Miles Trial Day 2 - Court transcript and translation, version 1

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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK

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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,

v. 23 Cr. 118 (AT)

MILES GUO,

Defendant. Voir Dire

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New York, N.Y.

May 23, 2024

9:00 a.m.

Before:

HON. ANALISA TORRES,

District Judge

APPEARANCES

DAMIAN WILLIAMS

United States Attorney for the

Southern District of New York

BY: MICAH F. FERGENSON

RYAN B. FINKEL

JUSTIN HORTON

JULIANA N. MURRAY

Assistant United States Attorneys

SABRINA P. SHROFF

Attorney for Defendant

PRYOR CASHMAN LLP

Attorneys for Defendant

BY: SIDHARDHA KAMARAJU

MATTHEW BARKAN

ALSTON & BIRD LLP

Attorneys for Defendant

BY: E. SCOTT SCHIRICK

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ALSO PRESENT:

Isabel Loftus, Paralegal Specialist, USAO

Michael Gartland, Paralegal Specialist, USAO

Geoffrey Mearns, Paralegal Specialist, USAO

Robert Stout, Special Agent, FBI

Ruben Montilla, Defense Paralegal

Tuo Huang, Interpreter (Mandarin)

Shi Feng, Interpreter (Mandarin)

Victor Chang, Interpreter (Mandarin)

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(Voir dire resumed; May 23, 2024)

THE COURT: Good morning. Would you make your

appearances, please.

MR. FINKEL: Good morning, your Honor. Ryan Finkel,

Juliana Murray, Micah Fergenson, and Justin Horton for the

government. We're joined at counsel table by a paralegal

specialist on staff, Michael Gartland.

MR. KAMARAJU: Good morning, your Honor. Sidhardha

Kamaraju, Sabrina Shroff, Scott Schirick, and Adam Barkan on

behalf of Mr. Guo, who is seated at counsel table.

THE COURT: Please be seated.

Are you ready to begin the peremptories?

MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, we had requested a quick

sidebar just to discuss process before we begin peremptories,

just generally on process questions.

In thinking through this last night and looking at the

numbers, the way that things are shaping up, it seems clear to

us, and I presume to the government, that we're going to have a

jury today——probably no later than tomorrow, but likely today.

But as it stands, we don't have a second 12 subpanel, we only

have the first 12 because we have a total of 21, if our count

is correct. So our suggestion, if it makes sense to everyone

else and to the Court, would be to go through the qualification

process for the folks who are sitting downstairs so that we can

have at least a second full subpanel of 12 to come behind the

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current panel of 12, with the idea being that that way we at

least can see who's coming up next. Of course, based on the

way that yesterday went and the factors that we all know we're

facing in terms of picking a jury, we've got a holiday weekend,

we've got a long trial, the yield that we had yesterday was

pretty low, it was 21 out of a hundred, so roughly 20 percent.

And our concern would be, the later we wait in the day to

qualify the folks who are now sitting downstairs, the more

likely it is that yield is going to drop. So we don't want to

find ourselves in a position where we have fewer jurors in the

panel that's sitting downstairs qualified to be able to slide

in behind the current 12. So our suggestion would be, if it

makes sense to everyone, to go through the qualification

process for the folks who are downstairs before going through

the peremptory process for the first 12.

THE COURT: So the jurors that are downstairs are not

going to be ready immediately.

MR. SCHIRICK: Understood.

THE COURT: I don't expect them for another hour,

maybe longer, given how long they took yesterday. And we could

get these peremptories knocked out now and just go right into

the qualification process. And you're saying that you would

not like to do that.

MR. SCHIRICK: Yeah. I think our thought, your Honor,

was, given how low the yield was from yesterday, the sooner we

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know we're going to get to that second 12——

THE COURT: Right. But what I'm saying is that we can

knock out the peremptories before the panel is even ready to

come up.

MR. SCHIRICK: I completely understand. I think the

thought, just to share with the Court, is really twofold. One

is, the later in the day that we wait to qualify the folks who

are sitting downstairs, whom we know we're going to need——

THE COURT: Right. What I'm saying is that we would

not essentially be waiting.

MR. SCHIRICK: Fair enough, your Honor.

THE COURT: Do you disagree with that?

MR. SCHIRICK: Well, I think——yeah, I think the sooner

we do that, the better is the first point; and the second point

is, just from a process perspective, for both the defense and

the government, being able to know, have some sense of who is

in the second 12 and a third 12 certainly informs the

peremptories that we would exercise beginning on the first 12.

THE COURT: I understand the second point. I disagree

with the first.

What is the prosecution's position?

MR. FINKEL: Thank you, your Honor.

On the first point, I think it's most efficient to

proceed as the Court instructed the parties to be ready to do

this morning.

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On the second point, the government feels that it's

appropriate to go forward now, if that's what the Court would

like to do. If the Court wants to wait, we can, but we might

as well take advantage of this time. That's the government's

view.

THE COURT: I agree. So let's start with the

peremptories.

MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, just one just sort of

logistical question on the peremptories, just to make sure we

understand the pool correctly. For the first 12, it's

essentially Juror No. 1 through Juror No. 69; is that correct?

THE COURT: So according to my records, Juror No. 1

was dismissed.

MR. FINKEL: Sorry. Yes.

THE COURT: Let me read out the list of jurors that I

understand to be in the pool. Juror No. 2, 4, 5, 7, 10, 11,

12, 15, 34, 49, 58, 69, 70, 73, 77, 78, 79, 81, 83, 88, 90.

Okay.

MR. FINKEL: And so, your Honor, if I may, so the

first sort of available 12 that we're striking from would be

2——69 would be the last of the 12.

THE COURT: That is correct.

MR. FINKEL: All right. Thank you.

MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, the way that we're striking

at this point, it wouldn't allow Mr. Guo to properly anticipate

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how to strike on these 12 because the Court's rules don't allow

us to work backward, so in exercising the 10, we don't have a

sense of what is to come in the next pool, the next 12 and the

12 after.

THE COURT: I understand your arguments, and I don't

agree with your premise, and the application is denied.

One moment, please.

All right. I just received a message from my law

clerks that Juror No. 2 had stated that it was going to be a

financial hardship for her to serve so I'd like to bring her

back in.

MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, we have one point of

clarification. Is now the right time or——while the juror is

walking in?

THE COURT: Go ahead.

MR. SCHIRICK: The question is with respect to the

next subset. Will we be asked to exercise on the following

eight or will we be qualifying an additional four so that we

have a subpanel of 12 before we exercise?

THE COURT: We need 12, and so it's just going to be

that first group of 12.

MR. SCHIRICK: Understood. Thank you.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Good morning. And welcome back.

JUROR: Thank you.

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THE COURT: I understand there's something you'd like

to say.

JUROR: Yes. I'm sorry about this. My boss——or I

work for a university and I have a professor who is on——or my

boss has a professor who is on tenure——or, sorry, sabbatical,

and I'm on his project, and they need me until June 30th, so

she said it would be a financial hardship to let go of me for

seven weeks. And——

THE COURT: So where is it that you work?

JUROR: Columbia University.

THE COURT: And what's the nature of the work?

JUROR: I work with, like——like, bacteria and, like

yeast materials, and I do, like, genetic transformations.

THE COURT: You're in a lab.

JUROR: Yes, in a lab.

THE COURT: Okay. And so what would happen if you got

hit by a truck today?

JUROR: Well, his——his study would stall. I'm the

only one working with him on his project, and I——I do the

genetic transformations for him and I prepare the materials for

him and then he will do experiments. So it's like a teamwork

and——

THE COURT: And if you got sick and you understood

that you have to be out for seven weeks, he would just have to

wait for you; isn't that true?

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JUROR: Yes, I guess.

THE COURT: And you would get paid during those weeks;

is that correct?

JUROR: Yeah.

THE COURT: So it essentially amounts to an

inconvenience to the professor; is that right?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: All right. You can step out.

JUROR: Okay. Can I also say one more thing. I am on

a medication and it kind of works as, like, a diuretic. Sorry.

But I have——I, like, need a lot of restroom breaks, so——

THE COURT: Well, how frequently would you say?

JUROR: Like once an hour. I had to ask your clerks

multiple times to use the bathroom. It's——yeah.

THE COURT: Okay.

JUROR: And my concern would be, if we are in trial

for about three hours, I don't think I could do that without a

break.

THE COURT: All right. You can step out.

JUROR: Okay. Thank you. I'm sorry.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing her?

MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, we, of course, defer to the

Court, but with respect to the——she works for Columbia

University. There are other lab techs. It's a large entity.

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I'm sure they could fill in whatever inconvenience it is, and

if it's truly something only she can do, she can do it after

3:00.

With respect to the issue, the medical issue, she

seemed to be fine yesterday, and, you know, having to go to the

bathroom every 60, 90 minutes, whatever it is, is kind of

normal. So we don't think this is a reason to excuse her for

cause. That's the government's view.

THE COURT: So your position is that I should just

give her those breaks.

MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, I think——the government

defers to the Court because you're, of course, running the

trial, and if it will be inconvenient to the trial, then we

defer to the Court on its judgment with respect to that issue.

And with respect to the first issue, we would object, because I

don't think it's really a hardship to her or to Columbia

University.

THE COURT: I agree with respect to No. 1, your point

No. 1. With respect to point No. 2, we did excuse a gentleman

yesterday who said he had a prostate condition and needed to go

to the bathroom frequently.

MR. FINKEL: That's true. That individual said he had

to go to the bathroom every 15 minutes.

The other thing, just——this particular juror didn't

mention that issue yesterday and mentioned that second issue

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today only after the Court sort of greeted the first issue with

appropriate skepticism, and I guess what I'm saying, your

Honor, is, candidly, I'm not really sure that's a major issue.

So I think——I think she should stay on. If she survives, we'll

deal with her.

MR. KAMARAJU: So I think we're all on the same page

with respect to the first issue, but I do think the second

issue would be pretty disruptive to the Court's calendar. I

agree your Honor did dismiss somebody for a similar reason.

The juror did say that she had asked the clerks for a break

yesterday——several times, I think she said. And the fact is

that throughout the process, we have been crediting the things

prospective jurors have said. So I think she should be

excused.

THE COURT: I'm going to consult my clerks.

MR. KAMARAJU: Thank you, your Honor.

THE COURT: I'm told by my clerks that she requested a

bathroom break three times in the morning, and so I think that

that that would slow things down for us, and so I'm going to

excuse her.

We also have No. 7, who has asked to speak with me

privately. She states that there was something that she did

not say because she did not want to say it in front of the

attorneys. And so I will have a private conference. With the

reporter, of course.

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MS. SHROFF: May we just approach, just counsel, for a

second?

THE COURT: Okay.

(At the sidebar)

MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, it's about the interpreter.

THE COURT: So you're asking to raise an issue off the

record?

MS. SHROFF: Just for a minute.

(Discussion off the record)

THE COURT: So I understand that there's a complaint

concerning the interpreter, male interpreter who is the older

individual, that he is mistranslating, and the example that

counsel gave me was that for the word "hour," he said the word

"week," and so that, of course, is not acceptable, and I will

not have him continue as interpreter. I am going to have my

staff contact the interpreters office to let them know that,

and we need a third individual, or we'll have to simply go with

two. Certainly for right now, for this morning's purposes,

we're going to go with two.

MR. FERGENSON: Thank you, your Honor.

MS. SHROFF: Thank you.

MR. FINKEL: For clarity of the record, we understand

defense counsel isn't raising any issues that defendant was

unable to understand what transpired in the courtroom or today,

that the interpreter was providing sufficient and adequate

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assistance so that he could understand what was going on in

this case and that there was no objection with what happened

yesterday or today.

MS. SHROFF: The record is what the record is, your

Honor. I mean, there's nothing further we can add. The record

is clear.

THE COURT: Well, the question is whether or not we

need to start from scratch because you may raise an objection

concerning what happened yesterday.

MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, if we had an objection

yesterday, I promise you we would have raised it. So what I

meant to say is, since there's nothing in the record yesterday,

we're not going to go back and raise it, because we know it

would be incumbent on us to raise it. So I am aware, your

Honor, of course.

MR. FINKEL: And there's no objection, as I understand

it, from Ms. Shroff with continuing to use that interpreter

today. That's what she mentioned.

MS. SHROFF: That's not what we said, and that's not

what the Court said.

MR. FINKEL: Oh.

THE COURT: We're just going to go with the two that

are——

MR. FINKEL: Oh, I understand.

THE COURT: ——competent, and that individual will no

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longer be interpreting.

MR. FINKEL: That's fine with the government.

MR. KAMARAJU: Can we just have a moment to confer

about the Juror No. 7 issue?

THE COURT: Yes.

MR. KAMARAJU: Thank you, your Honor.

THE COURT: Please have No. 7 come in.

(Juror present at sidebar; no attorneys present)

THE COURT: Good morning. Welcome back.

You are No. what?

JUROR: 7.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what's the issue?

JUROR: I'm so emotional. In——so in 2022——my husband

was diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2022, and he was fine,

but on Monday we found out now that he has cancer again, so I

just want to know, like, we were trying to make arrangements on

what's our next plan, so I want to be there with him, like I

was there two years ago and I was supporting him in that area,

and me being in this case, it's too much for me. It's going to

be a problem for me.

THE COURT: So you know that we end every day at 2:45,

which will give you the opportunity to go to the doctor with

him for appointments that are in the late afternoon.

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JUROR: Okay. I didn't know that. I thought you guys

ended at 5:00 every day. And I'm here with no cellphone, with

no way to, you know, be in——like, if there was a video chat or

something, I couldn't even, you know, be part of the——the

meeting, so there's no form of him communicating with me. I

thought that we was able to use our phones here. We cannot

even bring our telephones here either.

THE COURT: So you're saying that because you don't

have the phone, you feel that even being able to go to the

appointment is too distressing for you?

JUROR: It's overwhelming for me knowing that he's

going through this process again, and it's just overwhelming

for me. Like, I had the conversation with him yesterday. I

really didn't want to discuss that in front of everyone

yesterday. I felt very uncomfortable about it. But I said,

you know, let me speak to the judge and see what, you know,

what can we do here. I'm just sharing. That's all.

THE COURT: So what I'm trying to get at is whether,

knowing that you're leaving at 2:45 every day, is that a

comfortable way for you to go forward?

JUROR: Yeah. It's a comfortable way for me to go

forward. I thought I was going to leave out of here like

around——I got home at 6:30 yesterday, and, you know, so——

THE COURT: Okay. So then just keep in mind, I will

not have you stay beyond 2:45. Okay?

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JUROR: Okay.

THE COURT: All right. Thank you.

JUROR: Okay. Thank you.

(Discussion off the record)

THE COURT: So what I wanted to mention to you that I

didn't mention to you before is that when you have your break

from 11:30 to 12, we're going to provide a snack, and you can

use the cellphone at that time.

JUROR: Yeah, yeah, I did, which I did yesterday.

Yeah, I did——I went right away and used my cellphone. Yes.

Yes, if I have a problem, yes. Thank you.

THE COURT: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

(In open court)

THE COURT: No. 7 told me that her husband has

prostate cancer and that she didn't feel comfortable discussing

the subject matter with the attorneys yesterday but she wants

to accompany him on any medical appointments, and I pointed out

that we will be ending at 2:45 every day, I asked her if she

was comfortable going forward knowing that, she said yes, and

so I see no reason to excuse her.

All right, then. We are excusing No. 2, which means

that we are going to go through Juror No. 70.

All right. So I will hear first from the defense. Do

you have any peremptory challenges with respect to that first

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group through No. 70?

MR. KAMARAJU: Yes, your Honor. Just for the record,

we'd obviously renew our for-cause objections from before to

jurors 11, 15——

THE COURT: I'm having difficulty hearing you. Would

you put the microphone near you.

MR. KAMARAJU: I apologize. Thank you, your Honor. I

said just for the record, we would renew our for-cause

challenges to jurors 7, 11, 15, and 12 from yesterday, but in

terms of the peremptories that we're exercising today, 4, 7——

THE COURT: One second.

So No. 4 is defense peremptory No. 1.

MR. KAMARAJU: Yes, your Honor.

THE COURT: What's the next one?

MR. KAMARAJU: 5, your Honor.

THE COURT: No. 5. No. 5 is defense peremptory No. 2.

Go ahead.

MR. KAMARAJU: No. 7, your Honor.

THE COURT: No. 7 is defense peremptory No. 3. Go

ahead.

MR. KAMARAJU: No. 11, your Honor.

THE COURT: No. 11 is defense peremptory No. 4. Go

ahead.

MR. KAMARAJU: And our last one is No. 15, your Honor.

THE COURT: No. 15 is defense peremptory No. 5.

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Now we go to the prosecution.

MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, the government strikes 49.

THE COURT: Okay. So No. 49 is the government's

peremptory No. 1.

MR. FINKEL: Could we just have one second, your

Honor.

THE COURT: Yes.

MR. FINKEL: 69.

THE COURT: No. 69 is government peremptory No. 2.

MR. FINKEL: And No. 70, your Honor.

THE COURT: No. 70 is government peremptory No. 3.

And so you're saying that that is your last one?

MR. FINKEL: Yes.

THE COURT: Okay.

MR. FINKEL: For this one.

THE COURT: So that would make No. 10 Juror No. 1,

No. 34 Juror No. 2——is that incorrect?

MR. KAMARAJU: I think you may have skipped over 12.

THE COURT: No. 12? Did I skip No. 12? Oh, I'm

sorry. I did. So No. 12 is Juror No. 2; and then 34 is No. 3;

58, No. 4. And I think that's it. Are you in agreement?

MR. KAMARAJU: From the defense we are, your Honor.

MR. FINKEL: Yes, your Honor.

THE COURT: Okay. So are they preparing the panel?

THE LAW CLERK: Yes.

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THE COURT: We have about a hundred coming up.

All right, then. So I'll let you know when the panel

is ready.

MR. KAMARAJU: Thank you, your Honor.

(Recess)

THE COURT: You can be seated.

I was just informed that No. 58, who I believed to be

present, actually is not present and has stated that he or she

has a stomach flu and will be present tomorrow. I don't know

if that alters anyone's position.

MR. FINKEL: Not from the government.

MR. KAMARAJU: So just so we understand, so we would

not seat her on the jury and just bring up the next panel; is

that how that——

THE COURT: I don't think that that's what the

government is asking for. Is that what you're asking for?

MR. KAMARAJU: Well, I just know that if she has a

stomach flu, I know she hopes to be here tomorrow, but I don't

know we can count on her being here tomorrow.

THE COURT: That is a legitimate concern.

MR. KAMARAJU: So yes, we would ask that you not seat

her and let the parties proceed to the next panel with——I don't

know if that alters our strikes, but——

MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, the government's view would

be that of course the Court can impanel the jury tomorrow

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morning, and I would defer to the Court and the district staff

with respect to her viability——that's not the right word——for

her confidence in her belief that she could be here on Friday,

and if she feels she'll be up to it, I think we should take her

at her word; if she feels she'll still be sick and can't come

in, that's a different story.

MR. KAMARAJU: Then, your Honor, then we're stuck in a

position that you have one less alternate or juror than you

thought you had, instead of just addressing the issue now.

THE COURT: Yes. I don't think I can count on this

individual's claim.

MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, although——well, for one,

although——well, it's not ideal, obviously, if a juror doesn't

show up tomorrow, but that's why we have alternates. And of

course, look, if the Court feels that we should just sort of

take her off the jury and just move on to the next 12, the

government is not going to quibble with your Honor's

inclination, but if she does feel that she'll be in tomorrow, I

think we should accept that and move forward. That's the

government's view.

MR. KAMARAJU: So I'm assuming the government's

position is that we should move forward, from all of that. As

we've said, I don't think it would be ideal for the Court to

start off with one alternate down before the trial has even

started, so the safer course, from our position, is to simply

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remove her to and proceed to the next panel.

THE COURT: I'm going to do that. And so that means

that we only have three jurors. So I'm going to dismiss her,

No. 58.

All right.

MR. KAMARAJU: Thank you, your Honor.

(Recess)

THE COURT: I'm told that there's another juror who

wants to speak with me. It's the individual who was selected

as Juror No. 2, formerly Juror No. 12.

MR. KAMARAJU: I'm sorry, your Honor. It was the one

originally designated Juror No. 12?

THE COURT: The person who was yesterday known as

Juror No. 12.

I'm also told by the jury department that it is their

opinion that Juror No. 29 has cognitive difficulties, and so my

question is: Is there any objection to my excusing him?

MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense, your Honor.

MR. FINKEL: 29, your Honor?

THE COURT: That's the——

MR. FINKEL: Oh, is that one of the people who didn't

come back?

MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, he did come back. He came

back in the afternoon. I think he was——

THE COURT: He did come back.

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MS. SHROFF: He was escorted up by the jury clerk

because he was having difficulty, I believe, finding the floor.

MR. FINKEL: I was just clarifying whether he was

someone we considered this morning. I understand he was not.

No objection.

THE COURT: All right. So No. 29 is dismissed.

THE LAW CLERK: Counsel, your microphones tend to be

on so in the livestream they can hear you unless we mute all of

them, which I can do, so when we're on the record, obviously,

we want the microphones on, but during voir dire, we have

everything muted.

MR. FERGENSON: I think we're able to turn it off,

so——

THE LAW CLERK: This is being livestreamed into the

jury room as well as the overflow, so I just wanted you to be

aware of that.

MR. FERGENSON: Understood. Thank you.

THE COURT: We'll return when that juror arrives.

MR. KAMARAJU: Thank you, your Honor.

(Recess)

(Juror present in the courtroom)

THE COURT: Good morning.

JUROR: Good morning.

THE COURT: What number are you?

JUROR: 12.

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THE COURT: And what is it you wanted to tell me?

JUROR: So I have my——my parents are coming into town

in June. They haven't been here since 2015. And so I was

trying to plan something nice, and I made a reservation

June 18th through the 21st in Amagansett. And I checked

yesterday, it's nonrefundable, you know, a month before. Up to

a month before, it's refundable; after that, it's

nonrefundable. And I spent $4,185 on this trip that I would

have to——that I would lose, in addition to not, you know, being

able to, I guess, enjoy the time with my parents. But it

really is about the money and I guess the nonrefundability

about it.

THE COURT: When did you make those plans?

JUROR: In April.

THE COURT: And do you have proof of these

reservations?

JUROR: I do.

THE COURT: With you?

JUROR: Well, on my phone, which I don't have, but I'm

certainly willing to show you on my phone.

THE COURT: Well, I'm directing that you show me.

JUROR: Okay. Of course.

THE COURT: And I'm going to have you send an email to

the court email address, and my law clerks will give that to

you, and then I'll call you back into the courtroom.

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JUROR: Okay.

THE COURT: Why didn't you mention this yesterday?

JUROR: Because, again, getting to your——well, I

wanted to see if it was——if there was a way to cancel it,

but——so I wanted to check just in case, and so I didn't mention

it because maybe, you know, saying that you have a vacation

isn't, you know, a good enough reason. But then when I checked

and I realized that——quite frankly, I forgot how large of an

amount it was, and when I checked that it is nonrefundable,

that's why I brought it up today.

THE COURT: So was it just you and your parents going

to Amagansett or were there others involved?

JUROR: My wife.

THE COURT: All right. So you can retrieve your

cellphone and send that email, and then I'll call you back in.

Your cellphone is where?

JUROR: Downstairs.

THE COURT: Okay.

JUROR: Okay.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: So if it is the case that he made those

plans in April and whatever email comes through looks like it

is legitimate, what would be the parties' position?

MR. KAMARAJU: Well, I think it would be consistent

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have had preplanned travel to excuse him. I think that's what

we've been doing with all of the other jurors who had travel

planned before they were called for jury duty, who had already

paid for the accommodations and would suffer financial harm if

they didn't, so I think——yeah, for a personal reason, your

Honor. I'm sorry. Ms. Shroff is reminding me that in the

past, with the prospective jurors who had personal travel that

was preplanned, the Court has excused them, and so I think

No. 12 would be in that same boat.

MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, the government shares what I

believe to be the Court's frustration that this juror didn't

mention this obvious conflict yesterday. I think it would have

saved the parties' time. Being that we're here, if he has a

$4,000 vacation planned that he can't move, no objection.

THE COURT: All right. So when I see the

documentation, I'll let you know.

MR. KAMARAJU: Thank you, your Honor.

(Recess)

THE COURT: So I have the reservation, which indicates

that it was made on April 16th of this year and that it's for

three nights on June 18th, 19th, and 20th, so if he were

required to serve, he would miss the vacation.

Any further comments?

MR. FERGENSON: No, your Honor. Thank you.

THE COURT: Okay. So I am going to excuse him.

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If you'll have the juror brought back in, please.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: You may be seated.

Thank you for sending the email. I see that you would

have to miss your vacation if you were to serve as a juror, and

so I'm going to excuse you.

JUROR: Thank you, your Honor.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: So that is going to mean that No. 34 is

now No. 2.

I'm told that the second panel is outside. I'm told

that No. 14 from yesterday is now here and so I'll put him at

the very end, seat him as the last person.

All right. If we can have the panel brought in.

(Jury venire present)

(Jury venire sworn)

THE LAW CLERK: Thank you.

I will now be calling you by the number that you were

given downstairs. The judge's law clerks will be confirming

that your identity, your name matches up with the jury number

that we have and that you have and usher you to your seats. At

no time in open court will your name be used on the record.

Juror 101, please come forward.

Juror 102, please come forward.

To the extent you are one of the earlier numbers in

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the 100 to 200 range, please make your way closer to the front

of the courtroom, if that's possible. I know it is a tight

squeeze at the moment.

Juror 103, please come forward.

Juror 104, please come forward.

Juror 105, please come forward.

Juror 106, please come forward.

Juror 107, please come forward.

Juror 108, please come forward.

Juror 109, please come forward.

Juror 110, please come forward.

Juror 111, please come forward.

Juror 112, please come forward.

Juror 113, please come forward.

Juror 114, please come forward.

Juror 115, please come forward.

Juror 116, please come forward.

(Pause)

THE LAW CLERK: Juror 116, please come forward.

Juror 117, please come forward.

Juror 118, please come forward.

Juror 119, please come forward.

Juror 120, please come forward.

Juror 121, please come forward.

Juror 122, please come forward.

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Juror 123, please come forward.

Juror 124, please come forward.

Juror 125, please come forward.

Juror 126, please come forward.

(Pause)

THE LAW CLERK: Juror 126, please come forward.

Juror 127, please come forward.

Juror 128, please come forward.

(Pause)

THE LAW CLERK: Juror 128, please come forward.

Juror 129, please come forward.

Juror 130, please come forward.

Juror 131, please come forward.

Juror 132, please come forward.

Juror 133, please come forward.

Juror 134, please come forward.

Juror 135, please come forward.

Juror 136, please come forward.

Juror 137, please come forward.

Juror 138, please come forward.

Juror 139, please come forward.

Juror 140, please come forward.

Juror 141, please come forward.

Juror 142, please come forward.

Juror 143, please come forward.

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Juror 145, please come forward.

Juror 146, please come forward.

Juror 147, please come forward.

Juror 148, please come forward.

Juror 149, please come forward.

Juror 150, please come forward.

Juror 151, please come forward.

Juror 152, please come forward.

Juror 153, please come forward.

Juror 153, the bench to my right.

Juror 154, please come forward.

Juror 155, please come forward.

Juror 156, please come forward.

Juror 157, please come forward.

Juror 158, please come forward.

Juror 159, please come forward.

Juror 160, please come forward.

Juror 161, please come forward.

Juror 162, please come forward.

Juror 163, please come forward.

Juror 164, please come forward.

Juror 165, please come forward.

Juror 166, please come forward.

Juror 167, please come forward.

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Juror 168, please come forward.

Juror 169, please come forward.

Juror 170, please come forward.

Juror 171, please come forward.

Juror 172, please come forward.

Juror 173, please come forward.

Juror 174, please come forward.

Juror 175, please come forward.

Juror 176, please come forward.

Juror 177, please come forward.

Juror 178, please come forward.

Juror 179, please come forward.

Juror 180, please come forward.

Juror 181, please come forward.

Juror 182, please come forward.

Juror 183, please come forward.

Juror 184, please come forward.

Juror 185, please come forward.

Juror 186, please come forward.

Juror 187, please come forward.

Juror 188, please come forward.

Juror 189, please come forward.

Juror 190, please come forward.

Juror 191, please come forward.

Juror 192, please come forward.

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Juror 193, please come forward.

Juror 194, please come forward.

Juror 195, please come forward.

Juror 196, please come forward.

Juror 197, please come forward.

Juror 198, please come forward.

Juror 199, please come forward.

Juror 200, please come forward.

Juror 201, please come forward.

Juror 202, please come forward.

Juror 14, please come forward.

Juror 203, please come forward.

Juror 204, please come forward.

THE COURT: Good morning.

THE JURORS: Good morning.

THE COURT: My name is Analisa Torres. I'm the judge

who will be handling this trial. We're here this morning to

select a jury in a criminal case, which is titled

United States

v. Miles Guo.

Through this process, we will choose the 12 jurors and

six alternate jurors who will hear and decide the case.

Trial is expected to last about seven weeks, but it's

impossible to predict the exact length of the trial.

Today you'll be required to be here until 5 p.m. If

we do not finish selecting a jury today, you will be required

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to be here from 9 a.m. sharp to 5 p.m. tomorrow.

After jury selection, our schedule will be as follows:

You'll be required to be in the courtroom from 9:30 a.m. to

2:45 p.m., with a break from 11:30 a.m. to 12 p.m. So once a

jury is selected, if you're on the jury, the schedule is,

you'll be here starting at 9:30 sharp, you'll leave at

2:45 p.m., and there will be a break between 11:30 a.m. and

12 p.m.

The jury selection process is intended to make sure

that we have a jury of citizens who will decide the issues in

this case fairly and impartially, and without any bias or

prejudice in favor of or against either side. In order to do

that, I'm going to ask certain questions about your personal

background, your family, some of your beliefs and attitudes

about certain matters, how you are employed, and so forth. You

should understand my questioning is not intended to pry into

your lives but to make sure that we select fair and impartial

jurors——that is, jurors who will be free from preconceived

notions or prejudice that might prevent them from returning a

fair and just verdict, based solely on the evidence or lack of

evidence.

If for any reason you are unable to serve as a fair

and impartial juror, it is your duty to inform me. In

responding to my questions, it is important that you not say in

open court anything about the parties in this case or about any

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other matter that might tend to impair the open-mindedness and

fairness of the other jurors. If a question calls for a yes or

no answer, simply answer yes or no. If there are further

matters that you believe should be disclosed but that might

tend to influence the other jurors, you may ask to approach the

bench to discuss them.

If you are selected to serve, you will be provided

light refreshments in the morning and a light snack during the

lunch break each day.

As I said, this is a criminal case. The defendant,

Miles Guo, has been charged with committing 12 federal crimes

in a document called an indictment. The indictment itself is

not evidence. It simply contains the charges that the

government is required to prove to the satisfaction of the jury

beyond a reasonable doubt. I will instruct the jury on what

this burden of proof means after the evidence is presented.

The defendant has denied the charges and has pleaded

not guilty.

I have no knowledge of the facts of this case and

nothing that I say is evidence. I will, however, briefly

discuss the charges so that you'll understand the reason for

certain questions, and so that we can determine whether there

is anything about the charges that would make it impossible for

you to serve as a fair and impartial juror.

Of course, those of you selected to sit on the jury

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will receive a detailed explanation of the charges at the

conclusion of the case.

Before I start asking questions, I will explain why

each of you has been assigned a number and will be called by

your number only. This case will be tried before a partially

anonymous jury. The names of the jurors and of all of you who

are seated here are not going to be announced publicly. I, the

court administrators, the defendant, defense counsel, the

prosecution, and my law clerks will know your names, but again,

that will not be shared with the public. Jurors who are

ultimately selected can share their names with each other, but

in open court, no juror will ever be referenced by their name.

This case has attracted media attention, and that is

likely to continue. The purpose of using a partially anonymous

jury in this trial is to protect all of you from any unwanted

attention and invasion of your privacy, and to ensure that

nothing transpires that might interfere with your impartial and

objective study of the evidence and the application of the law.

I am now going to tell you briefly about the charges

in this case.

The indictment consists of 12 charges, or counts. The

government alleges that the defendant operated four fraudulent

investment schemes as part of a criminal enterprise. The term

"criminal enterprise" is also referred to as a racketeering or

RICO enterprise.

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Count One charges the defendant with conspiracy to

operate a criminal enterprise.

Counts Two, Three, and Four charge the defendant with

conspiracy to commit wire fraud, bank fraud, securities fraud,

and money laundering offenses.

Counts Five and Six charge the defendant with

securities fraud and wire fraud in connection with a private

stock offering for a media company known as GTV.

Counts Seven and Eight charge the defendant with wire

fraud and securities fraud in connection with loans made to a

group known as the Himalaya Farm Alliance.

Counts Nine and Ten charge the defendant with wire

fraud and securities fraud in connection with a lifestyle

membership company known as G Clubs.

Count Eleven charges the defendant with wire fraud in

connection with the Himalaya Exchange, which some have

described as a cryptocurrency ecosystem.

Finally, Count Twelve charges the defendant with

making a $100 million wire transfer using money derived from a

crime.

The defendant has pleaded not guilty and is presumed

innocent of these charges unless and until he is proven guilty

beyond a reasonable doubt under rules that I will describe as

we proceed. I briefly discuss the charges not for the purpose

of giving you any instruction but only so that you will have

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them in mind as we go through jury selection.

I am now going to ask some questions of the entire

group. If you prefer not to give your answer in public, just

let me know, and the lawyers and I will hear you at the bench.

If you have a yes answer to any of these questions, please

raise your hand so that I and my staff can see who you are,

then I will either discuss your yes answer with you in open

court or ask you to come over to the sidebar and speak with me

and the attorneys in private. It is important that each of you

not discuss among yourselves any questions that I ask.

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THE COURT: After we have reviewed a number of general

questions together as a group, then I will ask each of you

concerning your own individual backgrounds.

During the questioning, you may be excused from

serving as a juror in this case. If you happen to be excused,

do not consider that a reflection on you personally. This is

all part of our system of justice, which is intended to provide

a fair and impartial jury for both sides. You will have done

your duty by your presence and your readiness to serve.

Do any of you have a problem with your hearing or

vision that would prevent you from serving as a juror?

JUROR: Yes, my vision has changed.

THE COURT: If you'll just wait one moment.

If you'll say your number.

JUROR: My number is 117. And my vision has changed.

And I don't have glasses that currently reflect what my vision

is. I can see up close with my glasses, but otherwise things

are blurry.

THE COURT: Can you see the court reporter, the

stenographer, who is there with the black jacket and a red

shirt?

JUROR: I can see her and she's blurry, but I can see

her.

THE COURT: Okay. Anything else?

JUROR: About my vision?

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THE COURT: Vision or hearing?

JUROR: Oh, no, no. Nothing else.

THE COURT: Okay. Anyone else?

Are any of why you taking any medications or do you

have any health-related problems that would prevent you from

serving as a juror?

All right. You may step up.

Counsel.

(At sidebar)

THE COURT: With regard to No. 117, she says her

vision is blurry. Is there anyone who'd object to my excusing

her?

MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense, your Honor.

MR. FINKEL: No objection.

THE COURT: Okay. So No. 117 is dismissed.

All right. So let's have the first individual come

forward.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: All right, then, sir. What is your

number?

JUROR: 103.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: I've been told by my doctors this week I have

a possible heart condition and a battery of tests starting next

week. I have a family history of it. My dad just had a triple

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bypass, so it's something where considering the length of this

trial, very concerned that I'd have to wait that long to do

these tests.

THE COURT: Are you saying that you had a triple

bypass?

JUROR: My father did.

THE COURT: Your father did?

JUROR: A family history, yes.

THE COURT: So if you're selected for the jury, we

stop every day at 2:45; and so you would be able to go to

appointments in the late afternoon. Would that be --

JUROR: I mean, I don't know what kind of delays -- I

know we've already had schedules for things first thing in the

morning next week. I don't know if they're able to reschedule

them. I know the length of this trial is TBD, so I don't know

how --

THE COURT: So I'll ask you to step back. Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing him?

MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

THE COURT: Okay.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi. Would you tell me your number.

JUROR: 154.

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THE COURT: And what's your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what's the problem?

JUROR: So I had a stroke like three weeks ago. And I

have multiple appointments coming up in June because they don't

know the cause of the stroke.

THE COURT: All right. I'm sorry to hear that. And I

wish you a very swift recovery.

JUROR: Thank you.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Was that 154?

MS. MURRAY: Yes, your Honor.

THE COURT: Any objection to her being excused?

MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?

JUROR: 121.

THE COURT: And what is your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXX.

THE COURT: XXXXXXX?

JUROR: XXXXX.

THE COURT: What is your problem?

JUROR: I can't sit or stand for long periods of time

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because I have two herniated disks and a side joint dysfunction

due to a joint disorder.

THE COURT: All righty. Well, hope that you recover

from that. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 121?

MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: All righty, sir. What is your number?

JUROR: 138.

THE COURT: 138. And what is your name?

JUROR: Heriberto Sanchez Soto.

THE COURT: What is the problem?

JUROR: I had an injury in my shoulder. And I'm

undergoing physical therapy three times a week. And I usually

do it at 8 in the morning until 9 o'clock, so probably getting

here would be an issue by 9:30.

THE COURT: So we are stopping every day at 2:45.

Could you do it in the afternoon?

JUROR: I will see if I could change the schedule to

do it at 5 or -- they're open until -- I think 6 is their last

appointment they take.

THE COURT: Okay. And again, your number again?

JUROR: 138.

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THE COURT: Okay. All right. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Okay. So we'll see what happens with him.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi. Your number please?

JUROR: 165.

THE COURT: And what is your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: I have epilepsy. And I take medication that

interferes with short-term memory and word retrieval.

THE COURT: Understood. All righty.

Thank you. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing No.

165?

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?

JUROR: 170.

THE COURT: And what is your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what's the problem?

JUROR: So I have PE, which is a pulmonary embolism;

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and DVT, which is one in the upper body, one in the leg. I

take medication three times a day, which is an injection, a

blood thinner injection. And basically, being stationary for

long periods of time is not really helpful, causes clots, which

I do have a clot in my leg right now. But I still have to come

because I would be in the hospital as of right now.

THE COURT: All right, sir. I hope you get better.

You may step back.

JUROR: It's a lifetime thing, so thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 170?

MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?

JUROR: 171.

THE COURT: What is your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What's the problem?

JUROR: Endometriosis. I was recently diagnosed with

it last month. I have a biopsy for it next month.

THE COURT: So we stop every day at 2:45. Can you

schedule the biopsy for the afternoon?

JUROR: I can, but the -- as well as the -- sorry.

The pain that I have makes me debilitated for like two to three

days on end. So sometimes I'm not able to even get out of my

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bed at times.

THE COURT: All right. Well, I'm hoping that you get

better.

JUROR: Thank you.

THE COURT: All right. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 171?

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi. What is your number?

JUROR: 159.

THE COURT: And what is your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What's the problem?

JUROR: I'm prescribed a controlled substance by my

doctor for ADHD; and it needs to be taken at certain times

throughout the day. I'm worried that with the Court's

schedule, I wouldn't be able to maintain that schedule without

taking my medication throughout the day.

THE COURT: When is it that you need to take it?

JUROR: 8, 11 and 1 -- 8, 11, and 2.

THE COURT: So if I see to it that you're able to take

it at those times, would you be able to serve?

JUROR: Yeah.

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THE COURT: All right, then. Your number again?

JUROR: 159.

THE COURT: Okay. Thank you.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

MS. SHROFF: Did you want to ask him if there are any

effects to the narcotics substance? I'm happy to leave it, I'm

just suggesting if you want.

THE COURT: All right. We can bring him back.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi. This medication that you're taking,

would that have any effect on your ability to function in the

courtroom?

JUROR: I dehydrate a little bit, I need a little

water; but, I mean, it's just for my focus.

THE COURT: So with the medication you're able to

focus normally?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Okay. Thank you.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: All right.

So I see no reason to dismiss him.

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.

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(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi. Your number, please?

JUROR: 134.

THE COURT: And what is your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: So I am in a clinical trial for multiple

myeloma. It's a form of blood cancer. So I'm in a clinical

trial. And so I have to draw blood samples periodically, I go

to get tested at MSK.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing No.

134?

MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?

JUROR: 111.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: Okay. I found that over the last couple of

years, I find that I have to go to the bathroom much more

frequently than I used to. But since I went to the bathroom

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about an hour ago, and now I have to go again. And I'm

wondering if that's going to disrupt the proceedings.

THE COURT: So would you say that you need to go every

hour?

JUROR: It varies. It's not a set schedule. It's

just I have to go way more often than I used to.

THE COURT: I'm trying to determine if you were a

juror, when I would need to give a break for you to go, that's

what I'm thinking about.

JUROR: I can't give a definite answer.

THE COURT: So if I said I'm going to give you a break

once an hour?

JUROR: I suppose that would do.

THE COURT: You suppose?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: But you're not certain?

JUROR: Not certain.

THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing No.

111?

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What's your number?

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JUROR: 116.

THE COURT: And would you tell me your name, please.

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: I'm in mental health treatment about three

times a week for anxiety and an eating disorder. I have a

letter from my therapist. I didn't know if I should bring it

up right now or not, but --

THE COURT: Yes. Can I see the letter?

JUROR: Other hardship things, too, but I think

it's -- she's concerned and I'm concerned that jury duty is

going to put me over the edge.

THE COURT: All right. I have an email from Christine

Speare to Melissa Halligan -- I'm sorry, Melissa Halligan to

Christine Speare. And Dr. Halligan identifies herself as a

Ph.D. clinical psychologist at 353 Central Park West.

It says: This letter will serve to confirm that

Ms. Christine Speare is currently in mental health treatment

with Dr. Melissa Halligan to address an anxiety disorder.

Ms. Speare has indicated to me that serving on a jury at this

time would put her under significant stress, exacerbating her

anxiety disorder.

All right. Thank you for letting us know.

JUROR: Okay. Okay.

THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.

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(Juror not present)

THE COURT: What number was that?

MS. SHROFF: 116.

THE COURT: All right.

No objection to my excusing her?

MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello?

JUROR: Hi.

THE COURT: You're No. 151?

JUROR: 151.

THE COURT: And what is your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: I take medication for high blood pressure and

anxiety.

THE COURT: Okay. So would either of those things

prevent you from being a fair and impartial juror?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: So you would be able to sit through

courtroom testimony?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: And nothing about being a juror is going

to make any of your health problems worse?

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JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Okay, then. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: So I see no reason to excuse No. 151.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What number are you?

JUROR: 150.

THE COURT: And what is your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: Okay. It's more like a question.

I have some medical appointments. And I was just

wondering if that will interfere. My son has to do a procedure

next month; and I have to go with him to pick him up after the

procedure.

THE COURT: Do you know what time the procedure is?

JUROR: June 12th.

THE COURT: What time of day?

JUROR: That I don't know. He just told me the 12th.

THE COURT: Do you have an idea of when you would have

to pick him up?

JUROR: Whenever the procedure is over. But I don't

know -- I could find out.

THE COURT: Okay. Is that the only issue --

JUROR: And, okay, do I need to read anything during

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the hearing? Because --

THE COURT: You'll have to read during the trial.

JUROR: I'm having issue with my eyes. I had cataract

surgery, and now I'm having aftereffects. So I went to the

doctor, the specialist. And on the 30th I got to go back for

him to see why I keep on having an infection -- not infection,

my eyes keep getting inflamed. So I have an appointment on the

30th.

THE COURT: So are you saying that at this time you

can't read?

JUROR: I can read some things, but I can't see

every -- everything. It's a little bit blurry.

THE COURT: Okay. All right. Thank you.

You may step back.

JUROR: Okay. Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Is that 150?

MR. KAMARAJU: Yes.

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing her?

MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?

JUROR: 155.

THE COURT: And your name, please?

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JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: I see a kidney specialist every month. And my

son, he's got cerebral palsy, goes to physical therapy twice a

week.

THE COURT: And you take him?

JUROR: Yes. I'm a single parent.

THE COURT: All right. You can step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: No objection to my excusing No. 155?

MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

JUROR: Good morning. Juror 167.

THE COURT: 167. And what is your name, sir?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: I take medication for my blood pressure,

diabetes and cholesterol. And I can't take them in the

mornings coming here because it makes me use the bathroom. I

take them at night.

Yesterday I was coming, I almost had an episode on the

stairs, climbing the stairs. It's just too hard for me. I

felt like I was having a heart attack climbing the stairs if I

don't take my medicine. I have to take them in the morning,

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but I can't because I need to go to the bathroom. I don't know

what to do.

THE COURT: All righty. Thank you for letting me

know. You can step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: 167.

MR. KAMARAJU: Yes, your Honor.

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing him?

MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?

JUROR: 179.

THE COURT: And what is the issue?

I'm sorry, before you tell me that, what is your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: I'm sorry. Would you tell me your number

once more?

JUROR: 179.

THE COURT: Go ahead.

JUROR: Two things:

I have chronic debilitating migraines, awful; on the

floor foaming at the mouth. They usually have about a

six-to-15-day spread in between the two of them. I've been

tracking it with Bons Secours Neurology. And I'm worried that

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one is going to happen and it's going to be a problem.

Two, I'm currently working third shift at my job and

being awake is proving very difficult.

THE COURT: Thank you for letting me know.

I hope your condition improves.

JUROR: Me, too.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing 179?

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

MR. BARKAN: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?

JUROR: 196.

THE COURT: Okay. And what's the problem?

JUROR: I have hypertension. So I'm taking five

milligrams of Amlodipine for hypertension.

THE COURT: Okay. That is a standard medication.

Would this condition that you have interfere with your

ability to sit as a juror in this case?

JUROR: I don't think so.

THE COURT: All righty.

So is that all you wanted to tell me?

JUROR: Yes, that's all. That's all I'm taking.

THE COURT: Tell me your name.

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

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THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: I see no reason to excuse her.

MR. KAMARAJU: Agreed, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: Agree.

THE COURT: I have to tell you that in my 13 years as

a state judge, I never saw this volume of ill people.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Sir, what is your number?

JUROR: 200.

THE COURT: And your name, sir?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what's the problem?

JUROR: Well, I'm going through vascular tests,

testing right now for my diabetes, and mobility issue. Taking

the train, going up and down the stairs, is a problem for me.

THE COURT: So you feel it is physically difficult for

you to make it to court?

JUROR: Right now, yeah. Well, when I go to work, I

drive there; but to take the subway to get here and going up

and down the stairs is difficult for me.

THE COURT: Okay. And you said that you were number?

JUROR: 200.

THE COURT: Okay. All right. So you can step back.

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(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 200?

MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello there. What number are you?

JUROR: 203.

THE COURT: And your name, please?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: I have M.S., and I've been symptomatic as of

late. So I'm here because I actually have appointments next

week with my neurologist to talk through it. So I don't

know -- I don't know if this was the right line for me to get

on, but the point is is that I've been symptomatic and I have

upcoming appointments to figure out what we're going to do

about it.

THE COURT: So when you say that you've been

symptomatic, are those symptoms that would interfere with you

serving as a juror?

JUROR: I think so. I have dizziness and I also have

a little bit of brain fog. So it's been high end as of late.

THE COURT: All righty. You said that you are 203?

JUROR: I am.

THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.

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(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 203?

MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

THE COURT: Is that it?

MR. KAMARAJU: Yup.

Maybe we'll get to the weddings next.

MS. SHROFF: She's young.

THE COURT: All righty. Let's keep going.

(In open court)

THE COURT: Do any of you have trouble understanding

or reading English?

All right. If you'll step up, sir.

(At sidebar)

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello, sir. What is your number?

JUROR: 139.

THE COURT: 139.

JUROR: Yeah.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: My English is not enough to understand what

you saying.

THE COURT: Okay. What is your name, sir?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what do you do for a living?

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JUROR: Just a worker.

THE COURT: What kind of work do you do?

JUROR: Warehouse.

THE COURT: Okay. And what do you do at the

warehouse?

JUROR: Just stock, stock setup.

THE COURT: You do stock.

Okay. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing No.

139?

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

MS. SHROFF: No.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. Would you tell me your number,

please.

JUROR: 201.

THE COURT: And what is your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: The problem is that, first of all, I can read,

but to understand, I don't understand everything, and especial

the words what the people use in court.

THE COURT: Did you understand everything that I said?

JUROR: Yes.

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THE COURT: And what do you do for a living?

JUROR: I'm a computer programmer.

THE COURT: And where do you work?

JUROR: I work for Department of Education.

THE COURT: The city or --

JUROR: City.

THE COURT: And what is your educational background?

JUROR: I'm a musician.

THE COURT: All right. You're a musician.

So do you have a college degree?

JUROR: I do have a college degree in Russia.

THE COURT: In Russia. Okay.

What is your instrument?

JUROR: Violin.

THE COURT: That's wonderful.

So you're saying that you would feel uncomfortable in

the courtroom, is that what you're telling me?

JUROR: I don't know if I feel comfortable or

uncomfortable. But if I don't understand something which is

really important, I cannot be a juror on the case like this

because this is important case. That's what I feel.

THE COURT: But you've told me that you have

understood everything that I said.

JUROR: Yes. No, now. Before, not everything.

THE COURT: Not everything before?

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JUROR: Not everything.

THE COURT: Okay. All right, then.

You can step back. Thank you.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing No.

201?

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

(In open court)

THE COURT: If a witness testified in a language that

you know and an interpreter translates the testimony, would any

of you not be able to rely exclusively on the interpreter's

translation of the testimony?

The trial in this case is estimated to last a total of

about seven weeks, that is, until approximately July 12th. We

will not be in session on federal holidays, nor will court be

in session on the following dates:

Monday, May 27th; Wednesday, June 19th; Friday, June

28th; Monday, July 1st; Thursday, July 4th; and Friday, July

5th.

Keeping in mind your civic duty to serve as a juror,

is there anything about the length of the trial that would make

it an extreme hardship for you to serve as a juror?

(At sidebar)

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(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello, sir. Your number?

JUROR: Juror 101.

THE COURT: And your name, please.

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: I have to be in California for work the 12th

through the 15th of June. And then besides that, my son is a

ninja athlete, and he's got a world ninja competition in

Greensboro, North Carolina. We've already booked hotels and

everything. And that's June -- starts, like, June 20th and can

go through the 25th, depending on how he has performed.

