庭：你的工作是什么？
陪审员：波特。
法庭：水？
陪审员：波特，就像看门人一样。
法庭：波特。
你结婚了还是有重要关系？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你家里还有其他人吗
工作？
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陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的书籍或杂志吗
还是网站？
陪审员：体育、宗教之类的。
法庭：你参与俱乐部还是
组织？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：和家人一起出去玩。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：如果你愿意的话请把麦克风交给 No.
51。
如果你想说出你的电话号码，你所在的县是
过去五年的居住地和邻里。
陪审员：数字是 51。我住在布鲁克林；格林
波因特，布鲁克林。
法庭：你在布鲁克林生活了多长时间？
陪审员：自9月以来。
法庭：律师，请你加紧努力。
（在侧边栏上）
法庭：所以据我了解，布鲁克林
居民没有资格成为纽约州新南威尔士州的陪审员；
正确？
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SHROFF 女士：是的，法官大人。
法庭：所以我会解雇她。我继续前进
给下一个人。好吧。
（在公开法庭上）
法庭：如果你愿意把麦克风交给 No.
58。
陪审员：58。
法院：还有你的居住县和
过去五年的邻里？
陪审员：新罗谢尔威彻斯特县。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：我有博士学位。
法院：在什么问题上？
陪审员：物理疗法。
法庭：而且你一直在做物理治疗
最近五年？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：还有你的另一半，那是什么意思
人做？
陪审员：他们是一名机械师。机械师。
法庭：机械师。
家里还有其他成年人工作吗？
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陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：主要是商业杂志。
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你的业余时间？
陪审员：我在人道协会做志愿者。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法院：好吧。
如果你愿意的话请把麦克风交给 69 号。
陪审员：第 69 号。
法院：你所在的县？
陪审员：罗克兰县，康格斯。
法庭：对不起。哦，你在这里。
康格斯的罗克兰县。而且你去那里是为了
至少在过去的五年里？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：大学三年。
法院：什么主题？
陪审员：工程和计算机科学。
法庭：你目前的工作？
陪审员：我是一家设施的副主任
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部门。
法院：副主任。什么类型的
设施？
陪审员：这是一家药品制造工厂。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：我结婚了。
法庭：还有你的配偶，那个人在干什么
为了谋生？
陪审员：她是一名会计师。
法庭：家里还有其他成年人吗
工作？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：是的，我愿意。我读的是工程和科学
主要是书籍。
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：我属于一个游艇俱乐部，我也属于
一些宗教部委。
法庭：在业余时间？
陪审员：各部委和读书俱乐部。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：请把麦克风交给 70 号。
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如果你能说出你的电话号码，你所在的县是
过去五年的居住地和邻里。
陪审员：第 70 号。下东区。
法庭：而且在过去的五场比赛中你一直在场
年份？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：我在高中辍学了现在我上了
现在上大学。
法庭：那么你有 GED 吗？
陪审员：是的。
法院：太棒了。那你现在在学什么？
陪审员：文科。
法庭：那你现在的工作呢？
陪审员：维护。而且我拥有两家在线商店。
法庭：你卖什么？
JUROR：维生素、我自己的产品维生素和
衣服。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：是的，结婚了。
法庭：还有你的配偶，那个人在干什么
为了谋生？
陪审员：她是一名助教。
法庭：家里还有人在工作吗？
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陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：斯蒂芬·金。
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你的业余时间？
陪审员：只限我的商店和我的孩子们。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你会把麦克风交给数字吗
73。
如果你说出你的电话号码你居住的县
还有你的邻居在过去的五年里。
陪审员：73。威彻斯特。扬克斯。
法庭：你在那里待了至少五年？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那你现在的工作呢？