THE COURT: All righty. So you may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing 101?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello.

JUROR: 103.

THE COURT: Yes.

JUROR: I am a project manager for an investment bank,

and I have a few different deadlines in the next few weeks,

including some work for the SEC, AML, anti-motion

in limine

THE COURT: You may step back.

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(Juror not present)

THE COURT: He's already been excused.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Sir, what is your number?

JUROR: 111.

THE COURT: You may step back.

(Juror not present)

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi. What is your number?

JUROR: 109.

THE COURT: What is your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What is the problem?

JUROR: I'm a primary caretaker of a two-year-old.

Just numerous doctors' appointments, things like that.

THE COURT: There's no one who can fill in for you?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing her?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello again. What is your number?

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JUROR: 116.

THE COURT: 116. All right. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?

JUROR: 112.

THE COURT: What is your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What is the problem?

JUROR: I have two children; one is 15, the other one

is 11. The 15 depends on me a lot. He has behavior issues.

So I have to be, you know, catering to him and my 11-year-old

daughter. And, you know, it's really difficult.

THE COURT: When you say behavior problems, does he

have a diagnosis?

JUROR: Yes, he does. He has ADD and he has conduct

disorder.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 112?

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Sir, what is your number?

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JUROR: 114. Adelso Tavares.

THE COURT: What's the issue?

JUROR: I recently bought a house. And I also have a

child going to university. And I also help my sister with her

rent, so she's having financial issues. So I have a lot of

pressure on my back to complete my mortgage and help out family

members.

THE COURT: Are you saying that serving as a juror

would be a financial hardship?

JUROR: I'm the main breadwinner of the house.

THE COURT: Are you saying that you would not be paid

if you're on a jury?

JUROR: No. So my way of being paid is not enough to

be able to cover any of my expenses for the house or helping

out my family members.

THE COURT: All right. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing 114?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?

JUROR: 118.

THE COURT: And your name, please?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

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THE COURT: What's the problem?

JUROR: It would be a financial hardship for me. I am

an account executive at a drug company. They don't pay for any

jury duty. And I am expecting a baby 1/18, so six months. So

it's a hardship. I won't be able to recoup the money because

of the length of the trial. And I'm the sole financial person

in my household.

THE COURT: All right, then. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

Any objection to my excusing No. 118?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Your number?

JUROR: 123.

THE COURT: Your name?

JUROR: XXXX.

THE COURT: Full name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What is the problem?

JUROR: So a couple things.

I have a physical therapy practice on the Upper East

Side. If I leave for that kind of period of time, I have

patients that have already started plans of care. It sets me

up to basically be sued for patient abandonment. Because my

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other therapist who works with me already has a full schedule.

I can't transfer anybody over. Like last night and tonight,

I'm leaving court to go treat from 5 to 8 p.m. to try and make

sure that the people get in in the short term. Big picture, if

you take that kind of revenue away from my business for the

next seven weeks, you could legitimately make me go bankrupt.

THE COURT: You may step back.

(Juror not present)

Any objection to my excusing No. 123?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

THE COURT: All right. Who's next?

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?

JUROR: 122.

THE COURT: And your name, please?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What's the problem?

JUROR: I have a three-year-old in preschool, and I

have a six-year-old in kindergarten, and I come from

Westchester. I drop my son off at school at 8:40, my daughter

off at 9. I'm the one that gets them ready for school in the

morning and drop them off.

In order to be here on time for six weeks, I would

have to find someone to be able to get them ready and drop them

off, which I'm not able to do so.

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THE COURT: All righty. You said you were 122?

JUROR: Yes, ma'am.

THE COURT: All right. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 122?

MS. SHROFF: No.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?

JUROR: 142 -- hold on. 124.

THE COURT: 124. And what is your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: I didn't have any -- I didn't really hear what

you said.

THE COURT: Do you have problems with your hearing?

JUROR: No, the concentrating.

THE COURT: So are you saying that you didn't

understand what I said?

JUROR: It was I didn't hear the whole thing you said.

THE COURT: Okay. All righty. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing 124?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

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MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?

JUROR: 121.

THE COURT: And did you say 121?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Oh, yes. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

(Juror present)

JUROR: 120.

THE COURT: And your name, please?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What's the problem?

JUROR: Oh, your Honor, I'm a nurse at the Memorial

Sloan Kettering; and I do direct patient care. It would be a

burden for me and my coworkers if I would be out for the next

seven weeks.

THE COURT: Are there other nurses at Memorial Sloan

Kettering?

JUROR: Yes, but my team work on short staff as it is.

So seven weeks might be too much.

THE COURT: And what happens if you get hit by a truck

today?

JUROR: Oh, well, they can handle it.

THE COURT: They'll be able to handle it?

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JUROR: Yes. I hope not -- I won't be --

THE COURT: Of course. I certainly hope not.

And so you will be paid by MSK while you're on jury

duty; is that right?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Okay. No reason to excuse her.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?

JUROR: 119.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What's the problem?

JUROR: Problem is that my employer only pays me for

five weeks of jury duty. And my bills are significantly higher

than what the court can pay. So I am stressed that I may not

be paid for six or seven weeks.

THE COURT: So you're saying it would be a financial

hardship?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: All right. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: No objection to my excusing No. 119?

MS. SHROFF: No.

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MS. MURRAY: No.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Sir, what is your number?

JUROR: 102.

THE COURT: And tell me your name, please.

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: Okay. And what is the problem?

JUROR: Tomorrow I have doctor appointment, and then

I'm Uber driver. If I am not working, I have no money. I have

three kids in college.

THE COURT: And so this would be a financial hardship?

JUROR: Yeah.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing 102?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Sir, your number, please?

125. Okay. And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: Okay. And what is the problem?

JUROR: My wife is a CNA and often gets called in to

do afternoon shifts, as well as evening shifts. And it even

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happened yesterday. So there was a time at which my child, who

is a minor, had to be home alone. And for that -- that

frequently happens at her job. And she is called to go to an

elder care facility and cover.

And the thought of six or seven weeks where my son's

going to be alone at home is very concerning. And sometimes

when he has been at home some bad things have happened. So

lifting weights, he broke the glass in the wall unit. He tried

cooking and burned the section on the --

THE COURT: I understand your concern, sir.

You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 125?

MS. SHROFF: No.

MS. MURRAY: Your Honor, I was just curious how old

his child is. He said his child is a minor. And also whether

that potential juror has a job, is employed during the day,

such that it would be consistent with our schedule.

THE COURT: Bring back the other person.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: So you mentioned that your son was lifting

weights. And you also said that he's a minor. How old is he?

JUROR: He's 17 -- 16. He just turned 16.

THE COURT: And at the age of 16, typically teenagers

are able to stay at home by themselves. So why is it that

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you're concerned?

JUROR: He tends to get in a lot of trouble.

THE COURT: Like what?

JUROR: Like breaking stuff around the house.

THE COURT: Does he have a diagnosis?

JUROR: No, but he -- you know, he thinks like he's 21

and he could do things that grown people can do.

THE COURT: So you're saying that he's misbehaving?

JUROR: Well, at times. But he's still -- he's 16,

he's still a minor.

THE COURT: And what do you do for a living?

JUROR: I'm director of human resources.

THE COURT: Where?

JUROR: At the Mosholu Montefiore Community Center.

We're located in the Bronx. We serve 35,000 people in the

Bronx and Upper Manhattan every year, ranging from one year old

to 101 years of old. I am responsible for approximately 1,000

staff, 225 are full-time. I have one assistant.

THE COURT: And in such a senior position, you'll be

paid if you're serving as a juror, right?

JUROR: Oh, yes.

THE COURT: Okay. If you'll step back, please.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Okay. I agree. I don't believe that he

should be excused.

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MR. KAMARAJU: That's fine, your Honor. I just think

you may run into a situation where this comes up later.

THE COURT: No. I mean, he looks like a person who is

disinclined to serve. And I appreciate your bringing up the

age issue. We'll have to see.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: What number are you?

JUROR: 126.

THE COURT: And what is your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXX.

THE COURT: Your last name?

JUROR: XXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: I have a close family member who is getting

married on June 26. And I'm the maid of honor, so I would like

to be part of the day.

I also have -- my grandmother is coming from overseas,

who is 96. And she asked me if I could take some time off to

spend with her since she's of old age.

THE COURT: So what day does the 26th fall on?

JUROR: Wednesday.

THE COURT: And where is the wedding taking place?

JUROR: Connecticut.

THE COURT: And what time of day?

JUROR: I think it's around 4 or 5. I'm not sure.

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THE COURT: So we stop at 2:45.

JUROR: Okay.

THE COURT: You can get to Connecticut in time for a 5

o'clock wedding.

JUROR: Okay.

THE COURT: And your grandmother, there are other

members of your household that she can be with?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Okay. All right. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: See no reason to excuse her.

MS. SHROFF: I think she's scared of you, to be

honest, your Honor.

THE COURT: That's a good thing.

MS. SHROFF: I don't know. I think grandmothers and

being a maid of honor, to have to schlep there at 3:45, I'd let

her go. But I leave it up to you.

THE COURT: Do you agree she should be excused?

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor. We think she should

remain on the panel.

THE COURT: Okay. Let's go.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. Your number, sir?

JUROR: 127.

THE COURT: And your name?

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JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what's the problem?

JUROR: I have travel plans either the 7th or the 8th,

14th or 15th, I forgot which weekend.

But also, I'm an attorney. I had two motions on for

this week that I kicked out once already to late June. Judge

is only giving me two adjournments.

THE COURT: Oh, we can take care of that.

JUROR: I know. I'm just telling you.

And then I have something on the trial calendar in

Nassau in July, which I'm not really worried about that. But

it's the two motions I'm worried about.

THE COURT: Oh, okay. So let's put that aside.

JUROR: Okay.

THE COURT: These travel plans, you're using a plane

for the travel plans?

JUROR: I am.

THE COURT: Okay. And you've made those reservations,

you paid for it or no?

JUROR: Yeah. It's complicated.

THE COURT: I might ask you for those for proof of

that.

JUROR: Private. Private. Private.

THE COURT: Private plane?

JUROR: Private, yes.

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THE COURT: Well, is it your private plane?

JUROR: No, it's not.

THE COURT: Okay. But you have a definite invitation

to be on someone else's private plane?

JUROR: Yes. I'm not sure it's the 7th/8th,

14th/15th, one of those two weekends. I forget off the top of

my head.

THE COURT: And so when would you be gone, the Friday?

JUROR: Thursday/Friday, one of those two weeks.

THE COURT: Okay. You can step back.

JUROR: Okay. Thank you. Sorry for the confusion,

but I just forgot which weekend off the top of my head.

Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: So the 7th and the 8th, I can't

remember --

MR. FINKEL: Is he saying June or July?

MR. KAMARAJU: I understood him to say June.

MR. FINKEL: He said June.

MR. FERGENSON: That's what I understood.

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing 126?

MS. SHROFF: 27.

THE COURT: 127, I'm sorry.

MS. SHROFF: That's okay.

MR. KAMARAJU: I'd just like to know more about the

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private plane.

MS. SHROFF: No objection, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No objection.

THE COURT: All right. 127 is gone.

Next.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What number are you?

JUROR: 129.

THE COURT: 129. And what is your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What is the problem?

JUROR: I'm a sole proprietor of my business. I'm an

art dealer. I'm participating in an art fair beginning of

July. We prepare for artists to come in. I'm it for my

business. So to be not there for seven weeks, that puts me out

of business.

THE COURT: You're saying it would be a financial

hardship?

JUROR: Oh, yeah.

THE COURT: Okay. You may step -- go ahead.

JUROR: I already laid out money for these art fairs.

THE COURT: Understood. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing 121?

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MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?

JUROR: 130.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: I have flights booked and hotels for about

eight, nine days end of June. And my children are out of

school starting second week of June and I don't have care. I

don't have camp set up. I am -- I have a part-time baby-sitter

that will be caring for them while I'm doing my part-time job.

And she is -- she has some significant health issues. This

will be her last summer with us. And so I took on the primary

role as the caregiver during their vacation.

THE COURT: You said that your number is 130?

JUROR: That's right.

THE COURT: You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 130?

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Sir, your number?

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JUROR: 131 your Honor.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What's the problem?

JUROR: I've been a Ph.D. student for seven years.

I'm defending my dissertation on June 6th. If I cannot defend

on that day, then since academics are always gone over the

summer, I won't be able to defend it until December, and I will

lose my post-doctoral fellowship.

THE COURT: And what is your subject matter?

JUROR: Political science.

THE COURT: Where are you studying?

JUROR: Columbia University.

THE COURT: All right. Well, good luck.

JUROR: Thank you.

THE COURT: You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: No objection to my excusing No. 131?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Your number, please?

JUROR: 132.

THE COURT: And your name, please.

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

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THE COURT: And your problem?

JUROR: I plan to be out of the country next month.

THE COURT: Where are you going?

JUROR: Japan.

THE COURT: And you have your tickets?

JUROR: No, not yet.

THE COURT: So can't you move --

JUROR: I have family there. My grandparents are

moving into a nursing home, so I'm going to help. But I

haven't bought my tickets yet.

THE COURT: So is their move a fixed date?

JUROR: Yeah.

THE COURT: All right. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 132?

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

THE COURT: I like to see these young people helping

their grandparents.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Your number?

JUROR: 133.

THE COURT: And your name, please.

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

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THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: So it's kind of twofold.

One is my husband travels during the workweek weekly,

and I become the primary caregiver for my children. So I

wouldn't probably be able to get here on time those days and

would have to leave before the day is over to retrieve them

from school.

The other thing is I am employed, so also during the

hours when they are in school, and I work. I could not miss

seven weeks of my job.

THE COURT: Is that because it would be a financial

hardship?

JUROR: It would be a financial hardship, it would be

a professional hardship. It would be multi-level.

THE COURT: And how old are your children?

JUROR: One is nine, one is six.

THE COURT: And you're 133?

JUROR: 133.

THE COURT: All right. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing her?

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

MS. SHROFF: No.

(Juror present)

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THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?

JUROR: 134.

THE COURT: 134. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi. What is your number?

JUROR: 135.

THE COURT: Your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What is the problem?

JUROR: It's not about the time period of the case,

but if it goes over, I have a wedding in July.

THE COURT: What is the date of the wedding?

JUROR: The 23rd.

THE COURT: Okay. So I am very confident that the

trial will be over well before July 23rd.

JUROR: Okay. And sometimes they go longer, so I just

wanted to be sure.

THE COURT: Yeah. No, no, this one is not going to go

that long. Otherwise?

JUROR: Then I'm fine.

THE COURT: Okay, great. Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: No reason to dismiss No. 135.

(Juror present)

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THE COURT: Hello there. What is your number?

JUROR: 136.

THE COURT: And what is your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: I've been a fraud investigator for 30 years,

and I think I would strongly lean towards the prosecution. I

don't think I could be fair.

THE COURT: What sort of frauds do you investigate?

JUROR: Welfare fraud. But I work with the FBI and

other agencies on all kinds of fraud. I'm very familiar with

wire fraud and things of that nature. Plus I have a court

hearing June 12th on a case that I worked on which I'm not

supposed to miss.

THE COURT: Are you saying that you're a witness in

that hearing?

JUROR: I'm one -- I'm the supervisor of one of the

investigators. I have to testify.

THE COURT: All right. You can step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 136?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. Sir, what is your number?

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JUROR: 138.

THE COURT: Go ahead.

JUROR: I'm the executive director of a nonprofit, a

small organization. We're short-staffed. I do all the

financials, I do all the reporting.

The reason why I do my physical therapy in the

morning, so that I could have the day off to be able to report

to work. Seven weeks is just too much.

THE COURT: Are you saying it would be a financial

hardship?

JUROR: It would be a financial hardship for the

organization, not for me. Because there would be no one there

with the authority to make certain decisions, approve budgets,

and the like.

THE COURT: So if you got hit by a truck right now,

what would happen? What would they do?

JUROR: They would not have an executive director.

They would probably collapse.

THE COURT: You don't feel that they could find

somebody to fill your role?

JUROR: Well, the board will hire someone temporarily

to fill the role, but I'm the executive director now.

THE COURT: Right. I understand that you're a vital

person in this not-for-profit.

What is the name of the not-for-profit?

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JUROR: Hispanic Aids Forum.

THE COURT: Hispanic Aids Forum.

So someone eventually would fill in --

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: -- if you were gone?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: And it would not cause a calamity to have

a period of time that you were absent; in other words, you do

go on vacation, don't you?

JUROR: I haven't in three years. Working six days a

week.

THE COURT: I'm trying to assess the exact consequence

of your absence.

JUROR: Well, I am the executive director. I

understand the operations. There's no one else that has the

authority or the skills to handle all the pieces that I handle.

Yes, the board could bring someone else in on a

temporary basis. But that person doesn't know the operations.

So it would still be a hardship on the organization.

THE COURT: So if you were to be impaired in some way

today or you decide to retire today or resign, the organization

would be in the same position correct?

JUROR: I suppose so, yes, your Honor.

THE COURT: So someone could fill in for you?

JUROR: Well, I suppose someone will fill in. What

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job that person would do, I don't know.

THE COURT: Right. Well, maybe not as good a job as

you, but somebody else would have to take over, right?

JUROR: Correct.

THE COURT: All right. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Okay. I'm not going to excuse No. 138.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi. What number are you?

JUROR: 139.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there.

JUROR: Juror 140.

THE COURT: Yes. And what is your name, sir?

JUROR: My name?

THE COURT: Yes.

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What's the problem?

JUROR: Situation is I'm self-employed. I perform

real estate closing services for bank attorneys, title

insurance companies on a per diem basis. If I don't work for

seven weeks, that's a huge loss of income. Plus, during that

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period, my clients would develop relationships with other

closers; and at the end of that time period, I would need to

reestablish work connections.

THE COURT: So you're saying it would be a financial

hardship?

JUROR: That is correct.

THE COURT: All right. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: So no objection to my dismissing No. 140?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there.

JUROR: My reasoning --

THE COURT: One second. You're No. 142?

JUROR: That's correct.

THE COURT: And your name, your full name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: Would you step a little closer.

And what is the problem?

JUROR: So I have two jobs right now. I work 9 to 5

at a retail brick-and-mortar location; I also have a

videography business as well. When business is a little bit

slow, I take that time and do video client work. Right now, 9

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to 5, we're a little bit short-staffed, so one manager is out,

that doesn't really affect the business. Have to make people

work seven days when maybe they are not supposed to. Again,

that's just my reasoning. So two jobs, 9 to 5 at the

brick-and-mortar location. I also have a video business that I

do on the side as well.

THE COURT: So the trial would not affect the video

business; correct?

JUROR: Yeah, that I could do on the weekend, kind of

kill two birds with one stone while I'm at the job.

It's the 9 to 5 --

THE COURT: Are you saying that you do the video job

while you're at the 9 to 5?

JUROR: Yeah, yeah. The business is cool with that.

If it's down, no customers coming in, just in the office

killing two birds with one stone.

THE COURT: So if you're here during the day between 9

and 2:45, then you would not be able to do your video business;

is that right?

JUROR: I could do the video business any time. It's

the 9 to 5 that's really the issue, just because we're

short-staffed. I'm just explaining what I do during my 9 to 5.

THE COURT: So what happens if you get hit by a truck

today, what happens at the 9 to 5?

JUROR: I lose my life. I get replaced probably like

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that.

THE COURT: And what happens at that business that

you're working at 9 to 5?

JUROR: They either close down a little bit earlier or

stretch out the employees that we have right now.

THE COURT: So what are your tasks at that business?

JUROR: So I take in the shipment from the -- so I

work at a travel -- it's like a luggage store. I take in the

shipment. Usually me and another guy that takes it in.

THE COURT: So you're receiving boxes?

JUROR: Yeah, yeah.

THE COURT: You think someone else could do that in

your place?

JUROR: Yeah. Kind of have to work seven days.

THE COURT: All right. Or they could hire someone

else?

JUROR: Yeah, sure. That works as well.

THE COURT: Okay.

JUROR: Just takes some training, but, yeah.

THE COURT: All right. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: I am not going to dismiss No. 141.

MS. SHROFF: 42.

THE COURT: 142, sorry.

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(Juror present)

THE COURT: What is your number, sir?

JUROR: Sorry. My number is 143.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And your problem?

JUROR: I have a two-week trip planned to Japan

starting June 28th.

THE COURT: Is that something of a pleasure trip?

JUROR: Yeah, it's with my whole family, yes.

THE COURT: And you've bought your tickets?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: All right. Bon voyage.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: So No. 143 is dismissed.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What is your number, please?

JUROR: 146.

THE COURT: And your name, please.

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what's the problem?

JUROR: I am an executive assistant to a CEO of a

public company. And so I'm just worried -- I'm sure other

people have other circumstances, but seven weeks is quite a

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long time for me.

THE COURT: This is a big corporation?

JUROR: Yeah.

THE COURT: And so you'll be paid during your jury

service; isn't that right?

JUROR: That's correct. In fact, like, during my

lunch I was working as well yesterday.

THE COURT: And so what are your duties?

JUROR: Sorry?

THE COURT: What are your duties?

JUROR: Oh, well, my CEO travels quite a bit; in fact,

right now he's in Europe. So for my teams on site, I support

them, our HR team, our legal team. Pretty much have tentacles

everywhere.

THE COURT: What company is that?

JUROR: ITT.

THE COURT: And they have other employees at that

company; isn't that correct?

JUROR: That's correct.

THE COURT: Someone could fill in for you; isn't that

right?

JUROR: Yes and no. Like, for instance, yesterday I

had to send out this last-minute email I had to do during my

lunch, sit there and scramble for lunch and find WiFi, because

I wasn't aware about the technology issue and not having

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technology here. Anyway --

THE COURT: So if you get hit by a truck today, is ITT

going to be able to find someone to serve that CEO?

JUROR: Absolutely. I'm always replaceable.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: I'm not going to excuse her.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?

JUROR: 148.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: I have three.

First is that it would be a financial hardship for me,

as I'm a consultant and I'm a gig worker.

THE COURT: Gig worker. All right, ma'am.

You can step back.

JUROR: I had a couple of other points.

THE COURT: That's all right. You say it's a

financial hardship, you may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: No. 148?

MS. MURRAY: No objection.

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THE COURT: No objection? She is excused.

The defense does not object; correct?

MR. KAMARAJU: No objection.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: What is your number?

JUROR: 149.

THE COURT: Your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What's the problem?

JUROR: I am an orthopedic surgeon in the south Bronx.

And I have a schedule that's booked out four months in advance,

including surgeries. And there's no way I could dedicate seven

weeks.

THE COURT: What hospital are you affiliated with?

JUROR: I'm at Bronx Care.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 149?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. You are No. 150?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.

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(Juror not present)

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there.

JUROR: Hi.

THE COURT: What is your number?

JUROR: 151.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: So I have limited childcare from now until the

end of the school year. I have a ten-year-old that both myself

and my husband, we work far from home. So if I am away for

longer than the school year, then I won't have any childcare

for her. And also I'm a special ed. teacher, and it's the end

of the school year, so we have end-of-the-year things to do.

So that would create a problem for me for work.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

Any objection to excusing No. 151?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello.

JUROR: Hi.

THE COURT: Your number?

JUROR: 152.

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THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: Last name?

JUROR: XXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: So we're coming to the end of the school year.

I'm a teacher. But childcare. And I also have an

eight-year-old, severely autistic daughter. So without being

able to take her to therapies after school, because my husband,

he's a firefighter, so his schedule is not as consistent as

mine.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 152?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?

JUROR: 153.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What's the problem?

JUROR: So I have an issue. So next week I'm supposed

to travel to California for work for a convention that I can't

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reschedule. And this has been booked since February. So I

don't -- you know, I received a summons too late to send it in

for a postponement. So I didn't realize it was going to be

such a long process. So I'm not sure what to do.

THE COURT: What do you do for a living?

JUROR: I'm a marketing consultant.

THE COURT: And do you work for a corporation?

JUROR: No, I'm an independent contractor. So I

consult. So right now I'm working with IMG, and then doing

installation out in California for Monsterpalooza convention.

THE COURT: And what if you're not able to go to the

convention?

JUROR: I'm part of the installation crew. So there's

a team that works under me that I'm overseeing in terms of

installation and execution of the experience.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

JUROR: Okay.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing her?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

THE COURT: Okay.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?

JUROR: 156.

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THE COURT: And your name, please.

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: So I work three jobs. And if I were to be on

this for seven weeks, I would miss one exclusively because it's

just the summer. So I would lose over 20 percent of my income

for the year.

THE COURT: And that would be a financial hardship?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing 156?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?

JUROR: 157.

THE COURT: And would you tell me your name and step

closer.

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What is the problem?

JUROR: I'm a full-time student currently, and I also

work evening shifts. So I wouldn't have mind about the

seven-week period. My term ends in July, I have a lot of exams

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and things going on. So this being seven weeks and then I work

evenings a lot.

THE COURT: And what are you studying.

JUROR: Data analytics.

THE COURT: Good luck to you. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing 157?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

JUROR: 158.

THE COURT: What is your name, sir?

JUROR: XXXXX.

THE COURT: What is your last name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: My wife and I have been planning a trip

starting June 27th for which we pre-booked the whole trip for

nonrefundable expenses of over $11,000.

THE COURT: Where are you going?

JUROR: Greece.

THE COURT: Bon voyage.

JUROR: Thank you.

THE COURT: You may step back.

(Juror not present)

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THE COURT: No objection to my excusing No. 158?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

MR. KAMARAJU: I'd like to go with him.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello again.

JUROR: 159.

THE COURT: Go ahead.

JUROR: I have a flight booked to Chicago on June

18th, returning June 25th. My father-in-law has leukemia, so

we're getting affairs in order. And my wife and I are going to

be in Chicago at that time.

THE COURT: Are you saying he's terminal?

JUROR: Yeah.

THE COURT: I'm sorry to hear that.

All righty. You may step back.

JUROR: Okay. Thank you. Do I --

THE COURT: You stay here. You just step back.

JUROR: Okay.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing 159?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What number are you?

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JUROR: 160.

THE COURT: And what is your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What is your problem?

JUROR: I am a single mom. I'm a widow. So I'm the

only caregiver, sole caregiver of my child, who is 12. So

making -- so childcare for a couple of days is not a big deal.

But seven weeks will be almost impossible; commuting from

Rockland County will be almost impossible for seven weeks.

Plus, I work in this field, I know seven weeks might

even be a little longer, depending on -- plus I have a prepaid

vacation over July 4th, we leave on the 2nd and come back on

the 5th -- on the 5th, 6th, 7th. So I can't get that

rescheduled. It's prepaid.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you. I'm so sorry.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 160?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: What is your number?

JUROR: 162.

THE COURT: And what is your name?

JUROR: My name is XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

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THE COURT: And what's the problem?

JUROR: Not sure if this qualifies as extreme

hardship, but I have an 87-year-old mother. She lives alone in

Queens. I am her sole means of care. She has another child

who lives in New Hampshire, largely disregards her.

She has an array of health issues. In the last two

years I receive phone calls all the time. I have to usually

rush out to Queens.

I live in Manhattan. I'm an attorney downtown, but I

have a very flexible work arrangement. I'm able to field calls

from her at all hours to help her and assist.

A seven-plus-week trial where I don't have the ability

to have a phone at my disposal during the day will be

problematic in terms of my being able to help her when I need

to. I think on the other end, she knowing that she can't get a

hold of me during the day when she needs to get a hold of me is

going to be very, very difficult for her as well. So I'm

nervous about that.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: 162?

MS. SHROFF: Yes, your Honor.

THE COURT: All right. Any objection to my excusing

her?

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MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What is your number, sir?

JUROR: 163.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What is the problem?

JUROR: So I'm fortunate enough where my employer

funds up to 30 days of jury duty. That being said, they don't

fund seven weeks. So for three weeks, if I'm chosen to be a

juror on this case, I have no source of income. And like

everyone around here, I'm sure we all have expenses and

whatnot. So for three weeks, $60 isn't going to cut my life

essentially.

THE COURT: It would be a financial hardship?

JUROR: For the three weeks after the four weeks, yes,

it would be.

THE COURT: All right. You can step back.

(Juror not present)

MS. MURRAY: Your Honor, if I may just ask, is it 30

business days? Because if so, that will cover six weeks of

trial.

THE COURT: Didn't occur to me.

All right. If you'll have him come back, the other

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gentleman.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. Is that 30 business days?

JUROR: Yes, 30 business days. So up to -- yeah, 30

business days.

THE COURT: So that is --

JUROR: That's four weeks and, like, two days,

essentially.

THE COURT: No, that's six weeks.

JUROR: 30 -- I'm not sure if it's 30 business days.

I would have to -- I'd have to follow up. I don't have a phone

so -- it's on the company website. I don't have a phone to

look that up. I can double-check with you. But there's no way

for me to validate that info.

THE COURT: So during the lunch break you can look at

your phone?

JUROR: Yes. And then I can communicate that to all

of you after my lunch break, yeah.

THE COURT: All righty. So I'll be looking forward to

hearing from you.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

(Juror present)

THE COURT: What is your number?

JUROR: 164.

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THE COURT: And your name please?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what's the problem?

JUROR: I have two little kids, a three and a

five-year-old, and they are in daycare part-time. So on the

days that I am not working or the days that my husband is

working, we share responsibility of pick-up and drop-off. And

there's also the daycare follows the school calendar, and

there's a period of about two and a half weeks at the end of

this month when they are not in daycare until summer camp,

starts July 8th.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

JUROR: Thanks.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: She's 164.

MS. SHROFF: Yes, yes, your Honor.

THE COURT: No objection to my excusing her, right?

MS. SHROFF: No.

MS. MURRAY: Correct, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there.

JUROR: 165.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

(Juror present)

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THE COURT: Your number, please?

JUROR: 167.

THE COURT: All righty. You can step back.

(Juror not present)

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. Your number?

JUROR: 168.

THE COURT: And your name please?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what's the problem?

JUROR: I'm a cardiologist at Mt. Sinai, and I see

about 75 patients a week. I also direct a training program.

And this happens to be the transition between graduation and

incoming fellows in the summer. So there's a lot of clinical

activity, but also administrative activity that I would be

missing out on. It would be very disruptive to the whole

cardiology department.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing 168?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi. What is your number?

JUROR: 169.

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THE COURT: Okay. And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: I have a trip that was already planned end of

June/early July. We already bought tickets.

THE COURT: Where are you going?

JUROR: Europe.

THE COURT: Bon voyage. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: No objection to my excusing 169?

MS. MURRAY: No objection.

MS. SHROFF: No. Thank you.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?

JUROR: 170.

THE COURT: All right. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi.

JUROR: 171.

THE COURT: And you may step back.

(Juror not present)

(Juror present)

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THE COURT: Hi. What is your number?

JUROR: 172.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What's the problem?

JUROR: Well, I have a seven-year-old that -- recently

my baby-sitter, she had a baby. And I'm the one putting him in

the bus stop. He missed school yesterday.

THE COURT: So you're saying you have nobody else to

take him to the bus stop?

JUROR: As of right now, yes, because she just -- my

baby-sitter had a baby and it was a c-section. She was the one

that was taking care of my son, put him on the bus for me. I

have a problem with my job also coming late.

THE COURT: What do you do?

JUROR: I'm a receptionist.

THE COURT: Okay.

JUROR: And that I enter to --

THE COURT: Okay. If you are on jury duty, will they

pay you for the time you are on jury duty?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: They would. They would.

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: And if you were to get sick today and you

were in the hospital, who would take care of your son?

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JUROR: That, emergencies -- I'm getting separated

from my husband as of right now. And he's also responsible for

him. And when something like emergency, hopefully he will be

able to be there for his son.

THE COURT: But you're saying he's irresponsible?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: No?

JUROR: No, but not like if it's an emergency, he will

say yes, because it's an emergency; I'm in the hospital.

THE COURT: Right.

JUROR: But as coming every day here, he says, No, you

find your way, which I'm trying to find a baby-sitter as of

right now. Just recently, just happened, the baby is like a

week.

THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing her?

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

THE COURT: What was her number?

MS. SHROFF: 172.

THE COURT: Okay.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi.

JUROR: My number is 173.

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THE COURT: Yes. And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: So the problem is I work, and also my husband

has a kidney transplant, he's a transplant. So he works from

home. And I have a child. So seven weeks, if there is any

emergency, I just have to run home. I mean, he's okay, it's --

everything is fine. He had the kidney transplant done in 2016,

so he's fine. But he goes for regular checkup infusion, this,

that, monthly infusion, so that is there.

THE COURT: So does he normally take care of your

child?

JUROR: No, no, he works from home and my daughter

goes to school. But, you know, if there is any school

emergency or my husband's emergency, then it's -- I have to do

it because I don't have any family around, right.

THE COURT: And where do you live?

JUROR: Nanuet, New York, Rockland County.

THE COURT: Okay. You can step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing her?

MS. MURRAY: I don't see a basis, your Honor, for

excusing her for cause.

THE COURT: All right. Let's bring her back. We'll

bring her back.

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(Juror present)

THE COURT: I want to understand your schedule.

Do you work?

JUROR: Yes, I do. I work in a pharmaceutical

company; I'm a scientist. So I work in Tarrytown.

THE COURT: And so if you're serving as a juror, you

will still be paid; is that correct?

JUROR: Oh, yes, yeah. I think so, yeah.

THE COURT: Okay. Now, your daughter, how old did you

say?

JUROR: She is -- she just turned ten.

THE COURT: Okay. And does she take the bus to

school?

JUROR: Yeah, she takes the bus to school.

THE COURT: She goes to the bus stop?

JUROR: No, no, no. We usually take her to the bus

stop. And also --

THE COURT: Who takes her?

JUROR: Either -- most of the time it's me, because I

drop her or take the bus and then I go back to work. Because I

have to also reach work. I'm in research.

THE COURT: So your husband then could take her?

JUROR: My husband can take her. I mean, of course he

works from home, he can definitely take her. But my work

also -- yes, he can take her.

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THE COURT: And then at the end of the day?

JUROR: So after the school is over, right now he's

in -- she's in grade four, so she goes to school aftercare.

THE COURT: Yes.

JUROR: So she can stay there till 6 o'clock. But

from here to Rockland County, like yesterday it took me almost

6:40 I reached home.

THE COURT: Is there a bus after --

JUROR: After school care, no, there's no bus.

THE COURT: So someone has to pick her up by car?

JUROR: Yes. From school aftercare there is no bus.

THE COURT: And so your husband can pick her up by

car?

JUROR: Oh, yeah, he can do that. He can definitely

do that. But it's just the emergency. If there is seven

weeks, that's why I'm just like a little concerned.

THE COURT: So you realize that we are only meeting

between 9:30 and 2:45?

JUROR: Okay.

THE COURT: And so that does give you time.

JUROR: To go back.

THE COURT: To get home, yes?

All righty. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

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THE COURT: All right. You had a good instinct there.

And what number was she?

MS. SHROFF: 173.

THE COURT: 173. Okay.

MS. SHROFF: Should she have an emergency, though, the

government shouldn't ask to replace her.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi, sir. Your number?

JUROR: 174.

THE COURT: And your name, please.

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what's the problem?

JUROR: It would just -- I mean, work-wise it would

just create a backlog. We have a new director starting at the

museum next month.

THE COURT: What museum?

JUROR: The Guggenheim.

THE COURT: And what is your role there?

JUROR: I lead the marketing department.

THE COURT: Okay. If you were hit by a truck today,

would the Guggenheim be able to find somebody to substitute for

you?

JUROR: Of course.

THE COURT: Okay.

JUROR: I would imagine.

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THE COURT: Yes. So anyone who serves as a juror who

has a job often has their work back up, and most of us have

jobs. So you would be in the same position as most ordinary

citizens.

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Except that you'd be getting paid.

JUROR: Sure.

THE COURT: Okay. Many people don't get paid for jury

duty.

JUROR: Fair enough. Yes.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?

JUROR: 175.

THE COURT: And your name, please.

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What is the problem?

JUROR: Well, seven weeks would be financially hard

for me because I have like some private chef work that I have

booked for it, like I work as a chef.

THE COURT: And so if you had to be in court, you

would not get paid?

JUROR: I wouldn't get paid for those jobs that I have

booked for the month of -- the end of this month, in June.

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It's a busy month for me.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Anybody object to my excusing 175?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?

JUROR: 176.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what's the problem?

JUROR: I am a primary caregiver for my

three-month-old grandson.

THE COURT: And what would happen, God forbid, if

you --

JUROR: I have no idea what they are going to do.

They don't have -- maternity leave ends next week. She goes

back Tuesday, and I'm on.

THE COURT: What about a baby-sitter?

JUROR: They don't have a full-time baby-sitter. They

don't have the money to pay for full-time care, to work

full-time.

THE COURT: I'm sorry. I did not understand what you

said with respect to can't they get a baby-sitter?

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JUROR: For seven weeks, I don't think they could.

They don't have a baby-sitter. They're new parents who don't

want to leave their three-month-old infant with anybody.

THE COURT: All right. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Okay. I'm waiting to hear your positions.

MS. SHROFF: I don't know. I mean, I never had a

three-month-old, so I can't comment; but I would let her go,

but I'm easy.

MS. MURRAY: We have no objection to excusing that

juror.

THE COURT: All righty. No. 176 is excused.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: What is your number?

JUROR: 177.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: I have a trip, a cruise and a flight, leaving

June 4th and coming back not until June 17th.

THE COURT: And you've already paid for that?

JUROR: Completely paid for. I have the documentation

here if you need to see it.

THE COURT: All righty. Well, have a good time.

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JUROR: Okay.

THE COURT: You may step back.

JUROR: Okay. Do I leave or --

THE COURT: No, you stay.

JUROR: Okay.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: No. 177, any objection to my excusing her?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi. What is your number?

JUROR: 178.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What is the problem?

JUROR: First, my job will not cover seven weeks of

jury duty.

Secondly, I have several appointments over the next

seven weeks you said the trial was going to be. And also I

have some broadway tickets also coming up in about two weeks.

THE COURT: What kind of tickets?

JUROR: Broadway show tickets.

THE COURT: So if your job is not paying you, would

that be a financial hardship for you?

JUROR: Yes.

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THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 178?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?

JUROR: 179.

THE COURT: You may step back.

(Juror not present)

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi. What is your number?

JUROR: 180.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: I work at Condé Nast — my work ID is right

here if you want to see it. And I oversee the media company,

the global travel business vertical. I travel very regularly

professionally. I have teams all around the world. And I have

an upcoming important conference in the middle of the seven

weeks in Cannes for the Cannes Lion Creativity Festival, where

I'm required to be in Cannes on June 17th to the 20th.

THE COURT: What would happen if you got hit by a

truck?

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JUROR: I guess something very terrible. And I would

be -- you know, depending if I was fatally wounded or not, but

it would be an extreme hardship for the length of this trial.

THE COURT: In other words, Condé Nast would be able

to find somebody to fill your shoes; isn't that right?

JUROR: Not for -- not for this conference. I'm the

most senior stakeholder attending for my business vertical.

THE COURT: So the next most senior person could

attend, right?

JUROR: Currently that spot's open on my team. I

really don't have proper coverage. I'm not saying I couldn't

do it. The question was would it be an extreme hardship

anyway.

THE COURT: I'm not thinking about the hardship for

Condé Nast.

JUROR: For me personally it would be a professional

hardship. And also, additionally, I can't remember if you said

June 28th was a day that the court -- you said a bunch of days

it's not in service. Professionally, that's the day that my

ten-year-old is graduating middle school -- sorry, elementary

school, fifth grade. That might be a day you said we're off.

THE COURT: That is one of the days off, yes.

JUROR: Great.

THE COURT: So you would be paid by Condé Nast if you

were here for jury duty, right?

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JUROR: Honestly, I haven't -- I believe so.

That's -- I believe I would. I haven't fully inquired. It's

the first time ever I've been called for jury duty.

THE COURT: I'd like you to make an inquiry during the

lunch hour.

JUROR: Sure.

(Juror not present)

(Juror present)

THE COURT: What number was she?

MS. SHROFF: 180.

THE COURT: Sir, what is your number?

JUROR: 181.

THE COURT: And your name, please.

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What's the problem?

JUROR: Three.

First of all, there's a Jewish holiday coming up in

two weeks, I think it is, Shavuot.

THE COURT: And what date is that?

JUROR: If I had my cell phone calendar, I could tell

you.

THE COURT: And does that mean that you need to be

absent that day?

JUROR: Yes, I have to be in synagogue both days.

It's a two-day holiday.

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THE COURT: Two-day holiday, you would have to be

gone?

JUROR: Right.

THE COURT: And then?

JUROR: And then if I had my phone, I could give you

precise dates for this also.

THE COURT: I'll figure out the dates.

JUROR: No, it's something else.

We have two grandchildren who are graduating from a

school in Baltimore. And I think -- I think it's next week or

the week after, I can't remember which.

And then the third is I'm 74 years old, so I think I

read somewhere in while we're waiting that if you're above 70,

you can be exempted. Am I -- do I have that wrong?

THE COURT: So I have had people in their 90s serve.

JUROR: I'm sure you have, but --

THE COURT: I don't know of that particular rule, but

I'll look into it.

JUROR: Please. Thank you.

THE COURT: Yes.

JUROR: But those other two are regardless.

THE COURT: What about the graduation date, do you

know when that is?

JUROR: I can tell you the names of the schools. And

if I had a cell phone, I could.

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THE COURT: Go ahead. What school?

JUROR: One school is called Beth Tefiloh.

THE COURT: Okay.

JUROR: In Baltimore.

THE COURT: Yup.

JUROR: And the other is Krieger Schechter Jewish

State School or Day School.

THE COURT: All righty. So you may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Do we know when Shavuot is?

THE LAW CLERK: Tuesday through Thursday, the 11th of

June.

THE COURT: Three days.

THE LAW CLERK: Starts the evening on June 11.

THE COURT: Wednesday and Thursday?

THE LAW CLERK: Yeah.

THE COURT: Okay. What is your position? That

holiday is a Wednesday and a Thursday; so it would mean that we

would have to miss court on those days if he were chosen.

MS. SHROFF: I say we keep him and we take Wednesday

and Thursday off.

MS. MURRAY: Your Honor, we would say he should be

excused for cause.

THE COURT: I don't know anything about this rule of

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over 70, does anybody?

MS. SHROFF: You have to apply for the exemption. So

he didn't apply. If he applied for the exemption, he wouldn't

have to come at all.

THE COURT: Okay. Is there any objection to my

excusing him?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

THE COURT: All right. So 181 is excused.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?

JUROR: So I am 182.

THE COURT: 182. And your name?

JUROR: It's XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

So I have a trip with my wife scheduled for June 2nd,

for that week, to London. I also have on June 12th my son's

graduation from high school -- not high school, from -- yeah,

from high school, senior in high school.

And but in addition to those, I just thought I wanted

to bring to your attention, I know it's not the question, but I

have a very active white-collar criminal defense practice. I'm

the chair and founder of the practice at a large law firm. So

I have a number of cases currently against Southern District.

And the practice as a whole has a whole bunch of cases that I

sometimes consult on. So it's just -- but, you know, it just

presents a challenge personally as a conflict.

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THE COURT: Where do you work?

JUROR: At Goodwin Procter.

THE COURT: You can step back.

JUROR: Sure.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 182?

MR. KAMARAJU: No.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: What number are you?

JUROR: 183.

THE COURT: Your name, please.

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What is the problem?

JUROR: So I'm the only working -- I have a family,

right. My husband is disabled. And I'm the only caretaker and

the mother of my daughter. So was able to take my kids to

school and take care of them, whether they're at school or out

of school. I'm the only one who takes care of them because

he's physically disabled.

THE COURT: How old are your children?

JUROR: 13 and 8.

THE COURT: All right. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing 183?

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MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?

JUROR: 184.

THE COURT: And your name, please.

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What's the problem?

JUROR: I own and operate a horse farm in northern

Westchester.

THE COURT: Where?

JUROR: In Katonah, New York. And I own it with my

brother and operate it with him.

You mentioned would anyone have a hardship. In

January, my brother received a kidney transplant and is

recovering. And I am under tremendous pressure to keep the

business going and manage it as the face of the business while

he's recovering.

I have 100 horses at the farm, 50 employees and

clients and owners of the horses, that it's very important that

the level of care and confidence be maintained, which I am

basically doing double duty. So for me to be away from the

business in a two-month stint would be devastating to what I

do. I am doing double duty as it is.

THE COURT: Devastating financially?

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JUROR: Yes. I mean, it's important for me to be

there. I have 51 employees, many of them are highly managed

because it's all about care. And I administer medication to

horses, I am managing rehab of horses, travel to competitions

with horses.

It wasn't easy for me to come here today to do a

one-day commitment. I postponed my jury duty three times

because of these types of commitments.

My brother is recovering. So he goes two days a week

to Columbia to have his blood drawn, monitoring his

anti-rejection medications. So it's important, you know, that

I am there watching what we do, managing what we do.

And I'm already dealing with a pivotal moment in my

working life and career. You know, I'm working harder than I

ever have and watching every single thing we do to keep it

together. So it would be -- it would be devastating for me to

be away from it.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 184?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: Your Honor, he did say that he has 51

employees. Even when you inquired of his financial hardship,

he hesitated and then said yes, but didn't go further into

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that. It sounded like it would be more of an inconvenience for

him just as a general person with a job. With our schedule and

the occasional days and weekends that we have off, it does seem

other employees would be able to fill in.

THE COURT: All right. If you would ask him to come

back.

So we'll just take the next individual. We'll just

ask for him to come back.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?

JUROR: 185.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: I already have trips booked for the end of

June and July.

THE COURT: Where are you going?

JUROR: I'm going to Maine in June and I'm going to

Antigua in July.

THE COURT: And you have plane tickets?

JUROR: I don't have them on me.

THE COURT: No, I'm saying did you buy your plane

tickets?

JUROR: Yes. Yeah.

THE COURT: Okay. All righty. You may step back.

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(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing No. 185?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?

JUROR: 188.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What is the problem?

JUROR: My job. I'm a case manager and I have a

specific case order of clients that work with me directly. And

I'm -- in my job, I'm the only one that facilitate them to

legal services as well. They're homeless clients.

THE COURT: Do you work for an agency?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: What agency?

JUROR: Breaking Ground.

THE COURT: And what is your title?

JUROR: Case manager.

THE COURT: Are you a social worker?

JUROR: Affiliated with it.

THE COURT: So if you serve jury duty, do you get paid

by the agency?

JUROR: Yes.

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THE COURT: So if, God forbid, you were hit by a truck

today, someone else at the agency would take over your

caseload, right?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: What?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Okay. So it may be an inconvenience for

your employer, but it's not an impossibility to cover you

essentially, right?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?

JUROR: 189.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What's the problem?

JUROR: The time length, the seven week. I have a

holiday, religious holiday, during that time. And I wanted to

also let you know, like, Fridays, because of the Sabbath, 5

o'clock is a little bit late for where I have to drive to

because I live in Rockland County, with traffic and everything.

THE COURT: So we're going to stop at 2:45.

JUROR: Oh, I just want -- you said tomorrow. So I

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wasn't sure.

THE COURT: Well, let's assume that we can stop early

tomorrow. What time would you need to leave here?

JUROR: Like 3:30-ish, 4.

THE COURT: Okay. So let's assume that we're able to

accommodate that. Then we have the holiday. Do you know what

the dates are for the holiday?

JUROR: I don't really know offhand. I think it's in

like two weeks.

THE COURT: Are you thinking about Shavuot?

JUROR: Yeah.

THE COURT: Okay. I believe --

JUROR: Or it's two and a half. I don't have the

phone with me to look to get --

THE COURT: So I believe that that would mean that you

would have to be absent a Tuesday and a Wednesday?

JUROR: Yeah, I think so. It's in the middle of the

week.

THE COURT: Okay. So if you were able to have those

two days off, knowing that you're going to be able to leave

here at 2:45, then otherwise you'd be able to serve?

JUROR: I think so. I just started a business, but

whatever I'm saying, I understand that there's a jury and stuff

like that, so --

THE COURT: So --

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JUROR: Like I'm understanding, but I did happen -- I

did just happen to start.

THE COURT: What kind of business?

JUROR: A handyman business.

THE COURT: Okay. So when did you start it?

JUROR: Like two weeks ago.

THE COURT: Okay. And so I assume that you're -- is

it you're looking for clients now?

JUROR: Yeah, I'm getting calls, stuff like that.

THE COURT: Okay. So if you are out for seven weeks,

is that going to be a financial hardship for you?

JUROR: A little bit, yeah, I think, because I'm

getting my name out there. If I don't answer the phones

anymore, like, a little bit, yeah.

THE COURT: Do you have to pay rent or are you living

somewhere where you don't have to pay rent?

JUROR: No, I'm paying rent.

THE COURT: You are paying rent. Okay. So would you

be able to pay rent without this handyman job?

JUROR: Yeah, I would be able to swing it. It

wouldn't be easy, but I would be able to.

THE COURT: Okay. Would you be able to pay for food

and your other basic necessities?

JUROR: Yeah, I'd be able to make do.

THE COURT: You would be able to make do.

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Okay. All righty. So you can --

JUROR: Not convenient, but I would be able to make

do.

THE COURT: I understand.

JUROR: Like everyone.

THE COURT: It's maybe an annoyance or an

inconvenience, but you would be able to manage somehow.

JUROR: Yeah.

THE COURT: Okay. Please step back.

JUROR: Thank you very much.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: All right. So the question is whether or

not we take out -- we take off the two days for Shavuot.

MS. MURRAY: We would propose to keep him for now,

your Honor. We can see what happens. And I guess the question

would be whether that would change the opinion of Juror 181.

MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, it can't be that we'll see

how this goes, right. Either we excuse him for cause, because

we shouldn't have to exercise a peremptory without deciding

whether or not we're going to sit on those two days.

THE COURT: So I am obligated to afford him the

opportunity to sit.

MS. SHROFF: Right.

THE COURT: If he has a religious obligation, the

question only becomes can we accommodate that reasonably. And

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since you are -- since -- what is the date?

THE LAW CLERK: The 12th and 13th.

THE COURT: Of June. It's the 12th and 13th of June.

You have a plan for what would happen on those dates,

and I'd need to know whether we can make that reasonable

accommodation.

MS. MURRAY: Can we have a moment, your Honor.

(Counsel conferred)

MS. MURRAY: Your Honor, we propose to keep him for

now. We understand Ms. Shroff's objection. We might strike

him at a later point.

THE COURT: Of course you cannot strike him though for

religious reasons.

MS. MURRAY: No, no, no, your Honor.

MR. KAMARAJU: Can I just ask, because I think didn't

we let another juror go for cause for the same reason?

THE COURT: No, no, no, no. Remember he had other

issues.

MS. MURRAY: Grandkids graduating.

THE COURT: I would never dismiss a person for cause

because of their religious obligations.

MR. KAMARAJU: I understand.

THE COURT: He had two graduations and there was the

issue of his elderly status.

MR. KAMARAJU: I understand the point you're making.

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Thank you, your Honor.

MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, just so we're clear, we're

happy to have the juror stay within the pool, right.

THE COURT: Yes.

MS. SHROFF: But if he's in the pool, there's going to

be no argument about him not having those two days off. We

just want to make sure the government is clear that they don't

come back and then say ask the man to accommodate and not get

him his religious services.

MS. MURRAY: Absolutely not, Ms. Shroff. If he's on

the jury --

THE COURT: If they come back to me and say that they

have spent already thousands of dollars, government dollars, in

order to fly in certain witnesses, that is something that I

would consider.

MS. SHROFF: Then I think, your Honor, most

respectfully, maybe we can ask the juror. Because I'm pretty

sure that he would be observant of those two holidays and want

those days off.

THE COURT: Yes. What I'm saying is that I would

afford him the opportunity to be off for those two days.

However, if the prosecution comes back to me and says the

government will have expended $15,000 in flights for witnesses,

then I have to make an assessment as to whether it is

reasonable to accommodate him for those two days.

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MS. SHROFF: That's what we would object to, your

Honor. I think he has a right to have a religious

accommodation, number one; and number two, your Honor, the

government is right here. They can figure out what they're

doing on the 12th and the 13th now before they do that to the

juror.

THE COURT: I'm going to allow them some time to

assess the situation.

MS. SHROFF: Right. Maybe they can tell us by 2

o'clock before we have to pay --

THE COURT: Or by the end of the day.

MS. SHROFF: Thank you, your Honor.

THE COURT: All righty.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Sir, your number again?

JUROR: 184.

THE COURT: Okay. So I'm sorry to hear about your

brother's condition and I understand that he is only working

limited hours.

JUROR: Correct.

THE COURT: And you're having to work overtime because

of his condition.

JUROR: Correct.

THE COURT: So what would happen now if you were

completely incapacitated? Let us say that you land in the

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hospital for the next two months, what would happen to your

business?

JUROR: It would be severely impacted.

THE COURT: How so?

JUROR: It would deteriorate. I would lose clients.

I would lose revenue. It would be -- it would fall apart.

THE COURT: So are you principally boarding the

horses?

JUROR: Yes, boarding, training, and most of the

horses there are client-owned.

THE COURT: All right. So my sense is that there

isn't a tremendous amount of facilities like your own in the

immediate area. There may be others, but there's not a whole

lot of them; am I correct?

JUROR: There are, for sure, other places to go. And

the clients could afford to do it wherever they want to do it.

It's about confidence. So they -- so I would lose

that confidence. And I would lose that -- I made written

application twice trying to be excluded from jury duty, and I

never heard back on either of those, explaining my situation,

explaining the circumstances. My brother has a very rare

kidney disease.

THE COURT: I understand that, sir. But what I'm

trying to assess -- I understand that you have a fear that you

would lose customers, lose revenue. But --

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JUROR: In a significant way. In a very significant

way.

THE COURT: How significantly?

JUROR: It would devastate -- like, you know, if I

lose a number of clients, I would lose the revenue. I'd have

to lay people off. It would fall apart. I'm trying to get

through this period of his recovery time. Like you said, he's

come back in a limited, let's say, light duty, and he is the

face of the business with me. And I am trying to, like, get

the business up in this period of time.

THE COURT: So what percentage of revenue do you think

that you would lose if you were serving as a juror for seven

weeks?

JUROR: I could lose as much as 50 percent. People.

THE COURT: You're saying that people --

JUROR: They see --

THE COURT: -- who have been your --

JUROR: Clients.

THE COURT: -- loyal clients would just simply turn

their backs on you and find some other business to take care of

their horses?

JUROR: Yeah. I mean, my brother had the transplant.

We kept it quiet until, like, a week before. Because when a

client wants something, I was afraid they would send you

flowers and move the horses the next day. And it's been that

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whole pressure of that, like, keeping it together. I mean, I'm

literally sweating here thinking that, like, I cannot do this

for two months.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: So I do have familiarity with his

clientele. And my sense is that they expect a great deal of

service and attention. And although I am not an expert in the

field, I do think that it's quite conceivable that he could

lose substantial business. And so I think that he has stated a

legitimate reason for being excused.

MS. MURRAY: We agree, your Honor. We defer to the

Court.

THE COURT: All right. He was one --

MS. SHROFF: 84.

THE COURT: 184 is excused.

MS. SHROFF: Thank you, your Honor.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Sir, what is your number?

JUROR: 191.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What's the problem?

JUROR: So my main hardship is work responsibilities.

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I'm an engineer here in the city working for a large firm.

Many projects, many people working under me, very tight

deadlines.

THE COURT: What type of engineering?

JUROR: Environmental engineering. I'm a geologist.

THE COURT: And what would happen if you were hit by a

truck today?

JUROR: Well, then it wouldn't be my responsibility

anymore. But, you know --

THE COURT: Yes.

JUROR: So I don't know, I mean --

THE COURT: So would they be able to find another

engineer?

JUROR: I'm sure they would hire another engineer,

yes. But they wouldn't be able to step right into my shoes and

do the job.

THE COURT: They'd have to have a certain amount of

time to rev up?

JUROR: Right. And the problem is, with tight

deadlines, that's where the main issue comes in.

THE COURT: So if you serve as a juror, are you going

to be paid by your firm?

JUROR: So up to two weeks I know. I don't know up to

seven weeks. I was never contemplated -- or I never

contemplated up to seven weeks.

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THE COURT: You can find out during the break, the

lunch break?

JUROR: Oh, I can try. Sure.

THE COURT: Okay. That's what I'd like you to do.

JUROR: Okay.

(Juror not present)

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Sir, what is your number?

JUROR: 192.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: Is XXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what's the problem?

JUROR: I'm a single father to a ten-year old who will

be finishing school June 18th. Tomorrow is a half a day. I

don't have coverage in the mornings. I am responsible for the

mornings. My daughter is dropped off, I go to work. There is

a caregiver in the evenings, but I do everything as a single

father.

I am a widower. And I had served jury in this --

Colleen McMahon's courtroom in the past. I understand jury

duty. I respect the process. But, unfortunately, in this time

I ask that I am excused based on my availability I don't have.

THE COURT: Where do you live?

JUROR: In Manhattan.

THE COURT: And you cannot get a sitter?

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JUROR: I do the morning routine. I do the breakfast,

dress, and off to school drop-off. I don't know how to get a

sitter to show up at 7:30 in the morning to make that process

take place.

THE COURT: What do you do for a living?

JUROR: I work in finance. I'm a financial adviser.

THE COURT: And you're aware that there are

baby-sitting agencies?

JUROR: Which I have engaged. I have a caregiver who

does my evenings. She does pickups from school and then leaves

8 o'clock, essentially. I have a daily caregiver for the

after-school session. I do the morning sessions.

THE COURT: And so when is it that your daughter

leaves the house?

JUROR: She drops off by 8 a.m. She gets to school at

8 a.m.

THE COURT: Okay. And where do you live in Manhattan?

JUROR: 73rd and Third.

THE COURT: Okay. So that gives you plenty of time to

get here by 9:30.

JUROR: Okay.

THE COURT: Very well. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

MS. SHROFF: You are one tough cookie. I would have

let him go.

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(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there.

JUROR: How are you?

THE COURT: Fine. And you?

JUROR: Fine, thanks.

THE COURT: Your number?

JUROR: 193.

THE COURT: Okay. And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: I'm going to be in Denver, Colorado next week

for my grandmother's funeral.

THE COURT: I'm so sorry to hear that.

All righty. I understand. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: What is the number?

MS. SHROFF: 193.

THE COURT: Okay. All right. She is excused.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: So, sir, your number?

JUROR: 194.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And -- excuse me?

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JUROR: I'm just a little nervous.

THE COURT: All righty. What is the problem?

JUROR: It takes me over two hours to get here and two

hours to get home, and just something that I cannot do. It's

just too much for me.

On top of that, being in a high-rise in Lower

Manhattan is really freaking me out. I can't stand being here.

I can't stand looking out the windows. My anxiety level is

beyond. If this is where the trial is going to be, I don't

think I can do it.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing him?

MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Juror present)

MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, I have to be before Judge

Cote at 1.

THE COURT: Understood. Thanks.

What is your number?

JUROR: 180. I just -- I'm still going to check with

my employer about that question about compensation at the

break. But I gave the wrong date accidentally for my

daughter's graduation. It's the 25th, June 25th. Actually,

the last day of school is June 26th. But it's only from 8:30

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to 10:30 in the morning, but it's Tuesday, June 25th.

THE COURT: All right. All righty. You may step

back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: All right. We're going to stop for now

and we will continue after the lunch break at 2 o'clock.

MS. SHROFF: Thank you, your Honor.

(In open court)

THE COURT: All righty.

Everyone, please return to your seats.

We are done with our work for the morning, but we

still have more to go. The night is young.

So I'll need you to return very, very promptly at 2

o'clock. So you'll be in the hallway at 2 o'clock. Not coming

into the building, not the elevator, but in the hallway right

out there ready to walk in at 2 o'clock sharp. If you're late,

it really makes it quite difficult for us to do our own work.

So many people are involved. So be prompt.

I want you to not discuss this matter amongst

yourselves. Don't let anyone talk to you about the case.

You're not to talk with anybody else about the case.

Also, the lawyers are not permitted to have any

contact with you. So if you see them in the hallway, in the

elevator, on the street, and they don't greet you, they don't

look at you, it's not that they are being rude, it's that they

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may not have any contact whatsoever with you.

Have a good lunch.

(Venire not present)

THE COURT: All right. Time for lunch.

Have a good lunch.

(Luncheon recess)

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AFTERNOON SESSION

2:02 p.m.

THE COURT: All right. I'm going to rule on some of

the outstanding motions.

I received the government's letter motion dated

May 21, 2024, and the defendant's response dated May 23rd. ECF

Nos. 344 and 349. And the government first moves to

preliminarily admit certain statements made by alleged

co-conspirators, Qidong Xia and David Dai, under exceptions to

the hearsay rule. The government intends to call two people

whom I will identify as Victim-1 and Victim-2 to testify about

statements. These statements include: (1) instructions by Xia

telling Victim-1 where to wire funds to make purported

investments in GTV stock, as well as Xia denying Victim-1 a

refund on this investment; (2) statements by Dai instructing

Victim-2 how to open certain bank accounts and where to wire

the funds in those bank accounts; and (3) the statement by Xia

to Victim-2 regarding the appointment of the new leader of the

London Farm.

As I previously ruled in my May 2nd order, consistent

with the Second Circuit's

Geaney

protocol, I may admit

co-conspirator statements on a conditional basis, subject to

the later submission of the necessary evidence to establish

that the co-conspirator exception is applicable. The

government's motion identifies the statements with sufficient

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particularity and is therefore granted.

As with the co-conspirator statements I conditionally

admitted in my May 2nd order when I partially granted

government motion 1, I will make the required Geaney findings

outside the presence of the jury at the close of the

government's case, and, if necessary, give an appropriate

limiting instruction.

Second, the government moves to preclude evidence

regarding the March 15, 2023, fire at Mr. Guo's apartment at

the Sherry-Netherland Hotel. The defense does not intend to

introduce such evidence. Accordingly, the government's motion

is denied as moot.

Third, the government moves to preclude Mr. Guo from

introducing any evidence of the potential immigration

consequences of his conviction. Mr. Guo again states that he

does not intend to introduce such evidence. Accordingly, the

government's motion is denied as moot.

We're waiting for the members of the panel to finish

gathering.

(Jury venire present)

(At the sidebar, juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?

JUROR: 195.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.

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THE COURT: And what's the problem?

JUROR: Well, it takes me about two and a half hours

to get here from like the northernmost part of Putnam County.

I'm also a home care physical therapist, so to be out of work

for seven weeks would be a bit much.

THE COURT: In what regard?

JUROR: Just as far as my patients and, you know, for

the agency.

THE COURT: Would you get paid for those seven weeks?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: So aside from the commute, if you were

struck by a car, someone would——

JUROR: You asked for extreme circumstances, so I

guess my circumstances aren't terribly extreme, but this

process does intimidate me a little bit as well, so——

THE COURT: But you can handle it, right?

JUROR: Yeah, well, I don't know.

THE COURT: What do you mean you don't know?

JUROR: I've never gone through it. I've never sat on

a jury before, so——

THE COURT: Are there any things you know so far that

would impair your ability to sit?

JUROR: Not really.

THE COURT: All right. You may step back. Thank you.

(Juror not present)

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(Next juror present)

THE COURT: What number are you?

JUROR: 196.

THE COURT: 196. Yes. You were going to come back

with some information for us.

JUROR: Regarding my——I can't afford to lose, like,

another month of paycheck because we are paid by——per diem——I

mean, by flight time, 'cause I'm a flight attendant.

THE COURT: Yes.

JUROR: And say, for example, my schedule is like

three trips in a row; I only get like paid, like, you know, the

flight time and I lose the per diem. And on top of that, I

just came back from an injury. I lost two months of work. And

I'm trying to make up for those lost income, and actually, I

just borrowed some money from my 401(k) just to stay, you know,

afloat, yeah.

THE COURT: So you're saying it would be a financial

hardship?

JUROR: Correct, correct.

THE COURT: All right. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my excusing 196?

MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

THE COURT: Okay.

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(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What is your number?

JUROR: 197.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what's the problem?

JUROR: I work in a private school, in the technology

department, and June is our clutch cargo month of the whole

year. It's more busy than it is at the beginning of the year

because we have to collect all the devices, we have to take the

rooms apart so that the maintenance can repaint, reoutfit with

new technology. On top of that, my own daughter is graduating

this year, so I have some ceremonies to go to for that as well.

THE COURT: Is she graduating from that school?

JUROR: No, from another high school, a public school.

THE COURT: Do you know what the dates are?

JUROR: Her graduation is I believe the 29th.

THE COURT: Of?

JUROR: Of June. And the beginning is the private

school's graduation that I'm working, as well as other

ceremonies, moving up ceremonies.

THE COURT: So if you were hit by a truck today, would

the private school be able to find somebody to do your job?

JUROR: Sure. They'd have to figure that out, yeah.

THE COURT: Yeah. Okay. And if you were able to

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attend your daughter's graduation on the 29th of June,

otherwise, you'd be able to serve; is that correct?

JUROR: Yeah, I guess, technically.

THE COURT: Okay. All righty. You may step back.

JUROR: All right.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: I'm not going to excuse him.

MS. MURRAY: Your Honor, I would just note the 29th is

a Saturday.

THE COURT: Oh.

MS. SHROFF: June 28th?

MS. MURRAY: He graduates on the 29th.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. What's your number?

JUROR: 198.

THE COURT: 198. And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: What's your last name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what's the problem?

JUROR: So my son has a few weeks left in school and

he has special medical needs. He has Type I diabetes like

myself, so when his school ends, he will be at home with us.

And I say this, "us," because my wife is also in jury duty

right now, and so we don't know——we were expecting it would be

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a three-week case, we would be able to be fine. Anything

longer than that, if we were both here, then we would not be

able to take care of him.

THE COURT: And do you have any sitters that you can

use?

JUROR: I mean, typically we do, but it's when we have

devices on us to be able to communicate with the sitter,

because I usually track his blood sugar on my phone, which I

cannot today. I have my own, tracking my own. So it would be

difficult to be able to coordinate care in that situation.

THE COURT: All right. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing

Juror No. 198?

MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. What's your number?

JUROR: 201.

THE COURT: Okay. You can step back.

JUROR: That's it?

THE COURT: That's it.

(Juror not present)

(Next juror present)

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THE COURT: Hi.

JUROR: Hi. 180.

THE COURT: You were going to check about——

JUROR: I did. I did. I tried very hard in the 40,

50 minutes I was off, not to be late. I didn't get through to

anyone. And I called, I emailed, I Slacked. I didn't——I

didn't get the answer to that question. I'm under the

assumption that I——my employment would not be in jeopardy. It

just would be a really, really, really bad time based on the

conference that I told you about and my work should be getting

back online.

THE COURT: Understood. All righty.

(Juror not present)

MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, does somebody have the date

of her son's graduation? 25th?

MS. MURRAY: It was 25th in the morning.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: What is your number, sir?

JUROR: 163.

THE COURT: And your name again?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And you were looking up something for us.

JUROR: Yeah. So I was able to confirm that it's 30

business days, but that still leaves one week where I don't

have income other than what I'm paid to be here, which is $60 a

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day. I would have to ask my employer if I could potentially

get an extension on getting more jury duty days, but as of

right now, it's 30 business days confirmed.

THE COURT: Okay. I'd like you to contact your

employer——

JUROR: Okay.

THE COURT: ——and make that inquiry.

JUROR: Okay. I'll send them an email tonight and

then I'm assuming tomorrow I'll call up with an update or

whatever.

THE COURT: I'd like you to do that sooner, but I'm

going to think about it.

JUROR: Oh, okay. Do you still need me or——

THE COURT: I don't, no.

JUROR: Okay.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: So we can see where we stand at the end of

the day.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: What number are you?

JUROR: 191.

THE COURT: 191. Go ahead. You were going to make an

inquiry for us.

JUROR: I wasn't able to find out. So I don't have my

work phone with me because they wouldn't let me bring my phone,

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so the people I called didn't know. I can find out by 5:00

tonight, after 5, when I leave here, but I just——I wasn't able

to find out.

THE COURT: All right. We'll be in touch.

JUROR: All right. Cool. Thanks.

(Juror not present)

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. Your number?

JUROR: 113.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is the problem?

JUROR: I just learned during the break that my

company will not cover my salary during the extent of the case

if I were to be chosen as a juror, and I cannot afford not to

have that income. I'm a single family——single-income family of

five. I'm responsible for mortgage and three children in a

private school. And I just wouldn't be able to meet my

responsibilities if I weren't going to get my salary on a

regular basis.

THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Is there any objection to my excusing

No. 113?

MR. KAMARAJU: No, your Honor.

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MS. MURRAY: Your Honor, I'm just curious what company

he works for that doesn't pay for jury duty.

THE COURT: All right. Well, we'll get him back after

we hear from this juror.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Hi again. Hi there. What was the date of

the graduation you have to attend?

JUROR: June 25th, Tuesday.

THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: What number was she? 180. She is 180.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi, sir. Who is your employer?

JUROR: Culinary Group.

THE COURT: What is that?

JUROR: Dining services.

THE COURT: Dining services. All right. You may step

back.

(Juror not present)

MS. MURRAY: No objection, your Honor.

THE COURT: That's it?

(In open court)

THE COURT: Do any of you have any personal knowledge

of the charges in this case?

Please step up.

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(At the sidebar; juror present)

THE COURT: Hi. What is your number? 101?

JUROR: Correct.

THE COURT: You can step back.

(Juror not present)

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?

JUROR: 133.

THE COURT: And what is the issue?

JUROR: Well, personal knowledge, not like about the

specifics, all that, but I work in PR. I read the news

religiously all day, every day, in particular investigative

reporters that I work with, so I have read a lot of press. I

read

The New York Times

cover to cover every day, and I know

that just a month ago, one of the investigative reporters that

we read whatever they write, wrote a very big, long article, so

I understand the details of the case in a way that maybe——

THE COURT: So you're 133.

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Okay. You can step back.

(Juror not present)

MS. MURRAY: Your Honor, would it make sense for the

attorneys to stay here?

THE COURT: That's fine if you want to.

MS. MURRAY: That's fine with us, if it's more

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efficient.

THE COURT: Yes.

MS. MURRAY: Thank you.

(In open court)

THE COURT: Is there anything about the nature of the

charges that would prevent you from being a fair and impartial

juror?

(At the sidebar; juror present)

THE COURT: Hi. You're No. 101?

JUROR: 103.

THE COURT: 103? You may step back.

(Juror not present)

(Next juror present)

JUROR: 123.

THE COURT: You're 123?

JUROR: Yeah.

THE COURT: You may step back.

(Juror not present)

(Next juror present)

JUROR: 133.

THE COURT: You may step back.

(Juror not present)

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: What number are you?

JUROR: 144.

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THE COURT: Did you say 144?

JUROR: 144.

THE COURT: 144. And what is your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what did you want to tell me?

JUROR: I've personally invested in lifestyle branding

in——within the cryptocurrency space, and I——I never got my

money back.

THE COURT: Are you saying that you invested in an

entity associated with the defendant here, Mr. Guo?

JUROR: No, not his, one of his companies, although I

do know of G Coin and some of his subsidiaries.

THE COURT: So would that prevent you from being a

fair and impartial juror?

JUROR: Yeah.

THE COURT: Why?

JUROR: Because I've——I felt like I was robbed of my

money.

THE COURT: So you don't——you had no direct dealings

with any of Mr. Guo's entities; is that correct?

JUROR: No. Correct.

THE COURT: So can you put aside your negative

experience that you had in dealing with another entity and come

into the courtroom with an open mind and listen to the witness

testimony and review the documentary evidence and be a fair and

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impartial juror?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: All righty. Then step back, sir.

(Juror not present)

MR. KAMARAJU: We're going to register an objection

that he should be excused for cause, your Honor.

THE COURT: All right. I think that he was

rehabilitated.

MR. KAMARAJU: I think his original answer was that he

felt that he had been defrauded by cryptocurrency and that he

had outside knowledge of the case and was familiar with G Coins

already.

MS. SHROFF: He said he was robbed, not even

defrauded. He said he was robbed, and your Honor——

THE COURT: Let's bring him back.

MS. SHROFF: Also, it's very hard to say no to a

judge.

THE COURT: It's all right. I'm only 4 foot 11½.

MS. SHROFF: So am I. And we're both ferocious.

(Juror present again)

THE COURT: So you mentioned that you had some

familiarity with entities related to Mr. Guo; is that right?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: That familiarity, would that prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror?

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JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: All right. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: What is the number?

ALL COUNSEL: 144.

THE COURT: All right. So he is dismissed for cause.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?

JUROR: 129.

THE COURT: You may step back.

JUROR: I may step back? Oh.

(Juror not present)

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: What is your number? 134? All righty.

You may step back.

JUROR: Oh, okay.

(Juror not present)

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Hi. Your number?

JUROR: 134. Or 143. Sorry.

THE COURT: Okay. You can step back.

JUROR: Like this? Oh.

(Juror not present)

(Next juror present)

JUROR: 162.

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THE COURT: You may step back.

JUROR: Okay. Go back?

(Juror not present)

(Next juror present)

JUROR: 165.

THE COURT: You may go back.

(Juror not present)

(Next juror present)

JUROR: Hi.

THE COURT: Your number?

JUROR: 176.

THE COURT: You may go back.

JUROR: Go back? You don't want me here?

THE COURT: You can go back.

(Juror not present)

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Your number again?

JUROR: 184.

THE COURT: You may go back.

(Juror not present)

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Your number?

JUROR: 185.

THE COURT: You may go back.

(Juror not present)

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(In open court)

THE COURT: The government is represented here by the

United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York,

Damian Williams. This trial will be in the immediate charge of

Assistant United States Attorneys Micah Fergenson, Ryan Finkel,

Justin Horton, and Juliana Murray. They will be assisted by

paralegals Michael Gartland, Isabelle Loftus, and Geoffrey

Mearns.

Please stand and face the jurors.

The defendant in the case is Miles Guo.

Mr. Guo, please stand and face the jurors.

Mr. Guo is represented by his attorneys Sidhardha

Kamaraju and Sabrina Shroff, Matthew Barkan and E. Scott

Schirick. Mr. Kamaraju and Mr. Barkan are with the law firm of

Pryor Cashman LLP, and Mr. Schirick is with the law firm of

Alston & Bird. Do any of you know Mr. Guo or any of the

individuals that I have just identified?

Have any of you, your family members, or close friends

had any personal or business dealings, directly or indirectly,

with any of these individuals, including the defendant?

Have any of you, or your relatives or close friends,

had any association or business dealings with any member of the

staff of Pryor Cashman LLP or Alston & Bird?

What is your number?

JUROR: 127.

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THE COURT: And your dealings?

JUROR: They were adversaries on cases, and I know

people at the law firm.

THE COURT: Okay. Thank you.

JUROR: Juror 144. I've worked with an attorney at

Pryor Cashman as a client.

THE COURT: Okay.

JUROR: Likewise. Oh, Juror 182. Likewise. I know

lawyers at both Pryor Cashman and Alston & Bird.

THE COURT: Okay. Anybody else?

I'm now going to read the names of potential witnesses

in this case as well as other individuals whose names may be

mentioned during the trial:

Aaron Mitchell. Adalberto Cattabriga. Alex Soltani.

Alex Hadjicharalambous. Alexandra Gale. Amin Shams. Amy

Buck. Ana Izquierdo. Andrew Zitman. Anthony Alecci. Anthony

Dibatista. Anthony Martinez. Ava Chan. Baorong Liu. Bin

Guo. BJ Pendergast. Bo Collins. Bruce Frederick. Chelsea

Grady. Chingwa Wang. Do any of you know any of these

individuals or have any of your family members or close friends

had dealings, directly or indirectly, with those individuals?

I'm now going to read another list of names:

Christina Schatz. Christine Frosini. Christine Li.

Courtney Benitez. Crystal Wang. Damon Lope. Daniel

Podhaskie. Darren Blanton. Darren Loos. David Lasky. Defeng

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Cao, also known as Wayne. Doaa Dashoush. Ehsan Haque. Ehsan

Mahsud. Elaine Dellapia. Erica Buonocore. Erin McNamara.

Fay Fay. Gabriela Luciano. Do any of you know or have any of

your family members or close friends had any dealings, directly

or indirectly, with those people?

JUROR: Juror 144. I don't know if it's any relation,

but Christina Li.

THE COURT: Okay. Thank you.

Do any of you know or have you had direct dealings

with the following people:

Giacomo Mattioli; Gladys Chow; Haidong Hao; Haitham

Khaled; Haley Richins; Haoran He; Hongfei Guo; Isabelle

Despins; Jamie Wilson; Jammy Tam; Janie Du; Jason Miller; Jenny

Li; Jeremy Tempkin; Jesse Brown; Jessica Mastrogiovanni;

Jessica Volchko; Jian Peng; and Jianhu Yi? Anyone?

JUROR: Juror 169. The name's probably kind of

common, but Jason Miller is a counterparty at a vendor.

THE COURT: You said you were 169? Okay. Thank you.

Anyone else?

JUROR: 182. Jeremy Tempkin is a close friend of

mine.

THE COURT: Thank you.

All right. I'm going to read some more names:

Jieyu Bian. John Morgan. Joseph Hugdahl. Juliana

Lister. Justine Atwood. Karin Maistrello. Katherine Miles.

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Katrina Laperuta. Kelly Noh. Kevin Ma. Kin Min (William) Je.

Kit Addleman. Kyle Bass. Lan You. Le Zhou. Lee Chu.

Limarie Reyes Molinaris. Lin Chao. Lonny Soza. Louie

Bonsoukan.

Anyone?

JUROR: Juror 141. Kyle Bass is a client of my firm,

a large broker-dealer.

THE COURT: Anybody else?

JUROR: Juror 169. A co-worker, Kevin Ma.

THE COURT: Juror 141, would you step up, please.

(At the sidebar)

THE COURT: So I thought you folks were going to

remain here.

MR. FERGENSON: Then when you introduced us, we wanted

to be at the table.

THE COURT: Oh, that's a good idea. Very good.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: All righty. Sir, you're number 141?

JUROR: 141.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what is your relationship with Kyle

Bass?

JUROR: So I work in prime brokerage, and we finance

his——his hedge fund, Hayman Capital, so we lend them stock, we

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lend them money to make investments, and I talk to his staff,

and I've talked to him probably a few times but usually just

his staff. He's covered all my team. So the guy who sits

right beside me covers Hayman, and I back him up a lot.

THE COURT: Do you have any strong feelings about him?

JUROR: No, not particularly. I know he's got

feelings about China, and I've seen him on CNBC all the time,

but my interaction is pretty limited with him. It's more with

his——Hayman Capital.

THE COURT: Do you have any feelings about Hayman

Capital?

JUROR: Not particularly. It's just one of our hedge

fund clients.

THE COURT: If I were to tell you that he would be a

witness in this case, would you be able to judge his testimony

in the same way that you would judge anyone else's testimony?

JUROR: I think so.

THE COURT: What do you mean you think so?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Would you feel that you had to see him

favorably, more favorably than another witness because of your

business relationship with him?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Would you have a bias against him?

JUROR: No.

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THE COURT: All right. You can step back, for a

moment. You'll just step back to where this young lady is

standing.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: What do you want me to ask?

MR. KAMARAJU: Just if the fact that the case involves

allegations regarding an investment at Hayman, whether that

would affect his ability to be impartial at all.

MS. SHROFF: Also, your Honor, I think that he should

be told that Mr. Bass is a cooperating witness for the

government.

MR. FINKEL: Whoa.

MS. SHROFF: Please don't interrupt me. I'm speaking.

You're free to talk after me.

The government is going to call Kyle Bass as its

witness. He would literally have to return a verdict——he would

have to feel confident that he could return a verdict and not

have a problem telling Kyle Bass or anyone who works for Kyle

Bass that, I sided with the other side. So that would be an

issue, right? Kyle Bass is going to testify. He manages Kyle

Bass's fund. Part of his income depends on what Kyle Bass and

Kyle Bass's fund does. So somebody would actually have to have

the strength to return a verdict against that entity for whom

they work. I mean, you'd have to have——

THE COURT: So isn't there an inherent conflict?

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MS. SHROFF: Yes. That's why he should be excused for

cause, without a doubt.

MR. FINKEL: No objection.

MR. KAMARAJU: That's our view.

THE COURT: All righty. I'm going to dismiss him for

cause.

MR. FINKEL: Just for the record, Kyle Bass is not a

cooperating witness.

THE COURT: Okay. That's it.

(In open court)

THE COURT: Going through another list of names:

Lu Zhu. Luc Despins. Madeleine Despins. Maggie

Sklar. Maggie Murphy. Marios Mamzeris. Mark Williams.

Marvin James Sawyer. Matt Smith. Matteo Gandini. Matthew

Pottinger. Max Krasner. Mei Guo. Melissa Baccari. Melissa

Francis. Melissa Mendez. Meng Tong Zang. Minran Wu. Na

Zhou. Nicholas DiMarino.

Anyone familiar with those individuals or have any

relatives or close friends who have dealings with those

individuals?

Nickie Lum Davis. Nicole Torres. Nicole Tsai. Nina

Peng. Olivia Sebade. Paolo Sozzi. Patrick Chin. Patrick

York. Paul Doran. Paul Hinton. Prakazrel Michel. Priya

Patel. Qiang Guo, also known as Mileson. Qidong Xia, also

known as "Long Island David." Rachel Campbell. Rachel

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Cartwright. Ray Dragon. Robert Stout. Robin Mokhtar. Ross

Heinemeyer.

Anybody know those individuals or have relatives or

close friends who have dealings with those individuals?

I continue: Ruizheng An, also known as Ryan and

"Crab." Russell Stockil. Ryan Sears. Sam Roberts. Sara Wei.

Scott Barnett. Shamel Medrano. Simon Je. Sophia Chen.

Steele Schottenheimer. Steve Bannon. Steve Weber. Tedroy

Wilson. Tom Bishop. Tom O'Leary. Una Wilkinson. Victor

Cerda. William Kumpf. Xiaobo He. Xiaoke Min.

Do any of you know those individuals or have relatives

or close friends who have dealings with them?

More names: Ya Li. Yanping (Yvette) Wang. Yanping

Liu. Yi Shing Lee. YinYang Wang, also known as Aila.

Yongbing Zhang. Zachary Effting. Zhaoying Ye. And Zhengqiao

Du.

Anyone know these individuals or have relatives or

close friends who have dealings with those people?

The witnesses in this case may include one or more of

what is known as an accomplice or cooperating witness, a person

who has admitted to participating in crimes related to the

indictment, as well as other crimes. Is there anything about

the fact that cooperating witnesses may testify in this case

that would prevent you from being a fair and impartial juror?

I'm now going to read the names of potential

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businesses or entities that may be mentioned during the trial:

ACA Capital. Armanino. Bank of Princeton. Bitgo,

Brioni. Dallas Lamborghini. Eastern Profit. Ferrari Beverly

Hills. Freedom Media Ventures. G Bank. G Coins. G Clubs. G

Fashion. G Mall. G Media. G Music. G News. Gettr. Golden

Spring. Greenwich Land.

Do you or family members or close friends have

dealings with these entities?

Okay. What is your number?

JUROR: (106) It's Giter, G-I-T-E-R?

THE COURT: No. G-E-T-T-R. So you don't have any

relationship to that? Okay. I'm going to go forward with——oh.

JUROR: Juror 144. Bitgo.

THE COURT: Okay. Thank you.

I want to go through some other names of entities.

GTV. H Coin. Hamilton Investment. Hayman Capital.

HCHK Property Management. HCHK Technologies. Himalaya

Exchange. Himalaya Farm Alliance. HR Owen. Hudson Diamond.

Jovial Century. Jumio. Maywind. MBaer Bank. Mercantile

Bank. Mountains of Spices. New Federal State of China.

NexBank. OSC/Orbit Service Company.

If you have already spoken to me at the sidebar about

any of these entities, you need not answer now. So anybody

know these entities or have family members or close friends who

have dealt with these entities?

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I'm going to go further down the list.

Passione Rossa. Phaxis. Post Oak Motors.

Promemoria. RH Southeby's, spelled S-O-U-T-H-E-B-Y apostrophe

S. Rule of Law Foundation. Rule of Law Society. Strategic

Vision. Taurus Management. Voice of Guo. Voice of Good.

Anyone know these entities or have family members or

close friends who have dealt with them?

JUROR: Can you please confirm that you said

Sotheby's?

THE COURT: Well, this is not spelled the same way as

Sotheby's. Sotheby's does not have a U. This is called RH and

S-O-U-T-H-E-B-Y apostrophe S. My understanding is that

Sotheby's does not have a U. If anybody wants to correct me,

that would be fine.

Yes. Okay. So——

JUROR: Okay. It's the other Sotheby's. Never mind.

THE COURT: Okay. All righty. I'm going to continue

with another list. And this is a list of locations where

events in this case took place.

188 East 64th Street in Manhattan.

19 Houhai Beiyan, Xicheng District, Beijing, People's

Republic of China.

20 South Bay Road, Repulse Bay, Hong Kong.

3 Columbus Circle, New York, New York.

373 Taconic Road, Greenwich, Connecticut.

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The Crocker Mansion, 675 Ramapo Valley Road, Mahwah,

New Jersey.

Pangu 7 Star Hotel, Beijing, Chaoyang, Beijing,

People's Republic of China.

Sherry-Netherland, 781 Fifth Avenue, Apartment 1801,

in Manhattan.

Are any of you familiar with these locations?

Your number?

JUROR: 108. My father works at the Sherry-Netherland

Hotel.

THE COURT: Okay. What is his job there?

JUROR: He's a houseman.

THE COURT: And has your father brought up anything

having to do with this case?

JUROR: Not to my knowledge, no.

THE COURT: All right. Counsel, would you approach,

please.

(At the sidebar)

THE COURT: Are there any further questions you would

like me to ask?

MR. KAMARAJU: I think it would be helpful to know the

period of her father's employment.

THE COURT: Let's assume that he was employed during

the time in question. Anything further?

MR. SCHIRICK: Whether she's aware of the fire, maybe;

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whether she heard from her father about the fire.

MR. FINKEL: The fire is not going to be evidence.

THE COURT: The fire is not coming in.

MS. SHROFF: I understand. I was more interested in

hearing about whether or not her father had ever expressed any

views of the tenants at Sherry-Netherland, you know, that's

all, because it could——one could be left with a bias if

somebody, you know, like the other gentleman who came forward

and said——

THE COURT: He doesn't like rich people.

MR. KAMARAJU: Or she may not know him by the name

Miles Guo.

MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, if I may, maybe just the

question, have you heard anything from him about the defendant,

Miles Guo, and if the answer is no——

MS. SHROFF: That doesn't cover the bias.

MR. KAMARAJU: She may not know him by the name Miles

Guo. Her father may have said, like, there's a rich Chinese

tenant——

THE COURT: Was he a tenant or did he own that?

MR. KAMARAJU: Well, his family owned it.

MS. MURRAY: It's a hotel and it's a condominium

complex.

THE COURT: So it's not a rental.

MR. KAMARAJU: No.

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THE COURT: All right. Let's have her come up.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. You're No. 108.

JUROR: That's correct.

THE COURT: Has your father made comments to you about

the people who live at the hotel, rather, the condominium

section of the hotel?

JUROR: Yes, I'm aware of certain tenants that occupy

the building, or rather own floors in the building, now that

that is something that is allowed.

THE COURT: Has he mentioned Miles Guo?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Has he mentioned a Mr. Kwok?

JUROR: Correct, yes, he has.

THE COURT: And what has he said?

JUROR: That he tried to burn the floor down, if I may

be so frank.

THE COURT: Okay. All right then. You may step back.

JUROR: Sure.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Okay. Well, I think she needs to be

dismissed for cause.

MS. SHROFF: Thank you, your Honor.

MR. KAMARAJU: Thank you, your Honor.

THE COURT: Okay.

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(In open court)

THE COURT: Anyone else?

JUROR: Juror 199. 3 Columbus Circle.

THE COURT: I'm sorry. There you are. And what is

your relationship to that location?

JUROR: I worked at that building.

THE COURT: In what capacity?

JUROR: My company had an office there.

THE COURT: And during what period of time?

JUROR: 2020-2023.

THE COURT: 2020-2023?

(At the sidebar)

THE COURT: What is the defendant's relationship to

that location?

MS. MURRAY: So the defendant moved the operations of

various entities from the townhouse on the Upper East Side to 3

Columbus Circle. They operated on two different floors. It

would be family offices, Gettr, HCHK, a number of the other

entities named as members of the conspiracy. It's a very large

conference building right off the Time Warner. We'd be

interested to know what company she works for and whether she

had any dealings with any of those floors or any of those

entities.

THE COURT: What floors are those?

MS. MURRAY: I believe they're 20 and 22.

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THE COURT: Okay.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?

JUROR: 199.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what floor was your company on?

JUROR: 5.

THE COURT: On 5. And did you have any dealings with

the companies on floors 20 and 22?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Were you familiar with any of the names of

the entities, companies that I mentioned in the long list?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

MS. SHROFF: That's fine.

THE COURT: Yeah, I don't see any reason to dismiss

her.

(In open court)

THE COURT: Do any of you know or have any of you or a

member of your family or close friends had any association or

business dealings with any member of the staff of the United

States Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York,

the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Securities and

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Exchange Commission, or the SEC, or the Department of Homeland

Security?

For those of you who have already informed me of

relationships with any of those governmental entities, you need

not tell me again.

JUROR: Juror 203. This pertains to the previous

question. I just——I work at 1 Columbus Circle, and I know of

that area.

THE COURT: Okay. Thank you.

JUROR: 151. My cousin's husband works for the FBI.

THE COURT: I'm sorry. You're 151 and your——

JUROR: And my cousin's husband works for the FBI.

THE COURT: Your cousin's husband works for the FBI.

Are you close to your cousin?

JUROR: Pretty much, yeah.

THE COURT: Are you close to her husband?

JUROR: Somewhat. Not as close as I am to her.

THE COURT: All right. Thank you for letting me know.

JUROR: No problem.

THE COURT: Remember, if you've already answered the

question, please don't answer again.

Go ahead.

JUROR: 162. I work for the Securities and Exchange

Commission. I put that on the form, but I'm not sure whether

that got to you or not.

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THE COURT: Okay. Thank you.

JUROR: Juror 141. A good friend of mine used to run

the——he was the head prosecutor for the U.S. Southern District

of New York.

THE COURT: All right. Who's next?

JUROR: Hi. I am currently the coordinator for——160.

I'm currently the coordinator for County of Rockland, and I

have tried several District——US District Court cases, civil

cases, with the U.S. Attorney's Office.

THE COURT: Thank you.

Anyone else?

JUROR: 127. My brother was an enforcement attorney

at the SEC.

THE COURT: Thank you.

Anyone else?

JUROR: 194. My daughter worked for Homeland

Security.

THE COURT: Did you say 134?

JUROR: 194.

THE COURT: 194. Okay. Thank you.

Anyone else?

JUROR: 154. My boyfriend works for Homeland

Security.

MS. SHROFF: I'm sorry. I didn't hear that.

THE COURT: 154 says that her boyfriend works for

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Homeland Security.

Thanks for telling me.

JUROR: 108. I work for the Department of Homeland

Security.

THE COURT: All right. Thank you.

Have you or a family member——I'm sorry? Oh, one more?

JUROR: 149. Former relationship with a special

agent.

THE COURT: All righty. Thank you.

Have you or a family member or close friend ever been

employed by any federal, state, or local law enforcement agency

or the justice system? Only answer to the extent that you have

not answered that question already.

What number are you?

JUROR: 125.

THE COURT: Okay. Go ahead.

JUROR: May I approach instead of——

THE COURT: Yes, you may.

(At the sidebar; juror present)

THE COURT: Your number again?

JUROR: 125.

THE COURT: Go ahead.

JUROR: Yeah. I apologize if I missed the opportunity

on a form, 'cause this goes to this area. My dad's a retired

judge.

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THE COURT: And where did he work?

JUROR: Bronx. He was a New York State Supreme Court

justice.

THE COURT: What's his name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: Yes. Absolutely.

Is there anything about your father's career or his

work that would prevent you from being a fair and impartial

juror?

JUROR: I believe I'm kind of biased toward justice,

that if something gets to the point of trial, it's——takes a lot

of work and effort to get there, so I'm——and I've been told by

friends that I tend to be biased, you know, towards the side

of——

THE COURT: In what regard?

JUROR: ——justice.

THE COURT: Yes. I think we all like justice. But

you're saying you're biased in favor of one party here or the

other?

JUROR: No particular party, but just in general, my

tendency is to err on the side——like, if somebody got to the

point of trial, they most likely are guilty.

THE COURT: You're saying that if someone's been

accused of a crime, you think they are guilty, most likely.

JUROR: That's——that's how I feel. That's what

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friends have told me.

THE COURT: And so you have a bias against the

defendant in that case then.

JUROR: I may—— that may——may be, you know, conscious,

subconscious, but that's what I——what I've been told.

THE COURT: Okay. All righty. You may step back.

JUROR: Oh, if I may, I also have several family

members that work in the court system. If that has any impact.

THE COURT: Okay. Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Okay.

MS. SHROFF: I guess it's if the barbells didn't do

it, I guess——

THE COURT: This is 125?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Okay. Who else?

(Next juror present)

JUROR: My son is NYPD. He's a cop.

THE COURT: Thank you very much. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

(Next juror present)

JUROR: 138.

THE COURT: Go ahead.

JUROR: My niece is an FBI agent.

THE COURT: And is there anything about her work that

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would prevent you from being a fair and impartial juror in this

case?

JUROR: We don't discuss her work.

THE COURT: So if we have people who work for the FBI

as witnesses, can you judge their testimony in the same way

that you would judge any other person's testimony?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: And do you think that you would believe

that it's more likely that they would tell the truth?

JUROR: I would hear what they have to say and make a

judgment based on what they say.

THE COURT: All right. So you don't feel that you

have a bias in favor——

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: ——of law enforcement.

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Do you have a bias against law

enforcement?

JUROR: Not at all.

THE COURT: Okay, then. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: That's it?

(In open court)

THE COURT: Have you or a family member, either

individually or in the course of business, ever been party to

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any legal action or dispute with the United States or with any

of the offices, departments, agencies, or employees of the

United States, or had any interest in any such legal action or

dispute or its outcome?

JUROR: Juror 179. I have a bit of a situation with

the Department of Social Services in Rockland County.

THE COURT: All righty. Thank you.

Anyone else?

JUROR: Juror 189. I had a, in Rockland

County——what's it called——I got a fine for doing some handiwork

without a license. Construction.

THE COURT: So how was that resolved?

JUROR: I just paid a fine.

THE COURT: Do you know what agency that was that you

were dealing with?

JUROR: Rockland County.

THE COURT: In other words, was it the Department of

Buildings?

JUROR: Buildings.

THE COURT: And did you feel that they treated you

fairly?

JUROR: Yeah, I guess so. I don't know——I don't know

the procedures really, so I think so. I'm not sure. Yeah, I

guess so. I'm here today.

THE COURT: Well, sometimes when we have a dealing

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with the government, we might feel that we're not being treated

fairly, and so that's what I'm trying to get at. Do you feel

that you were treated fairly?

JUROR: I think so, yeah.

THE COURT: Would that experience that you had with

them cause you to have a bias in favor of the government in

this case?

JUROR: I don't——I'm not sure. I don't know.

Probably.

THE COURT: Okay. Anybody else?

Your number again, sir?

JUROR: 189.

THE COURT: 189.

Does anyone have any bias, prejudice, or other strong

feelings for or against the United States Department of

Justice, United States Attorney's Office, or any law

enforcement agency?

Your number, sir?

JUROR: 179.

THE COURT: Go ahead.

JUROR: I just believe justice is a fallacy.

THE COURT: All right. Anybody else?

JUROR: Juror 159. My sister-in-law is a public

defender so that's impacted my view of the justice system.

THE COURT: Okay. Go ahead. Anybody else?

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Have any of you read, heard, or seen anything in the

newspapers or on the internet or on TV about this case?

And I'm only asking about those who have not already

answered this question.

I'd like you to step up, please.

(At the sidebar; juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. What is your number?

JUROR: 127.

THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.

JUROR: I'm sorry?

THE COURT: You may step back.

JUROR: Okay, thanks.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Hi. What's your number?

JUROR: 121.

THE COURT: You may step back.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Hi. What's your number?

JUROR: 129.

THE COURT: You may step back.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. What's your number?

JUROR: 143.

THE COURT: You may step back.

(Next juror present)

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THE COURT: Your number?

JUROR: 151.

THE COURT: 151? You may step back.

JUROR: Okay.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Your number, sir?

JUROR: 159.

THE COURT: You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Your number?

JUROR: 166.

THE COURT: Okay. And so what is it that you'd like

to tell me?

JUROR: Oh, I first became aware of the defendant——I

first became aware of the defendant when actually Steve Bannon

was arrested. I think he was on his boat. And then I've just

kind of been following that and seeing that this was coming to

trial.

THE COURT: So it's normal that you would read the

newspaper or——

JUROR: Sure.

THE COURT: ——listen to the TV, and this has gotten

media attention, and so the question becomes then, can you put

aside what you've already heard and come into the courtroom

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with an open mind, hear the witness testimony, look at the

evidence, the documentary evidence, and follow my instructions

on the law and be a fair and impartial juror?

JUROR: I would say yes normally, but the tie of Steve

Bannon just for me, and then that further tie onto the former

president, I feel like any strong connections like that

make——I'm very distrustful of those individuals, so I don't

know that I could be impartial.

THE COURT: So everyone comes to this courtroom with

biases. I have biases. But I have to put them aside in order

to——

JUROR: I will do my best.

THE COURT: Well, I need to know more than that. I

want to know whether, being aware of the biases that you

already expressed, can you come in, put the biases aside, and

listen to what the witnesses have to say, read the documents

that are put into evidence, follow my instructions on the law,

and be a fair and impartial juror?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: What number was that?

MS. SHROFF: 166.

THE COURT: She was rehabilitated.

MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, may we just make a record on

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why she should be excused for cause.

THE COURT: Go right ahead.

MS. SHROFF: And I think partially we just want to

make sure that the Court is aware, because I think there is

some degree of concern on our part that because the Court

doesn't have before it exactly the evidence the government is

going to introduce about Mr. Bannon, we'd like the Court to

just note, this is one of the government's exhibits. It's

going to be testified to in the summary chart. And it is not

just Steve Bannon and Mr. Guo and their relationship. They're

in a relationship where they jointly announce a million

dollars' worth of a transaction, and we have a person who has

now said that she did not know "if I can be impartial," she

could normally but she would not because, two reasons——the tie

to Steve Bannon and the former president. I know the Court

said that everybody has a bias and then she had a long shrug

and then she said she would try. So I think that——

THE COURT: So what question would you like me to put

to her?

MS. SHROFF: I think the question at the very least

that should be put to her is, if she heard testimony that Steve

Bannon and Miles Guo were in a joint venture and Mr. Bannon and

Mr. Guo shared a personal friendship, would she still be able

to evaluate Steve Bannon-related testimony fairly, would that

in any way improperly impact her decision-making? Because

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here's the concern we've had——and I think we were planning to

raise this down the road with Nos. 11 and 15——that it's not a

business relationship. It's not simply a business

relationship. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have a business

relationship. There's also a trust, a sort of like——it's much

more; it's almost like a partnership, right? The two of them

are walking in tandem. Kamala Harris is never going to say

anything negative about Joe Biden or the other way. They have

each other's back. That's the level of the relationship. He

was arrested on that person's boat, that the testimony is he's

been on that boat for weeks. The government is going to ask

them to draw the conclusion that these two men are tight.

They're co-conspirators. Not just co-conspirators, but they

have a relationship so deep that one would speak for the other.

It goes beyond what the government is just sort of saying, it's

a business relationship. That's not how the evidence is going

to come in.

MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, if I may.

THE COURT: Yes.

MR. FINKEL: Miles Guo is on trial, not Steve Bannon.

I think the question that your Honor asked to the juror was an

appropriate one, which is, understanding everyone enters this

courtroom with some preconceived notions and some biases, can

you put those to the side and evaluate the evidence in this

trial, and she said yes. I would have no objection——the

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government would have no objection to your Honor inquiring

about whether her knowledge of Steve Bannon would bias her

against the defendant. If she answered yes to that question,

the government would probably agree that she should be struck

for cause. But seeing a negative answer to that question,

there should not be a strike for cause. Of course she'd be

subject to peremptory challenges.