陪审员：财务预算副主任。
法庭：在什么样的环境中？
陪审员：对不起？
法院：你在哪种环境中工作？
陪审员：在财务方面，是的。
法庭：好吧。而且你一直这么做是为了
最近五年？
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陪审员：是的。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：很重要，距离很远。菲律宾。
法庭：你说了很长一段路要说什么？
陪审员：菲律宾。在菲律宾。
法院：在菲律宾。
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。而你的另一半，确实如此
那个人在工作？
陪审员：银行业。
法庭：家里有成年人吗
除了你以外还工作？
陪审员：兄弟，圣巴纳巴斯的一名护士助理。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：财务准入。
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：家务，纪录片。
法庭：任何会阻碍你出庭的东西
本案的陪审员是公平公正的？
陪审员：没有。
法院：求你了 77 号。
如果你说出你的名字，你居住的县，
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以及过去五年的邻里。
陪审员：77。曼哈顿。哈莱姆中部
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：理学和计算机科学学士学位。
法庭：你的工作是什么？
陪审员：我目前不工作。
法庭：那你最近有多久才找到工作？
陪审员：四年半前。
法庭：那你在五年半的时间里做了什么
以前？
陪审员：我曾在一家大型金融机构从事信息技术工作。
法庭：那你做那份工作多久了？
陪审员：23 年。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：重要的关系。
法庭：还有你的另一半，是吗
人工作？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：还有其他成年人吗
家庭谁在工作？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢什么类型的读物？
陪审员：灵性、深奥艺术、摄影和
其他东西。
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法庭：你参与俱乐部还是
组织？
陪审员：是的。我是 Atlassian 的社区领袖
用户组。Atlassian 是一家软件公司。
法庭：对不起，我没有关注你。你
说你是哪种团体的社区领袖？
陪审员：这是 Atlassian 软件的用户群体。它是
使用软件产品的人的集合
Atlassian 公司。因此，我们计划和举办其他活动
使用这些产品的人。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：园艺和摄影。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你会把麦克风传给第 78 号吗。
陪审员：第 78 号。我住在曼哈顿县；去过
在这里生活了五年多一点。我现在住在
上东区。在过去的五年里，我也生活过
地狱厨房和格林威治村。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：企业管理学士学位。
（下一页继续）
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法庭：还有你目前的工作。
陪审员：我从事商业贷款工作。我一直在做
持续了将近六年。标题变了，但这是
一样——差不多是同样的作品。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：订婚了，住在同一个地方
公寓。
法庭：恭喜你。还有你的未婚妻，什么
那个人会吗？
陪审员：她——她是一名社会工作者。
法庭：还有家庭中任何其他成年人
工作？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢哪种类型的读物？
陪审员：自助、神秘，还有我——一点点
来自不同来源的新闻。主要通过谷歌新闻。
法院：也就是说，通过？
陪审员：谷歌新闻。
法院：谷歌。
陪审员：是的。
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你的业余时间？
陪审员：要么跑步，要么读书，要么看电视。什么都没有
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特别的。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：如果你愿意把麦克风交给陪审员 79。
你能告诉我你的电话号码吗，你所在的县
过去五年的居住地和邻里。
陪审员：第 79 号。曼哈顿，地狱厨房。
法庭：我很难听见你的话。
陪审员：对不起。曼哈顿地狱厨房79号
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：理学学士。
法庭：还有你目前的工作。
陪审员：我是一名投资组合经理。
法庭：对不起。我没明白。
陪审员：投资组合经理。
法庭：而且你已经这样做了最后一次
五年？
陪审员：标题基本相同，不同。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：重要的关系。
法庭：还有你的另一半，那是什么意思
人以谋生为生？
陪审员：她是一名律师。
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法院：她执业的是什么样的法律？
陪审员：破产重组。
法庭：那你能把任何事情搁置一边吗
你已经了解了破产法、破产
诉讼，只关注你在本文中听到的证据