MS. SHROFF: She should be stricken for cause. She

literally just said the thing that would topple her the most

is——she literally said, in a normal circumstance, I would be

able to put it aside. The tie to Steve Bannon, that——those

were her words, the tie to Steve Bannon. And here, the

government——Mr. Bannon is on trial because they've argued that

he's a co-conspirator and those two acted in tandem. That is

why they're trying to get in his statement and all of the other

co-conspirator statements, right?

THE COURT: So what if I were to ask her that if Steve

Bannon is an unindicted co-conspirator, would that cause her to

have a bias against Mr. Guo?

MS. SHROFF: That would be a fair question, as long as

she understands what an unindicted co-conspirator is. If you

can tell her the allegations here are that Mr. Guo and

Mr. Bannon worked hand in hand, according to the government,

could you still be fair to Mr. Guo, that would be an okay

question.

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THE COURT: All right.

MR. FINKEL: Whether she could put whatever biases she

has to the side.

MS. SHROFF: The question——

MR. FINKEL: Excuse me, Ms. Shroff.

THE COURT: One moment. One moment.

Go ahead.

MR. FINKEL: All I was saying is that the question is

whether, ultimately, anyone can put away what they know about

and learned about outside the courtroom and evaluate what's in

the courtroom, following your Honor's instructions, and if a

juror can do that, she shouldn't be struck for cause.

MS. SHROFF: It's not a question of bias and common

sense from the outside, right? What you're saying is, Bannon

is untrustworthy, so Miles Guo is untrustworthy. Bannon is

making a promise that you cannot rely on because you have

negative opinions of Bannon, and where Bannon goes, Guo goes.

So in essence, you are asking for her to distinguish between

the two. If you accept that the two are close, would you then

be able to evaluate and give a fair verdict to Guo because of

the feelings towards Bannon?

(Juror present)

THE COURT: You have said that you have negative

feelings about Steve Bannon.

JUROR: Yes.

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THE COURT: The prosecution alleges that Mr. Bannon

conspired with Mr. Guo to commit crimes. Would you be able to

put aside your feelings about Mr. Bannon and be fair and

impartial as a juror to Mr. Guo?

JUROR: I guess the best I can answer to that is I

don't know.

THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

MS. SHROFF: We challenge for cause.

THE COURT: All right.

MR. KAMARAJU: In case it wasn't obvious.

MR. FINKEL: For the record, no objection from the

government.

THE COURT: What number was that?

MS. SHROFF: 166.

THE COURT: I hope we can get a jury.

MR. FINKEL: It's kind of close.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: What number are you?

JUROR: 176.

THE COURT: All righty. You can step back.

Was that it? Okay.

(In open court)

THE COURT: This trial will likely generate media

attention. Will each of you follow my instruction that you

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should absolutely avoid reading, watching, or listening to

media reports concerning the case, including coverage of the

case on social media like Facebook, Twitter, blogs, etc., until

after the case is over? Can you all promise that to me?

THE JURORS: Yes.

THE COURT: Is there anybody who cannot follow that

instruction?

Will each of you follow my instruction that you may

not research or talk about the case with other people until the

case is over?

THE JURORS: Yes.

THE COURT: Is there anyone who cannot follow that

instruction, or will not follow that instruction?

As I mentioned, during the trial, you will hear

evidence concerning an alleged racketeering conspiracy

involving wire fraud, securities fraud, bank fraud, and money

laundering. Will the nature of the charges affect your ability

to render a fair verdict?

Have you or anyone else close to you been involved in

any proceeding involving United States Securities and Exchange

Commission, or the SEC?

If you have already answered this question, please do

not answer again.

Have you or anyone close to you ever filed for

bankruptcy or been involved in a bankruptcy proceeding?

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JUROR: I had to declare personal bankruptcy——oh,

sorry. 111.

THE COURT: Go ahead.

JUROR: Yes. I had to declare bankruptcy, personal

bankruptcy, over 20 years ago.

THE COURT: Okay. Thank you.

JUROR: 204. I filed for bankruptcy.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step up.

(At the sidebar; juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. Are you No. 204?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: What's your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And when is it that you applied for

bankruptcy?

JUROR: Applied or when it happened?

THE COURT: Both.

JUROR: Okay. 2024——about five years ago.

THE COURT: And is the bankruptcy case concluded?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: If you hear anything concerning bankruptcy

in this case, would you be able to put aside your own personal

experience and come into the court with an open mind, listen to

the witness testimony, read the documentary evidence, follow my

instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial juror?

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JUROR: Yeah, sure.

THE COURT: Okay. You can step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Any objection to my keeping her?

MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.

MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. What number are you?

JUROR: 160.

THE COURT: 160. You may step back.

JUROR: Okay.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Is that it? Okay.

(in open court)

THE COURT: Do you or anyone close to you have any

strong views about the Chinese government or the Chinese

Communist Party?

All right. Step up.

(At the sidebar)

THE COURT: What is it that you want me to get at with

this question?

MR. KAMARAJU: I think, like yesterday, if somebody

says they've had contact or knowledge of the Chinese Communist

Party, you can simply ask them, can you put those aside and be

a fair and impartial juror?

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(Juror present)

THE COURT: Okay. What number are you?

JUROR: 101.

THE COURT: All right. You may step back.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: What number are you, sir?

JUROR: 113.

THE COURT: You may step back.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Your number, sir?

JUROR: 111.

THE COURT: You may step back.

JUROR: Okay.

(Next juror present)

JUROR: 130.

THE COURT: 130. You may step back.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Your number?

JUROR: 131.

THE COURT: 131. You may step back.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Your number?

JUROR: 166.

THE COURT: You may step back.

(Next juror present)

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THE COURT: Your number?

JUROR: 168.

THE COURT: You may step back.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Your number?

JUROR: 174.

THE COURT: And what is it that you feel about the

Chinese government or the Chinese Communist Party?

JUROR: Well, it's more government. Just geopolitical

aggression.

THE COURT: All right. So can you put aside what you

know about the Chinese government or what you heard about it

and come into the courtroom with an open mind and listen to the

witness testimony, read the documentary evidence, follow my

instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial juror?

JUROR: I can try to.

THE COURT: What do you mean try? This is a yes or no

question.

JUROR: Can you repeat the question.

THE COURT: Sure. Can you put aside any feelings you

have about the Chinese government or the Chinese Communist

Party——

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: ——and come into the courtroom with an open

mind, listen to the witness testimony, read the documentary

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evidence, follow my instructions on the law, and be a fair and

impartial juror?

JUROR: Yes. I mean, if it's yes or no, then yes.

THE COURT: Good. Good. You may step back.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: What is your number, sir?

JUROR: 179.

THE COURT: No. 179. Okay. Sir, you can step back.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Hi. What's your number?

JUROR: 180.

THE COURT: 180. Okay.

JUROR: As I mentioned earlier, I work in the media

business. I have a global role. Part of my global team sits

in China so I have a lot of deals there, and just in terms of

operationally, operating that media business, a lot of what

happens there is very different than what we face in the rest

of the world and how we have to conform is——there's a heavy

hand based on what we can and can't do, so I would say that I

do have a negative opinion of it, just based on my own

dealings.

THE COURT: So you're talking about censorship, right?

JUROR: Correct.

THE COURT: So can you——

JUROR: I wasn't sure the nature of your question out

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there, exactly.

THE COURT: Can you put aside your feeling about the

Chinese government and come into the courtroom with an open

mind, listen to the witnesses testify, read the documentary

evidence, follow my instructions on the law, and be a fair and

impartial juror?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: All righty. Step back, please.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: What is your number, please?

JUROR: 148.

THE COURT: 148?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. What's your number?

JUROR: 121.

THE COURT: And you may step back.

THE LAW CLERK: That's it, Judge.

(In open court)

THE COURT: During the trial you may hear testimony

about or from former senior members of the Trump

administration, including Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro. Do

you have any strong views about advisors to former president

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Donald Trump, including Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro, that

would prevent you from being a fair and impartial juror?

Please step up.

(At the sidebar; juror present)

JUROR: 101.

THE COURT: And you may step back.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Your number, sir?

JUROR: 103.

THE COURT: You may step back.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Your number?

JUROR: 116.

THE COURT: You may step back.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Your number?

JUROR: 117.

THE COURT: You may step back.

(Next juror present)

JUROR: 133.

THE COURT: You may step back.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Your number?

JUROR: 152.

THE COURT: You may step back.

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JUROR: Thank you.

(Next juror present)

JUROR: 153.

THE COURT: 153. You may step back.

(Next juror present)

JUROR: 156.

THE COURT: 156. You may step back.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Your number?

JUROR: 166.

THE COURT: You may step back.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Your number?

JUROR: 177.

THE COURT: You may step back.

(Next juror present)

JUROR: 179.

THE COURT: You may step back.

(Next juror present)

JUROR: 174.

THE COURT: All righty. What you would like to tell

me?

JUROR: I just wouldn't believe anything they have to

say.

THE COURT: All right. So if I tell you that they're

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not going to actually be witnesses but their names may come

up——the prosecution alleges that Mr. Bannon conspired with the

defendant, Mr. Guo, to commit crimes. And so you have said you

wouldn't believe them, so I assume then you have negative views

about Mr. Bannon; is that correct?

JUROR: Correct.

THE COURT: Okay. So having heard the accusation that

I've just summarized, would your feelings about Mr. Bannon

prevent you from being fair as a juror to Mr. Guo?

JUROR: Likely. To be honest, yeah, I guess so.

THE COURT: Okay. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: What number was that?

MS. SHROFF: 174.

THE COURT: 174. Okay. He is excused.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Go ahead. What's your number?

JUROR: 143.

THE COURT: 143. You may step back.

(Next juror present)

JUROR: 146.

THE COURT: 146. Okay. Go ahead.

JUROR: I'm Democrat, and any Republican——I wouldn't

trust a Trump advisor at all.

THE COURT: So in this case, the prosecution alleges

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that Steve Bannon conspired with Mr. Guo to commit crimes. The

question is, can you put aside your feelings for Mr. Bannon,

come into the courtroom with an open mind, listen to the

witnesses in the case, read the documentary evidence, follow my

instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial juror to

Mr. Guo?

JUROR: I think so, yeah.

THE COURT: What do you mean by "I think so"? It's a

yes or no question.

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Yes. Okay. You may step back.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: What's your number?

JUROR: 154.

THE COURT: 154. You may step back.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: What's your number?

JUROR: 180.

THE COURT: 180. Go ahead.

JUROR: Okay. So just, Steve Bannon, I think he

was——I mentioned I was a new-ish American, and I didn't become

a US citizen until after the Trump White House because the

voices like Steve Bannon's relative to immigrants that made me

feel very scared, and even after living in this country for

years and years with a green card, I felt very uncomfortable.

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The rhetoric that he put forward was some of the most divisive

and alarming that I've ever seen.

THE COURT: All righty. So if you'll stay with me.

JUROR: All right.

THE COURT: So in this case the prosecution alleges

that Mr. Bannon was a co-conspirator of Mr. Guo, that they

conspired together to commit crimes. Would you be able to put

aside these negative feelings that you have about Mr. Bannon

and come into the court with an open mind, listen to the

witness testimony, read the documentary evidence, follow my

instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial juror for

Mr. Guo?

JUROR: Look, I'd like to say that I would, and I

would——I would try. My hardest and——I just do have deep,

strong feelings relative to what this person has I think vilely

spread across this country. I don't think he's a good person.

So I would try and not let that taint my opinion in this case.

I understand what you're asking. I'm just being truthful.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: And I think she should be dismissed for

cause.

MR. FINKEL: What her feelings were had nothing to do

with his trustworthiness. It was about immigration. If your

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Honor asked her whether she understood that this case has

nothing to do with immigration, whether that impacts her view,

I think that would be appropriate. And for what it's worth,

she said she would try. She didn't hesitate and say no, and

then, well, maybe; she said, yes, I could try. I think it

would be appropriate for further inquiry.

MS. SHROFF: She called him the most vile human being,

vilely spreading rhetoric across the country. Yeah. No.

THE COURT: Vile only about immigration? No. No.

She is struck, No. 180.

(Next juror present)

JUROR: Hi. I'm 181.

THE COURT: 181. You may step back, sir.

JUROR: Okay. Just go back?

THE COURT: Go back to your seat, yes.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there.

JUROR: 182.

THE COURT: Yes. You may step back.

JUROR: Okay.

(Next juror present)

JUROR: 194.

THE COURT: 194. You may step back to your seat.

(Next juror present)

JUROR: 197.

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THE COURT: 197.

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Okay. And what did you want to say?

JUROR: Anything spoken by Bannon is going to be

questionable.

THE COURT: So we're not expecting him to be a witness

here. The prosecution alleges that Mr. Bannon was a

co-conspirator of Mr. Guo, that he and Mr. Guo conspired to

commit crimes. So the question is, can you put aside your

negative feelings about Mr. Bannon and come into the courtroom

with an open mind, listen to the witness testimony, read the

documentary evidence, follow my instructions on the law, and be

a fair and impartial juror for Mr. Guo?

JUROR: I'd try.

THE COURT: Well, it's really a yes or no kind of a

question.

JUROR: Okay. Yeah, I guess, yes.

THE COURT: Well, I can't have you guess either.

JUROR: Okay. Yes.

THE COURT: So do you feel that you really don't have

certainty about this?

JUROR: Yeah, it's true.

THE COURT: Okay. All righty. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: He waffled. He was 1?

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THE LAW CLERK: 197.

MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, he waffled, but I think he

said yes each time.

THE COURT: The problem is——

MR. FINKEL: You can stop laughing, Ms. Shroff. Thank

you.

THE COURT: His body language, the shrugging of the

shoulders, his kind of a little bit of a back-and-forth of the

head, the tone of his voice, I could tell that he was not

speaking with certainty, and I felt that it was appropriate to

go further.

Go ahead.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: All right. What is your number?

JUROR: 202.

THE COURT: And your name?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: And what would you like to say?

JUROR: I was just being transparent because I don't

know if you guys do, like, research on the jurors or anything,

but like social media, I have never had anything good to say

about Steve Bannon or Peter Navarro, but——and I, you know, most

definitely will try to be objective and, you know, listen to

the facts and stuff, but I just didn't want it to cause a

problem later.

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THE COURT: All right. So you're saying that you have

heard negative things about those two people.

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: And so you have a negative impression; am

I correct?

JUROR: Correct.

THE COURT: All right. So in this case the

prosecution alleges that Mr. Bannon and Mr. Guo conspired

together to commit crimes, and my question for you——and this is

a yes or no question——can you come into the courtroom with an

open mind, listen to the witness testimony——Mr. Bannon will not

be a witness——listen to the witness testimony, read the

documentary evidence, following my instructions on the law, and

be a fair and impartial juror for Mr. Guo?

JUROR: Yes. I thought he was a witness. That's why

I was like, ah. That's what I thought the issue was. But yes,

I can definitely——

THE COURT: Well, it may be that statements of

Mr. Bannon may come into evidence.

JUROR: Oh, okay.

THE COURT: Not necessarily that he will be physically

in the courtroom, but things that he may have said may come up.

And so if you hear a quote of something that he said, my

question is, can you put aside any negative impressions and be

a fair and impartial juror?

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JUROR: I believe I can.

THE COURT: What do you mean by "I believe"? This is

a yes or no question.

JUROR: Then yes.

THE COURT: And you feel certain about that.

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Okay. Step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

MS. SHROFF: Could we just ask him if he heard

testimony from Bannon through a recording or a video——

THE COURT: No.

MS. SHROFF: That's the evidence.

THE COURT: I don't see any need for that. I think

I've gone far enough.

Let's go. Come.

(Next juror present)

THE COURT: Hi there. Your number?

JUROR: 204.

THE COURT: 204. Okay. Go ahead.

JUROR: In regards to?

THE COURT: I had asked a question concerning——

JUROR: Right. Those gentlemen, I don't agree with

any of their policies or their politics, so I would certainly

have a very visceral opinion in regards to their involvement in

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this case.

THE COURT: Okay. So you have a negative opinion

about those people, right?

JUROR: Correct.

THE COURT: All right. So in this case, the

prosecution alleges that Mr. Bannon and Mr. Guo conspired

together to commit crimes. So my question for you is, can you

put aside your already-formed negative opinion about Mr. Bannon

and come into the court with an open mind, listen to the

witness testimony, read the documentary evidence, follow my

instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial juror for

Mr. Guo?

JUROR: I don't think I can. If he's involved with

either one of those individuals, no.

THE COURT: Okay. Thank you. You may step back.

JUROR: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: I will excuse her for cause.

That's it. Okay.

(In open court)

THE COURT: Do any of you have any strong views about

cryptocurrency that would prevent you from being a fair and

impartial juror?

All righty. Go ahead. If you'll state your number,

please.

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JUROR: 121.

THE COURT: Are you saying that you have strong views

for or against cryptocurrency?

JUROR: Oh, I didn't hear the for or against. I'm in

between.

THE COURT: In between? And do you think that those

feelings would affect your ability to be a fair and impartial

juror?

JUROR: Possibly, yeah.

THE COURT: Okay. And again, your number is?

JUROR: 121.

THE COURT: Okay. Thank you.

Anybody else?

Is it your opinion that the actions charged in the

indictment as I have described them to you should not be crimes

or should not be prosecuted federally?

Have you been involved as a defendant, victim,

witness, or in any other way in any prosecution for fraud or

money laundering?

JUROR: 169. Just to clarify, the question was if I

was a witness in a prosecution?

THE COURT: That's one of the categories, whether you

were a defendant, victim, witness, or in any other way involved

in a prosecution for fraud or money laundering.

JUROR: Yes. I testified in a grand jury proceeding

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regarding——

THE COURT: Okay. So that's enough. Thank you.

The defendant is charged with acting with others in

committing the alleged crimes. Some of those other individuals

are not on trial in this case. You may not draw any inference,

favorable or unfavorable, towards the government or the

defendant from that fact. You also may not speculate as to why

other persons are not on trial in this courtroom. Would any of

you have any difficulty following that instruction?

Have you, a family member or close friend ever been

involved or appeared as a witness in any investigation by a

federal or state grand jury or by a congressional or state

legislative committee, licensing authority, or governmental

agency?

And this is posed to the people who have not answered

the question.

Have you, a family member, or close friend ever been

questioned in any matter by a federal, state, or local law

enforcement agency, including the FBI? Again, for those who

have not already answered the question.

JUROR: Juror 121.

THE COURT: You were questioned by law enforcement?

JUROR: A close friend was.

THE COURT: Okay. All right. Thank you.

JUROR: Juror 158. I was interviewed by the SEC as

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part of a regular audit of the company that I worked at.

THE COURT: All righty.

JUROR: I was——oh, 134. I was in federal court

proving that my son is my son.

THE COURT: Okay. Thank you.

JUROR: Juror 117. And I was present——I don't know if

I was a minor at the time——but my parents were questioned by

the FBI regarding my brother's application for Peace Corps.

THE COURT: Thank you.

JUROR: 123. I had answered questions of the FBI

about a security clearance.

THE COURT: Thank you.

Have you, a family member or close friend ever been a

witness or a complainant in a hearing or trial, whether state,

local, or federal? If you already have not answered the

question.

JUROR: 187. I was a witness in a murder trial.

THE COURT: So would that——

JUROR: It was in Pennsylvania.

THE COURT: Was that state or federal court?

JUROR: It was state.

THE COURT: And how long ago was that?

JUROR: About four years ago.

THE COURT: Did you say 40?

JUROR: Four.

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THE COURT: Four. So is there anything about that

experience, having served as a witness in a Pennsylvania court,

that would prevent you from being a fair and impartial juror in

this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Okay. Anyone else?

JUROR: Juror No. 178. I was a witness in a——I don't

even know what to call it. It was for a friend of mine whose

father molested her, in court.

THE COURT: Oh, okay. Thank you.

Anybody else?

Are you, a member of your family, or a close friend

now under subpoena or, to your knowledge, about to be

subpoenaed in a criminal case?

Have you, a family member or close friend ever been

charged with a crime? And this is for people who have not

answered the question.

Have you, a family member, or close friend ever been

the subject of any investigation or accusation by a grand jury,

federal or state?

Have you, a family member, or close friend ever been

the victim of a crime?

JUROR: Hi again. 119.

THE COURT: Go ahead.

JUROR: Yeah. I was the victim of an assault.

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THE COURT: You were the victim of an assault.

Go ahead, the next person.

JUROR: 179. My father attempted infanticide when I

was a child.

THE COURT: Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that.

Go ahead.

JUROR: 168. Car theft.

THE COURT: You said a car theft, is that it?

JUROR: Car theft.

THE COURT: 168, yes?

JUROR: Yes, 168.

JUROR: 169. My wife was the victim of an identity

theft that was used to conduct unauthorized financial

transactions.

THE COURT: Thank you.

JUROR: 123. I had a bike stolen, and I also had

grand larceny at my work where I had a laptop and some desk

supplies stolen off of it.

THE COURT: Okay.

JUROR: 122. My home was robbed.

THE COURT: Thank you.

JUROR: 153. My sister was murdered.

THE COURT: Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that.

Anyone else?

JUROR: 138. I was a victim of a hate crime.

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THE COURT: I'm sorry. Did you say that was 138?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: What happened, sir? Did you want to talk

to us privately?

JUROR: No. It's fine. I'm gay, and I was assaulted.

THE COURT: I'm sorry. Did you say the date?

JUROR: No. I said I'm gay.

THE COURT: Yes.

JUROR: I was assaulted. I fought back. The

perpetrator was caught, but I didn't press charges because he

was a veteran, was suffering from PTSD.

THE COURT: So he was never held accountable for that.

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: And so the fact that you were an innocent

victim and the perpetrator of the crime was never held

accountable, would that make you want to hold Mr. Guo

accountable?

JUROR: Yes, if that is——if he is guilty of the

offense.

THE COURT: Well, I'm saying, would your experience

make you biased against Mr. Guo?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Okay. So can you set aside that terrible

experience of the past and come into the courtroom with an open

mind and listen to the witness testimony and read the

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documentary evidence and follow my instructions on the law, and

be a fair and impartial juror?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: You can be fair to Mr. Guo; is that

correct?

JUROR: That's correct.

THE COURT: And you can be fair to the government,

yes?

JUROR: Yes, that's correct.

THE COURT: Okay. Go ahead.

JUROR: 151. My brother-in-law was murdered.

THE COURT: Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.

JUROR: 150. I have a couple of——

THE COURT: One second. One second, please.

Go ahead.

JUROR: I have a couple of friends that was victim of

internet——it was through the internet and the people was not

legit.

THE COURT: Okay. Thank you for telling me.

JUROR: 149. Car theft and residential burglary.

THE COURT: Go ahead.

JUROR: 187. I've been robbed at gunpoint on the

street, and I've had my apartment broken into while I was in

it.

THE COURT: And you're 187?

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JUROR: 187, yes.

THE COURT: Okay. So the robbery at gunpoint on the

street, did you report that?

JUROR: Yes, I did.

THE COURT: And how long ago was that?

JUROR: That was in the '70s.

THE COURT: And were the police able to find the

perpetrator?

JUROR: They never really tried.

THE COURT: So you were disappointed with the way that

the police behaved back then?

JUROR: Yes, I was.

THE COURT: So would that tend to make you have a bias

against the police?

JUROR: To some extent, yes. I think I would listen

to what the evidence is in this case, but——

THE COURT: So you had a negative experience with the

police, and my question is, considering that there will be law

enforcement witnesses, can you put aside that negative

experience of so many years ago and come into the court with an

open mind, listen to the witness testimony——

JUROR: Unfortunately I've had other——I was also a

juror on a trial of a corrupt policeman, so I have had several

negative experiences with the police.

THE COURT: So are you saying that those negative

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experiences would cause you to have a bias against a law

enforcement official?

JUROR: Again, I would certainly try to listen fairly,

but is there some inherent bias? Probably, yes.

THE COURT: So we all come into this courtroom with

biases. I have biases. But the task is, can you set those

biases aside, first be aware of them and then to set them

aside, so that you can be objective about the evidence in this

particular case? Would you agree with me that there are good

police officers?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: And do you rely on the police or would you

rely on the police if you felt that you needed them?

JUROR: I have not been able to in the past.

THE COURT: Would you call the police if you felt that

you needed to call the police?

JUROR: I would.

THE COURT: Yes, you would. Okay. So you would agree

that there are some good police and some police that are not

good?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: So can you set aside your negative

attitude and——you're saying that your feelings are founded upon

your personal experiences. And can you set aside those

personal experiences and listen objectively to the evidence in

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this case and be fair to both sides?

JUROR: I believe I can.

THE COURT: It's a yes or no question.

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: And your number again?

JUROR: 187.

THE COURT: Do you feel that you would have any bias

against the government in this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Bias in favor of the government?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Bias against the defendant?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Bias for the defendant.

JUROR: I don't know the defendant.

THE COURT: Okay. So you're saying no, you would not

have a bias in favor of——

JUROR: Correct.

THE COURT: ——the defendant.

JUROR: Right.

THE COURT: Okay. Go ahead.

JUROR: 129. My home was burglarized.

THE COURT: All right. Thank you for telling me.

JUROR: 201. 201, my number. In 2019, in October, I

got a sucker punch in my face in 10:30 p.m. in Manhattan, and

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it was a gang, four people——three guys and one young woman, 18

years old. And the police found the woman, and they called me.

I went to police. I was in the hospital, and then I went to

police, and many people asked me different questions. And they

found this girl, and they saw it, everything what happened,

because it was a camera on the street, and they showed me,

because I didn't see. She hit me from the back. So I didn't

see actually. I saw the movie. And she didn't get any

justice, nothing. They said because she was 18 years old,

she's young, this is the first time. And that's the story.

That's it.

THE COURT: Then you were disappointed.

JUROR: Yes, very disappointed.

THE COURT: Okay. Anybody else?

JUROR: 113. I was mauled by a group of teenagers.

The outcome, similar situation. They were given probation

because of their age.

THE COURT: So you were also disappointed.

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: All righty.

JUROR: Juror 117. My car was broken into, my mother

was mugged, and my father and brother have been held up many

times with a gun and a knife.

THE COURT: Thank you.

That's it?

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Okay. Has anyone served on a jury or grand jury, in

federal or state court?

JUROR: Juror 101. It was probably about five or six

years ago. It was a attempted murder and weapons charge, and I

was on the jury.

THE COURT: All right. If you've served in a criminal

case, do not tell me the verdict.

Okay. Thank you.

JUROR: I've served.

THE COURT: What's your number?

JUROR: 105.

THE COURT: Go ahead.

JUROR: In criminal case, state case.

THE COURT: And what county was that?

JUROR: Westchester, White Plains.

THE COURT: What?

JUROR: White Plains, Westchester.

THE COURT: And without telling me the verdict, did

the jury reach a verdict?

JUROR: We sure did.

THE COURT: And how long did you say that was ago?

JUROR: Last year.

THE COURT: Last year?

JUROR: Last year.

THE COURT: Was that state court?

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JUROR: State court.

THE COURT: Okay. Who else?

JUROR: 109. I was on a jury about seven years ago.

THE COURT: All righty. Who else?

JUROR: 111. I served on a state case about 15 to 20

years ago.

THE COURT: Okay. Who else?

JUROR: 119. State civil case, about three years ago.

THE COURT: All righty. Who else?

JUROR: 133. I served here in Manhattan. It was a

grand jury, but it was multiple cases a day for a month.

THE COURT: All righty.

JUROR: 137. I served here about ten years ago.

THE COURT: In this courthouse?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: And was it a civil or criminal case?

JUROR: Criminal.

THE COURT: And without telling me the verdict, did

the jury reach a verdict?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: You're saying that there was——

JUROR: They reached a resolution. They pleaded it

out.

THE COURT: Oh, you're saying that you never actually

deliberated?

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JUROR: No.

THE COURT: So there was a guilty plea before you had

the opportunity to deliberate; is that it?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: And you said that was ten years ago?

JUROR: Probably about ten years ago. It might have

been longer than that.

THE COURT: Okay.

JUROR: 142.

THE COURT: Yes.

JUROR: I served in a criminal case in the Bronx like

15 years ago.

THE COURT: Okay.

JUROR: Juror 144. Served around 2009 or 2010, state.

THE COURT: Okay.

JUROR: 152. I served the state, Rockland County, in

a criminal case, seven years ago.

THE COURT: All righty. Who else?

JUROR: 169. I served on a jury on a criminal case,

state, around 2008. We did reach a verdict.

THE COURT: Okay. Who else?

JUROR: 138. Civil case. We did reach a verdict.

THE COURT: And so was that here in federal court or

state court?

JUROR: State court.

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THE COURT: In Manhattan?

JUROR: Manhattan, yes.

THE COURT: And how many years did you say?

JUROR: Probably eight, nine years ago.

THE COURT: Civil matter, and you reached a verdict.

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Okay. Who else?

JUROR: 182. State court, criminal, 15 years ago. In

Manhattan state court.

THE COURT: 182?

All righty. Who else?

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THE COURT: All righty. Who else?

JUROR: 162. Over ten years ago, Southern District,

civil case, we reached a verdict.

THE COURT: Who else?

JUROR: 175. I served on the grand jury for a month.

THE COURT: Who else?

JUROR: 187. I served on all state grand jury twice.

THE COURT: Where?

JUROR: Criminal, reached a verdict. Civil, that did

not reach a verdict, but settled after a week's deliberation.

And another criminal, I was alternate and deliberated the first

day and then they sent me home.

THE COURT: I just want to take these one at a time.

What county?

JUROR: All in Manhattan.

THE COURT: All in Manhattan.

And the most recent case happened when?

JUROR: More than ten years ago.

THE COURT: And that was a civil or criminal case?

JUROR: That was criminal.

THE COURT: And you reached a verdict?

JUROR: Yes, we did.

THE COURT: And then the next most recent case?

JUROR: That was the civil case where it went on for a

couple of weeks and we deliberated for close to a week and then

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they settled.

THE COURT: Okay. And anything else?

JUROR: I was an alternate on another criminal case.

THE COURT: Any other case where you served as a

juror?

JUROR: No. Well, not that I recall at this point.

Nothing -- I think it was settled along the way, but I don't

recall deliberating.

THE COURT: Anyone else?

JUROR: 193. A state court, Manhattan. It was a

civil case.

THE COURT: And how long ago was that?

JUROR: It was six or seven years ago.

THE COURT: Go ahead. Who's next?

JUROR: 192. I served as a jury about eleven years

ago here in this building. It was a criminal trial. We did

reach a verdict.

THE COURT: All righty. Who else?

JUROR: 197. Criminal in the Bronx in 2018. But

after it was finished, the lawyers approached us and revealed

that there was information that wasn't revealed to us that

would have changed our mind about the entire process.

THE COURT: And you're 197, did you say?

JUROR: 197.

THE COURT: Okay. Who else?

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JUROR: 202.

THE COURT: Yes.

JUROR: I had a civil, state, and I was a juror up in

Putnam County.

THE COURT: And how long ago was that?

JUROR: 2019.

THE COURT: Who else?

That was a state matter?

JUROR: Yes. State. Sorry.

THE COURT: Go ahead.

JUROR: 199.

THE COURT: Yes.

JUROR: Over ten years ago I was on a jury. State,

criminal.

THE COURT: What county was that?

JUROR: Manhattan.

THE COURT: And did you reach a verdict?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Anyone else?

JUROR: Juror No. 200.

THE COURT: Yes.

JUROR: A criminal case in Brooklyn about nine years

ago.

THE COURT: Anyone else?

JUROR: 204. I was a grand jury juror in 2001. White

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Plains, New York, 2007. And again in 2009 in White Plains, New

York.

THE COURT: Thank you. Anyone else?

The government witnesses in this case will include

agents and analysts from the FBI. This question is addressed

to those of you who have not already answered the question.

Would any of you be more or less likely to believe a

witness merely because he is a law -- he or she is a law

enforcement officer?

Some of the evidence admitted at trial may come from

searches performed by law enforcement officers. I instruct you

that those searches were legal and that the evidence obtained

from those searches is admissible in this case.

Do any of you have strong feelings about searches

conducted by law enforcement officers or the use of evidence

obtained from searches that would interfere with your ability

to be fair and impartial as a juror in this case?

Does anyone have any expectations about the types of

evidence that the government or the defendant should or will

present in this criminal trial or in a criminal trial more

generally?

Would any of you be unable to follow the Court's

instructions that the government is not required to use any

particular technique in order to investigate evidence of a

crime?

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Under our system of law, the jury determines the facts

and the Court determines the law. These two areas are separate

and distinct. At the end of the case, I will instruct you on

the law. You are required to accept the law as I explain it to

you. It will be your job to determine the facts subject to my

explanation of the law. You may not substitute your notions of

what the law is or what you think it should be.

Is there anyone who feels that he or she is either

unwilling or unable to apply the law as I explain it to you?

Under our system of law, every defendant is presumed

innocent and cannot be found guilty unless a jury, having heard

all the evidence in the case, unanimously decides that the

evidence proves his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Is there anyone who has difficulty accepting the law

or the presumption of innocence as to the defendant?

Under our system of law the burden of proof is on the

government. The burden never shifts. The defendant does not

have to prove his innocence, present any evidence, testify, or

cross-examine any of the government's witnesses. If the

defendant chooses not to testify, you cannot hold that against

him. Is there any juror who cannot follow that instruction?

Conversely, if defense counsel decides to put on a

case on defendant's behalf, that fact does not shift the burden

of proof to the defendant, nor does it diminish the obligation

of the government to prove the defendant's guilt beyond a

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reasonable doubt. Would anyone have any difficulty following

this principle?

The law provides that only the evidence produced here

in court may be used by you to determine whether the government

has met its burden of proving the defendant's guilt beyond a

reasonable doubt. You may not consider any outside facts

beyond the trial evidence. Is there anyone who has difficulty

accepting that law?

The law provides that the question of punishment is

for the judge alone. The question of the possible sentence

that the defendant may face cannot enter into your

deliberations as to the guilt or innocence of the defendant.

Is there any juror who cannot follow that instruction?

If the evidence establishes the defendant's guilt

beyond a reasonable doubt, is there anyone who feels that they

could not render a verdict of guilty?

If the evidence does not establish the defendant's

guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, is there anyone who feels that

they could not render a verdict of not guilty?

Aside from the attorneys who have already identified

themselves, do any of you have any legal training, is there any

reason that this would prevent you from applying the law as I

instruct you, without regard for what you may think the law is

from outside training or experience?

Does anyone have any religious, philosophical, or

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other beliefs that would make him or her unable to render a

verdict?

Now I'm going to be questioning the jurors

individually.

We are to start with Juror No. 104. Please state your

number, your county of residence, and your neighborhood during

the last five years.

JUROR: 104, Manhattan, Harlem.

THE COURT: And how far did you go in school?

JUROR: Bachelor's degree.

THE COURT: In what subject?

JUROR: Communications.

THE COURT: And what is your job of the last five

years?

JUROR: ABA instructor, applied behavioral analysis.

THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant

relationship?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Are there any other adults in your

household who work?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Do you like to read any types of books?

JUROR: Yeah, fiction books and nonfiction.

THE COURT: Any particular websites you like?

JUROR: No.

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THE COURT: How about any clubs or organizations?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?

JUROR: I like seeing my friends.

THE COURT: And is there anything that would prevent

you from being a fair and impartial juror?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: All right. We're going now to No. 105.

If you would state your number, your county of residence, and

your neighborhood in the last five years.

(Pause)

THE COURT: All right. Now I have forgotten where I

was.

105. Okay. Sir, would you state your number and your

county of residence and neighborhood in the last five years.

JUROR: 105, live in Westchester, Mt. Vernon, over the

last five, six years.

THE COURT: Okay. How far did you go in school?

JUROR: College.

THE COURT: And did you get a bachelor's degree?

JUROR: Yes, B.S.

THE COURT: In what subject?

JUROR: Mechanical engineering.

THE COURT: What is your job?

JUROR: I'm a retired engineer.

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THE COURT: And how long have you been retired?

JUROR: Six years ago.

THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant

relationship?

JUROR: Single. Divorce.

THE COURT: You're divorced.

And do you have any people in your household, adults

who work other than yourself?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading, books,

magazines, websites?

JUROR: Technical books and computer. Right now

computer.

THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?

JUROR: I play golf with my friends.

THE COURT: And is there anything else that you do in

your spare time?

JUROR: I do sing. I do classical. I'm a classical

singer.

THE COURT: How wonderful.

Is there anything that would prevent you from being a

fair and impartial juror?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: What voice do you sing?

JUROR: I'm bass. Can you hear that?

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THE COURT: All righty. If you'd pass the mic to 106.

If you would state your number, the county of

residence, and the neighborhood that you've been in in the last

five years.

JUROR: Sure. Juror 106, Croton-on-Hudson,

Westchester, New York.

THE COURT: And how far did you go in school?

JUROR: Bachelor's.

THE COURT: In what subject?

JUROR: Biology.

THE COURT: And your job?

JUROR: I'm a technical account manager.

THE COURT: And how long have you been doing that?

JUROR: Four years in that position.

THE COURT: And before that?

JUROR: I was technical support, head of technical

support.

THE COURT: And technical support, what is the nature

of --

JUROR: Software.

THE COURT: Software? Okay.

Are you married or in a significant relationship?

JUROR: Yes, married.

THE COURT: And your spouse, what does that person do

for a living?

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JUROR: She's a pediatric nurse practitioner.

THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading, books,

magazines, websites?

JUROR: Yes. Fiction, nonfiction books. Websites,

nothing in particular, just lots of things.

THE COURT: Any groups, any clubs, organizations?

JUROR: No groups or clubs.

THE COURT: What do you do in your spare time?

JUROR: Most of that time is spent with my kids;

otherwise, long distance running, mountain biking.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: All righty. If you would pass the mic to

No. 107.

And 107, would you please state your name, county of

residence, and neighborhood the last five years?

JUROR: XXXXXXXXXXXXX.

THE COURT: Don't say your name.

I'm going to strike that from the record.

Your number?

JUROR: 107.

THE COURT: Okay.

JUROR: Manhattan, Harlem.

THE COURT: And you've been there for at least five

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years?

JUROR: I'm sorry?

THE COURT: You've been in Harlem for at least five

years?

JUROR: Oh, yes, yes.

THE COURT: And how far did you go in school?

JUROR: Bachelor's in psychology.

THE COURT: And what is your job?

JUROR: Credentialing and privileging specialist.

MS. SHROFF: I'm sorry, your Honor, we couldn't hear.

THE COURT: If you could just repeat that, please.

JUROR: Credentialing and privileging specialist.

THE COURT: What do you do in that position?

JUROR: Credential doctors, incoming doctors.

THE COURT: Do you work for the government?

JUROR: The Veterans Health Administration.

THE COURT: Okay. You're married or in a significant

relationship?

JUROR: Married.

THE COURT: And your spouse, what does that person do

for a living?

JUROR: He's unemployed; currently unemployed.

THE COURT: What did he used to do?

JUROR: Drive. He was a driver, taxi.

THE COURT: Do you have any other members of the

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household who are adults that work?

JUROR: My daughter.

THE COURT: What does she do?

JUROR: She works at a department store, retail.

THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading, books,

magazines, websites?

JUROR: I like websites.

THE COURT: What type?

JUROR: TikTok.

THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?

JUROR: With my family or running in the park.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: All right. Please pass the mic to Juror

110. Oh, I'm sorry, Juror 110 is absent.

No. 115. If you would state your number and your

county of residence and neighborhood of the last five years?

JUROR: Juror No. 115.

THE COURT: Yes.

JUROR: Bronx County, Wakefield section.

THE COURT: How far did you go in school?

JUROR: High school graduate, some college.

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THE COURT: And what were you studying in college?

JUROR: Computer science.

THE COURT: What is your job?

JUROR: Inventory specialist.

THE COURT: You've been doing that for the last five

years?

JUROR: Last one year. Prior four years I was doing

IT.

THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant

relationship?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?

JUROR: I like fantasy books.

THE COURT: Websites?

JUROR: Nothing in particular.

THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: What do you do in your spare time?

JUROR: Go hiking with friends or play video games.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: We're now going to No. 126. I'm sorry,

120 is the next person. Thank you.

If you would state your number, your county of

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residence.

JUROR: 120, Manhattan, Upper East Side.

THE COURT: How far did you go in school?

JUROR: College.

THE COURT: And what did you study?

JUROR: Nursing.

THE COURT: And so you are an RN?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: And your current job?

JUROR: Registered nurse.

THE COURT: And are you married or in a significant

relationship?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Are there other adults in the household

who work?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading, books,

magazines, websites?

JUROR: Yes, true crimes.

THE COURT: True crime.

Are you involved in any clubs or organizations?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: What do you do in your spare time?

JUROR: Hike and travel.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

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from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: All right. Now 126. If you would state

your number and your county of residence and neighborhood over

the last five years?

JUROR: 126, Rockland County, north Rockland.

THE COURT: Where in Rockland?

JUROR: North Rockland.

THE COURT: North Rockland?

How far did you go in school?

JUROR: Bachelor's degree.

THE COURT: In what?

JUROR: Accounting.

THE COURT: Your current job?

JUROR: Property accountant.

THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant

relationship?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Are there other adults in your home who

work?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: And what do they do?

JUROR: My mother works at a fast-food restaurant.

My -- one of my brother is a truck driver; another one is a --

he delivers newspaper. And my mom's husband works at a nursing

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home.

THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading, books,

magazines, websites?

JUROR: Yes. Nonfiction.

THE COURT: Nonfiction.

Are you belonging to any clubs or organizations?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?

JUROR: Hiking, kayak.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: All right. Going to No. 128. 128. One

two eight.

JUROR: 128, New York County, East Harlem.

THE COURT: And you've been there for the last five

years?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: And how far did you go in school?

JUROR: High school graduate.

THE COURT: What is your job?

JUROR: Retired from the Department of Veteran Affairs

in 1971.

THE COURT: You retired in 1971?

JUROR: Yes, I did.

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THE COURT: Oh, wow.

And how long did you work at the veterans affairs

department?

JUROR: Thirty years.

THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant

relationship?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Are there any other adults in your home

who work?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Do you like any types of books, magazines,

websites?

JUROR: Sports magazines.

THE COURT: What type of sports?

JUROR: Sports magazines.

THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?

JUROR: None.

THE COURT: How do you spend your days?

JUROR: Listening to music.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No. None.

THE COURT: All right, then. No. 137.

JUROR: 137.

THE COURT: I'm sorry. One moment. I think I've

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skipped someone here. Yes, 135 it is.

If you would say your number, your county of

residence.

JUROR: 135, Bronx County, Baychester.

THE COURT: And you've been there for the last five

years?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: And how far did you go in school?

JUROR: Bachelor's.

THE COURT: In what subject?

JUROR: Nursing.

THE COURT: So you're an RN?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: And what do you do for a living?

JUROR: RN, nursing.

THE COURT: And you've been doing that for the last

five years?

JUROR: Before I was a pharmacy tech.

THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant

relationship?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Are there other adults in your home who

work?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Like any type of reading?

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JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: What is that?

JUROR: Everything, kind of fiction, nonfiction.

THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations -- excuse me?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?

JUROR: With friends, family.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: No. 137. If you would say your number,

your county of residence, and your neighborhood.

JUROR: 137, Bronx County.

THE COURT: And you've been there for the last five

years?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: What area of the Bronx?

JUROR: Concourse Village.

THE COURT: How far did you go in school?

JUROR: Master's in social work.

THE COURT: And your job?

JUROR: Administration for Children's Services,

Division of Finance.

THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant

relationship?

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JUROR: Single, divorced.

THE COURT: Any other people in your home who work?

JUROR: None.

THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?

JUROR: Yes. Fictional, nonfictional,

autobiographies.

THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?

JUROR: Family, friends, reading, watching TV.

THE COURT: So you're the first person in this room

who watches TV.

JUROR: I watch a lot of TV.

THE COURT: Okay. Is there anything that would

prevent you from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: No. 138. Your county of residence and

neighborhood for the last five years and your number?

JUROR: 138, live in Manhattan, East Harlem.

THE COURT: And you've been there for five years?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Married or in a significant relationship?

JUROR: Single.

THE COURT: Are there any other adults in the

household who work?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Do you like any type of books, magazines,

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or websites?

JUROR: Spend a lot of time on YouTube, variety of

stuff to watch.

THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: What is your job?

JUROR: I'm the executive director of a nonprofit in

New York City.

THE COURT: And your educational background?

JUROR: I have a master's degree in social policy.

THE COURT: Clubs or organizations?

JUROR: None.

THE COURT: Your spare time?

JUROR: Gardening, cooking, going for walks.

THE COURT: Anything that would prevent you from being

a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: No. 145.

No. 142. Not 142? Okay. I made a mistake. I meant

142.

JUROR: 142, Manhattan, Inwood.

THE COURT: And you've been there for the last five

years?

JUROR: That's correct.

THE COURT: And how far did you go in school?

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JUROR: Bachelor's, criminal justice.

THE COURT: So you have learned about the law;

correct?

JUROR: Yes, but I'm no longer interested in that

anymore.

THE COURT: So would you be able to put aside whatever

you know about the law and follow my instructions on the law

exclusively?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Your job?

JUROR: I have two. I'm a retail manager and I also

have a videography business as well.

THE COURT: And you're married or in a significant

relationship?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Are there any other adults in the home who

work?

JUROR: Yes, a cousin. He runs an auto body shop.

THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?

JUROR: No. YouTube, documentaries, it's kind of my

thing.

THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Spare time?

JUROR: Working out with friends and editing.

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THE COURT: Do you mean video editing?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: All righty. No. 145.

JUROR: 145. Bronx.

THE COURT: What neighborhood is that?

JUROR: Norwood.

THE COURT: And you've been there for the last five

years?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: How far did you go in school?

JUROR: I got my bachelor's in computer science.

THE COURT: And what is your job?

JUROR: Right now I'm unemployed.

THE COURT: And what did you used to do?

JUROR: I used to work in a warehouse.

THE COURT: And how long ago was that?

JUROR: That was last year.

THE COURT: And so you have been unemployed for how

long?

JUROR: Ten months.

THE COURT: And how long did you work at the

warehouse?

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JUROR: I worked there about seven years.

THE COURT: Seven years. Okay.

Are you married or in a significant relationship?

JUROR: Single.

THE COURT: Are there any adults in your home who

work?

JUROR: Yes. My sister, she's a pharmacy technician;

and my dad, he's a construction worker.

THE COURT: Do you like to do any reading, books,

magazines, websites?

JUROR: Yeah, I like to read.

THE COURT: What type of reading?

JUROR: Usually fantasy and nonfiction.

THE COURT: Clubs or organizations?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?

JUROR: Usually I watch movies or read and basically

spend time with my family, too.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: No. 146.

JUROR: Juror 146, Putnam County, in Cold Spring, New

York.

THE COURT: Which county did you say?

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JUROR: Putnam County.

THE COURT: Putnam County, Cold Spring.

And you've been there for the last five years?

JUROR: Yup.

THE COURT: And how far did you go in school?

JUROR: B.A.

THE COURT: In what subject?

JUROR: English and history.

THE COURT: Your current job?

JUROR: Executive assistant to a CEO for a public

company.

THE COURT: You've been there for five years?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant

relationship?

JUROR: Married.

THE COURT: And your spouse, what does that person do

for a living?

JUROR: He's a contractor.

THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading, books,

magazines, websites?

JUROR: Yeah. Nonfiction, fiction, Instagram.

THE COURT: Any other adults in the household who

work?

JUROR: No.

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THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?

JUROR: Running after my kids.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: No. 147. Go ahead.

JUROR: 147, Westchester County, Ossining.

THE COURT: And you've been in Ossining for at least

five years?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: How far did you go in school?

JUROR: Bachelor's.

THE COURT: In what subject?

JUROR: Business management.

THE COURT: And your job?

JUROR: Data entry at an accounting firm.

THE COURT: You've been there for five years?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant

relationship?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Any adults in your home who work?

JUROR: Mom's a public schoolteacher in Yonkers.

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THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?

JUROR: Yes, mostly history.

THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?

JUROR: Either reading or on YouTube.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: No. 161.

JUROR: Juror 161, live in Westchester County,

Eastchester.

THE COURT: For at least five years?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: How far did you go in school?

JUROR: Bachelor's, economics and French.

THE COURT: Your current job?

JUROR: I trade options on foreign currencies for a

bank.

THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant

relationship?

JUROR: Yes, married.

THE COURT: And your spouse, what does that person do?

JUROR: She's a cooking instructor.

THE COURT: Are there other adults in the home who

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work?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?

JUROR: Most of what I read is financial news for

work.

THE COURT: If you would repeat that and speak into

the microphone.

JUROR: Sure. Mostly most of what I read is financial

news.

THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?

JUROR: I play guitar.

THE COURT: Anything that would prevent you from being

a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: No. 163.

JUROR: Juror 163. I'm from Westchester, and I live

in Harrison.

THE COURT: For the last five years?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: And how far did you go in school?

JUROR: So I just graduated. I have a bachelor's in

political science and economics.

THE COURT: And so do you have a job now?

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JUROR: Yes, I'm a business consultant.

THE COURT: Is this your first full-time job?

JUROR: I started a month and a half ago, so yes.

THE COURT: Okay. Did you have any other jobs in the

past?

JUROR: I was an intern at a private equity firm.

THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant

relationship?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?

JUROR: I like reading. Self-improvement books and

finance books as well.

THE COURT: What kind of books?

JUROR: Self-improvement books and finance books.

THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?

JUROR: Either with friends or at sporting events.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Let's go to 173.

JUROR: Hi, I'm 173.

THE COURT: Your county of residence?

JUROR: Oh, sorry. It's Rockland County.

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THE COURT: And what part of Rockland?

JUROR: Nanuet.

THE COURT: And you've been there for the last five

years?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: How far did you go in school?

JUROR: I have a Ph.D. in molecular genetics.

THE COURT: Your current job?

JUROR: I'm a research scientist at a pharmaceutical

company.

THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant

relationship?

JUROR: Yes, I am married. My husband has also a

Ph.D. in computer science.

THE COURT: And what is his job?

JUROR: He is a computer scientist also in accounting,

in an insurance company.

THE COURT: And are there any other adults in your

household who work?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?

JUROR: I like mostly -- generally I'm reading mostly

scientific journals right now because I am in research.

THE COURT: Clubs or organizations?

JUROR: Through my company I'm connected to scientific

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as well as nonscientific and volunteer organizations, yeah.

THE COURT: What type of volunteer organizations?

JUROR: Generally, scientific; but also we do, you

know, charity organizations, yeah.

THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?

JUROR: Spending time with my daughter, running

around, play dates. And also, you know, I have friends, I like

cooking, yeah.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Let's go to 186.

JUROR: 186, New York, New York; Harlem.

THE COURT: And you've been there for the last five

years?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: And how far did you go in school?

JUROR: Finished high school, some college.

THE COURT: And what were you studying in college?

JUROR: Business management.

THE COURT: Your job?

JUROR: I'm a train conductor for a railroad.

THE COURT: Have you done that during the last five

years?

JUROR: Last eight years.

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THE COURT: How many?

JUROR: Last eight years.

THE COURT: Eight years. Okay.

Are you married or in a significant relationship?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: And your significant other, what does that

person do for a living?

JUROR: She's a New York City schoolteacher.

THE COURT: Other adults in your home who work?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Like any type of reading?

JUROR: Yes, I like to read all nonfiction, fiction,

Bible.

THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?

JUROR: No clubs or organizations.

THE COURT: And your spare time, how do you spend

that?

JUROR: I like to bowl and I play spades.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Let's go to No. 187.

JUROR: 187, New York County, Hell's Kitchen.

THE COURT: How far did you go in school?

JUROR: I have a master's and I became a Ph.D.

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dropout.

THE COURT: What is your master's in?

JUROR: I said I was a Ph.D. dropout. I went on, but

didn't complete the degree.

THE COURT: I understand. But you did get the

master's?

JUROR: Yes, I got a master's.

THE COURT: And so what was your --

JUROR: That was romance languages.

THE COURT: Romance languages. Which of the romance

languages?

JUROR: Primarily Spanish, but French and Portuguese.

THE COURT: And what is your job?

JUROR: I'm retired.

THE COURT: And what did you used to do?

JUROR: IT. Nothing to do with languages.

THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant

relationship?

JUROR: Single.

THE COURT: What do the members of your household do

for a living, if you have any other adults in your house?

JUROR: There is no one else.

THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?

JUROR: After

The New York Times

, I read mostly

fiction and some music magazines.

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THE COURT: Clubs or organizations?

JUROR: None.

THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?

JUROR: Go to a lot of theater, concerts, movies, and

eating.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: No. 188.

JUROR: From Manhattan, Hell's Kitchen.

THE COURT: Okay. You've been there for the last five

years?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: How far did you go in school?

JUROR: A bachelor's degree.

THE COURT: In what subject?

JUROR: Psychology.

THE COURT: Your current job?

JUROR: Case manager for housing.

THE COURT: Case manager for housing did you say?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant

relationship?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Are there any other adults in your home

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who work?

JUROR: Yes, my mom.

THE COURT: What does she do?

JUROR: Inspection for a company for jewelry.

THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?

JUROR: No. I like social media.

THE COURT: And any particular type of social media?

JUROR: All of them. Instagram -- Instagram,

Facebook, Snapchat, TikTok.

THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?

JUROR: With my family.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: My sister is part of the NYPD, so a little bit

of bias, but --

THE COURT: So what is it that she does for the NYPD?

JUROR: She's a police officer.

THE COURT: So what do you mean a little bit of bias?

JUROR: I just feel that sometimes they are mistreated

in their job. They work too many hours. They are pushed

beyond their limits a lot. So I just feel that like the

government job itself, they should be like less enforced on

them.

THE COURT: So I agree that government jobs should not

be as trying and that the salary should be higher.

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So your sister has decided to do a very difficult job.

And she puts herself at risk in order to help her community,

and so that is noble. And sometimes people don't appreciate

that. Sometimes people can be rude or even abusive towards

police officers.

But then there are those people who have deep

appreciation for the police and who don't do anything that

would be harmful or offensive towards the police. Would you

agree with me on that?

JUROR: I guess so. But I guess more recently we've

seen cases like when the police officers are abusing, I guess,

civilians. And I guess people take that thinking that the

police officers don't do their job well. And they think that

they're all one person, I'd say.

THE COURT: So you're saying that there are some

incidents that have gotten a lot of media attention where a bad

cop is doing bad things, and then people sometimes will

generalize about all other cops, is that what you're saying?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Okay. Yeah, sometimes that does happen,

that people generalize and stereotype. But there are those who

appreciate that there are police officers who are competent and

do their jobs with integrity; is that right?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Okay. So there will be law enforcement

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witnesses in this case. And my question for you is can you

evaluate their testimony in the same way that you would

evaluate any other person's testimony?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: So what I mean by that is would you have a

bias in favor of a law enforcement witness?

JUROR: I don't think so, no.

THE COURT: So it does call for a yes or no answer.

Do you feel certain that you would not have a bias in

favor of a law enforcement witness?

JUROR: Not 100 percent, I would say.

THE COURT: Okay. All right. Thank you for your

candor.

Counsel, if you'll approach.

(At sidebar)

MR. KAMARAJU: Sorry.

THE COURT: No, no, no. I asked you to tell me. So

why don't we just knock out the remaining five, even if we end

up going past 5.

MR. KAMARAJU: We knock out the five individual

questions.

THE COURT: Yes.

MR. KAMARAJU: And then come back.

THE COURT: Yes.

MR. FINKEL: Do peremptories after --

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MR. KAMARAJU: We need time.

MS. SHROFF: We can't do that.

MR. FINKEL: I'm just saying, the government simply is

able to do peremptories after the jury leaves, if it's

convenient for the Court and its staff.

THE COURT: So my only concern is the marshals.

Because they have a particular routine in getting the

defendants back. And so I have to make an inquiry about that.

But I don't mind remaining in order for us to get this done.

MR. FINKEL: Of course.

THE COURT: Let's see what happens.

MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, it's hard for us to confer

with him and also to get him back and not have Mr. Guo sit in

the holding pens for hours at a time because he misses the bus.

So that's my concern.

THE COURT: Where do you confer with him?

MS. SHROFF: Well, this morning, your Honor, I was

here by quarter to nine, and I conferred with him in the

morning.

THE COURT: In the pen here?

MS. SHROFF: Yes, I did.

THE COURT: Okay.

MS. SHROFF: And I think I was the first one here.

And I spent the time trying to figure out which ones he had

made notations about. And we would ask for that same

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opportunity. That's what happened yesterday.

THE COURT: What I'm saying is it's possible that I

might give you that opportunity after we finish today, but I

have to find out from the marshals whether or not that would

interfere with their schedule.

MS. SHROFF: Okay.

THE COURT: So I will let you know.

MR. FINKEL: Thank you, your Honor.

(In open court)

THE COURT: All right. I'd like to go to 189.

JUROR: 189, Rockland County, Monsey.

THE COURT: And how long have you been in Monsey?

JUROR: My whole life.

THE COURT: And how far did you go in school?

JUROR: Bachelor's.

THE COURT: In what subject?

JUROR: Religious studies.

THE COURT: And what is your current job?

JUROR: I have my own handyman business.

THE COURT: And how long have you been doing that?

JUROR: For myself, about two weeks; working for other

people on and off, four years.

THE COURT: And what were you doing before that

four-year period?

JUROR: Bachelors/in school, religious studies,

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Yeshiva.

THE COURT: Okay. And are you married or in a

significant relationship?

JUROR: Yeah.

THE COURT: And your significant other, what does that

person do for a living?

JUROR: She's in school for dance therapy.

THE COURT: Are there any other adults in your home

who work?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Are you involved in any clubs or

organizations?

JUROR: I go to synagogue.

THE COURT: And do you like any type of reading?

JUROR: I do a lot of religious -- a lot of religious

studies, business, anything technical, like mechanical.

THE COURT: And any clubs or organizations?

JUROR: I go to shul, synagogue.

THE COURT: And how do you spend your spare time?

JUROR: With my wife and, I don't know, chilling

around friends.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: Unless it goes against my religion, then no.

If something could happen, I don't know what the case is fully

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about.

THE COURT: So in this case, the only laws that you

can consider are the laws of the United States government. And

so you could not consider any religious laws. Would you be

able to set aside religious laws and follow my instructions on

the law?

JUROR: I would like to say so, but you are what you

read, so --

THE COURT: So you feel you're not certain?

JUROR: I'm not certain.

THE COURT: Okay. No. 190.

JUROR: Bronx, New York, Bronx County.

THE COURT: And what neighborhood of the Bronx?

JUROR: Grand Concourse by Yankee stadium.

THE COURT: And you've been in the Grand Concourse

area for the last five years?

JUROR: 55 years.

THE COURT: Did you say 55?

JUROR: 55.

THE COURT: Okay. How far did you go in school?

JUROR: I went to the 12th.

THE COURT: And what is your current job?

JUROR: I'm retired, on disability. I used to work in

the hospital for 22 years, and I have a spinal injury.

THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant

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relationship?

JUROR: Married. Separated.

THE COURT: And your spouse, what does that person do

for a living?

JUROR: She used to work for the bank, Manufacturers

Hanover, now it's Chase.

THE COURT: And are there any adults in your home who

work?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Do you like any type of books, magazines,

or websites?

JUROR: No websites. Bible, religious information,

animals. I have a little Chihuahua who I take care of.

THE COURT: Clubs or organizations?

JUROR: Christian, religion.

THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?

JUROR: Trying to heal from the injuries that I got,

work-related injuries.

THE COURT: And the injuries that you have, is that

going to have any impact on your ability to be a fair and

impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No, it's not. As a matter of fact, because of

the injuries, I have just some workers' compensation cases

myself

pro se

, and won some cases, so I respect the law.

THE COURT: I'm just saying, physically, is there

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anything about your physical condition that would interfere

with your ability to be a juror?

JUROR: Nope.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: Nope.

THE COURT: No. 191?

JUROR: Westchester County, Rye.

THE COURT: You've been there for the last five years?

JUROR: Yeah.

THE COURT: And how far did you go in school?

JUROR: Bachelor's degree.

THE COURT: In what?

JUROR: Geology and applied biological sciences.

THE COURT: And what is your job?

JUROR: I'm a geologist.

THE COURT: And what do you do as a geologist?

JUROR: Environmental consulting.

THE COURT: Have you been an environmental consultant

for the last five years?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant

relationship?

JUROR: Married.

THE COURT: And your spouse, what does that person do

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for a living?

JUROR: She does marketing.

THE COURT: Are there any other adults in the home

that work?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Any types of books, magazines, or

websites?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Clubs, organizations?

JUROR: Professional geology organizations.

THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?

JUROR: Hanging out with my kids.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: 192.

JUROR: 192, New York City, Upper East Side.

THE COURT: For the last five years?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: How far did you go in school?

JUROR: Bachelor's degree in performing arts.

THE COURT: Your job?

JUROR: I'm a financial adviser, financial planner.

THE COURT: You have that for the last five years?

JUROR: Yes.

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THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant

relationship?

JUROR: In a relationship.

THE COURT: And does that individual work?

JUROR: As a yoga instructor.

THE COURT: Any other adults in your home who work?

JUROR: I employ a caregiver.

THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?

JUROR: I read all current events, news, internet,

magazines, newspapers.

THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?

JUROR: On my couch.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: 195.

JUROR: Juror 195, Putnam County, Patterson.

THE COURT: Did you say Harrison?

JUROR: No, Patterson.

THE COURT: Patterson.

And you've been there for five years?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: And how far did you go in school?

JUROR: Master's degree in healthcare administration

and geratology.

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THE COURT: Your job?

JUROR: Physical therapist.

THE COURT: And how long have you been doing that?

JUROR: 35 years.

THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant

relationship?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Are there any other adults that work in

your household?

JUROR: Yes, my son. He's an HVAC technician.

THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?

JUROR: TV, reading, sleeping.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: No. 202. Oh, no, No. 199.

JUROR: 199, Manhattan, Murray Hill.

THE COURT: Murray Hill?

JUROR: Correct.

THE COURT: And you've been there for the last five

years?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: How far did you go in school?

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JUROR: Bachelor's, psychology.

THE COURT: Your job?

JUROR: Unemployed.

THE COURT: What did you do before you were

unemployed?

JUROR: Advertising.

THE COURT: How long did you work in advertising?

JUROR: 15 years.

THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant

relationship?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Are there any other adults in the home

that work?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: You like any type of reading?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?

JUROR: Friends, family, TV. I am big into animal

rescue.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Counsel, would you approach.

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(At sidebar)

THE COURT: So there are a couple of people I believe

who need to be stricken for cause: No. 188, do you both agree?

MS. SHROFF: Yes, your Honor.

THE COURT: Okay. So No. 188, dismissed.

Is there anybody else?

MS. MURRAY: 189.

MS. SHROFF: I have 189.

THE COURT: Yes. You both agree that he should be

stricken?

MS. SHROFF: Yes.

MS. MURRAY: Yes, your Honor.

THE COURT: Okay. So he's dismissed.

Is there anyone else?

MS. MURRAY: 202 was not yet stricken, that was the

last juror.

THE LAW CLERK: And 14.

THE COURT: Wait a minute. Remind me why 202 should

be stricken.

MS. MURRAY: We haven't inquired individually.

THE COURT: You're saying I forgot to talk to 202?

MS. MURRAY: Yes.

MS. SHROFF: And 14. 14 is the leftover who came

late.

THE COURT: Where is 14?

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THE LAW CLERK: I believe he's in the back.

MR. FINKEL: Is 14 now 205?

THE LAW CLERK: He's technically No. 14.

THE COURT: He remains 14.

MR. FINKEL: With respect to --

THE COURT: Yes, with respect to his order, when we

are doing the strikes, he is now at the very end.

MR. FINKEL: Oh, he's at the end. Okay. Thank you.

THE COURT: Okay. So let me go back and do --

MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, may we just have one second?

I just want to see if I had --

(Counsel conferred)

MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, may I just double-check a

number with the Court, as 174 being out?

THE COURT: 174 is out.

MS. SHROFF: Thank you.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Okay. Are you No. 163?

JUROR: Yes, I am.

THE COURT: Would you happen to have found out whether

or not you can get more time paid for?

JUROR: I have not found out.

THE COURT: But you can do that overnight and come

back in the morning and tell me?

JUROR: I can send them an email. I can't guarantee

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you if they're going to respond in the morning by the time --

before I get here.

THE COURT: Can you tell them that it's urgent and

that the judge has directed you to do that as a matter of law?

JUROR: I can. I can't predict other humans'

behaviors.

THE COURT: All right. Tell the powers that be that

the judge has ordered them to give you that answer.

JUROR: Okay. I will.

THE COURT: All righty. You may step back.

(Juror not present)

THE COURT: Who else?

THE LAW CLERK: 191 is coming forward.

(Juror present)

THE COURT: Hello. So did you hear anything further

about the amount of time that you would get paid for jury

service?

JUROR: So no. I mean, I have to do it after this.

THE COURT: Okay. All right. So I want you to make

that inquiry.

JUROR: Okay.

THE COURT: I want you to tell whoever it is, whoever

the powers that be are, that the judge has ordered that they

give you that information immediately.

JUROR: Okay.

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THE COURT: Okay? And then tomorrow morning you're

going to come back and let me know.

JUROR: All right. Sounds good.

THE COURT: Thank you.

MS. SHROFF: I'm sorry, what was his number?

THE LAW CLERK: 191.

MS. SHROFF: 191. Okay. Thank you.

THE COURT: Okay. So I'm going to now do 202 and 14.

And the marshals will permit you to stay late with

Mr. Guo?

MS. SHROFF: It's not the marshals. We wanted Mr. Guo

to get back because then he sits in the pen before he goes back

up. So it wasn't whether the marshals would take him back.

But, your Honor, may I just ask a question about the

two jurors that are going to come back with answers tomorrow?

THE COURT: Yeah.

MS. SHROFF: Is that not going to affect how we

choose? If neither of them are going to get paid, were you

planning to excuse them or were they --

THE COURT: We'll discuss it tomorrow.

MS. SHROFF: So --

THE COURT: In other words, if they come back to me

and say we're not going to get paid for the full amount of time

and that would constitute a financial hardship, then I would

excuse them.

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MS. SHROFF: Right. So that's the reason why, so that

we're waiting on the answer for those two. It's logical to

exercise our peremptories after we hear from them.

THE COURT: Oh, definitely. Absolutely. So we'll

hear tomorrow.

MR. KAMARAJU: Oh, okay.

MS. SHROFF: That's fine.

MR. KAMARAJU: Sorry, your Honor. We were consulting

with Mr. Guo and then doing peremptories right now.

THE COURT: No.

MS. SHROFF: Okay, okay. Thank you. That's what I

meant. Great. Thank you very much.

MS. MURRAY: I was also going to note that they are in

neither of the next two sets of 12, in any event. So if we had

gone to peremptories tonight, it wouldn't have affected the

next two sets.

THE COURT: Except we have these folks that come up

with excuses.

MS. MURRAY: No, I understand.

MR. KAMARAJU: That's right, your Honor. We don't

know what the morning will bring.

MS. MURRAY: Just doing the numbers.

MR. KAMARAJU: Thank you, your Honor. We appreciate

it.

THE COURT: Okay. All righty.

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(In open court)

THE COURT: No. 202.

JUROR: Juror 202, from Putnam County, Garrison, New

York.

THE COURT: Did you say Garrison?

JUROR: Garrison, yup, with a G.

THE COURT: And how long have you been there?

JUROR: Most of my life.

THE COURT: Okay. And how far did you go in school?

JUROR: Bachelor's degree in business management.

THE COURT: And what is your job?

JUROR: I do customer service for radiology at a

hospital.

THE COURT: You've been doing that for five years?

JUROR: Yes.

THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant

relationship?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Are there any other adults in your home

who work?

JUROR: My mother is a graphic designer; my father is

a corrections officer; oh, and my brother works for the Knicks.

THE COURT: Okay. The fact that your father is a

corrections officer, would that have any impact on your ability

to be a fair and impartial juror in this case?

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JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Would you tend to have a bias in favor of

the government?

JUROR: No. I don't talk to him about, like, his job.

THE COURT: Okay.

Would you have a bias against the government?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Would you have a bias in favor of Mr. Guo?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Would you have a bias against him?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading?

JUROR: More of a YouTube person.

THE COURT: Any clubs or organizations?

JUROR: I'm part of the New York State Falconry

Association.

THE COURT: How do you spend your spare time?

JUROR: I produce music and I develop video games.

THE COURT: Not with the birds?

JUROR: No. I am on the path to being a falconer, but

I myself just got the permit. But I do go to the birds of prey

events, yes.

THE COURT: Anything that would prevent you from being

a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No.

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THE COURT: No. 14.

JUROR: No. 14.

THE COURT: And what is your county of residence?

JUROR: Bronx.

THE COURT: And what is your neighborhood?

JUROR: Neighborhood, Bronx, New York. That's it.

THE COURT: I'm asking about the section of the Bronx.

JUROR: I don't know. Sections is Bronx -- Bronx.

That's it. All I know is Bronx.

THE COURT: Okay.

JUROR: The street I live in is Bronx Boulevard.

THE COURT: Okay. And how far did you go in school?

JUROR: Finish high school.

THE COURT: Your job?

JUROR: I do -- right now I'm unemployed for three

years now.

THE COURT: And what did you do before you were

unemployed?

JUROR: Warehouse worker.

THE COURT: And how long were you a warehouse worker?

JUROR: Six and a half to seven years.

THE COURT: Are you married or in a significant

relationship?

JUROR: I'm widowed.

THE COURT: I'm sorry to hear that.

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Are there any other adults in your household who work?

JUROR: No, I live alone.

THE COURT: Do you like any type of reading, books,

magazines, websites?

JUROR: Well, only book I really read is Bible, the

Bible. That's it. I do other reading, but not as -- not a

reader except for religious, you know, religious.

THE COURT: Do you belong to any clubs or

organizations?

JUROR: No.

THE COURT: And how do you spend your spare time?

JUROR: I listen to music and YouTube.

THE COURT: Is there anything that would prevent you

from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?

JUROR: No, no.

THE COURT: All righty. Counsel, please step up.

(At sidebar)

THE COURT: I just want to go over those who are being

dismissed: 101, 102, 103, 108, 109, 110 no one showed up, 111,

112, 113, 114, 116, 117, 118, 119, 121, 122, 123, 124, 127,

129, 130 --

MS. MURRAY: 125 as well.

THE COURT: 125 that is, right? 127, 129, 130, 131,

132, 133, 134, 136, 139, 140, 141, 143, 144, 148, 149, 150,

151, 152, 153, 154, 155, 156, 157, 158, 159, 160, 162, 164,

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165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 174, 175, 176, 177,

178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 188, 189, 193, 194,

196, 197, 198, 200, 201, 203, 204.

Okay. So those are the individuals who will be

excused and who will not be coming back tomorrow morning. The

rest will be coming back tomorrow morning, including the four

that have been here all day from yesterday, we hope.

THE LAW CLERK: I think it's eight.

THE COURT: There are eight? Oh. Eight.

MR. KAMARAJU: Two should be seated, right?

MS. SHROFF: Four that are pending.

THE COURT: We have two that are chosen, but I am not

swearing those.

MR. KAMARAJU: Of course.

THE LAW CLERK: Judge, could I read the list of who's

left?

THE COURT: Okay.

THE LAW CLERK: So this is who we have left: 104,

105, 106, 107, 115, 120, 126, 128, 135, 137, 138, 142, 145,

146, 147, 161, 163, 173, 186, 187, 190, 191, 192, 195, 199, 202

and 14.

THE COURT: Okay. So --

MR. KAMARAJU: Did you say 190? I'm sorry.

THE LAW CLERK: Yes.

THE COURT: So we're going to now excuse those

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individuals who are not coming back tomorrow. And when you

come back tomorrow, we will continue with the peremptory

challenges.

Anything further?

MR. FINKEL: They all come back tomorrow.

THE COURT: Oh, yes, indeed. We really do. Maybe I

should even bring in -- after these leave, maybe I should bring

in those eight and remind them of their obligation to return.

THE LAW CLERK: Everyone should stay seated except for

these people.

THE COURT: Well, you can read the list of those who

are excused.

THE LAW CLERK: Okay.

THE COURT: Okay.

(Continued on next page)

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(In open court)

THE COURT: Mr. Steinberg.

THE LAW CLERK: Good afternoon. The following people

are excused. We thank you for being here today and yesterday

and for your service. Everyone else, the names, or the numbers

I do not call, please stay seated.

Juror 101, 102, 103, 108, 109, 111, 112, 113, 114,

116, 117, 118, 119, 121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 127, 129, 130,

131, 132, 133, 134, 136, 139, 140, 141, 143, 144, one 148, 149,

150, 151, 152, 153, 154, 155, 156, 157, 158, 159, 160, 162,

164, 165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 174, 175, 176,

177, 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 188, 189, 193,

194, 196, 197, 198, 200, 201, 203, 204.

If you heard your number, you may leave now. Thank

you again for your service.

If you did not hear your number, please remain seated.

(Jurors listed above dismissed)

THE COURT: I want to first apologize to the jurors

who have been waiting all day long, the eight of you who

faithfully returned. There were circumstances beyond my

control, and beyond the control of the parties, which caused us

to go a little bit longer than we expected. However, the trial

is going to start tomorrow, and I need for you as well as every

other juror in this room to return at 9 a.m. sharp tomorrow.

It is very important that you get here on time. There are so

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many moving pieces in a trial, the lawyers, the defendant, the

witnesses, everyone has got to be on time in order for us to

make this flow properly.

One important rule that you must observe now and

throughout the rest of the trial is that you're not permitted

to discuss the case amongst yourselves or with anybody else.

Don't permit anyone to discuss the case in your presence. And

so I will see everyone tomorrow morning at 9. Have a good

evening.

And everyone is going to 26A. 26A is the room that

you're going to.

(Jurors not present)

(At the sidebar; juror present)

THE COURT: What is your number?

THE LAW CLERK: 163.

THE COURT: Yes.

JUROR: So the first question is, was I selected as a

juror, or was I——can you guys narrow it down, or——

THE COURT: We have narrowed it down, but we haven't

finalized it yet, and so you may be selected as a juror.

JUROR: The follow-up question I had was, so I get 30

days of jury time that's compensated. If this case lasted till

July 12th, which is what I think you said, I have to——I have a

firmwide break the week following July 4th, so I'm not sure if

that influences anything.

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THE COURT: Oh, you mean that this is essentially a

vacation?

JUROR: Everyone at my firm has the week off following

the week of July 4th. So what——the reason I bring this up is

because I don't think it's going to be a conflict anymore,

assuming the case doesn't go beyond July 12th.

THE COURT: Okay. And do you want to confirm that

then?

JUROR: I can confirm it, yeah. I'd have to let you

know in the morning, if I get a response before I leave to come

here in the morning. Because I have a work laptop, so——

THE COURT: All righty. Good luck with that.

JUROR: I just wanted to let you know.

THE COURT: Thank you.

(Juror not present)

MR. FINKEL: That resolves one logistical difficulty,

because the problem week was the week after July 12th, which

he's going to be off anyway, so in other words, the 30 days, as

I understand it, he's covered.

MS. SHROFF: That's a really shitty way to spend your

one week off from work. I think that's what he was trying to

say.

THE COURT: I just want to make sure that we all agree

that that actually covers the whole time?

MR. FINKEL: Yes.

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THE COURT: Okay. All right. Well, he'll come to us

tomorrow morning.

ALL COUNSEL: Thank you, your Honor.

THE COURT: Thank you. We're done.

MR. FINKEL: I'm sorry. One thing.

THE COURT: Go ahead.

MR. FINKEL: So I was thinking through the

peremptories tomorrow. So if let's say in the middle, the

second group of 12 peremptories are exercised such that three

of them become in the actual jury and there's whatever, six or

so that are left that weren't struck, do they automatically

become alternates or do you sort of have a new group of 12 at

which point we exercise our alternate peremptories?

THE COURT: So we first get a jury of 12, and then one

by one we consider the alternates, one by one.

MR. FINKEL: Okay.

THE COURT: They're not a group of four or a group of

six. It's one, and then another, and then another.

MR. FINKEL: Consecutively.

THE COURT: Correct.

MR. FINKEL: Okay. Thank you.

THE COURT: Yes.

MR. SCHIRICK: Thank you.

(Adjourned to May 24, 2024, at 9:00 a.m.)

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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT 
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK 
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,                
 
           v.                           23 Cr. 118 (AT) 
 
MILES GUO, 
 
               Defendant.          Voir Dire     
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                                        New York, N.Y. 
                                        May 23, 2024 
                                        9:00 a.m. 
 
Before: 
 
HON. ANALISA TORRES, 
                                        District Judge 
 
APPEARANCES 
 
DAMIAN WILLIAMS  
     United States Attorney for the 
     Southern District of New York 
BY:  MICAH F. FERGENSON 
     RYAN B. FINKEL 
     JUSTIN HORTON 
     JULIANA N. MURRAY 
     Assistant United States Attorneys 
 
SABRINA P. SHROFF 
     Attorney for Defendant  
 
PRYOR CASHMAN LLP 
     Attorneys for Defendant  
BY:  SIDHARDHA KAMARAJU 
     MATTHEW BARKAN 
 
ALSTON & BIRD LLP 
     Attorneys for Defendant  
BY:  E. SCOTT SCHIRICK

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ALSO PRESENT:   
Isabel Loftus, Paralegal Specialist, USAO 
Michael Gartland, Paralegal Specialist, USAO 
Geoffrey Mearns, Paralegal Specialist, USAO 
Robert Stout, Special Agent, FBI  
Ruben Montilla, Defense Paralegal 
Tuo Huang, Interpreter (Mandarin) 
Shi Feng, Interpreter (Mandarin) 
Victor Chang, Interpreter (Mandarin)

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(Voir dire resumed; May 23, 2024) 
THE COURT:  Good morning.  Would you make your
appearances, please.
MR. FINKEL:  Good morning, your Honor.  Ryan Finkel,
Juliana Murray, Micah Fergenson, and Justin Horton for the
government.  We're joined at counsel table by a paralegal
specialist on staff, Michael Gartland.
MR. KAMARAJU:  Good morning, your Honor.  Sidhardha
Kamaraju, Sabrina Shroff, Scott Schirick, and Adam Barkan on
behalf of Mr. Guo, who is seated at counsel table.
THE COURT:  Please be seated.
Are you ready to begin the peremptories?
MR. SCHIRICK:  Your Honor, we had requested a quick
sidebar just to discuss process before we begin peremptories,
just generally on process questions.
In thinking through this last night and looking at the
numbers, the way that things are shaping up, it seems clear to
us, and I presume to the government, that we're going to have a
jury today——probably no later than tomorrow, but likely today.
But as it stands, we don't have a second 12 subpanel, we only
have the first 12 because we have a total of 21, if our count
is correct.  So our suggestion, if it makes sense to everyone
else and to the Court, would be to go through the qualification
process for the folks who are sitting downstairs so that we can
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current panel of 12, with the idea being that that way we at
least can see who's coming up next.  Of course, based on the
way that yesterday went and the factors that we all know we're
facing in terms of picking a jury, we've got a holiday weekend,
we've got a long trial, the yield that we had yesterday was
pretty low, it was 21 out of a hundred, so roughly 20 percent.
And our concern would be, the later we wait in the day to
qualify the folks who are now sitting downstairs, the more
likely it is that yield is going to drop.  So we don't want to
find ourselves in a position where we have fewer jurors in the
panel that's sitting downstairs qualified to be able to slide
in behind the current 12.  So our suggestion would be, if it
makes sense to everyone, to go through the qualification
process for the folks who are downstairs before going through
the peremptory process for the first 12.
THE COURT:  So the jurors that are downstairs are not
going to be ready immediately.
MR. SCHIRICK:  Understood.
THE COURT:  I don't expect them for another hour,
maybe longer, given how long they took yesterday.  And we could
get these peremptories knocked out now and just go right into
the qualification process.  And you're saying that you would
not like to do that.
MR. SCHIRICK:  Yeah.  I think our thought, your Honor,
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know we're going to get to that second 12——
THE COURT:  Right.  But what I'm saying is that we can
knock out the peremptories before the panel is even ready to
come up.
MR. SCHIRICK:  I completely understand.  I think the
thought, just to share with the Court, is really twofold.  One
is, the later in the day that we wait to qualify the folks who
are sitting downstairs, whom we know we're going to need——
THE COURT:  Right.  What I'm saying is that we would
not essentially be waiting.
MR. SCHIRICK:  Fair enough, your Honor.
THE COURT:  Do you disagree with that?
MR. SCHIRICK:  Well, I think——yeah, I think the sooner
we do that, the better is the first point; and the second point
is, just from a process perspective, for both the defense and
the government, being able to know, have some sense of who is
in the second 12 and a third 12 certainly informs the
peremptories that we would exercise beginning on the first 12.
THE COURT:  I understand the second point.  I disagree
with the first.
What is the prosecution's position?
MR. FINKEL:  Thank you, your Honor.
On the first point, I think it's most efficient to
proceed as the Court instructed the parties to be ready to do
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On the second point, the government feels that it's
appropriate to go forward now, if that's what the Court would
like to do.  If the Court wants to wait, we can, but we might
as well take advantage of this time.  That's the government's
view.
THE COURT:  I agree.  So let's start with the
peremptories.
MR. FINKEL:  Your Honor, just one just sort of
logistical question on the peremptories, just to make sure we
understand the pool correctly.  For the first 12, it's
essentially Juror No. 1 through Juror No. 69; is that correct?
THE COURT:  So according to my records, Juror No. 1
was dismissed.
MR. FINKEL:  Sorry.  Yes.
THE COURT:  Let me read out the list of jurors that I
understand to be in the pool.  Juror No. 2, 4, 5, 7, 10, 11,
12, 15, 34, 49, 58, 69, 70, 73, 77, 78, 79, 81, 83, 88, 90.
Okay.
MR. FINKEL:  And so, your Honor, if I may, so the
first sort of available 12 that we're striking from would be
2——69 would be the last of the 12.
THE COURT:  That is correct.
MR. FINKEL:  All right.  Thank you.
MS. SHROFF:  Your Honor, the way that we're striking
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how to strike on these 12 because the Court's rules don't allow
us to work backward, so in exercising the 10, we don't have a
sense of what is to come in the next pool, the next 12 and the
12 after.
THE COURT:  I understand your arguments, and I don't
agree with your premise, and the application is denied.
One moment, please.
All right.  I just received a message from my law
clerks that Juror No. 2 had stated that it was going to be a
financial hardship for her to serve so I'd like to bring her
back in.
MR. SCHIRICK:  Your Honor, we have one point of
clarification.  Is now the right time or——while the juror is
walking in?
THE COURT:  Go ahead.
MR. SCHIRICK:  The question is with respect to the
next subset.  Will we be asked to exercise on the following
eight or will we be qualifying an additional four so that we
have a subpanel of 12 before we exercise?
THE COURT:  We need 12, and so it's just going to be
that first group of 12.
MR. SCHIRICK:  Understood.  Thank you.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Good morning.  And welcome back.
JUROR:  Thank you.

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THE COURT:  I understand there's something you'd like
to say.
JUROR:  Yes.  I'm sorry about this.  My boss——or I
work for a university and I have a professor who is on——or my
boss has a professor who is on tenure——or, sorry, sabbatical,
and I'm on his project, and they need me until June 30th, so
she said it would be a financial hardship to let go of me for
seven weeks.  And——
THE COURT:  So where is it that you work?
JUROR:  Columbia University.
THE COURT:  And what's the nature of the work?
JUROR:  I work with, like——like, bacteria and, like
yeast materials, and I do, like, genetic transformations.
THE COURT:  You're in a lab.
JUROR:  Yes, in a lab.
THE COURT:  Okay.  And so what would happen if you got
hit by a truck today?
JUROR:  Well, his——his study would stall.  I'm the
only one working with him on his project, and I——I do the
genetic transformations for him and I prepare the materials for
him and then he will do experiments.  So it's like a teamwork
and——
THE COURT:  And if you got sick and you understood
that you have to be out for seven weeks, he would just have to
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JUROR:  Yes, I guess.
THE COURT:  And you would get paid during those weeks;
is that correct?
JUROR:  Yeah.
THE COURT:  So it essentially amounts to an
inconvenience to the professor; is that right?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  All right.  You can step out.
JUROR:  Okay.  Can I also say one more thing.  I am on
a medication and it kind of works as, like, a diuretic.  Sorry.
But I have——I, like, need a lot of restroom breaks, so——
THE COURT:  Well, how frequently would you say?
JUROR:  Like once an hour.  I had to ask your clerks
multiple times to use the bathroom.  It's——yeah.
THE COURT:  Okay.
JUROR:  And my concern would be, if we are in trial
for about three hours, I don't think I could do that without a
break.
THE COURT:  All right.  You can step out.
JUROR:  Okay.  Thank you.  I'm sorry.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Is there any objection to my excusing her?
MR. FINKEL:  Your Honor, we, of course, defer to the
Court, but with respect to the——she works for Columbia
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I'm sure they could fill in whatever inconvenience it is, and
if it's truly something only she can do, she can do it after
3:00.
With respect to the issue, the medical issue, she
seemed to be fine yesterday, and, you know, having to go to the
bathroom every 60, 90 minutes, whatever it is, is kind of
normal.  So we don't think this is a reason to excuse her for
cause.  That's the government's view.
THE COURT:  So your position is that I should just
give her those breaks.
MR. FINKEL:  Your Honor, I think——the government
defers to the Court because you're, of course, running the
trial, and if it will be inconvenient to the trial, then we
defer to the Court on its judgment with respect to that issue.
And with respect to the first issue, we would object, because I
don't think it's really a hardship to her or to Columbia
University.
THE COURT:  I agree with respect to No. 1, your point
No. 1.  With respect to point No. 2, we did excuse a gentleman
yesterday who said he had a prostate condition and needed to go
to the bathroom frequently.
MR. FINKEL:  That's true.  That individual said he had
to go to the bathroom every 15 minutes.
The other thing, just——this particular juror didn't
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today only after the Court sort of greeted the first issue with
appropriate skepticism, and I guess what I'm saying, your
Honor, is, candidly, I'm not really sure that's a major issue.
So I think——I think she should stay on.  If she survives, we'll
deal with her.
MR. KAMARAJU:  So I think we're all on the same page
with respect to the first issue, but I do think the second
issue would be pretty disruptive to the Court's calendar.  I
agree your Honor did dismiss somebody for a similar reason.
The juror did say that she had asked the clerks for a break
yesterday——several times, I think she said.  And the fact is
that throughout the process, we have been crediting the things
prospective jurors have said.  So I think she should be
excused.
THE COURT:  I'm going to consult my clerks.
MR. KAMARAJU:  Thank you, your Honor.
THE COURT:  I'm told by my clerks that she requested a
bathroom break three times in the morning, and so I think that
that that would slow things down for us, and so I'm going to
excuse her.
We also have No. 7, who has asked to speak with me
privately.  She states that there was something that she did
not say because she did not want to say it in front of the
attorneys.  And so I will have a private conference.  With the
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MS. SHROFF:  May we just approach, just counsel, for a
second?
THE COURT:  Okay.
(At the sidebar) 
MS. SHROFF:  Your Honor, it's about the interpreter.
THE COURT:  So you're asking to raise an issue off the
record?
MS. SHROFF:  Just for a minute.
(Discussion off the record)  
THE COURT:  So I understand that there's a complaint
concerning the interpreter, male interpreter who is the older
individual, that he is mistranslating, and the example that
counsel gave me was that for the word "hour," he said the word
"week," and so that, of course, is not acceptable, and I will
not have him continue as interpreter.  I am going to have my
staff contact the interpreters office to let them know that,
and we need a third individual, or we'll have to simply go with
two.  Certainly for right now, for this morning's purposes,
we're going to go with two.
MR. FERGENSON:  Thank you, your Honor.
MS. SHROFF:  Thank you.
MR. FINKEL:  For clarity of the record, we understand
defense counsel isn't raising any issues that defendant was
unable to understand what transpired in the courtroom or today,
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assistance so that he could understand what was going on in
this case and that there was no objection with what happened
yesterday or today.
MS. SHROFF:  The record is what the record is, your
Honor.  I mean, there's nothing further we can add.  The record
is clear.
THE COURT:  Well, the question is whether or not we
need to start from scratch because you may raise an objection
concerning what happened yesterday.
MS. SHROFF:  Your Honor, if we had an objection
yesterday, I promise you we would have raised it.  So what I
meant to say is, since there's nothing in the record yesterday,
we're not going to go back and raise it, because we know it
would be incumbent on us to raise it.  So I am aware, your
Honor, of course.
MR. FINKEL:  And there's no objection, as I understand
it, from Ms. Shroff with continuing to use that interpreter
today.  That's what she mentioned.
MS. SHROFF:  That's not what we said, and that's not
what the Court said.
MR. FINKEL:  Oh.
THE COURT:  We're just going to go with the two that
are——
MR. FINKEL:  Oh, I understand.
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longer be interpreting.
MR. FINKEL:  That's fine with the government.
MR. KAMARAJU:  Can we just have a moment to confer
about the Juror No. 7 issue?
THE COURT:  Yes.
MR. KAMARAJU:  Thank you, your Honor.
THE COURT:  Please have No. 7 come in.
(Juror present at sidebar; no attorneys present) 
THE COURT:  Good morning.  Welcome back.
You are No. what?
JUROR:  7.
THE COURT:  And your name?  
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what's the issue?
JUROR:  I'm so emotional.  In——so in 2022——my husband
was diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2022, and he was fine,
but on Monday we found out now that he has cancer again, so I
just want to know, like, we were trying to make arrangements on
what's our next plan, so I want to be there with him, like I
was there two years ago and I was supporting him in that area,
and me being in this case, it's too much for me.  It's going to
be a problem for me.
THE COURT:  So you know that we end every day at 2:45,
which will give you the opportunity to go to the doctor with
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JUROR:  Okay.  I didn't know that.  I thought you guys
ended at 5:00 every day.  And I'm here with no cellphone, with
no way to, you know, be in——like, if there was a video chat or
something, I couldn't even, you know, be part of the——the
meeting, so there's no form of him communicating with me.  I
thought that we was able to use our phones here.  We cannot
even bring our telephones here either.
THE COURT:  So you're saying that because you don't
have the phone, you feel that even being able to go to the
appointment is too distressing for you?
JUROR:  It's overwhelming for me knowing that he's
going through this process again, and it's just overwhelming
for me.  Like, I had the conversation with him yesterday.  I
really didn't want to discuss that in front of everyone
yesterday.  I felt very uncomfortable about it.  But I said,
you know, let me speak to the judge and see what, you know,
what can we do here.  I'm just sharing.  That's all.
THE COURT:  So what I'm trying to get at is whether,
knowing that you're leaving at 2:45 every day, is that a
comfortable way for you to go forward?
JUROR:  Yeah.  It's a comfortable way for me to go
forward.  I thought I was going to leave out of here like
around——I got home at 6:30 yesterday, and, you know, so——
THE COURT:  Okay.  So then just keep in mind, I will
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JUROR:  Okay.
THE COURT:  All right.  Thank you.
JUROR:  Okay.  Thank you.
(Discussion off the record)  
THE COURT:  So what I wanted to mention to you that I
didn't mention to you before is that when you have your break
from 11:30 to 12, we're going to provide a snack, and you can
use the cellphone at that time.
JUROR:  Yeah, yeah, I did, which I did yesterday.
Yeah, I did——I went right away and used my cellphone.  Yes.
Yes, if I have a problem, yes.  Thank you.
THE COURT:  Thank you.
(Juror not present)  
(In open court) 
THE COURT:  No. 7 told me that her husband has
prostate cancer and that she didn't feel comfortable discussing
the subject matter with the attorneys yesterday but she wants
to accompany him on any medical appointments, and I pointed out
that we will be ending at 2:45 every day, I asked her if she
was comfortable going forward knowing that, she said yes, and
so I see no reason to excuse her.
All right, then.  We are excusing No. 2, which means
that we are going to go through Juror No. 70.
All right.  So I will hear first from the defense.  Do
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group through No. 70?
MR. KAMARAJU:  Yes, your Honor.  Just for the record,
we'd obviously renew our for-cause objections from before to
jurors 11, 15——
THE COURT:  I'm having difficulty hearing you.  Would
you put the microphone near you.
MR. KAMARAJU:  I apologize.  Thank you, your Honor.  I
said just for the record, we would renew our for-cause
challenges to jurors 7, 11, 15, and 12 from yesterday, but in
terms of the peremptories that we're exercising today, 4, 7——
THE COURT:  One second.
So No. 4 is defense peremptory No. 1.
MR. KAMARAJU:  Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT:  What's the next one?
MR. KAMARAJU:  5, your Honor.
THE COURT:  No. 5.  No. 5 is defense peremptory No. 2.
Go ahead.
MR. KAMARAJU:  No. 7, your Honor.
THE COURT:  No. 7 is defense peremptory No. 3.  Go
ahead.
MR. KAMARAJU:  No. 11, your Honor.
THE COURT:  No. 11 is defense peremptory No. 4.  Go
ahead.
MR. KAMARAJU:  And our last one is No. 15, your Honor.
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Now we go to the prosecution.
MR. FINKEL:  Your Honor, the government strikes 49.
THE COURT:  Okay.  So No. 49 is the government's
peremptory No. 1.
MR. FINKEL:  Could we just have one second, your
Honor.
THE COURT:  Yes.
MR. FINKEL:  69.
THE COURT:  No. 69 is government peremptory No. 2.
MR. FINKEL:  And No. 70, your Honor.
THE COURT:  No. 70 is government peremptory No. 3.
And so you're saying that that is your last one?
MR. FINKEL:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Okay.
MR. FINKEL:  For this one.
THE COURT:  So that would make No. 10 Juror No. 1,
No. 34 Juror No. 2——is that incorrect?
MR. KAMARAJU:  I think you may have skipped over 12.
THE COURT:  No. 12?  Did I skip No. 12?  Oh, I'm
sorry.  I did.  So No. 12 is Juror No. 2; and then 34 is No. 3;
58, No. 4.  And I think that's it.  Are you in agreement?
MR. KAMARAJU:  From the defense we are, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL:  Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT:  Okay.  So are they preparing the panel?
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THE COURT:  We have about a hundred coming up.
All right, then.  So I'll let you know when the panel
is ready.
MR. KAMARAJU:  Thank you, your Honor.
(Recess) 
THE COURT:  You can be seated.
I was just informed that No. 58, who I believed to be
present, actually is not present and has stated that he or she
has a stomach flu and will be present tomorrow.  I don't know
if that alters anyone's position.
MR. FINKEL:  Not from the government.
MR. KAMARAJU:  So just so we understand, so we would
not seat her on the jury and just bring up the next panel; is
that how that——
THE COURT:  I don't think that that's what the
government is asking for.  Is that what you're asking for?
MR. KAMARAJU:  Well, I just know that if she has a
stomach flu, I know she hopes to be here tomorrow, but I don't
know we can count on her being here tomorrow.
THE COURT:  That is a legitimate concern.
MR. KAMARAJU:  So yes, we would ask that you not seat
her and let the parties proceed to the next panel with——I don't
know if that alters our strikes, but——
MR. FINKEL:  Your Honor, the government's view would
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morning, and I would defer to the Court and the district staff
with respect to her viability——that's not the right word——for
her confidence in her belief that she could be here on Friday,
and if she feels she'll be up to it, I think we should take her
at her word; if she feels she'll still be sick and can't come
in, that's a different story.
MR. KAMARAJU:  Then, your Honor, then we're stuck in a
position that you have one less alternate or juror than you
thought you had, instead of just addressing the issue now.
THE COURT:  Yes.  I don't think I can count on this
individual's claim.
MR. FINKEL:  Your Honor, although——well, for one,
although——well, it's not ideal, obviously, if a juror doesn't
show up tomorrow, but that's why we have alternates.  And of
course, look, if the Court feels that we should just sort of
take her off the jury and just move on to the next 12, the
government is not going to quibble with your Honor's
inclination, but if she does feel that she'll be in tomorrow, I
think we should accept that and move forward.  That's the
government's view.
MR. KAMARAJU:  So I'm assuming the government's
position is that we should move forward, from all of that.  As
we've said, I don't think it would be ideal for the Court to
start off with one alternate down before the trial has even
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remove her to and proceed to the next panel.
THE COURT:  I'm going to do that.  And so that means
that we only have three jurors.  So I'm going to dismiss her,
No. 58.
All right.
MR. KAMARAJU:  Thank you, your Honor.
(Recess) 
THE COURT:  I'm told that there's another juror who
wants to speak with me.  It's the individual who was selected
as Juror No. 2, formerly Juror No. 12.
MR. KAMARAJU:  I'm sorry, your Honor.  It was the one
originally designated Juror No. 12?
THE COURT:  The person who was yesterday known as
Juror No. 12.
I'm also told by the jury department that it is their
opinion that Juror No. 29 has cognitive difficulties, and so my
question is:  Is there any objection to my excusing him?
MR. KAMARAJU:  Not from the defense, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL:  29, your Honor?
THE COURT:  That's the——
MR. FINKEL:  Oh, is that one of the people who didn't
come back?
MS. SHROFF:  Your Honor, he did come back.  He came
back in the afternoon.  I think he was——
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MS. SHROFF:  He was escorted up by the jury clerk
because he was having difficulty, I believe, finding the floor.
MR. FINKEL:  I was just clarifying whether he was
someone we considered this morning.  I understand he was not.
No objection.
THE COURT:  All right.  So No. 29 is dismissed.
THE LAW CLERK:  Counsel, your microphones tend to be
on so in the livestream they can hear you unless we mute all of
them, which I can do, so when we're on the record, obviously,
we want the microphones on, but during voir dire, we have
everything muted.
MR. FERGENSON:  I think we're able to turn it off,
so——
THE LAW CLERK:  This is being livestreamed into the
jury room as well as the overflow, so I just wanted you to be
aware of that.
MR. FERGENSON:  Understood.  Thank you.
THE COURT:  We'll return when that juror arrives.
MR. KAMARAJU:  Thank you, your Honor.
(Recess)  
(Juror present in the courtroom) 
THE COURT:  Good morning.
JUROR:  Good morning.
THE COURT:  What number are you?
JUROR:  12.