案例？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：科幻小说。不管《哈德逊新闻》有什么
当我即将旅行的时候。
法庭：科幻小说，你说旅行吗？
陪审员：就像我之前的《哈德逊新闻》一样——
法庭：对不起。我听不清了
你，先生。如果你愿意的话请大声说出来。
陪审员：对不起。书店里有什么
在我上飞机之前可用。
法庭：如果你能说得更大更慢。
陪审员：不管我去之前书店里有什么
飞行，其实什么都行。
法庭：你里面还有其他成年人吗
家庭谁在工作？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你参与俱乐部还是
组织？
陪审员：是的，雅克·佩平基金会。
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法院：那是什么？
陪审员：是 —— 嗯，他是个电视厨师，而且
该组织向接受培训的小型非营利组织发放补助金
掌握烹饪或专业技能的人。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：电子游戏、烹饪。
法庭：电子游戏之类的？
陪审员：烹饪。
法庭：烹饪。有什么可以的吗
阻止你在本案中成为公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：请你把麦克风交给 81 号吗。
陪审员：第 81 号。来自新州威彻斯特县
罗谢尔。
法庭：而且你已经在那里待了至少五年了
年份？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：信息技术管理硕士。
法庭：还有你目前的工作。
陪审员：我是一名医疗机构的现场服务工程师
仪器公司。
法庭：在过去的五年里你一直在这样做
年份？
陪审员：是的。不止于此。十。我也是
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空军预备役成员。
法庭：你也是空军的一员
储备？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：已婚。
法庭：还有你的配偶，那个人在干什么
为了谋生？
陪审员：她从事零售管理工作。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：是的。我喜欢读关于科技的文章
健康和宗教书籍，自助服务。
法庭：你是参与俱乐部还是
组织？
陪审员：我只是在教会里帮助年轻人；
仅此而已。
法庭：那你是如何度过业余时间的？
陪审员：我喜欢户外活动、徒步旅行、跑步；我
也喜欢——比如做饭和学习新事物。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：请你把麦克风交给 83 号吗。
陪审员：83。威彻斯特。南塞勒姆
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法庭：在过去的五年里你一直在场？
陪审员：是的。是的。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：我有博士学位。
法院：在什么问题上？
陪审员：英美文学。
法庭：你目前的工作？
陪审员：我退休了。我以前是—— 我教过
大学阶段的英语。
法庭：那你退休多久了？
陪审员：2003。
法庭：那你工作了多长时间？
陪审员：20 年。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：我结婚了。
法庭：还有你的配偶，那个人在干什么
为了谋生？
陪审员：他退休了。他以前是
广告主管。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：是的。我读文学小说，我读《新报》
《约克客》、《纽约时报》、《纽约书评》、
诗歌。
法庭：还有你家里有成年人吗
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除了—— 之外的工作
陪审员：没有。
法庭：——你和你都是—— 好吧，你不是
工作，但是没有其他人在家里工作吗？
陪审员：没有。
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：是的。我当地的校友俱乐部，游艇俱乐部。
法院：那么游艇俱乐部和其他什么俱乐部呢？
陪审员：韦尔斯利校友俱乐部。
法庭：你会如何描述自己在法庭上的所作所为
空闲时间？
陪审员：帆船、园艺、瑜伽。我感兴趣的是
祖先所以我可以帮助人们发现他们的祖先；意大利人，
通常。
法庭：还有什么能阻止的
你是不是在这个案子里是个公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你能不能把麦克风交给
第 88 个。
陪审员：第 88 号。曼哈顿。格林威治村
法庭：而且你在那里生活了至少五年
年份？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：四年了。没有毕业。场地是
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通信。
法庭：你目前的工作？
陪审员：我是一名有声读物叙述者，我也是
几所医学院的标准化病人。
法庭：你说的是标准化病人吗？
陪审员：标准化患者。
法院：那是什么意思？
陪审员：我假装生病这样医学生就可以
弄清楚我出了什么问题。
法庭：还有你作为一个人一直在做的这项工作
有声读物解说员和标准化病人，你一直是
在过去的五年里一直在这样做？
陪审员：是的，女士。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：没有。
法院：房子里除外的任何成年人
你自己是谁在工作？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：我喜欢政治、艺术、音乐。
法庭：你是否参与任何俱乐部或
组织？
陪审员：我是电影演员协会的成员而且
还有音乐家联盟。仅此而已。
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法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：练习，上网。
法庭：在练习什么？
陪审员：我也弹单簧管、萨克斯和长笛。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：我不这么认为，不是。
法庭：好吧。这要求是 “是” 或 “否”
回答。有什么能阻止你成为
这个案子是公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：请把麦克风交给 90 号。
陪审员：第 90 号。威彻斯特县.的村庄
佩勒姆庄园。我有教学方面的艺术硕士学位。我在... 工作
一家文化机构，我是那里的副所长
教育。
法庭：而且你住在佩勒姆庄园已有
最近五年？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：还有你在文化机构的工作，
你也这样做了至少五年？
陪审员：是的。
法院：你的婚姻状况如何？你是吗
已婚或有重要关系？
陪审员：我结婚了。
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法庭：还有你的配偶，那个人在干什么
为了谋生？
陪审员：他是标准普尔北美销售主管
全球，道琼斯指数。
法庭：家庭中任何其他成年人
工作？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：我喜欢读历史小说。
法院：还有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：我属于几个环保组织，
还有佩勒姆乡村俱乐部。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：打网球、打高尔夫球和园艺。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：请把麦克风交回其中一个
我的法律书记员。
还有律师，我会在侧边栏见。
（在侧边栏上）
法院：关于八号陪审员，我不这么认为
他的英语足够流利，可以担任陪审员。是
有人反对我解雇他吗？
芬克尔先生：不是来自政府。
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KAMARAJU 先生：不，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。所以我想回顾一下 —— 好吧，
首先，你有什么问题要我问吗
致剩下的任何特定的陪审员？
芬克尔先生：不，法官大人。
KAMARAJU 先生：我们要做一个因果关系
在你的荣誉官认为的时候挑战第 7 名
适当的。
法院：基于什么理由？
KAMARAJU 先生：她的丈夫是一名退休的纽约警察局
侦探。最初是法官大人问她是否
对被告有偏见，她说 “是” 的依据
她说的那些话 —— 我想确保自己不是
close——基于她无意中听到的与她的谈话
丈夫和朋友，而法官大人随后又问了一个
问题，在我们看来，她似乎很犹豫要回答
肯定的，而她最明确和最明确的答案是
她会对被告有偏见。
芬克尔先生：法官大人，你接着问了
那个潜在的陪审员她是否同意她的一切
丈夫说了她说不行你说，你能放吗
把你可能从其他人那里听到的意见放在一边，然后决定
本案中的问题取决于你在这篇文章中听到的内容
法庭，你对这里的人有偏见吗
法庭，她说不，她说她可以是一个公平的
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公正的陪审员。
法院：没错。我不会解雇的
她是有原因的
还有人吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。所以我只想过一遍，有没有
还有我没联系到的人吗？哦，那意味着其他
比 14 岁和 29 岁，他们午饭后没有回来。
KAMARAJU 先生：哦，是的。谢谢你，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：政府什么也没说。
法庭：那好吧。
SHROFF 女士：我们能不能有一个——
KAMARAJU 先生：96 地址解决了吗？
芬克尔先生：我们有 96 次袭击，但是——
法庭：让我看看。
SHROFF 女士：所以，法官大人，我们会要求
法院将七号人带回来问她是否真的可以公平
而且在这种情况下是公正的，因为我不像她那样想
停顿了很长时间后回答说 “是” ——本质上，在
她之前的回答是她说不可能的
公平地说，我想请法院对她进行最后一次调查。
法庭：所以我认为她已经康复了
完全如此，所以我不会再追求这个问题了。
96 号陪审员被击中。
好吧。所以我要原谅那些人
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已经被解雇了，那些没有被解雇的人，我会把他们解雇的
等一下，我们将经历严峻的挑战。
芬克尔先生：法官大人，我能确保我们理解吗
强制系统。那么，本质上是正确的吗
剩下的前 12 名陪审员，无论谁是最后一名陪审员，都是辩方
可以随心所欲地攻击最多 10 个，然后在他们选择之后
这 10 个，无论谁还剩，政府都可以罢工
六，最多六个，它想要？
法庭：好吧。所以不是。
SHROFF 女士：没有。
法庭：所以我们从第一回合开始，辩方
无论他们决定向谁发起攻击。现在他们可能会全部拿走10个
但我对此表示高度怀疑。因此，让我们假设他们需要两个。
然后你将尝试剩下的 10 个。
芬克尔先生：好吧。
球场：然后还有另一轮比赛
防御，他们可以尽可能多地进行攻击，而且
然后你就有机会做同样的事情，我们就走了
就像这样，直到他们消灭了所有的罢工。
芬克尔先生：我明白了。然后以 12 人为一组。
法庭：总是以 12 人为一组。
芬克尔先生：好吧。很抱歉——这样我们就会知道是谁了
他们要罢工。
法庭：会大声说出来。我要去
宣布它，这将是显而易见的。
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芬克尔先生：好吧。谢谢。
SHROFF 女士：法官大人——