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THE COURT:  And what is it you wanted to tell me?
JUROR:  So I have my——my parents are coming into town
in June.  They haven't been here since 2015.  And so I was
trying to plan something nice, and I made a reservation
June 18th through the 21st in Amagansett.  And I checked
yesterday, it's nonrefundable, you know, a month before.  Up to
a month before, it's refundable; after that, it's
nonrefundable.  And I spent $4,185 on this trip that I would
have to——that I would lose, in addition to not, you know, being
able to, I guess, enjoy the time with my parents.  But it
really is about the money and I guess the nonrefundability
about it.
THE COURT:  When did you make those plans?
JUROR:  In April.
THE COURT:  And do you have proof of these
reservations?
JUROR:  I do.
THE COURT:  With you?
JUROR:  Well, on my phone, which I don't have, but I'm
certainly willing to show you on my phone.
THE COURT:  Well, I'm directing that you show me.
JUROR:  Okay.  Of course.
THE COURT:  And I'm going to have you send an email to
the court email address, and my law clerks will give that to
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JUROR:  Okay.
THE COURT:  Why didn't you mention this yesterday?
JUROR:  Because, again, getting to your——well, I
wanted to see if it was——if there was a way to cancel it,
but——so I wanted to check just in case, and so I didn't mention
it because maybe, you know, saying that you have a vacation
isn't, you know, a good enough reason.  But then when I checked
and I realized that——quite frankly, I forgot how large of an
amount it was, and when I checked that it is nonrefundable,
that's why I brought it up today.
THE COURT:  So was it just you and your parents going
to Amagansett or were there others involved?
JUROR:  My wife.
THE COURT:  All right.  So you can retrieve your
cellphone and send that email, and then I'll call you back in.
Your cellphone is where?
JUROR:  Downstairs.
THE COURT:  Okay.
JUROR:  Okay.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  So if it is the case that he made those
plans in April and whatever email comes through looks like it
is legitimate, what would be the parties' position?
MR. KAMARAJU:  Well, I think it would be consistent
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have had preplanned travel to excuse him.  I think that's what
we've been doing with all of the other jurors who had travel
planned before they were called for jury duty, who had already
paid for the accommodations and would suffer financial harm if
they didn't, so I think——yeah, for a personal reason, your
Honor.  I'm sorry.  Ms. Shroff is reminding me that in the
past, with the prospective jurors who had personal travel that
was preplanned, the Court has excused them, and so I think
No. 12 would be in that same boat.
MR. FINKEL:  Your Honor, the government shares what I
believe to be the Court's frustration that this juror didn't
mention this obvious conflict yesterday.  I think it would have
saved the parties' time.  Being that we're here, if he has a
$4,000 vacation planned that he can't move, no objection.
THE COURT:  All right.  So when I see the
documentation, I'll let you know.
MR. KAMARAJU:  Thank you, your Honor.
(Recess) 
THE COURT:  So I have the reservation, which indicates
that it was made on April 16th of this year and that it's for
three nights on June 18th, 19th, and 20th, so if he were
required to serve, he would miss the vacation.
Any further comments?
MR. FERGENSON:  No, your Honor.  Thank you.
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If you'll have the juror brought back in, please.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  You may be seated.
Thank you for sending the email.  I see that you would
have to miss your vacation if you were to serve as a juror, and
so I'm going to excuse you.
JUROR:  Thank you, your Honor.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  So that is going to mean that No. 34 is
now No. 2.
I'm told that the second panel is outside.  I'm told
that No. 14 from yesterday is now here and so I'll put him at
the very end, seat him as the last person.  
All right.  If we can have the panel brought in.
(Jury venire present) 
(Jury venire sworn) 
THE LAW CLERK:  Thank you.
I will now be calling you by the number that you were
given downstairs.  The judge's law clerks will be confirming
that your identity, your name matches up with the jury number
that we have and that you have and usher you to your seats.  At
no time in open court will your name be used on the record.
Juror 101, please come forward.
Juror 102, please come forward.
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the 100 to 200 range, please make your way closer to the front
of the courtroom, if that's possible.  I know it is a tight
squeeze at the moment.
Juror 103, please come forward.
Juror 104, please come forward.
Juror 105, please come forward.
Juror 106, please come forward.
Juror 107, please come forward.
Juror 108, please come forward.
Juror 109, please come forward.
Juror 110, please come forward.
Juror 111, please come forward.
Juror 112, please come forward.
Juror 113, please come forward.
Juror 114, please come forward.
Juror 115, please come forward.
Juror 116, please come forward.
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THE LAW CLERK:  Juror 116, please come forward.
Juror 117, please come forward.
Juror 118, please come forward.
Juror 119, please come forward.
Juror 120, please come forward.
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Juror 123, please come forward.
Juror 124, please come forward.
Juror 125, please come forward.
Juror 126, please come forward.
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THE LAW CLERK:  Juror 126, please come forward.
Juror 127, please come forward.
Juror 128, please come forward.
(Pause) 
THE LAW CLERK:  Juror 128, please come forward.
Juror 129, please come forward.
Juror 130, please come forward.
Juror 131, please come forward.
Juror 132, please come forward.
Juror 133, please come forward.
Juror 134, please come forward.
Juror 135, please come forward.
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Juror 138, please come forward.
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Juror 145, please come forward.
Juror 146, please come forward.
Juror 147, please come forward.
Juror 148, please come forward.
Juror 149, please come forward.
Juror 150, please come forward.
Juror 151, please come forward.
Juror 152, please come forward.
Juror 153, please come forward.
Juror 153, the bench to my right.
Juror 154, please come forward.
Juror 155, please come forward.
Juror 156, please come forward.
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Juror 169, please come forward.
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Juror 171, please come forward.
Juror 172, please come forward.
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Juror 194, please come forward.
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Juror 196, please come forward.
Juror 197, please come forward.
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THE COURT:  Good morning.
THE JURORS:  Good morning.
THE COURT:  My name is Analisa Torres.  I'm the judge
who will be handling this trial.  We're here this morning to
select a jury in a criminal case, which is titled United States
v. Miles Guo.
Through this process, we will choose the 12 jurors and
six alternate jurors who will hear and decide the case.
Trial is expected to last about seven weeks, but it's
impossible to predict the exact length of the trial.
Today you'll be required to be here until 5 p.m.  If
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to be here from 9 a.m. sharp to 5 p.m. tomorrow.
After jury selection, our schedule will be as follows:
You'll be required to be in the courtroom from 9:30 a.m. to
2:45 p.m., with a break from 11:30 a.m. to 12 p.m.  So once a
jury is selected, if you're on the jury, the schedule is,
you'll be here starting at 9:30 sharp, you'll leave at
2:45 p.m., and there will be a break between 11:30 a.m. and
12 p.m.
The jury selection process is intended to make sure
that we have a jury of citizens who will decide the issues in
this case fairly and impartially, and without any bias or
prejudice in favor of or against either side.  In order to do
that, I'm going to ask certain questions about your personal
background, your family, some of your beliefs and attitudes
about certain matters, how you are employed, and so forth.  You
should understand my questioning is not intended to pry into
your lives but to make sure that we select fair and impartial
jurors——that is, jurors who will be free from preconceived
notions or prejudice that might prevent them from returning a
fair and just verdict, based solely on the evidence or lack of
evidence.
If for any reason you are unable to serve as a fair
and impartial juror, it is your duty to inform me.  In
responding to my questions, it is important that you not say in
open court anything about the parties in this case or about any

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other matter that might tend to impair the open-mindedness and
fairness of the other jurors.  If a question calls for a yes or
no answer, simply answer yes or no.  If there are further
matters that you believe should be disclosed but that might
tend to influence the other jurors, you may ask to approach the
bench to discuss them.
If you are selected to serve, you will be provided
light refreshments in the morning and a light snack during the
lunch break each day.
As I said, this is a criminal case.  The defendant,
Miles Guo, has been charged with committing 12 federal crimes
in a document called an indictment.  The indictment itself is
not evidence.  It simply contains the charges that the
government is required to prove to the satisfaction of the jury
beyond a reasonable doubt.  I will instruct the jury on what
this burden of proof means after the evidence is presented.  
The defendant has denied the charges and has pleaded
not guilty.
I have no knowledge of the facts of this case and
nothing that I say is evidence.  I will, however, briefly
discuss the charges so that you'll understand the reason for
certain questions, and so that we can determine whether there
is anything about the charges that would make it impossible for
you to serve as a fair and impartial juror.
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will receive a detailed explanation of the charges at the
conclusion of the case.
Before I start asking questions, I will explain why
each of you has been assigned a number and will be called by
your number only.  This case will be tried before a partially
anonymous jury.  The names of the jurors and of all of you who
are seated here are not going to be announced publicly.  I, the
court administrators, the defendant, defense counsel, the
prosecution, and my law clerks will know your names, but again,
that will not be shared with the public.  Jurors who are
ultimately selected can share their names with each other, but
in open court, no juror will ever be referenced by their name.
This case has attracted media attention, and that is
likely to continue.  The purpose of using a partially anonymous
jury in this trial is to protect all of you from any unwanted
attention and invasion of your privacy, and to ensure that
nothing transpires that might interfere with your impartial and
objective study of the evidence and the application of the law.
I am now going to tell you briefly about the charges
in this case.
The indictment consists of 12 charges, or counts.  The
government alleges that the defendant operated four fraudulent
investment schemes as part of a criminal enterprise.  The term
"criminal enterprise" is also referred to as a racketeering or
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Count One charges the defendant with conspiracy to
operate a criminal enterprise.
Counts Two, Three, and Four charge the defendant with
conspiracy to commit wire fraud, bank fraud, securities fraud,
and money laundering offenses.
Counts Five and Six charge the defendant with
securities fraud and wire fraud in connection with a private
stock offering for a media company known as GTV.
Counts Seven and Eight charge the defendant with wire
fraud and securities fraud in connection with loans made to a
group known as the Himalaya Farm Alliance.
Counts Nine and Ten charge the defendant with wire
fraud and securities fraud in connection with a lifestyle
membership company known as G Clubs.
Count Eleven charges the defendant with wire fraud in
connection with the Himalaya Exchange, which some have
described as a cryptocurrency ecosystem.
Finally, Count Twelve charges the defendant with
making a $100 million wire transfer using money derived from a
crime.
The defendant has pleaded not guilty and is presumed
innocent of these charges unless and until he is proven guilty
beyond a reasonable doubt under rules that I will describe as
we proceed.  I briefly discuss the charges not for the purpose
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them in mind as we go through jury selection.
I am now going to ask some questions of the entire
group.  If you prefer not to give your answer in public, just
let me know, and the lawyers and I will hear you at the bench.
If you have a yes answer to any of these questions, please
raise your hand so that I and my staff can see who you are,
then I will either discuss your yes answer with you in open
court or ask you to come over to the sidebar and speak with me
and the attorneys in private.  It is important that each of you
not discuss among yourselves any questions that I ask.
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THE COURT:  After we have reviewed a number of general
questions together as a group, then I will ask each of you
concerning your own individual backgrounds.
During the questioning, you may be excused from
serving as a juror in this case.  If you happen to be excused,
do not consider that a reflection on you personally.  This is
all part of our system of justice, which is intended to provide
a fair and impartial jury for both sides.  You will have done
your duty by your presence and your readiness to serve.
Do any of you have a problem with your hearing or
vision that would prevent you from serving as a juror?
JUROR:  Yes, my vision has changed.
THE COURT:  If you'll just wait one moment.
If you'll say your number. 
JUROR:  My number is 117.  And my vision has changed.
And I don't have glasses that currently reflect what my vision
is.  I can see up close with my glasses, but otherwise things
are blurry.
THE COURT:  Can you see the court reporter, the
stenographer, who is there with the black jacket and a red
shirt?
JUROR:  I can see her and she's blurry, but I can see
her.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Anything else?
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THE COURT:  Vision or hearing?
JUROR:  Oh, no, no.  Nothing else.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Anyone else?
Are any of why you taking any medications or do you
have any health-related problems that would prevent you from
serving as a juror?
All right.  You may step up. 
Counsel.
(At sidebar) 
THE COURT:  With regard to No. 117, she says her
vision is blurry.  Is there anyone who'd object to my excusing
her?
MR. KAMARAJU:  Not from the defense, your Honor.
MR. FINKEL:  No objection.
THE COURT:  Okay.  So No. 117 is dismissed.
All right.  So let's have the first individual come 
forward. 
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  All right, then, sir.  What is your
number?
JUROR:  103.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  I've been told by my doctors this week I have
a possible heart condition and a battery of tests starting next
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bypass, so it's something where considering the length of this
trial, very concerned that I'd have to wait that long to do
these tests.
THE COURT:  Are you saying that you had a triple
bypass?
JUROR:  My father did.
THE COURT:  Your father did?
JUROR:  A family history, yes.
THE COURT:  So if you're selected for the jury, we
stop every day at 2:45; and so you would be able to go to
appointments in the late afternoon.  Would that be --
JUROR:  I mean, I don't know what kind of delays -- I
know we've already had schedules for things first thing in the
morning next week.  I don't know if they're able to reschedule
them.  I know the length of this trial is TBD, so I don't know
how --
THE COURT:  So I'll ask you to step back.  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Is there any objection to my excusing him?
MR. KAMARAJU:  Not from the defense, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
THE COURT:  Okay.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi.  Would you tell me your number.
JUROR:  154.

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THE COURT:  And what's your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what's the problem?
JUROR:  So I had a stroke like three weeks ago.  And I
have multiple appointments coming up in June because they don't
know the cause of the stroke.
THE COURT:  All right.  I'm sorry to hear that.  And I
wish you a very swift recovery.
JUROR:  Thank you.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Was that 154?
MS. MURRAY:  Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT:  Any objection to her being excused?
MR. KAMARAJU:  Not from the defense, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What is your number?
JUROR:  121.
THE COURT:  And what is your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  XXXXXXX?
JUROR:  XXXXX.
THE COURT:  What is your problem?
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because I have two herniated disks and a side joint dysfunction
due to a joint disorder.
THE COURT:  All righty.  Well, hope that you recover
from that.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing No. 121?
MR. KAMARAJU:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  All righty, sir.  What is your number?
JUROR:  138.
THE COURT:  138.  And what is your name?
JUROR:  Heriberto Sanchez Soto.
THE COURT:  What is the problem?
JUROR:  I had an injury in my shoulder.  And I'm
undergoing physical therapy three times a week.  And I usually
do it at 8 in the morning until 9 o'clock, so probably getting
here would be an issue by 9:30.
THE COURT:  So we are stopping every day at 2:45.
Could you do it in the afternoon?
JUROR:  I will see if I could change the schedule to
do it at 5 or -- they're open until -- I think 6 is their last
appointment they take.
THE COURT:  Okay.  And again, your number again?
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THE COURT:  Okay.  All right.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Okay.  So we'll see what happens with him.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi.  Your number please?
JUROR:  165.
THE COURT:  And what is your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  I have epilepsy.  And I take medication that
interferes with short-term memory and word retrieval.
THE COURT:  Understood.  All righty.
Thank you.  You may step back. 
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Is there any objection to my excusing No.
165?
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What is your number?
JUROR:  170.
THE COURT:  And what is your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what's the problem?
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and DVT, which is one in the upper body, one in the leg.  I
take medication three times a day, which is an injection, a
blood thinner injection.  And basically, being stationary for
long periods of time is not really helpful, causes clots, which
I do have a clot in my leg right now.  But I still have to come
because I would be in the hospital as of right now.
THE COURT:  All right, sir.  I hope you get better.  
You may step back. 
JUROR:  It's a lifetime thing, so thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing No. 170?
MR. KAMARAJU:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What is your number?
JUROR:  171.
THE COURT:  What is your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What's the problem?
JUROR:  Endometriosis.  I was recently diagnosed with
it last month.  I have a biopsy for it next month.
THE COURT:  So we stop every day at 2:45.  Can you
schedule the biopsy for the afternoon?
JUROR:  I can, but the -- as well as the -- sorry.
The pain that I have makes me debilitated for like two to three
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bed at times.
THE COURT:  All right.  Well, I'm hoping that you get
better.
JUROR:  Thank you.
THE COURT:  All right.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing No. 171?
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi.  What is your number?
JUROR:  159.
THE COURT:  And what is your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What's the problem?
JUROR:  I'm prescribed a controlled substance by my
doctor for ADHD; and it needs to be taken at certain times
throughout the day.  I'm worried that with the Court's
schedule, I wouldn't be able to maintain that schedule without
taking my medication throughout the day.
THE COURT:  When is it that you need to take it?
JUROR:  8, 11 and 1 -- 8, 11, and 2.
THE COURT:  So if I see to it that you're able to take
it at those times, would you be able to serve?
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THE COURT:  All right, then.  Your number again?
JUROR:  159.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Thank you.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
MS. SHROFF:  Did you want to ask him if there are any
effects to the narcotics substance?  I'm happy to leave it, I'm
just suggesting if you want.
THE COURT:  All right.  We can bring him back.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi.  This medication that you're taking,
would that have any effect on your ability to function in the
courtroom?
JUROR:  I dehydrate a little bit, I need a little
water; but, I mean, it's just for my focus.
THE COURT:  So with the medication you're able to
focus normally?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Thank you.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  All right.
So I see no reason to dismiss him. 
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
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(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi.  Your number, please?
JUROR:  134.
THE COURT:  And what is your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  So I am in a clinical trial for multiple
myeloma.  It's a form of blood cancer.  So I'm in a clinical
trial.  And so I have to draw blood samples periodically, I go
to get tested at MSK.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Is there any objection to my excusing No.
134?
MR. KAMARAJU:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What is your number?
JUROR:  111.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  Okay.  I found that over the last couple of
years, I find that I have to go to the bathroom much more
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about an hour ago, and now I have to go again.  And I'm
wondering if that's going to disrupt the proceedings.
THE COURT:  So would you say that you need to go every
hour?
JUROR:  It varies.  It's not a set schedule.  It's
just I have to go way more often than I used to.
THE COURT:  I'm trying to determine if you were a
juror, when I would need to give a break for you to go, that's
what I'm thinking about.
JUROR:  I can't give a definite answer.
THE COURT:  So if I said I'm going to give you a break
once an hour?
JUROR:  I suppose that would do.
THE COURT:  You suppose?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  But you're not certain?
JUROR:  Not certain.
THE COURT:  Okay.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Is there any objection to my excusing No.
111?
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What's your number?

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JUROR:  116.
THE COURT:  And would you tell me your name, please.
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  I'm in mental health treatment about three
times a week for anxiety and an eating disorder.  I have a
letter from my therapist.  I didn't know if I should bring it
up right now or not, but --
THE COURT:  Yes.  Can I see the letter?
JUROR:  Other hardship things, too, but I think
it's -- she's concerned and I'm concerned that jury duty is
going to put me over the edge.
THE COURT:  All right.  I have an email from Christine
Speare to Melissa Halligan -- I'm sorry, Melissa Halligan to
Christine Speare.  And Dr. Halligan identifies herself as a
Ph.D. clinical psychologist at 353 Central Park West.
It says:  This letter will serve to confirm that 
Ms. Christine Speare is currently in mental health treatment 
with Dr. Melissa Halligan to address an anxiety disorder.  
Ms. Speare has indicated to me that serving on a jury at this 
time would put her under significant stress, exacerbating her 
anxiety disorder.   
All right.  Thank you for letting us know. 
JUROR:  Okay.  Okay.
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(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  What number was that?
MS. SHROFF:  116.
THE COURT:  All right.
No objection to my excusing her? 
MR. KAMARAJU:  Not from us, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello?
JUROR:  Hi.
THE COURT:  You're No. 151?
JUROR:  151.
THE COURT:  And what is your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  I take medication for high blood pressure and
anxiety.
THE COURT:  Okay.  So would either of those things
prevent you from being a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  So you would be able to sit through
courtroom testimony?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  And nothing about being a juror is going
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JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Okay, then.  You may step back.
(Juror not present)  
THE COURT:  So I see no reason to excuse No. 151.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What number are you?
JUROR:  150.
THE COURT:  And what is your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  Okay.  It's more like a question.
I have some medical appointments.  And I was just 
wondering if that will interfere.  My son has to do a procedure 
next month; and I have to go with him to pick him up after the 
procedure. 
THE COURT:  Do you know what time the procedure is?
JUROR:  June 12th.
THE COURT:  What time of day?
JUROR:  That I don't know.  He just told me the 12th.
THE COURT:  Do you have an idea of when you would have
to pick him up?
JUROR:  Whenever the procedure is over.  But I don't
know -- I could find out.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Is that the only issue --
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the hearing?  Because --
THE COURT:  You'll have to read during the trial.
JUROR:  I'm having issue with my eyes.  I had cataract
surgery, and now I'm having aftereffects.  So I went to the
doctor, the specialist.  And on the 30th I got to go back for
him to see why I keep on having an infection -- not infection,
my eyes keep getting inflamed.  So I have an appointment on the
30th.
THE COURT:  So are you saying that at this time you
can't read?
JUROR:  I can read some things, but I can't see
every -- everything.  It's a little bit blurry.
THE COURT:  Okay.  All right.  Thank you.
You may step back. 
JUROR:  Okay.  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Is that 150?
MR. KAMARAJU:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing her?
MR. KAMARAJU:  Not from us, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  What is your number?
JUROR:  155.
THE COURT:  And your name, please?

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JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  I see a kidney specialist every month.  And my
son, he's got cerebral palsy, goes to physical therapy twice a
week.
THE COURT:  And you take him?
JUROR:  Yes.  I'm a single parent.
THE COURT:  All right.  You can step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  No objection to my excusing No. 155?
MR. KAMARAJU:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
JUROR:  Good morning.  Juror 167.
THE COURT:  167.  And what is your name, sir?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  I take medication for my blood pressure,
diabetes and cholesterol.  And I can't take them in the
mornings coming here because it makes me use the bathroom.  I
take them at night.
Yesterday I was coming, I almost had an episode on the 
stairs, climbing the stairs.  It's just too hard for me.  I 
felt like I was having a heart attack climbing the stairs if I 
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but I can't because I need to go to the bathroom.  I don't know 
what to do. 
THE COURT:  All righty.  Thank you for letting me
know.  You can step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  167.
MR. KAMARAJU:  Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing him?
MR. KAMARAJU:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What is your number?
JUROR:  179.
THE COURT:  And what is the issue?
I'm sorry, before you tell me that, what is your name? 
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  I'm sorry.  Would you tell me your number
once more?
JUROR:  179.
THE COURT:  Go ahead.
JUROR:  Two things:  
I have chronic debilitating migraines, awful; on the 
floor foaming at the mouth.  They usually have about a 
six-to-15-day spread in between the two of them.  I've been 
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one is going to happen and it's going to be a problem.   
Two, I'm currently working third shift at my job and 
being awake is proving very difficult. 
THE COURT:  Thank you for letting me know.  
I hope your condition improves. 
JUROR:  Me, too.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing 179?
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
MR. BARKAN:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  What is your number?
JUROR:  196.
THE COURT:  Okay.  And what's the problem?
JUROR:  I have hypertension.  So I'm taking five
milligrams of Amlodipine for hypertension.
THE COURT:  Okay.  That is a standard medication.
Would this condition that you have interfere with your 
ability to sit as a juror in this case? 
JUROR:  I don't think so.
THE COURT:  All righty.
So is that all you wanted to tell me? 
JUROR:  Yes, that's all.  That's all I'm taking.
THE COURT:  Tell me your name.
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

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THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  I see no reason to excuse her.
MR. KAMARAJU:  Agreed, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  Agree.
THE COURT:  I have to tell you that in my 13 years as
a state judge, I never saw this volume of ill people.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Sir, what is your number?
JUROR:  200.
THE COURT:  And your name, sir?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what's the problem?
JUROR:  Well, I'm going through vascular tests,
testing right now for my diabetes, and mobility issue.  Taking
the train, going up and down the stairs, is a problem for me.
THE COURT:  So you feel it is physically difficult for
you to make it to court?
JUROR:  Right now, yeah.  Well, when I go to work, I
drive there; but to take the subway to get here and going up
and down the stairs is difficult for me.
THE COURT:  Okay.  And you said that you were number?
JUROR:  200.
THE COURT:  Okay.  All right.  So you can step back.

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(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing No. 200?
MR. KAMARAJU:  Not from us, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello there.  What number are you?
JUROR:  203.
THE COURT:  And your name, please?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  I have M.S., and I've been symptomatic as of
late.  So I'm here because I actually have appointments next
week with my neurologist to talk through it.  So I don't
know -- I don't know if this was the right line for me to get
on, but the point is is that I've been symptomatic and I have
upcoming appointments to figure out what we're going to do
about it.
THE COURT:  So when you say that you've been
symptomatic, are those symptoms that would interfere with you
serving as a juror?
JUROR:  I think so.  I have dizziness and I also have
a little bit of brain fog.  So it's been high end as of late.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You said that you are 203?
JUROR:  I am.
THE COURT:  Okay.  You may step back.

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(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing No. 203?
MR. KAMARAJU:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
THE COURT:  Is that it?
MR. KAMARAJU:  Yup.
Maybe we'll get to the weddings next. 
MS. SHROFF:  She's young.
THE COURT:  All righty.  Let's keep going.
(In open court) 
THE COURT:  Do any of you have trouble understanding
or reading English?
All right.  If you'll step up, sir. 
(At sidebar) 
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello, sir.  What is your number?
JUROR:  139.
THE COURT:  139.
JUROR:  Yeah.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  My English is not enough to understand what
you saying.
THE COURT:  Okay.  What is your name, sir?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what do you do for a living?

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JUROR:  Just a worker.
THE COURT:  What kind of work do you do?
JUROR:  Warehouse.
THE COURT:  Okay.  And what do you do at the
warehouse?
JUROR:  Just stock, stock setup.
THE COURT:  You do stock.
Okay.  You may step back. 
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Is there any objection to my excusing No.
139?
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
MS. SHROFF:  No.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  Would you tell me your number,
please.
JUROR:  201.
THE COURT:  And what is your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  The problem is that, first of all, I can read,
but to understand, I don't understand everything, and especial
the words what the people use in court.
THE COURT:  Did you understand everything that I said?
JUROR:  Yes.

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THE COURT:  And what do you do for a living?
JUROR:  I'm a computer programmer.
THE COURT:  And where do you work?
JUROR:  I work for Department of Education.
THE COURT:  The city or --
JUROR:  City.
THE COURT:  And what is your educational background?
JUROR:  I'm a musician.
THE COURT:  All right.  You're a musician.
So do you have a college degree? 
JUROR:  I do have a college degree in Russia.
THE COURT:  In Russia.  Okay.
What is your instrument? 
JUROR:  Violin.
THE COURT:  That's wonderful.
So you're saying that you would feel uncomfortable in 
the courtroom, is that what you're telling me? 
JUROR:  I don't know if I feel comfortable or
uncomfortable.  But if I don't understand something which is
really important, I cannot be a juror on the case like this
because this is important case.  That's what I feel.
THE COURT:  But you've told me that you have
understood everything that I said.
JUROR:  Yes.  No, now.  Before, not everything.
THE COURT:  Not everything before?

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JUROR:  Not everything.
THE COURT:  Okay.  All right, then.
You can step back.  Thank you. 
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Is there any objection to my excusing No.
201?
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
(In open court) 
THE COURT:  If a witness testified in a language that
you know and an interpreter translates the testimony, would any
of you not be able to rely exclusively on the interpreter's
translation of the testimony?
The trial in this case is estimated to last a total of
about seven weeks, that is, until approximately July 12th.  We
will not be in session on federal holidays, nor will court be
in session on the following dates:
Monday, May 27th; Wednesday, June 19th; Friday, June 
28th; Monday, July 1st; Thursday, July 4th; and Friday, July 
5th.   
Keeping in mind your civic duty to serve as a juror, 
is there anything about the length of the trial that would make 
it an extreme hardship for you to serve as a juror? 
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(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello, sir.  Your number?
JUROR:  Juror 101.
THE COURT:  And your name, please.
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  I have to be in California for work the 12th
through the 15th of June.  And then besides that, my son is a
ninja athlete, and he's got a world ninja competition in
Greensboro, North Carolina.  We've already booked hotels and
everything.  And that's June -- starts, like, June 20th and can
go through the 25th, depending on how he has performed.
THE COURT:  All righty.  So you may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Is there any objection to my excusing 101?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.
JUROR:  103.
THE COURT:  Yes.
JUROR:  I am a project manager for an investment bank,
and I have a few different deadlines in the next few weeks,
including some work for the SEC, AML, anti-motion in limine --
THE COURT:  You may step back.

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(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  He's already been excused.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Sir, what is your number?
JUROR:  111.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi.  What is your number?
JUROR:  109.
THE COURT:  What is your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What is the problem?
JUROR:  I'm a primary caretaker of a two-year-old.
Just numerous doctors' appointments, things like that.
THE COURT:  There's no one who can fill in for you?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing her?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello again.  What is your number?

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JUROR:  116.
THE COURT:  116.  All right.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What is your number?
JUROR:  112.
THE COURT:  What is your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What is the problem?
JUROR:  I have two children; one is 15, the other one
is 11.  The 15 depends on me a lot.  He has behavior issues.
So I have to be, you know, catering to him and my 11-year-old
daughter.  And, you know, it's really difficult.
THE COURT:  When you say behavior problems, does he
have a diagnosis?
JUROR:  Yes, he does.  He has ADD and he has conduct
disorder.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing No. 112?
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Sir, what is your number?

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JUROR:  114.  Adelso Tavares.
THE COURT:  What's the issue?
JUROR:  I recently bought a house.  And I also have a
child going to university.  And I also help my sister with her
rent, so she's having financial issues.  So I have a lot of
pressure on my back to complete my mortgage and help out family
members.
THE COURT:  Are you saying that serving as a juror
would be a financial hardship?
JUROR:  I'm the main breadwinner of the house.
THE COURT:  Are you saying that you would not be paid
if you're on a jury?
JUROR:  No.  So my way of being paid is not enough to
be able to cover any of my expenses for the house or helping
out my family members.
THE COURT:  All right.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing 114?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What is your number?
JUROR:  118.
THE COURT:  And your name, please?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

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THE COURT:  What's the problem?
JUROR:  It would be a financial hardship for me.  I am
an account executive at a drug company.  They don't pay for any
jury duty.  And I am expecting a baby 1/18, so six months.  So
it's a hardship.  I won't be able to recoup the money because
of the length of the trial.  And I'm the sole financial person
in my household.
THE COURT:  All right, then.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
Any objection to my excusing No. 118? 
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Your number?
JUROR:  123.
THE COURT:  Your name?
JUROR:  XXXX.
THE COURT:  Full name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What is the problem?
JUROR:  So a couple things.
I have a physical therapy practice on the Upper East 
Side.  If I leave for that kind of period of time, I have 
patients that have already started plans of care.  It sets me 
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other therapist who works with me already has a full schedule.  
I can't transfer anybody over.  Like last night and tonight, 
I'm leaving court to go treat from 5 to 8 p.m. to try and make 
sure that the people get in in the short term.  Big picture, if 
you take that kind of revenue away from my business for the 
next seven weeks, you could legitimately make me go bankrupt. 
THE COURT:  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
Any objection to my excusing No. 123? 
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
THE COURT:  All right.  Who's next?
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  What is your number?
JUROR:  122.
THE COURT:  And your name, please?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What's the problem?
JUROR:  I have a three-year-old in preschool, and I
have a six-year-old in kindergarten, and I come from
Westchester.  I drop my son off at school at 8:40, my daughter
off at 9.  I'm the one that gets them ready for school in the
morning and drop them off.  
In order to be here on time for six weeks, I would 
have to find someone to be able to get them ready and drop them 
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THE COURT:  All righty.  You said you were 122?
JUROR:  Yes, ma'am.
THE COURT:  All right.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing No. 122?
MS. SHROFF:  No.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What is your number?
JUROR:  142 -- hold on.  124.
THE COURT:  124.  And what is your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  I didn't have any -- I didn't really hear what
you said.
THE COURT:  Do you have problems with your hearing?
JUROR:  No, the concentrating.
THE COURT:  So are you saying that you didn't
understand what I said?
JUROR:  It was I didn't hear the whole thing you said.
THE COURT:  Okay.  All righty.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Is there any objection to my excusing 124?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.

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MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What is your number?
JUROR:  121.
THE COURT:  And did you say 121?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Oh, yes.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
(Juror present) 
JUROR:  120.
THE COURT:  And your name, please?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What's the problem?
JUROR:  Oh, your Honor, I'm a nurse at the Memorial
Sloan Kettering; and I do direct patient care.  It would be a
burden for me and my coworkers if I would be out for the next
seven weeks.
THE COURT:  Are there other nurses at Memorial Sloan
Kettering?
JUROR:  Yes, but my team work on short staff as it is.
So seven weeks might be too much.
THE COURT:  And what happens if you get hit by a truck
today?
JUROR:  Oh, well, they can handle it.
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JUROR:  Yes.  I hope not -- I won't be --
THE COURT:  Of course.  I certainly hope not.
And so you will be paid by MSK while you're on jury 
duty; is that right? 
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Okay.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Okay.  No reason to excuse her.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What is your number?
JUROR:  119.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What's the problem?
JUROR:  Problem is that my employer only pays me for
five weeks of jury duty.  And my bills are significantly higher
than what the court can pay.  So I am stressed that I may not
be paid for six or seven weeks.
THE COURT:  So you're saying it would be a financial
hardship?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  All right.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  No objection to my excusing No. 119?
MS. SHROFF:  No.

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MS. MURRAY:  No.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Sir, what is your number?
JUROR:  102.
THE COURT:  And tell me your name, please.
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  Okay.  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  Tomorrow I have doctor appointment, and then
I'm Uber driver.  If I am not working, I have no money.  I have
three kids in college.
THE COURT:  And so this would be a financial hardship?
JUROR:  Yeah.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing 102?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Sir, your number, please?
125.  Okay.  And your name? 
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  Okay.  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  My wife is a CNA and often gets called in to
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happened yesterday.  So there was a time at which my child, who
is a minor, had to be home alone.  And for that -- that
frequently happens at her job.  And she is called to go to an
elder care facility and cover.  
And the thought of six or seven weeks where my son's 
going to be alone at home is very concerning.  And sometimes 
when he has been at home some bad things have happened.  So 
lifting weights, he broke the glass in the wall unit.  He tried 
cooking and burned the section on the -- 
THE COURT:  I understand your concern, sir.
You may step back. 
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing No. 125?
MS. SHROFF:  No.
MS. MURRAY:  Your Honor, I was just curious how old
his child is.  He said his child is a minor.  And also whether
that potential juror has a job, is employed during the day,
such that it would be consistent with our schedule.
THE COURT:  Bring back the other person.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  So you mentioned that your son was lifting
weights.  And you also said that he's a minor.  How old is he?
JUROR:  He's 17 -- 16.  He just turned 16.
THE COURT:  And at the age of 16, typically teenagers
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you're concerned?
JUROR:  He tends to get in a lot of trouble.
THE COURT:  Like what?
JUROR:  Like breaking stuff around the house.
THE COURT:  Does he have a diagnosis?
JUROR:  No, but he -- you know, he thinks like he's 21
and he could do things that grown people can do.
THE COURT:  So you're saying that he's misbehaving?
JUROR:  Well, at times.  But he's still -- he's 16,
he's still a minor.
THE COURT:  And what do you do for a living?
JUROR:  I'm director of human resources.
THE COURT:  Where?
JUROR:  At the Mosholu Montefiore Community Center.
We're located in the Bronx.  We serve 35,000 people in the
Bronx and Upper Manhattan every year, ranging from one year old
to 101 years of old.  I am responsible for approximately 1,000
staff, 225 are full-time.  I have one assistant.
THE COURT:  And in such a senior position, you'll be
paid if you're serving as a juror, right?
JUROR:  Oh, yes.
THE COURT:  Okay.  If you'll step back, please.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Okay.  I agree.  I don't believe that he
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MR. KAMARAJU:  That's fine, your Honor.  I just think
you may run into a situation where this comes up later.
THE COURT:  No.  I mean, he looks like a person who is
disinclined to serve.  And I appreciate your bringing up the
age issue.  We'll have to see.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  What number are you?
JUROR:  126.
THE COURT:  And what is your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  Your last name?
JUROR:  XXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  I have a close family member who is getting
married on June 26.  And I'm the maid of honor, so I would like
to be part of the day.
I also have -- my grandmother is coming from overseas, 
who is 96.  And she asked me if I could take some time off to 
spend with her since she's of old age. 
THE COURT:  So what day does the 26th fall on?
JUROR:  Wednesday.
THE COURT:  And where is the wedding taking place?
JUROR:  Connecticut.
THE COURT:  And what time of day?
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THE COURT:  So we stop at 2:45.
JUROR:  Okay.
THE COURT:  You can get to Connecticut in time for a 5
o'clock wedding.
JUROR:  Okay.
THE COURT:  And your grandmother, there are other
members of your household that she can be with?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Okay.  All right.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  See no reason to excuse her.
MS. SHROFF:  I think she's scared of you, to be
honest, your Honor.
THE COURT:  That's a good thing.
MS. SHROFF:  I don't know.  I think grandmothers and
being a maid of honor, to have to schlep there at 3:45, I'd let
her go.  But I leave it up to you.
THE COURT:  Do you agree she should be excused?
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.  We think she should
remain on the panel.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Let's go.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  Your number, sir?
JUROR:  127.
THE COURT:  And your name?

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JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what's the problem?
JUROR:  I have travel plans either the 7th or the 8th,
14th or 15th, I forgot which weekend.  
But also, I'm an attorney.  I had two motions on for 
this week that I kicked out once already to late June.  Judge 
is only giving me two adjournments. 
THE COURT:  Oh, we can take care of that.
JUROR:  I know.  I'm just telling you.
And then I have something on the trial calendar in 
Nassau in July, which I'm not really worried about that.  But 
it's the two motions I'm worried about. 
THE COURT:  Oh, okay.  So let's put that aside.
JUROR:  Okay.
THE COURT:  These travel plans, you're using a plane
for the travel plans?
JUROR:  I am.
THE COURT:  Okay.  And you've made those reservations,
you paid for it or no?
JUROR:  Yeah.  It's complicated.
THE COURT:  I might ask you for those for proof of
that.
JUROR:  Private.  Private.  Private.
THE COURT:  Private plane?
JUROR:  Private, yes.

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THE COURT:  Well, is it your private plane?
JUROR:  No, it's not.
THE COURT:  Okay.  But you have a definite invitation
to be on someone else's private plane?
JUROR:  Yes.  I'm not sure it's the 7th/8th,
14th/15th, one of those two weekends.  I forget off the top of
my head.
THE COURT:  And so when would you be gone, the Friday?
JUROR:  Thursday/Friday, one of those two weeks.
THE COURT:  Okay.  You can step back.
JUROR:  Okay.  Thank you.  Sorry for the confusion,
but I just forgot which weekend off the top of my head.  
Thank you. 
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  So the 7th and the 8th, I can't
remember --
MR. FINKEL:  Is he saying June or July?
MR. KAMARAJU:  I understood him to say June.
MR. FINKEL:  He said June.
MR. FERGENSON:  That's what I understood.
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing 126?
MS. SHROFF:  27.
THE COURT:  127, I'm sorry.
MS. SHROFF:  That's okay.
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private plane.
MS. SHROFF:  No objection, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No objection.
THE COURT:  All right.  127 is gone.
Next. 
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What number are you?
JUROR:  129.
THE COURT:  129.  And what is your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What is the problem?
JUROR:  I'm a sole proprietor of my business.  I'm an
art dealer.  I'm participating in an art fair beginning of
July.  We prepare for artists to come in.  I'm it for my
business.  So to be not there for seven weeks, that puts me out
of business.
THE COURT:  You're saying it would be a financial
hardship?
JUROR:  Oh, yeah.
THE COURT:  Okay.  You may step -- go ahead.
JUROR:  I already laid out money for these art fairs.
THE COURT:  Understood.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing 121?

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MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  What is your number?
JUROR:  130.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  I have flights booked and hotels for about
eight, nine days end of June.  And my children are out of
school starting second week of June and I don't have care.  I
don't have camp set up.  I am -- I have a part-time baby-sitter
that will be caring for them while I'm doing my part-time job.
And she is -- she has some significant health issues.  This
will be her last summer with us.  And so I took on the primary
role as the caregiver during their vacation.
THE COURT:  You said that your number is 130?
JUROR:  That's right.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing No. 130?
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Sir, your number?

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JUROR:  131 your Honor.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What's the problem?
JUROR:  I've been a Ph.D. student for seven years.
I'm defending my dissertation on June 6th.  If I cannot defend
on that day, then since academics are always gone over the
summer, I won't be able to defend it until December, and I will
lose my post-doctoral fellowship.
THE COURT:  And what is your subject matter?
JUROR:  Political science.
THE COURT:  Where are you studying?
JUROR:  Columbia University.
THE COURT:  All right.  Well, good luck.
JUROR:  Thank you.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  No objection to my excusing No. 131?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Your number, please?
JUROR:  132.
THE COURT:  And your name, please.
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

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THE COURT:  And your problem?
JUROR:  I plan to be out of the country next month.
THE COURT:  Where are you going?
JUROR:  Japan.
THE COURT:  And you have your tickets?
JUROR:  No, not yet.
THE COURT:  So can't you move --
JUROR:  I have family there.  My grandparents are
moving into a nursing home, so I'm going to help.  But I
haven't bought my tickets yet.
THE COURT:  So is their move a fixed date?
JUROR:  Yeah.
THE COURT:  All right.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing No. 132?
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
THE COURT:  I like to see these young people helping
their grandparents.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Your number?
JUROR:  133.
THE COURT:  And your name, please.
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

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THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  So it's kind of twofold.
One is my husband travels during the workweek weekly, 
and I become the primary caregiver for my children.  So I 
wouldn't probably be able to get here on time those days and 
would have to leave before the day is over to retrieve them 
from school.   
The other thing is I am employed, so also during the 
hours when they are in school, and I work.  I could not miss 
seven weeks of my job. 
THE COURT:  Is that because it would be a financial
hardship?
JUROR:  It would be a financial hardship, it would be
a professional hardship.  It would be multi-level.
THE COURT:  And how old are your children?
JUROR:  One is nine, one is six.
THE COURT:  And you're 133?
JUROR:  133.
THE COURT:  All right.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing her?
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
MS. SHROFF:  No.
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THE COURT:  Hi there.  What is your number?
JUROR:  134.
THE COURT:  134.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi.  What is your number?
JUROR:  135.
THE COURT:  Your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What is the problem?
JUROR:  It's not about the time period of the case,
but if it goes over, I have a wedding in July.
THE COURT:  What is the date of the wedding?
JUROR:  The 23rd.
THE COURT:  Okay.  So I am very confident that the
trial will be over well before July 23rd.
JUROR:  Okay.  And sometimes they go longer, so I just
wanted to be sure.
THE COURT:  Yeah.  No, no, this one is not going to go
that long.  Otherwise?
JUROR:  Then I'm fine.
THE COURT:  Okay, great.  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  No reason to dismiss No. 135.
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THE COURT:  Hello there.  What is your number?
JUROR:  136.
THE COURT:  And what is your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  I've been a fraud investigator for 30 years,
and I think I would strongly lean towards the prosecution.  I
don't think I could be fair.
THE COURT:  What sort of frauds do you investigate?
JUROR:  Welfare fraud.  But I work with the FBI and
other agencies on all kinds of fraud.  I'm very familiar with
wire fraud and things of that nature.  Plus I have a court
hearing June 12th on a case that I worked on which I'm not
supposed to miss.
THE COURT:  Are you saying that you're a witness in
that hearing?
JUROR:  I'm one -- I'm the supervisor of one of the
investigators.  I have to testify.
THE COURT:  All right.  You can step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing No. 136?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  Sir, what is your number?

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JUROR:  138.
THE COURT:  Go ahead.
JUROR:  I'm the executive director of a nonprofit, a
small organization.  We're short-staffed.  I do all the
financials, I do all the reporting.
The reason why I do my physical therapy in the 
morning, so that I could have the day off to be able to report 
to work.  Seven weeks is just too much. 
THE COURT:  Are you saying it would be a financial
hardship?
JUROR:  It would be a financial hardship for the
organization, not for me.  Because there would be no one there
with the authority to make certain decisions, approve budgets,
and the like.
THE COURT:  So if you got hit by a truck right now,
what would happen?  What would they do?
JUROR:  They would not have an executive director.
They would probably collapse.
THE COURT:  You don't feel that they could find
somebody to fill your role?
JUROR:  Well, the board will hire someone temporarily
to fill the role, but I'm the executive director now.
THE COURT:  Right.  I understand that you're a vital
person in this not-for-profit.
What is the name of the not-for-profit?

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JUROR:  Hispanic Aids Forum.
THE COURT:  Hispanic Aids Forum.
So someone eventually would fill in -- 
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  -- if you were gone?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  And it would not cause a calamity to have
a period of time that you were absent; in other words, you do
go on vacation, don't you?
JUROR:  I haven't in three years.  Working six days a
week.
THE COURT:  I'm trying to assess the exact consequence
of your absence.
JUROR:  Well, I am the executive director.  I
understand the operations.  There's no one else that has the
authority or the skills to handle all the pieces that I handle.
Yes, the board could bring someone else in on a 
temporary basis.  But that person doesn't know the operations.  
So it would still be a hardship on the organization. 
THE COURT:  So if you were to be impaired in some way
today or you decide to retire today or resign, the organization
would be in the same position correct?
JUROR:  I suppose so, yes, your Honor.
THE COURT:  So someone could fill in for you?
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job that person would do, I don't know.
THE COURT:  Right.  Well, maybe not as good a job as
you, but somebody else would have to take over, right?
JUROR:  Correct.
THE COURT:  All right.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Okay.  I'm not going to excuse No. 138.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi.  What number are you?
JUROR:  139.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.
JUROR:  Juror 140.
THE COURT:  Yes.  And what is your name, sir?
JUROR:  My name?
THE COURT:  Yes.
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What's the problem?
JUROR:  Situation is I'm self-employed.  I perform
real estate closing services for bank attorneys, title
insurance companies on a per diem basis.  If I don't work for
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period, my clients would develop relationships with other
closers; and at the end of that time period, I would need to
reestablish work connections.
THE COURT:  So you're saying it would be a financial
hardship?
JUROR:  That is correct.
THE COURT:  All right.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  So no objection to my dismissing No. 140?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.
JUROR:  My reasoning --
THE COURT:  One second.  You're No. 142?
JUROR:  That's correct.
THE COURT:  And your name, your full name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  Would you step a little closer.
And what is the problem? 
JUROR:  So I have two jobs right now.  I work 9 to 5
at a retail brick-and-mortar location; I also have a
videography business as well.  When business is a little bit
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to 5, we're a little bit short-staffed, so one manager is out,
that doesn't really affect the business.  Have to make people
work seven days when maybe they are not supposed to.  Again,
that's just my reasoning.  So two jobs, 9 to 5 at the
brick-and-mortar location.  I also have a video business that I
do on the side as well.
THE COURT:  So the trial would not affect the video
business; correct?
JUROR:  Yeah, that I could do on the weekend, kind of
kill two birds with one stone while I'm at the job.
It's the 9 to 5 -- 
THE COURT:  Are you saying that you do the video job
while you're at the 9 to 5?
JUROR:  Yeah, yeah.  The business is cool with that.
If it's down, no customers coming in, just in the office
killing two birds with one stone.
THE COURT:  So if you're here during the day between 9
and 2:45, then you would not be able to do your video business;
is that right?
JUROR:  I could do the video business any time.  It's
the 9 to 5 that's really the issue, just because we're
short-staffed.  I'm just explaining what I do during my 9 to 5.
THE COURT:  So what happens if you get hit by a truck
today, what happens at the 9 to 5?
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that.
THE COURT:  And what happens at that business that
you're working at 9 to 5?
JUROR:  They either close down a little bit earlier or
stretch out the employees that we have right now.
THE COURT:  So what are your tasks at that business?
JUROR:  So I take in the shipment from the -- so I
work at a travel -- it's like a luggage store.  I take in the
shipment.  Usually me and another guy that takes it in.
THE COURT:  So you're receiving boxes?
JUROR:  Yeah, yeah.
THE COURT:  You think someone else could do that in
your place?
JUROR:  Yeah.  Kind of have to work seven days.
THE COURT:  All right.  Or they could hire someone
else?
JUROR:  Yeah, sure.  That works as well.
THE COURT:  Okay.
JUROR:  Just takes some training, but, yeah.
THE COURT:  All right.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  I am not going to dismiss No. 141.
MS. SHROFF:  42.
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(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  What is your number, sir?
JUROR:  Sorry.  My number is 143.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And your problem?
JUROR:  I have a two-week trip planned to Japan
starting June 28th.
THE COURT:  Is that something of a pleasure trip?
JUROR:  Yeah, it's with my whole family, yes.
THE COURT:  And you've bought your tickets?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  All right.  Bon voyage.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  So No. 143 is dismissed.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What is your number, please?
JUROR:  146.
THE COURT:  And your name, please.
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what's the problem?
JUROR:  I am an executive assistant to a CEO of a
public company.  And so I'm just worried -- I'm sure other
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long time for me.
THE COURT:  This is a big corporation?
JUROR:  Yeah.
THE COURT:  And so you'll be paid during your jury
service; isn't that right?
JUROR:  That's correct.  In fact, like, during my
lunch I was working as well yesterday.
THE COURT:  And so what are your duties?
JUROR:  Sorry?
THE COURT:  What are your duties?
JUROR:  Oh, well, my CEO travels quite a bit; in fact,
right now he's in Europe.  So for my teams on site, I support
them, our HR team, our legal team.  Pretty much have tentacles
everywhere.
THE COURT:  What company is that?
JUROR:  ITT.
THE COURT:  And they have other employees at that
company; isn't that correct?
JUROR:  That's correct.
THE COURT:  Someone could fill in for you; isn't that
right?
JUROR:  Yes and no.  Like, for instance, yesterday I
had to send out this last-minute email I had to do during my
lunch, sit there and scramble for lunch and find WiFi, because
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technology here.  Anyway --
THE COURT:  So if you get hit by a truck today, is ITT
going to be able to find someone to serve that CEO?
JUROR:  Absolutely.  I'm always replaceable.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  I'm not going to excuse her.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What is your number?
JUROR:  148.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  I have three.  
First is that it would be a financial hardship for me, 
as I'm a consultant and I'm a gig worker. 
THE COURT:  Gig worker.  All right, ma'am.  
You can step back. 
JUROR:  I had a couple of other points.
THE COURT:  That's all right.  You say it's a
financial hardship, you may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  No. 148?
MS. MURRAY:  No objection.

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THE COURT:  No objection?  She is excused.
The defense does not object; correct? 
MR. KAMARAJU:  No objection.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  What is your number?
JUROR:  149.
THE COURT:  Your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What's the problem?
JUROR:  I am an orthopedic surgeon in the south Bronx.
And I have a schedule that's booked out four months in advance,
including surgeries.  And there's no way I could dedicate seven
weeks.
THE COURT:  What hospital are you affiliated with?
JUROR:  I'm at Bronx Care.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing No. 149?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  You are No. 150?
JUROR:  Yes.
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(Juror not present) 
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.
JUROR:  Hi.
THE COURT:  What is your number?
JUROR:  151.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  So I have limited childcare from now until the
end of the school year.  I have a ten-year-old that both myself
and my husband, we work far from home.  So if I am away for
longer than the school year, then I won't have any childcare
for her.  And also I'm a special ed. teacher, and it's the end
of the school year, so we have end-of-the-year things to do.
So that would create a problem for me for work.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
Any objection to excusing No. 151? 
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.
JUROR:  Hi.
THE COURT:  Your number?
JUROR:  152.

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THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  Last name?
JUROR:  XXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  So we're coming to the end of the school year.
I'm a teacher.  But childcare.  And I also have an
eight-year-old, severely autistic daughter.  So without being
able to take her to therapies after school, because my husband,
he's a firefighter, so his schedule is not as consistent as
mine.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing No. 152?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  What is your number?
JUROR:  153.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What's the problem?
JUROR:  So I have an issue.  So next week I'm supposed
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reschedule.  And this has been booked since February.  So I
don't -- you know, I received a summons too late to send it in
for a postponement.  So I didn't realize it was going to be
such a long process.  So I'm not sure what to do.
THE COURT:  What do you do for a living?
JUROR:  I'm a marketing consultant.
THE COURT:  And do you work for a corporation?
JUROR:  No, I'm an independent contractor.  So I
consult.  So right now I'm working with IMG, and then doing
installation out in California for Monsterpalooza convention.
THE COURT:  And what if you're not able to go to the
convention?
JUROR:  I'm part of the installation crew.  So there's
a team that works under me that I'm overseeing in terms of
installation and execution of the experience.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Okay.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing her?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
THE COURT:  Okay.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  What is your number?
JUROR:  156.

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THE COURT:  And your name, please.
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  So I work three jobs.  And if I were to be on
this for seven weeks, I would miss one exclusively because it's
just the summer.  So I would lose over 20 percent of my income
for the year.
THE COURT:  And that would be a financial hardship?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing 156?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What is your number?
JUROR:  157.
THE COURT:  And would you tell me your name and step
closer.
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What is the problem?
JUROR:  I'm a full-time student currently, and I also
work evening shifts.  So I wouldn't have mind about the
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and things going on.  So this being seven weeks and then I work
evenings a lot.
THE COURT:  And what are you studying.
JUROR:  Data analytics.
THE COURT:  Good luck to you.  You may step back.  
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing 157?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
JUROR:  158.
THE COURT:  What is your name, sir?
JUROR:  XXXXX.
THE COURT:  What is your last name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  My wife and I have been planning a trip
starting June 27th for which we pre-booked the whole trip for
nonrefundable expenses of over $11,000.
THE COURT:  Where are you going?
JUROR:  Greece.
THE COURT:  Bon voyage.
JUROR:  Thank you.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
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THE COURT:  No objection to my excusing No. 158?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU:  I'd like to go with him.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello again.
JUROR:  159.
THE COURT:  Go ahead.
JUROR:  I have a flight booked to Chicago on June
18th, returning June 25th.  My father-in-law has leukemia, so
we're getting affairs in order.  And my wife and I are going to
be in Chicago at that time.
THE COURT:  Are you saying he's terminal?
JUROR:  Yeah.
THE COURT:  I'm sorry to hear that.  
All righty.  You may step back. 
JUROR:  Okay.  Thank you.  Do I --
THE COURT:  You stay here.  You just step back.
JUROR:  Okay.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing 159?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What number are you?

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JUROR:  160.
THE COURT:  And what is your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What is your problem?
JUROR:  I am a single mom.  I'm a widow.  So I'm the
only caregiver, sole caregiver of my child, who is 12.  So
making -- so childcare for a couple of days is not a big deal.
But seven weeks will be almost impossible; commuting from
Rockland County will be almost impossible for seven weeks.  
Plus, I work in this field, I know seven weeks might 
even be a little longer, depending on -- plus I have a prepaid 
vacation over July 4th, we leave on the 2nd and come back on 
the 5th -- on the 5th, 6th, 7th.  So I can't get that 
rescheduled.  It's prepaid. 
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.  I'm so sorry.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing No. 160?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  What is your number?
JUROR:  162.
THE COURT:  And what is your name?
JUROR:  My name is XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

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THE COURT:  And what's the problem?
JUROR:  Not sure if this qualifies as extreme
hardship, but I have an 87-year-old mother.  She lives alone in
Queens.  I am her sole means of care.  She has another child
who lives in New Hampshire, largely disregards her.
She has an array of health issues.  In the last two 
years I receive phone calls all the time.  I have to usually 
rush out to Queens.   
I live in Manhattan.  I'm an attorney downtown, but I 
have a very flexible work arrangement.  I'm able to field calls 
from her at all hours to help her and assist.   
A seven-plus-week trial where I don't have the ability 
to have a phone at my disposal during the day will be 
problematic in terms of my being able to help her when I need 
to.  I think on the other end, she knowing that she can't get a 
hold of me during the day when she needs to get a hold of me is 
going to be very, very difficult for her as well.  So I'm 
nervous about that. 
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  162?
MS. SHROFF:  Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT:  All right.  Any objection to my excusing
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MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What is your number, sir?
JUROR:  163.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What is the problem?
JUROR:  So I'm fortunate enough where my employer
funds up to 30 days of jury duty.  That being said, they don't
fund seven weeks.  So for three weeks, if I'm chosen to be a
juror on this case, I have no source of income.  And like
everyone around here, I'm sure we all have expenses and
whatnot.  So for three weeks, $60 isn't going to cut my life
essentially.
THE COURT:  It would be a financial hardship?
JUROR:  For the three weeks after the four weeks, yes,
it would be.
THE COURT:  All right.  You can step back.
(Juror not present) 
MS. MURRAY:  Your Honor, if I may just ask, is it 30
business days?  Because if so, that will cover six weeks of
trial.
THE COURT:  Didn't occur to me.
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gentleman. 
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  Is that 30 business days?
JUROR:  Yes, 30 business days.  So up to -- yeah, 30
business days.
THE COURT:  So that is --
JUROR:  That's four weeks and, like, two days,
essentially.
THE COURT:  No, that's six weeks.
JUROR:  30 -- I'm not sure if it's 30 business days.
I would have to -- I'd have to follow up.  I don't have a phone
so -- it's on the company website.  I don't have a phone to
look that up.  I can double-check with you.  But there's no way
for me to validate that info.
THE COURT:  So during the lunch break you can look at
your phone?
JUROR:  Yes.  And then I can communicate that to all
of you after my lunch break, yeah.
THE COURT:  All righty.  So I'll be looking forward to
hearing from you.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  What is your number?
JUROR:  164.

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THE COURT:  And your name please?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what's the problem?
JUROR:  I have two little kids, a three and a
five-year-old, and they are in daycare part-time.  So on the
days that I am not working or the days that my husband is
working, we share responsibility of pick-up and drop-off.  And
there's also the daycare follows the school calendar, and
there's a period of about two and a half weeks at the end of
this month when they are not in daycare until summer camp,
starts July 8th.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thanks.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  She's 164.
MS. SHROFF:  Yes, yes, your Honor.
THE COURT:  No objection to my excusing her, right?
MS. SHROFF:  No.
MS. MURRAY:  Correct, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.
JUROR:  165.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
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THE COURT:  Your number, please?
JUROR:  167.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You can step back.
(Juror not present) 
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  Your number?
JUROR:  168.
THE COURT:  And your name please?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what's the problem?
JUROR:  I'm a cardiologist at Mt. Sinai, and I see
about 75 patients a week.  I also direct a training program.
And this happens to be the transition between graduation and
incoming fellows in the summer.  So there's a lot of clinical
activity, but also administrative activity that I would be
missing out on.  It would be very disruptive to the whole
cardiology department.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing 168?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi.  What is your number?
JUROR:  169.

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THE COURT:  Okay.  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  I have a trip that was already planned end of
June/early July.  We already bought tickets.
THE COURT:  Where are you going?
JUROR:  Europe.
THE COURT:  Bon voyage.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  No objection to my excusing 169?
MS. MURRAY:  No objection.
MS. SHROFF:  No.  Thank you.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What is your number?
JUROR:  170.
THE COURT:  All right.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi.
JUROR:  171.
THE COURT:  And you may step back.
(Juror not present) 
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THE COURT:  Hi.  What is your number?
JUROR:  172.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What's the problem?
JUROR:  Well, I have a seven-year-old that -- recently
my baby-sitter, she had a baby.  And I'm the one putting him in
the bus stop.  He missed school yesterday.
THE COURT:  So you're saying you have nobody else to
take him to the bus stop?
JUROR:  As of right now, yes, because she just -- my
baby-sitter had a baby and it was a c-section.  She was the one
that was taking care of my son, put him on the bus for me.  I
have a problem with my job also coming late.
THE COURT:  What do you do?
JUROR:  I'm a receptionist.
THE COURT:  Okay.
JUROR:  And that I enter to --
THE COURT:  Okay.  If you are on jury duty, will they
pay you for the time you are on jury duty?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  They would.  They would.
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  And if you were to get sick today and you
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JUROR:  That, emergencies -- I'm getting separated
from my husband as of right now.  And he's also responsible for
him.  And when something like emergency, hopefully he will be
able to be there for his son.
THE COURT:  But you're saying he's irresponsible?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  No?
JUROR:  No, but not like if it's an emergency, he will
say yes, because it's an emergency; I'm in the hospital.
THE COURT:  Right.
JUROR:  But as coming every day here, he says, No, you
find your way, which I'm trying to find a baby-sitter as of
right now.  Just recently, just happened, the baby is like a
week.
THE COURT:  Okay.  You may step back.
(Juror not present)   
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing her?
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
THE COURT:  What was her number?
MS. SHROFF:  172.
THE COURT:  Okay.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi.
JUROR:  My number is 173.

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THE COURT:  Yes.  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  So the problem is I work, and also my husband
has a kidney transplant, he's a transplant.  So he works from
home.  And I have a child.  So seven weeks, if there is any
emergency, I just have to run home.  I mean, he's okay, it's --
everything is fine.  He had the kidney transplant done in 2016,
so he's fine.  But he goes for regular checkup infusion, this,
that, monthly infusion, so that is there.
THE COURT:  So does he normally take care of your
child?
JUROR:  No, no, he works from home and my daughter
goes to school.  But, you know, if there is any school
emergency or my husband's emergency, then it's -- I have to do
it because I don't have any family around, right.
THE COURT:  And where do you live?
JUROR:  Nanuet, New York, Rockland County.
THE COURT:  Okay.  You can step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Is there any objection to my excusing her?
MS. MURRAY:  I don't see a basis, your Honor, for
excusing her for cause.
THE COURT:  All right.  Let's bring her back.  We'll
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(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  I want to understand your schedule.
Do you work? 
JUROR:  Yes, I do.  I work in a pharmaceutical
company; I'm a scientist.  So I work in Tarrytown.
THE COURT:  And so if you're serving as a juror, you
will still be paid; is that correct?
JUROR:  Oh, yes, yeah.  I think so, yeah.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Now, your daughter, how old did you
say?
JUROR:  She is -- she just turned ten.
THE COURT:  Okay.  And does she take the bus to
school?
JUROR:  Yeah, she takes the bus to school.
THE COURT:  She goes to the bus stop?
JUROR:  No, no, no.  We usually take her to the bus
stop.  And also --
THE COURT:  Who takes her?
JUROR:  Either -- most of the time it's me, because I
drop her or take the bus and then I go back to work.  Because I
have to also reach work.  I'm in research.
THE COURT:  So your husband then could take her?
JUROR:  My husband can take her.  I mean, of course he
works from home, he can definitely take her.  But my work
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THE COURT:  And then at the end of the day?
JUROR:  So after the school is over, right now he's
in -- she's in grade four, so she goes to school aftercare.
THE COURT:  Yes.
JUROR:  So she can stay there till 6 o'clock.  But
from here to Rockland County, like yesterday it took me almost
6:40 I reached home.
THE COURT:  Is there a bus after --
JUROR:  After school care, no, there's no bus.
THE COURT:  So someone has to pick her up by car?
JUROR:  Yes.  From school aftercare there is no bus.
THE COURT:  And so your husband can pick her up by
car?
JUROR:  Oh, yeah, he can do that.  He can definitely
do that.  But it's just the emergency.  If there is seven
weeks, that's why I'm just like a little concerned.
THE COURT:  So you realize that we are only meeting
between 9:30 and 2:45?
JUROR:  Okay.
THE COURT:  And so that does give you time.
JUROR:  To go back.
THE COURT:  To get home, yes?
All righty.  You may step back. 
JUROR:  Thank you.
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THE COURT:  All right.  You had a good instinct there.
And what number was she? 
MS. SHROFF:  173.
THE COURT:  173.  Okay.
MS. SHROFF:  Should she have an emergency, though, the
government shouldn't ask to replace her.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi, sir.  Your number?
JUROR:  174.
THE COURT:  And your name, please.
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what's the problem?
JUROR:  It would just -- I mean, work-wise it would
just create a backlog.  We have a new director starting at the
museum next month.
THE COURT:  What museum?
JUROR:  The Guggenheim.
THE COURT:  And what is your role there?
JUROR:  I lead the marketing department.
THE COURT:  Okay.  If you were hit by a truck today,
would the Guggenheim be able to find somebody to substitute for
you?
JUROR:  Of course.
THE COURT:  Okay.
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THE COURT:  Yes.  So anyone who serves as a juror who
has a job often has their work back up, and most of us have
jobs.  So you would be in the same position as most ordinary
citizens.
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Except that you'd be getting paid.
JUROR:  Sure.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Many people don't get paid for jury
duty.
JUROR:  Fair enough.  Yes.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What is your number?
JUROR:  175.
THE COURT:  And your name, please.
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What is the problem?
JUROR:  Well, seven weeks would be financially hard
for me because I have like some private chef work that I have
booked for it, like I work as a chef.
THE COURT:  And so if you had to be in court, you
would not get paid?
JUROR:  I wouldn't get paid for those jobs that I have
booked for the month of -- the end of this month, in June.

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It's a busy month for me.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Anybody object to my excusing 175?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  What is your number?
JUROR:  176.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what's the problem?
JUROR:  I am a primary caregiver for my
three-month-old grandson.
THE COURT:  And what would happen, God forbid, if
you --
JUROR:  I have no idea what they are going to do.
They don't have -- maternity leave ends next week.  She goes
back Tuesday, and I'm on.
THE COURT:  What about a baby-sitter?
JUROR:  They don't have a full-time baby-sitter.  They
don't have the money to pay for full-time care, to work
full-time.
THE COURT:  I'm sorry.  I did not understand what you
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JUROR:  For seven weeks, I don't think they could.
They don't have a baby-sitter.  They're new parents who don't
want to leave their three-month-old infant with anybody.
THE COURT:  All right.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Okay.  I'm waiting to hear your positions.
MS. SHROFF:  I don't know.  I mean, I never had a
three-month-old, so I can't comment; but I would let her go,
but I'm easy.
MS. MURRAY:  We have no objection to excusing that
juror.
THE COURT:  All righty.  No. 176 is excused.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  What is your number?
JUROR:  177.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  I have a trip, a cruise and a flight, leaving
June 4th and coming back not until June 17th.
THE COURT:  And you've already paid for that?
JUROR:  Completely paid for.  I have the documentation
here if you need to see it.
THE COURT:  All righty.  Well, have a good time.

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JUROR:  Okay.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
JUROR:  Okay.  Do I leave or --
THE COURT:  No, you stay.
JUROR:  Okay.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  No. 177, any objection to my excusing her?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present)  
THE COURT:  Hi.  What is your number?
JUROR:  178.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What is the problem?
JUROR:  First, my job will not cover seven weeks of
jury duty.
Secondly, I have several appointments over the next 
seven weeks you said the trial was going to be.  And also I 
have some broadway tickets also coming up in about two weeks. 
THE COURT:  What kind of tickets?
JUROR:  Broadway show tickets.
THE COURT:  So if your job is not paying you, would
that be a financial hardship for you?
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THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing No. 178?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  What is your number?
JUROR:  179.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi.  What is your number?
JUROR:  180.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  I work at Condé Nast — my work ID is right
here if you want to see it.  And I oversee the media company,
the global travel business vertical.  I travel very regularly
professionally.  I have teams all around the world.  And I have
an upcoming important conference in the middle of the seven
weeks in Cannes for the Cannes Lion Creativity Festival, where
I'm required to be in Cannes on June 17th to the 20th.
THE COURT:  What would happen if you got hit by a
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JUROR:  I guess something very terrible.  And I would
be -- you know, depending if I was fatally wounded or not, but
it would be an extreme hardship for the length of this trial.
THE COURT:  In other words, Condé Nast would be able
to find somebody to fill your shoes; isn't that right?
JUROR:  Not for -- not for this conference.  I'm the
most senior stakeholder attending for my business vertical.
THE COURT:  So the next most senior person could
attend, right?
JUROR:  Currently that spot's open on my team.  I
really don't have proper coverage.  I'm not saying I couldn't
do it.  The question was would it be an extreme hardship
anyway.
THE COURT:  I'm not thinking about the hardship for
Condé Nast.
JUROR:  For me personally it would be a professional
hardship.  And also, additionally, I can't remember if you said
June 28th was a day that the court -- you said a bunch of days
it's not in service.  Professionally, that's the day that my
ten-year-old is graduating middle school -- sorry, elementary
school, fifth grade.  That might be a day you said we're off.
THE COURT:  That is one of the days off, yes.
JUROR:  Great.
THE COURT:  So you would be paid by Condé Nast if you
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JUROR:  Honestly, I haven't -- I believe so.
That's -- I believe I would.  I haven't fully inquired.  It's
the first time ever I've been called for jury duty.
THE COURT:  I'd like you to make an inquiry during the
lunch hour.
JUROR:  Sure.
(Juror not present) 
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  What number was she?
MS. SHROFF:  180.
THE COURT:  Sir, what is your number?
JUROR:  181.
THE COURT:  And your name, please.
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What's the problem?
JUROR:  Three.
First of all, there's a Jewish holiday coming up in 
two weeks, I think it is, Shavuot. 
THE COURT:  And what date is that?
JUROR:  If I had my cell phone calendar, I could tell
you.
THE COURT:  And does that mean that you need to be
absent that day?
JUROR:  Yes, I have to be in synagogue both days.
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THE COURT:  Two-day holiday, you would have to be
gone?
JUROR:  Right.
THE COURT:  And then?
JUROR:  And then if I had my phone, I could give you
precise dates for this also.
THE COURT:  I'll figure out the dates.
JUROR:  No, it's something else.
We have two grandchildren who are graduating from a 
school in Baltimore.  And I think -- I think it's next week or 
the week after, I can't remember which.   
And then the third is I'm 74 years old, so I think I 
read somewhere in while we're waiting that if you're above 70, 
you can be exempted.  Am I -- do I have that wrong? 
THE COURT:  So I have had people in their 90s serve.
JUROR:  I'm sure you have, but --
THE COURT:  I don't know of that particular rule, but
I'll look into it.
JUROR:  Please.  Thank you.
THE COURT:  Yes.
JUROR:  But those other two are regardless.
THE COURT:  What about the graduation date, do you
know when that is?
JUROR:  I can tell you the names of the schools.  And
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THE COURT:  Go ahead.  What school?
JUROR:  One school is called Beth Tefiloh.
THE COURT:  Okay.
JUROR:  In Baltimore.
THE COURT:  Yup.
JUROR:  And the other is Krieger Schechter Jewish
State School or Day School.
THE COURT:  All righty.  So you may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Do we know when Shavuot is?
THE LAW CLERK:  Tuesday through Thursday, the 11th of
June.
THE COURT:  Three days.
THE LAW CLERK:  Starts the evening on June 11.
THE COURT:  Wednesday and Thursday?
THE LAW CLERK:  Yeah.
THE COURT:  Okay.  What is your position?  That
holiday is a Wednesday and a Thursday; so it would mean that we
would have to miss court on those days if he were chosen.
MS. SHROFF:  I say we keep him and we take Wednesday
and Thursday off.
MS. MURRAY:  Your Honor, we would say he should be
excused for cause.
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over 70, does anybody?
MS. SHROFF:  You have to apply for the exemption.  So
he didn't apply.  If he applied for the exemption, he wouldn't
have to come at all.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Is there any objection to my
excusing him?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
THE COURT:  All right.  So 181 is excused.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  What is your number?
JUROR:  So I am 182.
THE COURT:  182.  And your name?
JUROR:  It's XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
So I have a trip with my wife scheduled for June 2nd, 
for that week, to London.  I also have on June 12th my son's 
graduation from high school -- not high school, from -- yeah, 
from high school, senior in high school.   
And but in addition to those, I just thought I wanted 
to bring to your attention, I know it's not the question, but I 
have a very active white-collar criminal defense practice.  I'm 
the chair and founder of the practice at a large law firm.  So 
I have a number of cases currently against Southern District.  
And the practice as a whole has a whole bunch of cases that I 
sometimes consult on.  So it's just -- but, you know, it just 
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THE COURT:  Where do you work?
JUROR:  At Goodwin Procter.
THE COURT:  You can step back.
JUROR:  Sure.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing No. 182?
MR. KAMARAJU:  No.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  What number are you?
JUROR:  183.
THE COURT:  Your name, please.
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What is the problem?
JUROR:  So I'm the only working -- I have a family,
right.  My husband is disabled.  And I'm the only caretaker and
the mother of my daughter.  So was able to take my kids to
school and take care of them, whether they're at school or out
of school.  I'm the only one who takes care of them because
he's physically disabled.
THE COURT:  How old are your children?
JUROR:  13 and 8.
THE COURT:  All right.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
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MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present)  
THE COURT:  Hello.  What is your number?
JUROR:  184.
THE COURT:  And your name, please.
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What's the problem?
JUROR:  I own and operate a horse farm in northern
Westchester.
THE COURT:  Where?
JUROR:  In Katonah, New York.  And I own it with my
brother and operate it with him.
You mentioned would anyone have a hardship.  In 
January, my brother received a kidney transplant and is 
recovering.  And I am under tremendous pressure to keep the 
business going and manage it as the face of the business while 
he's recovering.   
I have 100 horses at the farm, 50 employees and 
clients and owners of the horses, that it's very important that 
the level of care and confidence be maintained, which I am 
basically doing double duty.  So for me to be away from the 
business in a two-month stint would be devastating to what I 
do.  I am doing double duty as it is. 
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JUROR:  Yes.  I mean, it's important for me to be
there.  I have 51 employees, many of them are highly managed
because it's all about care.  And I administer medication to
horses, I am managing rehab of horses, travel to competitions
with horses.  
It wasn't easy for me to come here today to do a 
one-day commitment.  I postponed my jury duty three times 
because of these types of commitments.   
My brother is recovering.  So he goes two days a week 
to Columbia to have his blood drawn, monitoring his 
anti-rejection medications.  So it's important, you know, that 
I am there watching what we do, managing what we do.   
And I'm already dealing with a pivotal moment in my 
working life and career.  You know, I'm working harder than I 
ever have and watching every single thing we do to keep it 
together.  So it would be -- it would be devastating for me to 
be away from it. 
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing No. 184?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  Your Honor, he did say that he has 51
employees.  Even when you inquired of his financial hardship,
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that.  It sounded like it would be more of an inconvenience for
him just as a general person with a job.  With our schedule and
the occasional days and weekends that we have off, it does seem
other employees would be able to fill in.
THE COURT:  All right.  If you would ask him to come
back.
So we'll just take the next individual.  We'll just 
ask for him to come back. 
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  What is your number?
JUROR:  185.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  I already have trips booked for the end of
June and July.
THE COURT:  Where are you going?
JUROR:  I'm going to Maine in June and I'm going to
Antigua in July.
THE COURT:  And you have plane tickets?
JUROR:  I don't have them on me.
THE COURT:  No, I'm saying did you buy your plane
tickets?
JUROR:  Yes.  Yeah.
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(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing No. 185?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What is your number?
JUROR:  188.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What is the problem?
JUROR:  My job.  I'm a case manager and I have a
specific case order of clients that work with me directly.  And
I'm -- in my job, I'm the only one that facilitate them to
legal services as well.  They're homeless clients.
THE COURT:  Do you work for an agency?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  What agency?
JUROR:  Breaking Ground.
THE COURT:  And what is your title?
JUROR:  Case manager.
THE COURT:  Are you a social worker?
JUROR:  Affiliated with it.
THE COURT:  So if you serve jury duty, do you get paid
by the agency?
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THE COURT:  So if, God forbid, you were hit by a truck
today, someone else at the agency would take over your
caseload, right?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  What?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Okay.  So it may be an inconvenience for
your employer, but it's not an impossibility to cover you
essentially, right?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Okay.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What is your number?
JUROR:  189.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What's the problem?
JUROR:  The time length, the seven week.  I have a
holiday, religious holiday, during that time.  And I wanted to
also let you know, like, Fridays, because of the Sabbath, 5
o'clock is a little bit late for where I have to drive to
because I live in Rockland County, with traffic and everything.
THE COURT:  So we're going to stop at 2:45.
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wasn't sure.
THE COURT:  Well, let's assume that we can stop early
tomorrow.  What time would you need to leave here?
JUROR:  Like 3:30-ish, 4.
THE COURT:  Okay.  So let's assume that we're able to
accommodate that.  Then we have the holiday.  Do you know what
the dates are for the holiday?
JUROR:  I don't really know offhand.  I think it's in
like two weeks.
THE COURT:  Are you thinking about Shavuot?
JUROR:  Yeah.
THE COURT:  Okay.  I believe --
JUROR:  Or it's two and a half.  I don't have the
phone with me to look to get --
THE COURT:  So I believe that that would mean that you
would have to be absent a Tuesday and a Wednesday?
JUROR:  Yeah, I think so.  It's in the middle of the
week.
THE COURT:  Okay.  So if you were able to have those
two days off, knowing that you're going to be able to leave
here at 2:45, then otherwise you'd be able to serve?
JUROR:  I think so.  I just started a business, but
whatever I'm saying, I understand that there's a jury and stuff
like that, so --
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JUROR:  Like I'm understanding, but I did happen -- I
did just happen to start.
THE COURT:  What kind of business?
JUROR:  A handyman business.
THE COURT:  Okay.  So when did you start it?
JUROR:  Like two weeks ago.
THE COURT:  Okay.  And so I assume that you're -- is
it you're looking for clients now?
JUROR:  Yeah, I'm getting calls, stuff like that.
THE COURT:  Okay.  So if you are out for seven weeks,
is that going to be a financial hardship for you?
JUROR:  A little bit, yeah, I think, because I'm
getting my name out there.  If I don't answer the phones
anymore, like, a little bit, yeah.
THE COURT:  Do you have to pay rent or are you living
somewhere where you don't have to pay rent?
JUROR:  No, I'm paying rent.
THE COURT:  You are paying rent.  Okay.  So would you
be able to pay rent without this handyman job?
JUROR:  Yeah, I would be able to swing it.  It
wouldn't be easy, but I would be able to.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Would you be able to pay for food
and your other basic necessities?
JUROR:  Yeah, I'd be able to make do.
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Okay.  All righty.  So you can -- 
JUROR:  Not convenient, but I would be able to make
do.
THE COURT:  I understand.
JUROR:  Like everyone.
THE COURT:  It's maybe an annoyance or an
inconvenience, but you would be able to manage somehow.
JUROR:  Yeah.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Please step back.
JUROR:  Thank you very much.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  All right.  So the question is whether or
not we take out -- we take off the two days for Shavuot.
MS. MURRAY:  We would propose to keep him for now,
your Honor.  We can see what happens.  And I guess the question
would be whether that would change the opinion of Juror 181.
MS. SHROFF:  Your Honor, it can't be that we'll see
how this goes, right.  Either we excuse him for cause, because
we shouldn't have to exercise a peremptory without deciding
whether or not we're going to sit on those two days.
THE COURT:  So I am obligated to afford him the
opportunity to sit.
MS. SHROFF:  Right.
THE COURT:  If he has a religious obligation, the
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since you are -- since -- what is the date?
THE LAW CLERK:  The 12th and 13th.
THE COURT:  Of June.  It's the 12th and 13th of June.
You have a plan for what would happen on those dates, 
and I'd need to know whether we can make that reasonable 
accommodation. 
MS. MURRAY:  Can we have a moment, your Honor.
(Counsel conferred) 
MS. MURRAY:  Your Honor, we propose to keep him for
now.  We understand Ms. Shroff's objection.  We might strike
him at a later point.
THE COURT:  Of course you cannot strike him though for
religious reasons.
MS. MURRAY:  No, no, no, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU:  Can I just ask, because I think didn't
we let another juror go for cause for the same reason?
THE COURT:  No, no, no, no.  Remember he had other
issues.
MS. MURRAY:  Grandkids graduating.
THE COURT:  I would never dismiss a person for cause
because of their religious obligations.
MR. KAMARAJU:  I understand.
THE COURT:  He had two graduations and there was the
issue of his elderly status.
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Thank you, your Honor. 
MS. SHROFF:  Your Honor, just so we're clear, we're
happy to have the juror stay within the pool, right.
THE COURT:  Yes.
MS. SHROFF:  But if he's in the pool, there's going to
be no argument about him not having those two days off.  We
just want to make sure the government is clear that they don't
come back and then say ask the man to accommodate and not get
him his religious services.
MS. MURRAY:  Absolutely not, Ms. Shroff.  If he's on
the jury --
THE COURT:  If they come back to me and say that they
have spent already thousands of dollars, government dollars, in
order to fly in certain witnesses, that is something that I
would consider.
MS. SHROFF:  Then I think, your Honor, most
respectfully, maybe we can ask the juror.  Because I'm pretty
sure that he would be observant of those two holidays and want
those days off.
THE COURT:  Yes.  What I'm saying is that I would
afford him the opportunity to be off for those two days.
However, if the prosecution comes back to me and says the
government will have expended $15,000 in flights for witnesses,
then I have to make an assessment as to whether it is
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MS. SHROFF:  That's what we would object to, your
Honor.  I think he has a right to have a religious
accommodation, number one; and number two, your Honor, the
government is right here.  They can figure out what they're
doing on the 12th and the 13th now before they do that to the
juror.
THE COURT:  I'm going to allow them some time to
assess the situation.
MS. SHROFF:  Right.  Maybe they can tell us by 2
o'clock before we have to pay --
THE COURT:  Or by the end of the day.  
MS. SHROFF:  Thank you, your Honor.
THE COURT:  All righty.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Sir, your number again?
JUROR:  184.
THE COURT:  Okay.  So I'm sorry to hear about your
brother's condition and I understand that he is only working
limited hours.
JUROR:  Correct.
THE COURT:  And you're having to work overtime because
of his condition.
JUROR:  Correct.
THE COURT:  So what would happen now if you were
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hospital for the next two months, what would happen to your
business?
JUROR:  It would be severely impacted.
THE COURT:  How so?
JUROR:  It would deteriorate.  I would lose clients.
I would lose revenue.  It would be -- it would fall apart.
THE COURT:  So are you principally boarding the
horses?
JUROR:  Yes, boarding, training, and most of the
horses there are client-owned.
THE COURT:  All right.  So my sense is that there
isn't a tremendous amount of facilities like your own in the
immediate area.  There may be others, but there's not a whole
lot of them; am I correct?
JUROR:  There are, for sure, other places to go.  And
the clients could afford to do it wherever they want to do it.
It's about confidence.  So they -- so I would lose 
that confidence.  And I would lose that -- I made written 
application twice trying to be excluded from jury duty, and I 
never heard back on either of those, explaining my situation, 
explaining the circumstances.  My brother has a very rare 
kidney disease. 
THE COURT:  I understand that, sir.  But what I'm
trying to assess -- I understand that you have a fear that you
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JUROR:  In a significant way.  In a very significant
way.
THE COURT:  How significantly?
JUROR:  It would devastate -- like, you know, if I
lose a number of clients, I would lose the revenue.  I'd have
to lay people off.  It would fall apart.  I'm trying to get
through this period of his recovery time.  Like you said, he's
come back in a limited, let's say, light duty, and he is the
face of the business with me.  And I am trying to, like, get
the business up in this period of time.
THE COURT:  So what percentage of revenue do you think
that you would lose if you were serving as a juror for seven
weeks?
JUROR:  I could lose as much as 50 percent.  People.
THE COURT:  You're saying that people --
JUROR:  They see --
THE COURT:  -- who have been your --
JUROR:  Clients.
THE COURT:  -- loyal clients would just simply turn
their backs on you and find some other business to take care of
their horses?
JUROR:  Yeah.  I mean, my brother had the transplant.
We kept it quiet until, like, a week before.  Because when a
client wants something, I was afraid they would send you
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whole pressure of that, like, keeping it together.  I mean, I'm
literally sweating here thinking that, like, I cannot do this
for two months.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  So I do have familiarity with his
clientele.  And my sense is that they expect a great deal of
service and attention.  And although I am not an expert in the
field, I do think that it's quite conceivable that he could
lose substantial business.  And so I think that he has stated a
legitimate reason for being excused.
MS. MURRAY:  We agree, your Honor.  We defer to the
Court.
THE COURT:  All right.  He was one --
MS. SHROFF:  84.
THE COURT:  184 is excused.
MS. SHROFF:  Thank you, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Sir, what is your number?
JUROR:  191.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What's the problem?
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I'm an engineer here in the city working for a large firm.
Many projects, many people working under me, very tight
deadlines.
THE COURT:  What type of engineering?
JUROR:  Environmental engineering.  I'm a geologist.
THE COURT:  And what would happen if you were hit by a
truck today?
JUROR:  Well, then it wouldn't be my responsibility
anymore.  But, you know --
THE COURT:  Yes.
JUROR:  So I don't know, I mean --
THE COURT:  So would they be able to find another
engineer?
JUROR:  I'm sure they would hire another engineer,
yes.  But they wouldn't be able to step right into my shoes and
do the job.
THE COURT:  They'd have to have a certain amount of
time to rev up?
JUROR:  Right.  And the problem is, with tight
deadlines, that's where the main issue comes in.
THE COURT:  So if you serve as a juror, are you going
to be paid by your firm?
JUROR:  So up to two weeks I know.  I don't know up to
seven weeks.  I was never contemplated -- or I never
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THE COURT:  You can find out during the break, the
lunch break?
JUROR:  Oh, I can try.  Sure.
THE COURT:  Okay.  That's what I'd like you to do.
JUROR:  Okay.
(Juror not present) 
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Sir, what is your number?
JUROR:  192.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  Is XXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what's the problem?
JUROR:  I'm a single father to a ten-year old who will
be finishing school June 18th.  Tomorrow is a half a day.  I
don't have coverage in the mornings.  I am responsible for the
mornings.  My daughter is dropped off, I go to work.  There is
a caregiver in the evenings, but I do everything as a single
father.
I am a widower.  And I had served jury in this -- 
Colleen McMahon's courtroom in the past.  I understand jury 
duty.  I respect the process.  But, unfortunately, in this time 
I ask that I am excused based on my availability I don't have. 
THE COURT:  Where do you live?
JUROR:  In Manhattan.
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JUROR:  I do the morning routine.  I do the breakfast,
dress, and off to school drop-off.  I don't know how to get a
sitter to show up at 7:30 in the morning to make that process
take place.
THE COURT:  What do you do for a living?
JUROR:  I work in finance.  I'm a financial adviser.
THE COURT:  And you're aware that there are
baby-sitting agencies?
JUROR:  Which I have engaged.  I have a caregiver who
does my evenings.  She does pickups from school and then leaves
8 o'clock, essentially.  I have a daily caregiver for the
after-school session.  I do the morning sessions.
THE COURT:  And so when is it that your daughter
leaves the house?
JUROR:  She drops off by 8 a.m.  She gets to school at
8 a.m.
THE COURT:  Okay.  And where do you live in Manhattan?
JUROR:  73rd and Third.
THE COURT:  Okay.  So that gives you plenty of time to
get here by 9:30.
JUROR:  Okay.
THE COURT:  Very well.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
MS. SHROFF:  You are one tough cookie.  I would have
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(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.
JUROR:  How are you?
THE COURT:  Fine.  And you?
JUROR:  Fine, thanks.
THE COURT:  Your number?
JUROR:  193.
THE COURT:  Okay.  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  I'm going to be in Denver, Colorado next week
for my grandmother's funeral.
THE COURT:  I'm so sorry to hear that.
All righty.  I understand.  You may step back. 
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  What is the number?
MS. SHROFF:  193.
THE COURT:  Okay.  All right.  She is excused.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  So, sir, your number?
JUROR:  194.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And -- excuse me?

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JUROR:  I'm just a little nervous.
THE COURT:  All righty.  What is the problem?
JUROR:  It takes me over two hours to get here and two
hours to get home, and just something that I cannot do.  It's
just too much for me.
On top of that, being in a high-rise in Lower 
Manhattan is really freaking me out.  I can't stand being here.  
I can't stand looking out the windows.  My anxiety level is 
beyond.  If this is where the trial is going to be, I don't 
think I can do it. 
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing him?
MS. SHROFF:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Juror present) 
MS. SHROFF:  Your Honor, I have to be before Judge
Cote at 1.
THE COURT:  Understood.  Thanks.  
What is your number? 
JUROR:  180.  I just -- I'm still going to check with
my employer about that question about compensation at the
break.  But I gave the wrong date accidentally for my
daughter's graduation.  It's the 25th, June 25th.  Actually,
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to 10:30 in the morning, but it's Tuesday, June 25th.
THE COURT:  All right.  All righty.  You may step
back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  All right.  We're going to stop for now
and we will continue after the lunch break at 2 o'clock.
MS. SHROFF:  Thank you, your Honor.
(In open court) 
THE COURT:  All righty.
Everyone, please return to your seats.   
We are done with our work for the morning, but we 
still have more to go.  The night is young.   
So I'll need you to return very, very promptly at 2 
o'clock.  So you'll be in the hallway at 2 o'clock.  Not coming 
into the building, not the elevator, but in the hallway right 
out there ready to walk in at 2 o'clock sharp.  If you're late, 
it really makes it quite difficult for us to do our own work.  
So many people are involved.  So be prompt.   
I want you to not discuss this matter amongst 
yourselves.  Don't let anyone talk to you about the case.  
You're not to talk with anybody else about the case.   
Also, the lawyers are not permitted to have any 
contact with you.  So if you see them in the hallway, in the 
elevator, on the street, and they don't greet you, they don't 
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may not have any contact whatsoever with you.   
Have a good lunch.   
(Venire not present) 
THE COURT:  All right.  Time for lunch.
Have a good lunch. 
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AFTERNOON SESSION 
2:02 p.m. 
THE COURT:  All right.  I'm going to rule on some of
the outstanding motions.
I received the government's letter motion dated
May 21, 2024, and the defendant's response dated May 23rd.  ECF
Nos. 344 and 349.  And the government first moves to
preliminarily admit certain statements made by alleged
co-conspirators, Qidong Xia and David Dai, under exceptions to
the hearsay rule.  The government intends to call two people
whom I will identify as Victim-1 and Victim-2 to testify about
statements.  These statements include: (1) instructions by Xia
telling Victim-1 where to wire funds to make purported
investments in GTV stock, as well as Xia denying Victim-1 a
refund on this investment; (2) statements by Dai instructing
Victim-2 how to open certain bank accounts and where to wire
the funds in those bank accounts; and (3) the statement by Xia
to Victim-2 regarding the appointment of the new leader of the
London Farm.
As I previously ruled in my May 2nd order, consistent
with the Second Circuit's Geaney protocol, I may admit
co-conspirator statements on a conditional basis, subject to
the later submission of the necessary evidence to establish
that the co-conspirator exception is applicable.  The
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particularity and is therefore granted.
As with the co-conspirator statements I conditionally
admitted in my May 2nd order when I partially granted
government motion 1, I will make the required Geaney findings
outside the presence of the jury at the close of the
government's case, and, if necessary, give an appropriate
limiting instruction.
Second, the government moves to preclude evidence
regarding the March 15, 2023, fire at Mr. Guo's apartment at
the Sherry-Netherland Hotel.  The defense does not intend to
introduce such evidence.  Accordingly, the government's motion
is denied as moot.
Third, the government moves to preclude Mr. Guo from
introducing any evidence of the potential immigration
consequences of his conviction.  Mr. Guo again states that he
does not intend to introduce such evidence.  Accordingly, the
government's motion is denied as moot.
We're waiting for the members of the panel to finish
gathering.
(Jury venire present) 
(At the sidebar, juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  What is your number?
JUROR:  195.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXX.

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THE COURT:  And what's the problem?
JUROR:  Well, it takes me about two and a half hours
to get here from like the northernmost part of Putnam County.
I'm also a home care physical therapist, so to be out of work
for seven weeks would be a bit much.
THE COURT:  In what regard?
JUROR:  Just as far as my patients and, you know, for
the agency.
THE COURT:  Would you get paid for those seven weeks?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  So aside from the commute, if you were
struck by a car, someone would——
JUROR:  You asked for extreme circumstances, so I
guess my circumstances aren't terribly extreme, but this
process does intimidate me a little bit as well, so——
THE COURT:  But you can handle it, right?
JUROR:  Yeah, well, I don't know.
THE COURT:  What do you mean you don't know?
JUROR:  I've never gone through it.  I've never sat on
a jury before, so——
THE COURT:  Are there any things you know so far that
would impair your ability to sit?
JUROR:  Not really.
THE COURT:  All right.  You may step back.  Thank you.
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(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  What number are you?
JUROR:  196.
THE COURT:  196.  Yes.  You were going to come back
with some information for us.
JUROR:  Regarding my——I can't afford to lose, like,
another month of paycheck because we are paid by——per diem——I
mean, by flight time, 'cause I'm a flight attendant.
THE COURT:  Yes.
JUROR:  And say, for example, my schedule is like
three trips in a row; I only get like paid, like, you know, the
flight time and I lose the per diem.  And on top of that, I
just came back from an injury.  I lost two months of work.  And
I'm trying to make up for those lost income, and actually, I
just borrowed some money from my 401(k) just to stay, you know,
afloat, yeah.
THE COURT:  So you're saying it would be a financial
hardship?
JUROR:  Correct, correct.
THE COURT:  All right.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my excusing 196?
MR. KAMARAJU:  No, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
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(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What is your number?
JUROR:  197.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what's the problem?
JUROR:  I work in a private school, in the technology
department, and June is our clutch cargo month of the whole
year.  It's more busy than it is at the beginning of the year
because we have to collect all the devices, we have to take the
rooms apart so that the maintenance can repaint, reoutfit with
new technology.  On top of that, my own daughter is graduating
this year, so I have some ceremonies to go to for that as well.
THE COURT:  Is she graduating from that school?
JUROR:  No, from another high school, a public school.
THE COURT:  Do you know what the dates are?
JUROR:  Her graduation is I believe the 29th.
THE COURT:  Of?
JUROR:  Of June.  And the beginning is the private
school's graduation that I'm working, as well as other
ceremonies, moving up ceremonies.
THE COURT:  So if you were hit by a truck today, would
the private school be able to find somebody to do your job?
JUROR:  Sure.  They'd have to figure that out, yeah.
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attend your daughter's graduation on the 29th of June,
otherwise, you'd be able to serve; is that correct?
JUROR:  Yeah, I guess, technically.
THE COURT:  Okay.  All righty.  You may step back.
JUROR:  All right.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  I'm not going to excuse him.
MS. MURRAY:  Your Honor, I would just note the 29th is
a Saturday.
THE COURT:  Oh.
MS. SHROFF:  June 28th?
MS. MURRAY:  He graduates on the 29th.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  What's your number?
JUROR:  198.
THE COURT:  198.  And your name?  
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  What's your last name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what's the problem?
JUROR:  So my son has a few weeks left in school and
he has special medical needs.  He has Type I diabetes like
myself, so when his school ends, he will be at home with us.
And I say this, "us," because my wife is also in jury duty
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a three-week case, we would be able to be fine.  Anything
longer than that, if we were both here, then we would not be
able to take care of him.  
THE COURT:  And do you have any sitters that you can
use?
JUROR:  I mean, typically we do, but it's when we have
devices on us to be able to communicate with the sitter,
because I usually track his blood sugar on my phone, which I
cannot today.  I have my own, tracking my own.  So it would be
difficult to be able to coordinate care in that situation.
THE COURT:  All right.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Is there any objection to my excusing
Juror No. 198?
MR. KAMARAJU:  Not from us, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  What's your number?
JUROR:  201.
THE COURT:  Okay.  You can step back.
JUROR:  That's it?
THE COURT:  That's it.
(Juror not present) 
(Next juror present)

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THE COURT:  Hi.
JUROR:  Hi.  180.
THE COURT:  You were going to check about——
JUROR:  I did.  I did.  I tried very hard in the 40,
50 minutes I was off, not to be late.  I didn't get through to
anyone.  And I called, I emailed, I Slacked.  I didn't——I
didn't get the answer to that question.  I'm under the
assumption that I——my employment would not be in jeopardy.  It
just would be a really, really, really bad time based on the
conference that I told you about and my work should be getting
back online.
THE COURT:  Understood.  All righty.
(Juror not present) 
MS. SHROFF:  Your Honor, does somebody have the date
of her son's graduation?  25th?
MS. MURRAY:  It was 25th in the morning.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  What is your number, sir?
JUROR:  163.
THE COURT:  And your name again?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And you were looking up something for us.
JUROR:  Yeah.  So I was able to confirm that it's 30
business days, but that still leaves one week where I don't
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day.  I would have to ask my employer if I could potentially
get an extension on getting more jury duty days, but as of
right now, it's 30 business days confirmed.
THE COURT:  Okay.  I'd like you to contact your
employer——
JUROR:  Okay.
THE COURT:  ——and make that inquiry.
JUROR:  Okay.  I'll send them an email tonight and
then I'm assuming tomorrow I'll call up with an update or
whatever.
THE COURT:  I'd like you to do that sooner, but I'm
going to think about it.
JUROR:  Oh, okay.  Do you still need me or——
THE COURT:  I don't, no.
JUROR:  Okay.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  So we can see where we stand at the end of
the day.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  What number are you?
JUROR:  191.
THE COURT:  191.  Go ahead.  You were going to make an
inquiry for us.
JUROR:  I wasn't able to find out.  So I don't have my
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so the people I called didn't know.  I can find out by 5:00
tonight, after 5, when I leave here, but I just——I wasn't able
to find out.
THE COURT:  All right.  We'll be in touch.
JUROR:  All right.  Cool.  Thanks.
(Juror not present) 
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  Your number?
JUROR:  113.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is the problem?
JUROR:  I just learned during the break that my
company will not cover my salary during the extent of the case
if I were to be chosen as a juror, and I cannot afford not to
have that income.  I'm a single family——single-income family of
five.  I'm responsible for mortgage and three children in a
private school.  And I just wouldn't be able to meet my
responsibilities if I weren't going to get my salary on a
regular basis.
THE COURT:  Okay.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Is there any objection to my excusing
No. 113?
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MS. MURRAY:  Your Honor, I'm just curious what company
he works for that doesn't pay for jury duty.
THE COURT:  All right.  Well, we'll get him back after
we hear from this juror.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi again.  Hi there.  What was the date of
the graduation you have to attend?
JUROR:  June 25th, Tuesday.
THE COURT:  Okay.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  What number was she?  180.  She is 180.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi, sir.  Who is your employer?
JUROR:  Culinary Group.
THE COURT:  What is that?
JUROR:  Dining services.
THE COURT:  Dining services.  All right.  You may step
back.
(Juror not present) 
MS. MURRAY:  No objection, your Honor.
THE COURT:  That's it?
(In open court) 
THE COURT:  Do any of you have any personal knowledge
of the charges in this case?
Please step up.

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(At the sidebar; juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi.  What is your number?  101?
JUROR:  Correct.
THE COURT:  You can step back.
(Juror not present) 
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  What is your number?
JUROR:  133.
THE COURT:  And what is the issue?
JUROR:  Well, personal knowledge, not like about the
specifics, all that, but I work in PR.  I read the news
religiously all day, every day, in particular investigative
reporters that I work with, so I have read a lot of press.  I
read The New York Times cover to cover every day, and I know
that just a month ago, one of the investigative reporters that
we read whatever they write, wrote a very big, long article, so
I understand the details of the case in a way that maybe——
THE COURT:  So you're 133.
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Okay.  You can step back.
(Juror not present) 
MS. MURRAY:  Your Honor, would it make sense for the
attorneys to stay here?
THE COURT:  That's fine if you want to.
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efficient.
THE COURT:  Yes.
MS. MURRAY:  Thank you.
(In open court) 
THE COURT:  Is there anything about the nature of the
charges that would prevent you from being a fair and impartial
juror?
(At the sidebar; juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi.  You're No. 101?
JUROR:  103.
THE COURT:  103?  You may step back.
(Juror not present)  
(Next juror present) 
JUROR:  123.
THE COURT:  You're 123?
JUROR:  Yeah.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
(Next juror present) 
JUROR:  133.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  What number are you?
JUROR:  144.

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THE COURT:  Did you say 144?
JUROR:  144.
THE COURT:  144.  And what is your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what did you want to tell me?
JUROR:  I've personally invested in lifestyle branding
in——within the cryptocurrency space, and I——I never got my
money back.
THE COURT:  Are you saying that you invested in an
entity associated with the defendant here, Mr. Guo?
JUROR:  No, not his, one of his companies, although I
do know of G Coin and some of his subsidiaries.
THE COURT:  So would that prevent you from being a
fair and impartial juror?
JUROR:  Yeah.
THE COURT:  Why?
JUROR:  Because I've——I felt like I was robbed of my
money.
THE COURT:  So you don't——you had no direct dealings
with any of Mr. Guo's entities; is that correct?
JUROR:  No.  Correct.
THE COURT:  So can you put aside your negative
experience that you had in dealing with another entity and come
into the courtroom with an open mind and listen to the witness
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impartial juror?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  All righty.  Then step back, sir.
(Juror not present) 
MR. KAMARAJU:  We're going to register an objection
that he should be excused for cause, your Honor.
THE COURT:  All right.  I think that he was
rehabilitated.
MR. KAMARAJU:  I think his original answer was that he
felt that he had been defrauded by cryptocurrency and that he
had outside knowledge of the case and was familiar with G Coins
already.
MS. SHROFF:  He said he was robbed, not even
defrauded.  He said he was robbed, and your Honor——
THE COURT:  Let's bring him back.
MS. SHROFF:  Also, it's very hard to say no to a
judge.
THE COURT:  It's all right.  I'm only 4 foot 11½.
MS. SHROFF:  So am I.  And we're both ferocious.
(Juror present again) 
THE COURT:  So you mentioned that you had some
familiarity with entities related to Mr. Guo; is that right?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  That familiarity, would that prevent you
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JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  All right.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  What is the number?
ALL COUNSEL:  144.
THE COURT:  All right.  So he is dismissed for cause.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  What is your number?
JUROR:  129.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
JUROR:  I may step back?  Oh.
(Juror not present) 
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  What is your number?  134?  All righty.
You may step back.
JUROR:  Oh, okay.
(Juror not present) 
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi.  Your number?
JUROR:  134.  Or 143.  Sorry.
THE COURT:  Okay.  You can step back.
JUROR:  Like this?  Oh.
(Juror not present)  
(Next juror present) 
JUROR:  162.