FERGENSON 先生：法官大人——哦，来吧。
SHROFF 女士：好吧。因此，法官大人，有两件事。一个
是，是每次都先进行防御还是轮换，我们走了
先他们走了？
法庭：每次辩护都是第一位的。
SHROFF 女士：好吧。第二，法官大人，我们确实需要
在我们行使专制权之前，请先与客户交谈。所以
今晚你不打算让我这么做吗？
法院：哦，不，不，不，我们今天正在做。如果
你想和你的客户谈谈，然后他就坐在旁边
对你来说。
SHROFF 女士：我只是不知道。我以为我们结束了
在 5 点。
法院：现在还不到 5 点。
SHROFF 女士：已经过了 5 点。
法庭：对不起。我读错了时钟。所以
请原谅我。我们得回来了
明天。
SHROFF 女士：好吧。谢谢。我很感激。
谢谢你，法官大人。
KAMARAJU 先生：我只是想问一个数字
问题。我们有没被打扰的陪审员人数吗？我不是
确定是否足够。
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MURRAY 女士：21；23 还有两个没回来的人
从午餐开始。因此，如果他们回来了，他们就会去做个人
明天会是 23 个，但现在有 21 个。
KAMARAJU 先生：够了吗？我们需要更多吗？
法庭：好吧，我们可以选择我们想要的
有，然后我们要再提一批。
KAMARAJU 先生：好吧。那是我不确定的，你的
Honor，如果你想先这样做，那就提起其他人
第一。
法庭：我想先加入这个小组。
SHROFF 女士：好吧。谢谢你，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：法官大人，只是一个后勤点。所以
看来我们要完成陪审团的甄选了
明天。我们直接去找证人？我们带了目击者
来自州外。我们预计会离开。我们准备好了。而且
我们只想确保期望是正确的，而不是正确的
错了。
SHROFF 女士：这个星期五我们在坐吗？
芬克尔先生：是的。
法庭：记得我说过我们在星期五。
SHROFF 女士：不，不是。我还以为有一些
今天早上有分歧。这就是我问的原因。
法庭：是的。我们要走了。
芬克尔先生：谢谢你，法官大人。
FERGENSON 先生：法官大人，对不起。我只是想要
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为了确保我能理解这些权力。所以在你的
假设我们有 12 个，防守击中了两个，假设我们
没有罢工；那10个人是陪审团成员吗？
法庭：他们在陪审团里。
FERGENSON 先生：明白了。
法庭：如果你不打任何人，那我们就是
再加一对然后你就开始交易
和那两个人在一起。没错。
芬克尔先生：哦，好吧。
法院：是的。
SHROFF 女士：法官大人，如果你能原谅我的话
明天一点持续十分钟
法院：是的。绝对。
法庭：好吧。陪审员将是
他们明天早上回来的时候被安置在26A。好吧。
KAMARAJU 先生：谢谢你，法官大人。
（在公开法庭上）
法庭：那好吧。此时
斯坦伯格先生将阅读这些人的名单
被免除担任陪审团的职务。
书记员：第80号，第75号，第89号，第96号，
第 82 号、第 84 号、85 号、第 86 号、第 98 号、第 99 号、第 100 号，
第 33 号、第 3 号、第 52 号、第 76 号、40 号、42 号、47 号、60 号
第 16 号、第 46 号、第 94 号、第 95 号、22 号、第 51 号、第 8 号。那些
是被原谅的陪审员。其余的陪审员，拜托了
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明天回来。
那些我刚才点名或列出的人，你现在可以离开。
我们感谢你今天的陪审团服务。剩下的，拜托
留在这里。
法庭：你们当中那些还留在法庭的人
法庭，你明天必须回到法院然后
在走廊里准备进入法庭 26A——这是一个
与此不同的法庭——上午9点整的26A号法庭。
请记住，不允许你在其中讨论这个案子
你自己或者和别人在一起。不要允许任何人讨论
案子就在你面前。还要记住
不允许律师与你有任何联系，所以
如果他们不承认你，就不要对他们持反对态度
看看他们。
所以晚上好，我明天见
上午 9 点
SHROFF 女士：法官大人，对不起。愿我们能有
暂时简要介绍一下侧边栏。
法院：是的。
（在侧边栏上）
SHROFF 女士：也许我错过了，但是有陪审员
谁坐在那里是谁——我想他从来没有
受到质疑，对吧？我认为他回来晚了。
芬克尔先生：等一下。
法庭：等一秒钟。是哪个数字？
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SHROFF 女士：我不知道他的电话号码。他很年轻
坐在那里的人。我想你的法律书记员知道。
法律书记员：29。他回来晚了。他是其中之一
那些我们明天要问的人。
法庭：他得带着剩下的进来
75。
芬克尔先生：问题出在哪里？对不起。我错过了
它。
SHROFF 女士：他没有受到讯问，第 29 号陪审员。
仅此而已。
法庭：好吧。我也想澄清一下
关于陪审团的甄选。它以 12 人为一组。我只想要
确保每个人都能理解。第一轮是
12 人一组。第二轮是12人一组。好吧。
MURRAY 女士：只有一个后勤问题。如果我们这样做
明天在 2:45 之前的某个时候召集陪审团
这将是典型的试用日截止时间，我们预计会坐满吗
一天直到 5 点然后直接进入开盘或者你会想象吗
一旦组建了陪审团，我们就会回到法院的审理中
典型的试用日时间表？
法庭：所以我只是觉得我们不会
及时完成以开始空缺职位。所以我会说我们会
明天结束评审团的选拔然后在上线开始
第二天。
FINKEL 先生：所以我们要等到证人才能到场
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星期五。
法院：明白了。
芬克尔先生：谢谢你，法官大人。
SHROFF 女士：谢谢你，法官大人。
（在公开法庭上）
法庭：那好吧。所以明天早上，
26A，上午 9 点。晚上好。
（陪审团不在场）
球场：因此，由于我渴望挺过去，我输了
追踪时间。你应该毫不犹豫地索要侧边栏
来解决这个问题。
好吧。明天见。
所有法律顾问：谢谢你，法官大人。
（延期至 2024 年 5 月 23 日上午 9:00）