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THE COURT:  You may step back.
JUROR:  Okay.  Go back?
(Juror not present) 
(Next juror present) 
JUROR:  165.
THE COURT:  You may go back.
(Juror not present) 
(Next juror present) 
JUROR:  Hi.
THE COURT:  Your number?
JUROR:  176.
THE COURT:  You may go back.
JUROR:  Go back?  You don't want me here?
THE COURT:  You can go back.
(Juror not present) 
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Your number again?
JUROR:  184.
THE COURT:  You may go back.
(Juror not present) 
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Your number?
JUROR:  185.
THE COURT:  You may go back.
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(In open court) 
THE COURT:  The government is represented here by the
United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York,
Damian Williams.  This trial will be in the immediate charge of
Assistant United States Attorneys Micah Fergenson, Ryan Finkel,
Justin Horton, and Juliana Murray.  They will be assisted by
paralegals Michael Gartland, Isabelle Loftus, and Geoffrey
Mearns.
Please stand and face the jurors.
The defendant in the case is Miles Guo.
Mr. Guo, please stand and face the jurors.
Mr. Guo is represented by his attorneys Sidhardha
Kamaraju and Sabrina Shroff, Matthew Barkan and E. Scott
Schirick.  Mr. Kamaraju and Mr. Barkan are with the law firm of
Pryor Cashman LLP, and Mr. Schirick is with the law firm of
Alston & Bird.  Do any of you know Mr. Guo or any of the
individuals that I have just identified?
Have any of you, your family members, or close friends
had any personal or business dealings, directly or indirectly,
with any of these individuals, including the defendant?
Have any of you, or your relatives or close friends,
had any association or business dealings with any member of the
staff of Pryor Cashman LLP or Alston & Bird?
What is your number?
JUROR:  127.

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THE COURT:  And your dealings?
JUROR:  They were adversaries on cases, and I know
people at the law firm.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Thank you.
JUROR:  Juror 144.  I've worked with an attorney at
Pryor Cashman as a client.
THE COURT:  Okay.
JUROR:  Likewise.  Oh, Juror 182.  Likewise.  I know
lawyers at both Pryor Cashman and Alston & Bird.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Anybody else?
I'm now going to read the names of potential witnesses
in this case as well as other individuals whose names may be
mentioned during the trial:  
Aaron Mitchell.  Adalberto Cattabriga.  Alex Soltani.
Alex Hadjicharalambous.  Alexandra Gale.  Amin Shams.  Amy
Buck.  Ana Izquierdo.  Andrew Zitman.  Anthony Alecci.  Anthony
Dibatista.  Anthony Martinez.  Ava Chan.  Baorong Liu.  Bin
Guo.  BJ Pendergast.  Bo Collins.  Bruce Frederick.  Chelsea
Grady.  Chingwa Wang.  Do any of you know any of these
individuals or have any of your family members or close friends
had dealings, directly or indirectly, with those individuals?
I'm now going to read another list of names:  
Christina Schatz.  Christine Frosini.  Christine Li.
Courtney Benitez.  Crystal Wang.  Damon Lope.  Daniel
Podhaskie.  Darren Blanton.  Darren Loos.  David Lasky.  Defeng

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Cao, also known as Wayne.  Doaa Dashoush.  Ehsan Haque.  Ehsan
Mahsud.  Elaine Dellapia.  Erica Buonocore.  Erin McNamara.
Fay Fay.  Gabriela Luciano.  Do any of you know or have any of
your family members or close friends had any dealings, directly
or indirectly, with those people?
JUROR:  Juror 144.  I don't know if it's any relation,
but Christina Li.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Thank you.
Do any of you know or have you had direct dealings
with the following people:  
Giacomo Mattioli; Gladys Chow; Haidong Hao; Haitham
Khaled; Haley Richins; Haoran He; Hongfei Guo; Isabelle
Despins; Jamie Wilson; Jammy Tam; Janie Du; Jason Miller; Jenny
Li; Jeremy Tempkin; Jesse Brown; Jessica Mastrogiovanni;
Jessica Volchko; Jian Peng; and Jianhu Yi?  Anyone?
JUROR:  Juror 169.  The name's probably kind of
common, but Jason Miller is a counterparty at a vendor.
THE COURT:  You said you were 169?  Okay.  Thank you.
Anyone else?
JUROR:  182.  Jeremy Tempkin is a close friend of
mine.
THE COURT:  Thank you.
All right.  I'm going to read some more names:  
Jieyu Bian.  John Morgan.  Joseph Hugdahl.  Juliana
Lister.  Justine Atwood.  Karin Maistrello.  Katherine Miles.

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Katrina Laperuta.  Kelly Noh.  Kevin Ma.  Kin Min (William) Je.
Kit Addleman.  Kyle Bass.  Lan You.  Le Zhou.  Lee Chu.
Limarie Reyes Molinaris.  Lin Chao.  Lonny Soza.  Louie
Bonsoukan.
Anyone?
JUROR:  Juror 141.  Kyle Bass is a client of my firm,
a large broker-dealer.
THE COURT:  Anybody else?
JUROR:  Juror 169.  A co-worker, Kevin Ma.
THE COURT:  Juror 141, would you step up, please.
(At the sidebar) 
THE COURT:  So I thought you folks were going to
remain here.
MR. FERGENSON:  Then when you introduced us, we wanted
to be at the table.
THE COURT:  Oh, that's a good idea.  Very good.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  All righty.  Sir, you're number 141?
JUROR:  141.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what is your relationship with Kyle
Bass?
JUROR:  So I work in prime brokerage, and we finance
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lend them money to make investments, and I talk to his staff,
and I've talked to him probably a few times but usually just
his staff.  He's covered all my team.  So the guy who sits
right beside me covers Hayman, and I back him up a lot.
THE COURT:  Do you have any strong feelings about him?
JUROR:  No, not particularly.  I know he's got
feelings about China, and I've seen him on CNBC all the time,
but my interaction is pretty limited with him.  It's more with
his——Hayman Capital.
THE COURT:  Do you have any feelings about Hayman
Capital?
JUROR:  Not particularly.  It's just one of our hedge
fund clients.
THE COURT:  If I were to tell you that he would be a
witness in this case, would you be able to judge his testimony
in the same way that you would judge anyone else's testimony?
JUROR:  I think so.
THE COURT:  What do you mean you think so?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Would you feel that you had to see him
favorably, more favorably than another witness because of your
business relationship with him?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Would you have a bias against him?
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THE COURT:  All right.  You can step back, for a
moment.  You'll just step back to where this young lady is
standing.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  What do you want me to ask?
MR. KAMARAJU:  Just if the fact that the case involves
allegations regarding an investment at Hayman, whether that
would affect his ability to be impartial at all.
MS. SHROFF:  Also, your Honor, I think that he should
be told that Mr. Bass is a cooperating witness for the
government.
MR. FINKEL:  Whoa.
MS. SHROFF:  Please don't interrupt me.  I'm speaking.
You're free to talk after me.
The government is going to call Kyle Bass as its
witness.  He would literally have to return a verdict——he would
have to feel confident that he could return a verdict and not
have a problem telling Kyle Bass or anyone who works for Kyle
Bass that, I sided with the other side.  So that would be an
issue, right?  Kyle Bass is going to testify.  He manages Kyle
Bass's fund.  Part of his income depends on what Kyle Bass and
Kyle Bass's fund does.  So somebody would actually have to have
the strength to return a verdict against that entity for whom
they work.  I mean, you'd have to have——
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MS. SHROFF:  Yes.  That's why he should be excused for
cause, without a doubt.
MR. FINKEL:  No objection.
MR. KAMARAJU:  That's our view.
THE COURT:  All righty.  I'm going to dismiss him for
cause.
MR. FINKEL:  Just for the record, Kyle Bass is not a
cooperating witness.
THE COURT:  Okay.  That's it.
(In open court) 
THE COURT:  Going through another list of names:  
Lu Zhu.  Luc Despins.  Madeleine Despins.  Maggie
Sklar.  Maggie Murphy.  Marios Mamzeris.  Mark Williams.
Marvin James Sawyer.  Matt Smith.  Matteo Gandini.  Matthew
Pottinger.  Max Krasner.  Mei Guo.  Melissa Baccari.  Melissa
Francis.  Melissa Mendez.  Meng Tong Zang.  Minran Wu.  Na
Zhou.  Nicholas DiMarino.
Anyone familiar with those individuals or have any
relatives or close friends who have dealings with those
individuals?
Nickie Lum Davis.  Nicole Torres.  Nicole Tsai.  Nina
Peng.  Olivia Sebade.  Paolo Sozzi.  Patrick Chin.  Patrick
York.  Paul Doran.  Paul Hinton.  Prakazrel Michel.  Priya
Patel.  Qiang Guo, also known as Mileson.  Qidong Xia, also
known as "Long Island David."  Rachel Campbell.  Rachel

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Cartwright.  Ray Dragon.  Robert Stout.  Robin Mokhtar.  Ross
Heinemeyer.
Anybody know those individuals or have relatives or
close friends who have dealings with those individuals?
I continue:  Ruizheng An, also known as Ryan and
"Crab."  Russell Stockil.  Ryan Sears.  Sam Roberts.  Sara Wei.
Scott Barnett.  Shamel Medrano.  Simon Je.  Sophia Chen.
Steele Schottenheimer.  Steve Bannon.  Steve Weber.  Tedroy
Wilson.  Tom Bishop.  Tom O'Leary.  Una Wilkinson.  Victor
Cerda.  William Kumpf.  Xiaobo He.  Xiaoke Min.
Do any of you know those individuals or have relatives
or close friends who have dealings with them?
More names:  Ya Li.  Yanping (Yvette) Wang.  Yanping
Liu.  Yi Shing Lee.  YinYang Wang, also known as Aila.
Yongbing Zhang.  Zachary Effting.  Zhaoying Ye.  And Zhengqiao
Du.
Anyone know these individuals or have relatives or
close friends who have dealings with those people?
The witnesses in this case may include one or more of
what is known as an accomplice or cooperating witness, a person
who has admitted to participating in crimes related to the
indictment, as well as other crimes.  Is there anything about
the fact that cooperating witnesses may testify in this case
that would prevent you from being a fair and impartial juror?
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businesses or entities that may be mentioned during the trial:  
ACA Capital.  Armanino.  Bank of Princeton.  Bitgo,
Brioni.  Dallas Lamborghini.  Eastern Profit.  Ferrari Beverly
Hills.  Freedom Media Ventures.  G Bank.  G Coins.  G Clubs.  G
Fashion.  G Mall.  G Media.  G Music.  G News.  Gettr.  Golden
Spring.  Greenwich Land.
Do you or family members or close friends have
dealings with these entities?
Okay.  What is your number?
JUROR:  (106)  It's Giter, G-I-T-E-R?
THE COURT:  No.  G-E-T-T-R.  So you don't have any
relationship to that?  Okay.  I'm going to go forward with——oh.
JUROR:  Juror 144.  Bitgo.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Thank you.
I want to go through some other names of entities.
GTV.  H Coin.  Hamilton Investment.  Hayman Capital.
HCHK Property Management.  HCHK Technologies.  Himalaya
Exchange.  Himalaya Farm Alliance.  HR Owen.  Hudson Diamond.
Jovial Century.  Jumio.  Maywind.  MBaer Bank.  Mercantile
Bank.  Mountains of Spices.  New Federal State of China.
NexBank.  OSC/Orbit Service Company.
If you have already spoken to me at the sidebar about
any of these entities, you need not answer now.  So anybody
know these entities or have family members or close friends who
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I'm going to go further down the list.
Passione Rossa.  Phaxis.  Post Oak Motors.
Promemoria.  RH Southeby's, spelled S-O-U-T-H-E-B-Y apostrophe
S.  Rule of Law Foundation.  Rule of Law Society.  Strategic
Vision.  Taurus Management.  Voice of Guo.  Voice of Good.
Anyone know these entities or have family members or
close friends who have dealt with them?
JUROR:  Can you please confirm that you said
Sotheby's?
THE COURT:  Well, this is not spelled the same way as
Sotheby's.  Sotheby's does not have a U.  This is called RH and
S-O-U-T-H-E-B-Y apostrophe S.  My understanding is that
Sotheby's does not have a U.  If anybody wants to correct me,
that would be fine.
Yes.  Okay.  So——
JUROR:  Okay.  It's the other Sotheby's.  Never mind.
THE COURT:  Okay.  All righty.  I'm going to continue
with another list.  And this is a list of locations where
events in this case took place.
188 East 64th Street in Manhattan.
19 Houhai Beiyan, Xicheng District, Beijing, People's
Republic of China.
20 South Bay Road, Repulse Bay, Hong Kong.
3 Columbus Circle, New York, New York.
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The Crocker Mansion, 675 Ramapo Valley Road, Mahwah,
New Jersey.
Pangu 7 Star Hotel, Beijing, Chaoyang, Beijing,
People's Republic of China.
Sherry-Netherland, 781 Fifth Avenue, Apartment 1801,
in Manhattan.
Are any of you familiar with these locations?
Your number?
JUROR:  108.  My father works at the Sherry-Netherland
Hotel.
THE COURT:  Okay.  What is his job there?
JUROR:  He's a houseman.
THE COURT:  And has your father brought up anything
having to do with this case?
JUROR:  Not to my knowledge, no.
THE COURT:  All right.  Counsel, would you approach,
please.
(At the sidebar)  
THE COURT:  Are there any further questions you would
like me to ask?
MR. KAMARAJU:  I think it would be helpful to know the
period of her father's employment.
THE COURT:  Let's assume that he was employed during
the time in question.  Anything further?
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whether she heard from her father about the fire.
MR. FINKEL:  The fire is not going to be evidence.
THE COURT:  The fire is not coming in.
MS. SHROFF:  I understand.  I was more interested in
hearing about whether or not her father had ever expressed any
views of the tenants at Sherry-Netherland, you know, that's
all, because it could——one could be left with a bias if
somebody, you know, like the other gentleman who came forward
and said——
THE COURT:  He doesn't like rich people.
MR. KAMARAJU:  Or she may not know him by the name
Miles Guo.
MR. FINKEL:  Your Honor, if I may, maybe just the
question, have you heard anything from him about the defendant,
Miles Guo, and if the answer is no——
MS. SHROFF:  That doesn't cover the bias.
MR. KAMARAJU:  She may not know him by the name Miles
Guo.  Her father may have said, like, there's a rich Chinese
tenant——
THE COURT:  Was he a tenant or did he own that?
MR. KAMARAJU:  Well, his family owned it.
MS. MURRAY:  It's a hotel and it's a condominium
complex.
THE COURT:  So it's not a rental.
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THE COURT:  All right.  Let's have her come up.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  You're No. 108.
JUROR:  That's correct.
THE COURT:  Has your father made comments to you about
the people who live at the hotel, rather, the condominium
section of the hotel?
JUROR:  Yes, I'm aware of certain tenants that occupy
the building, or rather own floors in the building, now that
that is something that is allowed.
THE COURT:  Has he mentioned Miles Guo?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Has he mentioned a Mr. Kwok?
JUROR:  Correct, yes, he has.
THE COURT:  And what has he said?
JUROR:  That he tried to burn the floor down, if I may
be so frank.
THE COURT:  Okay.  All right then.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Sure.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Okay.  Well, I think she needs to be
dismissed for cause.
MS. SHROFF:  Thank you, your Honor.
MR. KAMARAJU:  Thank you, your Honor.
THE COURT:  Okay.

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(In open court) 
THE COURT:  Anyone else?
JUROR:  Juror 199.  3 Columbus Circle.
THE COURT:  I'm sorry.  There you are.  And what is
your relationship to that location?
JUROR:  I worked at that building.
THE COURT:  In what capacity?
JUROR:  My company had an office there.
THE COURT:  And during what period of time?
JUROR:  2020-2023.
THE COURT:  2020-2023?
(At the sidebar) 
THE COURT:  What is the defendant's relationship to
that location?
MS. MURRAY:  So the defendant moved the operations of
various entities from the townhouse on the Upper East Side to 3
Columbus Circle.  They operated on two different floors.  It
would be family offices, Gettr, HCHK, a number of the other
entities named as members of the conspiracy.  It's a very large
conference building right off the Time Warner.  We'd be
interested to know what company she works for and whether she
had any dealings with any of those floors or any of those
entities.
THE COURT:  What floors are those?
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THE COURT:  Okay.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  What is your number?
JUROR:  199.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what floor was your company on?
JUROR:  5.
THE COURT:  On 5.  And did you have any dealings with
the companies on floors 20 and 22?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Were you familiar with any of the names of
the entities, companies that I mentioned in the long list?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
MS. SHROFF:  That's fine.
THE COURT:  Yeah, I don't see any reason to dismiss
her.
(In open court) 
THE COURT:  Do any of you know or have any of you or a
member of your family or close friends had any association or
business dealings with any member of the staff of the United
States Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York,
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Exchange Commission, or the SEC, or the Department of Homeland
Security?
For those of you who have already informed me of
relationships with any of those governmental entities, you need
not tell me again.
JUROR:  Juror 203.  This pertains to the previous
question.  I just——I work at 1 Columbus Circle, and I know of
that area.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Thank you.
JUROR:  151.  My cousin's husband works for the FBI.
THE COURT:  I'm sorry.  You're 151 and your——
JUROR:  And my cousin's husband works for the FBI.
THE COURT:  Your cousin's husband works for the FBI.
Are you close to your cousin?
JUROR:  Pretty much, yeah.
THE COURT:  Are you close to her husband?
JUROR:  Somewhat.  Not as close as I am to her.
THE COURT:  All right.  Thank you for letting me know.
JUROR:  No problem.
THE COURT:  Remember, if you've already answered the
question, please don't answer again.
Go ahead.
JUROR:  162.  I work for the Securities and Exchange
Commission.  I put that on the form, but I'm not sure whether
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THE COURT:  Okay.  Thank you.
JUROR:  Juror 141.  A good friend of mine used to run
the——he was the head prosecutor for the U.S. Southern District
of New York.
THE COURT:  All right.  Who's next?
JUROR:  Hi.  I am currently the coordinator for——160.
I'm currently the coordinator for County of Rockland, and I
have tried several District——US District Court cases, civil
cases, with the U.S. Attorney's Office.
THE COURT:  Thank you.
Anyone else?
JUROR:  127.  My brother was an enforcement attorney
at the SEC.
THE COURT:  Thank you.
Anyone else?
JUROR:  194.  My daughter worked for Homeland
Security.
THE COURT:  Did you say 134?
JUROR:  194.
THE COURT:  194.  Okay.  Thank you.
Anyone else?
JUROR:  154.  My boyfriend works for Homeland
Security.
MS. SHROFF:  I'm sorry.  I didn't hear that.
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Homeland Security.
Thanks for telling me.  
JUROR:  108.  I work for the Department of Homeland
Security.
THE COURT:  All right.  Thank you.
Have you or a family member——I'm sorry?  Oh, one more?
JUROR:  149.  Former relationship with a special
agent.
THE COURT:  All righty.  Thank you.
Have you or a family member or close friend ever been
employed by any federal, state, or local law enforcement agency
or the justice system?  Only answer to the extent that you have
not answered that question already.
What number are you?
JUROR:  125.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Go ahead.
JUROR:  May I approach instead of——
THE COURT:  Yes, you may.
(At the sidebar; juror present) 
THE COURT:  Your number again?
JUROR:  125.
THE COURT:  Go ahead.
JUROR:  Yeah.  I apologize if I missed the opportunity
on a form, 'cause this goes to this area.  My dad's a retired
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THE COURT:  And where did he work?
JUROR:  Bronx.  He was a New York State Supreme Court
justice.
THE COURT:  What's his name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  Yes.  Absolutely.
Is there anything about your father's career or his
work that would prevent you from being a fair and impartial
juror?
JUROR:  I believe I'm kind of biased toward justice,
that if something gets to the point of trial, it's——takes a lot
of work and effort to get there, so I'm——and I've been told by
friends that I tend to be biased, you know, towards the side
of——
THE COURT:  In what regard?
JUROR:  ——justice.
THE COURT:  Yes.  I think we all like justice.  But
you're saying you're biased in favor of one party here or the
other?
JUROR:  No particular party, but just in general, my
tendency is to err on the side——like, if somebody got to the
point of trial, they most likely are guilty.
THE COURT:  You're saying that if someone's been
accused of a crime, you think they are guilty, most likely.
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friends have told me.
THE COURT:  And so you have a bias against the
defendant in that case then.
JUROR:  I may—— that may——may be, you know, conscious,
subconscious, but that's what I——what I've been told.
THE COURT:  Okay.  All righty.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Oh, if I may, I also have several family
members that work in the court system.  If that has any impact.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Okay.
MS. SHROFF:  I guess it's if the barbells didn't do
it, I guess——
THE COURT:  This is 125?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Who else?
(Next juror present) 
JUROR:  My son is NYPD.  He's a cop.
THE COURT:  Thank you very much.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
(Next juror present) 
JUROR:  138.
THE COURT:  Go ahead.
JUROR:  My niece is an FBI agent.
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would prevent you from being a fair and impartial juror in this
case?
JUROR:  We don't discuss her work.
THE COURT:  So if we have people who work for the FBI
as witnesses, can you judge their testimony in the same way
that you would judge any other person's testimony?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  And do you think that you would believe
that it's more likely that they would tell the truth?
JUROR:  I would hear what they have to say and make a
judgment based on what they say.
THE COURT:  All right.  So you don't feel that you
have a bias in favor——
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  ——of law enforcement.
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Do you have a bias against law
enforcement?
JUROR:  Not at all.
THE COURT:  Okay, then.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  That's it?
(In open court) 
THE COURT:  Have you or a family member, either
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any legal action or dispute with the United States or with any
of the offices, departments, agencies, or employees of the
United States, or had any interest in any such legal action or
dispute or its outcome?
JUROR:  Juror 179.  I have a bit of a situation with
the Department of Social Services in Rockland County.
THE COURT:  All righty.  Thank you.
Anyone else?
JUROR:  Juror 189.  I had a, in Rockland
County——what's it called——I got a fine for doing some handiwork
without a license.  Construction.
THE COURT:  So how was that resolved?
JUROR:  I just paid a fine.
THE COURT:  Do you know what agency that was that you
were dealing with?
JUROR:  Rockland County.
THE COURT:  In other words, was it the Department of
Buildings?
JUROR:  Buildings.
THE COURT:  And did you feel that they treated you
fairly?
JUROR:  Yeah, I guess so.  I don't know——I don't know
the procedures really, so I think so.  I'm not sure.  Yeah, I
guess so.  I'm here today.
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with the government, we might feel that we're not being treated
fairly, and so that's what I'm trying to get at.  Do you feel
that you were treated fairly?
JUROR:  I think so, yeah.
THE COURT:  Would that experience that you had with
them cause you to have a bias in favor of the government in
this case?
JUROR:  I don't——I'm not sure.  I don't know.
Probably.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Anybody else?
Your number again, sir?
JUROR:  189.
THE COURT:  189.
Does anyone have any bias, prejudice, or other strong
feelings for or against the United States Department of
Justice, United States Attorney's Office, or any law
enforcement agency?
Your number, sir?
JUROR:  179.
THE COURT:  Go ahead.
JUROR:  I just believe justice is a fallacy.
THE COURT:  All right.  Anybody else?
JUROR:  Juror 159.  My sister-in-law is a public
defender so that's impacted my view of the justice system.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Go ahead.  Anybody else?

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Have any of you read, heard, or seen anything in the
newspapers or on the internet or on TV about this case?
And I'm only asking about those who have not already
answered this question.
I'd like you to step up, please.
(At the sidebar; juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  What is your number?
JUROR:  127.
THE COURT:  Okay.  You may step back.
JUROR:  I'm sorry?
THE COURT:  You may step back.
JUROR:  Okay, thanks.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi.  What's your number?
JUROR:  121.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi.  What's your number?
JUROR:  129.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  What's your number?
JUROR:  143.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
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THE COURT:  Your number?
JUROR:  151.
THE COURT:  151?  You may step back.
JUROR:  Okay.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Your number, sir?
JUROR:  159.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Your number?
JUROR:  166.
THE COURT:  Okay.  And so what is it that you'd like
to tell me?
JUROR:  Oh, I first became aware of the defendant——I
first became aware of the defendant when actually Steve Bannon
was arrested.  I think he was on his boat.  And then I've just
kind of been following that and seeing that this was coming to
trial.
THE COURT:  So it's normal that you would read the
newspaper or——
JUROR:  Sure.
THE COURT:  ——listen to the TV, and this has gotten
media attention, and so the question becomes then, can you put
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with an open mind, hear the witness testimony, look at the
evidence, the documentary evidence, and follow my instructions
on the law and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR:  I would say yes normally, but the tie of Steve
Bannon just for me, and then that further tie onto the former
president, I feel like any strong connections like that
make——I'm very distrustful of those individuals, so I don't
know that I could be impartial.
THE COURT:  So everyone comes to this courtroom with
biases.  I have biases.  But I have to put them aside in order
to——
JUROR:  I will do my best.
THE COURT:  Well, I need to know more than that.  I
want to know whether, being aware of the biases that you
already expressed, can you come in, put the biases aside, and
listen to what the witnesses have to say, read the documents
that are put into evidence, follow my instructions on the law,
and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Okay.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  What number was that?
MS. SHROFF:  166.
THE COURT:  She was rehabilitated.
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why she should be excused for cause.
THE COURT:  Go right ahead.
MS. SHROFF:  And I think partially we just want to
make sure that the Court is aware, because I think there is
some degree of concern on our part that because the Court
doesn't have before it exactly the evidence the government is
going to introduce about Mr. Bannon, we'd like the Court to
just note, this is one of the government's exhibits.  It's
going to be testified to in the summary chart.  And it is not
just Steve Bannon and Mr. Guo and their relationship.  They're
in a relationship where they jointly announce a million
dollars' worth of a transaction, and we have a person who has
now said that she did not know "if I can be impartial," she
could normally but she would not because, two reasons——the tie
to Steve Bannon and the former president.  I know the Court
said that everybody has a bias and then she had a long shrug
and then she said she would try.  So I think that——
THE COURT:  So what question would you like me to put
to her?
MS. SHROFF:  I think the question at the very least
that should be put to her is, if she heard testimony that Steve
Bannon and Miles Guo were in a joint venture and Mr. Bannon and
Mr. Guo shared a personal friendship, would she still be able
to evaluate Steve Bannon-related testimony fairly, would that
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here's the concern we've had——and I think we were planning to
raise this down the road with Nos. 11 and 15——that it's not a
business relationship.  It's not simply a business
relationship.  Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have a business
relationship.  There's also a trust, a sort of like——it's much
more; it's almost like a partnership, right?  The two of them
are walking in tandem.  Kamala Harris is never going to say
anything negative about Joe Biden or the other way.  They have
each other's back.  That's the level of the relationship.  He
was arrested on that person's boat, that the testimony is he's
been on that boat for weeks.  The government is going to ask
them to draw the conclusion that these two men are tight.
They're co-conspirators.  Not just co-conspirators, but they
have a relationship so deep that one would speak for the other.
It goes beyond what the government is just sort of saying, it's
a business relationship.  That's not how the evidence is going
to come in.
MR. FINKEL:  Your Honor, if I may.
THE COURT:  Yes.
MR. FINKEL:  Miles Guo is on trial, not Steve Bannon.
I think the question that your Honor asked to the juror was an
appropriate one, which is, understanding everyone enters this
courtroom with some preconceived notions and some biases, can
you put those to the side and evaluate the evidence in this
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government would have no objection to your Honor inquiring
about whether her knowledge of Steve Bannon would bias her
against the defendant.  If she answered yes to that question,
the government would probably agree that she should be struck
for cause.  But seeing a negative answer to that question,
there should not be a strike for cause.  Of course she'd be
subject to peremptory challenges.
MS. SHROFF:  She should be stricken for cause.  She
literally just said the thing that would topple her the most
is——she literally said, in a normal circumstance, I would be
able to put it aside.  The tie to Steve Bannon, that——those
were her words, the tie to Steve Bannon.  And here, the
government——Mr. Bannon is on trial because they've argued that
he's a co-conspirator and those two acted in tandem.  That is
why they're trying to get in his statement and all of the other
co-conspirator statements, right?
THE COURT:  So what if I were to ask her that if Steve
Bannon is an unindicted co-conspirator, would that cause her to
have a bias against Mr. Guo?
MS. SHROFF:  That would be a fair question, as long as
she understands what an unindicted co-conspirator is.  If you
can tell her the allegations here are that Mr. Guo and
Mr. Bannon worked hand in hand, according to the government,
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THE COURT:  All right.
MR. FINKEL:  Whether she could put whatever biases she
has to the side.
MS. SHROFF:  The question——
MR. FINKEL:  Excuse me, Ms. Shroff.
THE COURT:  One moment.  One moment.
Go ahead.
MR. FINKEL:  All I was saying is that the question is
whether, ultimately, anyone can put away what they know about
and learned about outside the courtroom and evaluate what's in
the courtroom, following your Honor's instructions, and if a
juror can do that, she shouldn't be struck for cause.
MS. SHROFF:  It's not a question of bias and common
sense from the outside, right?  What you're saying is, Bannon
is untrustworthy, so Miles Guo is untrustworthy.  Bannon is
making a promise that you cannot rely on because you have
negative opinions of Bannon, and where Bannon goes, Guo goes.
So in essence, you are asking for her to distinguish between
the two.  If you accept that the two are close, would you then
be able to evaluate and give a fair verdict to Guo because of
the feelings towards Bannon?
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  You have said that you have negative
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THE COURT:  The prosecution alleges that Mr. Bannon
conspired with Mr. Guo to commit crimes.  Would you be able to
put aside your feelings about Mr. Bannon and be fair and
impartial as a juror to Mr. Guo?
JUROR:  I guess the best I can answer to that is I
don't know.
THE COURT:  Okay.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
MS. SHROFF:  We challenge for cause.
THE COURT:  All right.
MR. KAMARAJU:  In case it wasn't obvious.
MR. FINKEL:  For the record, no objection from the
government.
THE COURT:  What number was that?
MS. SHROFF:  166.
THE COURT:  I hope we can get a jury.
MR. FINKEL:  It's kind of close.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  What number are you?
JUROR:  176.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You can step back.
Was that it?  Okay.
(In open court) 
THE COURT:  This trial will likely generate media
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should absolutely avoid reading, watching, or listening to
media reports concerning the case, including coverage of the
case on social media like Facebook, Twitter, blogs, etc., until
after the case is over?  Can you all promise that to me?
THE JURORS:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Is there anybody who cannot follow that
instruction?
Will each of you follow my instruction that you may
not research or talk about the case with other people until the
case is over?
THE JURORS:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Is there anyone who cannot follow that
instruction, or will not follow that instruction?
As I mentioned, during the trial, you will hear
evidence concerning an alleged racketeering conspiracy
involving wire fraud, securities fraud, bank fraud, and money
laundering.  Will the nature of the charges affect your ability
to render a fair verdict?
Have you or anyone else close to you been involved in
any proceeding involving United States Securities and Exchange
Commission, or the SEC?
If you have already answered this question, please do
not answer again.
Have you or anyone close to you ever filed for
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JUROR:  I had to declare personal bankruptcy——oh,
sorry.  111.
THE COURT:  Go ahead.
JUROR:  Yes.  I had to declare bankruptcy, personal
bankruptcy, over 20 years ago.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Thank you.
JUROR:  204.  I filed for bankruptcy.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step up.
(At the sidebar; juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  Are you No. 204?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  What's your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And when is it that you applied for
bankruptcy?
JUROR:  Applied or when it happened?
THE COURT:  Both.
JUROR:  Okay.  2024——about five years ago.
THE COURT:  And is the bankruptcy case concluded?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  If you hear anything concerning bankruptcy
in this case, would you be able to put aside your own personal
experience and come into the court with an open mind, listen to
the witness testimony, read the documentary evidence, follow my
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JUROR:  Yeah, sure.
THE COURT:  Okay.  You can step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Any objection to my keeping her?
MR. KAMARAJU:  Not from us, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY:  No, your Honor.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  What number are you?
JUROR:  160.
THE COURT:  160.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Okay.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Is that it?  Okay.
(in open court) 
THE COURT:  Do you or anyone close to you have any
strong views about the Chinese government or the Chinese
Communist Party?
All right.  Step up.
(At the sidebar) 
THE COURT:  What is it that you want me to get at with
this question?
MR. KAMARAJU:  I think, like yesterday, if somebody
says they've had contact or knowledge of the Chinese Communist
Party, you can simply ask them, can you put those aside and be
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(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Okay.  What number are you?
JUROR:  101.
THE COURT:  All right.  You may step back.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  What number are you, sir?
JUROR:  113.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Your number, sir?
JUROR:  111.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
JUROR:  Okay.
(Next juror present) 
JUROR:  130.
THE COURT:  130.  You may step back.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Your number?
JUROR:  131.
THE COURT:  131.  You may step back.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Your number?
JUROR:  166.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
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THE COURT:  Your number?
JUROR:  168.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Your number?
JUROR:  174.
THE COURT:  And what is it that you feel about the
Chinese government or the Chinese Communist Party?
JUROR:  Well, it's more government.  Just geopolitical
aggression.
THE COURT:  All right.  So can you put aside what you
know about the Chinese government or what you heard about it
and come into the courtroom with an open mind and listen to the
witness testimony, read the documentary evidence, follow my
instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR:  I can try to.
THE COURT:  What do you mean try?  This is a yes or no
question.
JUROR:  Can you repeat the question.
THE COURT:  Sure.  Can you put aside any feelings you
have about the Chinese government or the Chinese Communist
Party——
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  ——and come into the courtroom with an open
mind, listen to the witness testimony, read the documentary

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evidence, follow my instructions on the law, and be a fair and
impartial juror?
JUROR:  Yes.  I mean, if it's yes or no, then yes.
THE COURT:  Good.  Good.  You may step back.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  What is your number, sir?
JUROR:  179.
THE COURT:  No. 179.  Okay.  Sir, you can step back.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi.  What's your number?
JUROR:  180.
THE COURT:  180.  Okay.
JUROR:  As I mentioned earlier, I work in the media
business.  I have a global role.  Part of my global team sits
in China so I have a lot of deals there, and just in terms of
operationally, operating that media business, a lot of what
happens there is very different than what we face in the rest
of the world and how we have to conform is——there's a heavy
hand based on what we can and can't do, so I would say that I
do have a negative opinion of it, just based on my own
dealings.
THE COURT:  So you're talking about censorship, right?
JUROR:  Correct.
THE COURT:  So can you——
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there, exactly.
THE COURT:  Can you put aside your feeling about the
Chinese government and come into the courtroom with an open
mind, listen to the witnesses testify, read the documentary
evidence, follow my instructions on the law, and be a fair and
impartial juror?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  All righty.  Step back, please.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  What is your number, please?
JUROR:  148.
THE COURT:  148?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  What's your number?
JUROR:  121.
THE COURT:  And you may step back.
THE LAW CLERK:  That's it, Judge.
(In open court) 
THE COURT:  During the trial you may hear testimony
about or from former senior members of the Trump
administration, including Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro.  Do
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Donald Trump, including Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro, that
would prevent you from being a fair and impartial juror?
Please step up.
(At the sidebar; juror present) 
JUROR:  101.
THE COURT:  And you may step back.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Your number, sir?
JUROR:  103.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Your number?
JUROR:  116.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Your number?
JUROR:  117.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
(Next juror present) 
JUROR:  133.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Your number?
JUROR:  152.
THE COURT:  You may step back.

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JUROR:  Thank you.
(Next juror present) 
JUROR:  153.
THE COURT:  153.  You may step back.
(Next juror present) 
JUROR:  156.
THE COURT:  156.  You may step back.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Your number?
JUROR:  166.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Your number?
JUROR:  177.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
(Next juror present) 
JUROR:  179.
THE COURT:  You may step back.
(Next juror present) 
JUROR:  174.
THE COURT:  All righty.  What you would like to tell
me?
JUROR:  I just wouldn't believe anything they have to
say.
THE COURT:  All right.  So if I tell you that they're

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not going to actually be witnesses but their names may come
up——the prosecution alleges that Mr. Bannon conspired with the
defendant, Mr. Guo, to commit crimes.  And so you have said you
wouldn't believe them, so I assume then you have negative views
about Mr. Bannon; is that correct?
JUROR:  Correct.
THE COURT:  Okay.  So having heard the accusation that
I've just summarized, would your feelings about Mr. Bannon
prevent you from being fair as a juror to Mr. Guo?
JUROR:  Likely.  To be honest, yeah, I guess so.
THE COURT:  Okay.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  What number was that?
MS. SHROFF:  174.
THE COURT:  174.  Okay.  He is excused.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Go ahead.  What's your number?
JUROR:  143.
THE COURT:  143.  You may step back.
(Next juror present) 
JUROR:  146.
THE COURT:  146.  Okay.  Go ahead.
JUROR:  I'm Democrat, and any Republican——I wouldn't
trust a Trump advisor at all.
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that Steve Bannon conspired with Mr. Guo to commit crimes.  The
question is, can you put aside your feelings for Mr. Bannon,
come into the courtroom with an open mind, listen to the
witnesses in the case, read the documentary evidence, follow my
instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial juror to
Mr. Guo?
JUROR:  I think so, yeah.
THE COURT:  What do you mean by "I think so"?  It's a
yes or no question.
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Yes.  Okay.  You may step back.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  What's your number?
JUROR:  154.
THE COURT:  154.  You may step back.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  What's your number?
JUROR:  180.
THE COURT:  180.  Go ahead.
JUROR:  Okay.  So just, Steve Bannon, I think he
was——I mentioned I was a new-ish American, and I didn't become
a US citizen until after the Trump White House because the
voices like Steve Bannon's relative to immigrants that made me
feel very scared, and even after living in this country for
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The rhetoric that he put forward was some of the most divisive
and alarming that I've ever seen.
THE COURT:  All righty.  So if you'll stay with me.
JUROR:  All right.
THE COURT:  So in this case the prosecution alleges
that Mr. Bannon was a co-conspirator of Mr. Guo, that they
conspired together to commit crimes.  Would you be able to put
aside these negative feelings that you have about Mr. Bannon
and come into the court with an open mind, listen to the
witness testimony, read the documentary evidence, follow my
instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial juror for
Mr. Guo?
JUROR:  Look, I'd like to say that I would, and I
would——I would try.  My hardest and——I just do have deep,
strong feelings relative to what this person has I think vilely
spread across this country.  I don't think he's a good person.
So I would try and not let that taint my opinion in this case.
I understand what you're asking.  I'm just being truthful.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  And I think she should be dismissed for
cause.
MR. FINKEL:  What her feelings were had nothing to do
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Honor asked her whether she understood that this case has
nothing to do with immigration, whether that impacts her view,
I think that would be appropriate.  And for what it's worth,
she said she would try.  She didn't hesitate and say no, and
then, well, maybe; she said, yes, I could try.  I think it
would be appropriate for further inquiry.
MS. SHROFF:  She called him the most vile human being,
vilely spreading rhetoric across the country.  Yeah.  No.
THE COURT:  Vile only about immigration?  No.  No.
She is struck, No. 180.
(Next juror present) 
JUROR:  Hi.  I'm 181.
THE COURT:  181.  You may step back, sir.
JUROR:  Okay.  Just go back?
THE COURT:  Go back to your seat, yes.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.
JUROR:  182.
THE COURT:  Yes.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Okay.
(Next juror present) 
JUROR:  194.
THE COURT:  194.  You may step back to your seat.
(Next juror present) 
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THE COURT:  197.
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Okay.  And what did you want to say?
JUROR:  Anything spoken by Bannon is going to be
questionable.
THE COURT:  So we're not expecting him to be a witness
here.  The prosecution alleges that Mr. Bannon was a
co-conspirator of Mr. Guo, that he and Mr. Guo conspired to
commit crimes.  So the question is, can you put aside your
negative feelings about Mr. Bannon and come into the courtroom
with an open mind, listen to the witness testimony, read the
documentary evidence, follow my instructions on the law, and be
a fair and impartial juror for Mr. Guo?
JUROR:  I'd try.
THE COURT:  Well, it's really a yes or no kind of a
question.
JUROR:  Okay.  Yeah, I guess, yes.
THE COURT:  Well, I can't have you guess either.
JUROR:  Okay.  Yes.
THE COURT:  So do you feel that you really don't have
certainty about this?
JUROR:  Yeah, it's true.
THE COURT:  Okay.  All righty.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  He waffled.  He was 1?

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THE LAW CLERK:  197.
MR. FINKEL:  Your Honor, he waffled, but I think he
said yes each time.
THE COURT:  The problem is——
MR. FINKEL:  You can stop laughing, Ms. Shroff.  Thank
you.
THE COURT:  His body language, the shrugging of the
shoulders, his kind of a little bit of a back-and-forth of the
head, the tone of his voice, I could tell that he was not
speaking with certainty, and I felt that it was appropriate to
go further.
Go ahead.
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  All right.  What is your number?  
JUROR:  202.
THE COURT:  And your name?
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  And what would you like to say?
JUROR:  I was just being transparent because I don't
know if you guys do, like, research on the jurors or anything,
but like social media, I have never had anything good to say
about Steve Bannon or Peter Navarro, but——and I, you know, most
definitely will try to be objective and, you know, listen to
the facts and stuff, but I just didn't want it to cause a
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THE COURT:  All right.  So you're saying that you have
heard negative things about those two people.
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  And so you have a negative impression; am
I correct?
JUROR:  Correct.
THE COURT:  All right.  So in this case the
prosecution alleges that Mr. Bannon and Mr. Guo conspired
together to commit crimes, and my question for you——and this is
a yes or no question——can you come into the courtroom with an
open mind, listen to the witness testimony——Mr. Bannon will not
be a witness——listen to the witness testimony, read the
documentary evidence, following my instructions on the law, and
be a fair and impartial juror for Mr. Guo?
JUROR:  Yes.  I thought he was a witness.  That's why
I was like, ah.  That's what I thought the issue was.  But yes,
I can definitely——
THE COURT:  Well, it may be that statements of
Mr. Bannon may come into evidence.
JUROR:  Oh, okay.
THE COURT:  Not necessarily that he will be physically
in the courtroom, but things that he may have said may come up.
And so if you hear a quote of something that he said, my
question is, can you put aside any negative impressions and be
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JUROR:  I believe I can.
THE COURT:  What do you mean by "I believe"?  This is
a yes or no question.
JUROR:  Then yes.
THE COURT:  And you feel certain about that.
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
MS. SHROFF:  Could we just ask him if he heard
testimony from Bannon through a recording or a video——
THE COURT:  No.
MS. SHROFF:  That's the evidence.
THE COURT:  I don't see any need for that.  I think
I've gone far enough.
Let's go.  Come.  
(Next juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hi there.  Your number?
JUROR:  204.
THE COURT:  204.  Okay.  Go ahead.
JUROR:  In regards to?
THE COURT:  I had asked a question concerning——
JUROR:  Right.  Those gentlemen, I don't agree with
any of their policies or their politics, so I would certainly
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this case.
THE COURT:  Okay.  So you have a negative opinion
about those people, right?
JUROR:  Correct.
THE COURT:  All right.  So in this case, the
prosecution alleges that Mr. Bannon and Mr. Guo conspired
together to commit crimes.  So my question for you is, can you
put aside your already-formed negative opinion about Mr. Bannon
and come into the court with an open mind, listen to the
witness testimony, read the documentary evidence, follow my
instructions on the law, and be a fair and impartial juror for
Mr. Guo?
JUROR:  I don't think I can.  If he's involved with
either one of those individuals, no.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Thank you.  You may step back.
JUROR:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  I will excuse her for cause.
That's it.  Okay.
(In open court) 
THE COURT:  Do any of you have any strong views about
cryptocurrency that would prevent you from being a fair and
impartial juror?
All righty.  Go ahead.  If you'll state your number,
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JUROR:  121.
THE COURT:  Are you saying that you have strong views
for or against cryptocurrency?
JUROR:  Oh, I didn't hear the for or against.  I'm in
between.
THE COURT:  In between?  And do you think that those
feelings would affect your ability to be a fair and impartial
juror?
JUROR:  Possibly, yeah.
THE COURT:  Okay.  And again, your number is?
JUROR:  121.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Thank you.
Anybody else?
Is it your opinion that the actions charged in the
indictment as I have described them to you should not be crimes
or should not be prosecuted federally?
Have you been involved as a defendant, victim,
witness, or in any other way in any prosecution for fraud or
money laundering?
JUROR:  169.  Just to clarify, the question was if I
was a witness in a prosecution?
THE COURT:  That's one of the categories, whether you
were a defendant, victim, witness, or in any other way involved
in a prosecution for fraud or money laundering.
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regarding——
THE COURT:  Okay.  So that's enough.  Thank you.
The defendant is charged with acting with others in
committing the alleged crimes.  Some of those other individuals
are not on trial in this case.  You may not draw any inference,
favorable or unfavorable, towards the government or the
defendant from that fact.  You also may not speculate as to why
other persons are not on trial in this courtroom.  Would any of
you have any difficulty following that instruction?
Have you, a family member or close friend ever been
involved or appeared as a witness in any investigation by a
federal or state grand jury or by a congressional or state
legislative committee, licensing authority, or governmental
agency?
And this is posed to the people who have not answered
the question.
Have you, a family member, or close friend ever been
questioned in any matter by a federal, state, or local law
enforcement agency, including the FBI?  Again, for those who
have not already answered the question.
JUROR:  Juror 121.
THE COURT:  You were questioned by law enforcement?
JUROR:  A close friend was.
THE COURT:  Okay.  All right.  Thank you.
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part of a regular audit of the company that I worked at.
THE COURT:  All righty.
JUROR:  I was——oh, 134.  I was in federal court
proving that my son is my son.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Thank you.
JUROR:  Juror 117.  And I was present——I don't know if
I was a minor at the time——but my parents were questioned by
the FBI regarding my brother's application for Peace Corps.
THE COURT:  Thank you.
JUROR:  123.  I had answered questions of the FBI
about a security clearance.
THE COURT:  Thank you.
Have you, a family member or close friend ever been a
witness or a complainant in a hearing or trial, whether state,
local, or federal?  If you already have not answered the
question.
JUROR:  187.  I was a witness in a murder trial.
THE COURT:  So would that——
JUROR:  It was in Pennsylvania.
THE COURT:  Was that state or federal court?
JUROR:  It was state.
THE COURT:  And how long ago was that?
JUROR:  About four years ago.
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THE COURT:  Four.  So is there anything about that
experience, having served as a witness in a Pennsylvania court,
that would prevent you from being a fair and impartial juror in
this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Anyone else?
JUROR:  Juror No. 178.  I was a witness in a——I don't
even know what to call it.  It was for a friend of mine whose
father molested her, in court.
THE COURT:  Oh, okay.  Thank you.
Anybody else?
Are you, a member of your family, or a close friend
now under subpoena or, to your knowledge, about to be
subpoenaed in a criminal case?
Have you, a family member or close friend ever been
charged with a crime?  And this is for people who have not
answered the question.
Have you, a family member, or close friend ever been
the subject of any investigation or accusation by a grand jury,
federal or state?
Have you, a family member, or close friend ever been
the victim of a crime?
JUROR:  Hi again.  119.
THE COURT:  Go ahead.
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THE COURT:  You were the victim of an assault.  
Go ahead, the next person.
JUROR:  179.  My father attempted infanticide when I
was a child.
THE COURT:  Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that.
Go ahead.
JUROR:  168.  Car theft.
THE COURT:  You said a car theft, is that it?
JUROR:  Car theft.
THE COURT:  168, yes?
JUROR:  Yes, 168.
JUROR:  169.  My wife was the victim of an identity
theft that was used to conduct unauthorized financial
transactions.
THE COURT:  Thank you.
JUROR:  123.  I had a bike stolen, and I also had
grand larceny at my work where I had a laptop and some desk
supplies stolen off of it.
THE COURT:  Okay.
JUROR:  122.  My home was robbed.
THE COURT:  Thank you.
JUROR:  153.  My sister was murdered.
THE COURT:  Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that.
Anyone else?
JUROR:  138.  I was a victim of a hate crime.

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THE COURT:  I'm sorry.  Did you say that was 138?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  What happened, sir?  Did you want to talk
to us privately?
JUROR:  No.  It's fine.  I'm gay, and I was assaulted.
THE COURT:  I'm sorry.  Did you say the date?
JUROR:  No.  I said I'm gay.
THE COURT:  Yes.
JUROR:  I was assaulted.  I fought back.  The
perpetrator was caught, but I didn't press charges because he
was a veteran, was suffering from PTSD.
THE COURT:  So he was never held accountable for that.
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  And so the fact that you were an innocent
victim and the perpetrator of the crime was never held
accountable, would that make you want to hold Mr. Guo
accountable?
JUROR:  Yes, if that is——if he is guilty of the
offense.
THE COURT:  Well, I'm saying, would your experience
make you biased against Mr. Guo?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Okay.  So can you set aside that terrible
experience of the past and come into the courtroom with an open
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documentary evidence and follow my instructions on the law, and
be a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  You can be fair to Mr. Guo; is that
correct?
JUROR:  That's correct.
THE COURT:  And you can be fair to the government,
yes?
JUROR:  Yes, that's correct.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Go ahead.
JUROR:  151.  My brother-in-law was murdered.
THE COURT:  Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
JUROR:  150.  I have a couple of——
THE COURT:  One second.  One second, please.
Go ahead.
JUROR:  I have a couple of friends that was victim of
internet——it was through the internet and the people was not
legit.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Thank you for telling me.
JUROR:  149.  Car theft and residential burglary.
THE COURT:  Go ahead.
JUROR:  187.  I've been robbed at gunpoint on the
street, and I've had my apartment broken into while I was in
it.
THE COURT:  And you're 187?

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JUROR:  187, yes.
THE COURT:  Okay.  So the robbery at gunpoint on the
street, did you report that?
JUROR:  Yes, I did.
THE COURT:  And how long ago was that?
JUROR:  That was in the '70s.
THE COURT:  And were the police able to find the
perpetrator?
JUROR:  They never really tried.
THE COURT:  So you were disappointed with the way that
the police behaved back then?
JUROR:  Yes, I was.
THE COURT:  So would that tend to make you have a bias
against the police?
JUROR:  To some extent, yes.  I think I would listen
to what the evidence is in this case, but——
THE COURT:  So you had a negative experience with the
police, and my question is, considering that there will be law
enforcement witnesses, can you put aside that negative
experience of so many years ago and come into the court with an
open mind, listen to the witness testimony——
JUROR:  Unfortunately I've had other——I was also a
juror on a trial of a corrupt policeman, so I have had several
negative experiences with the police.
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experiences would cause you to have a bias against a law
enforcement official?
JUROR:  Again, I would certainly try to listen fairly,
but is there some inherent bias?  Probably, yes.
THE COURT:  So we all come into this courtroom with
biases.  I have biases.  But the task is, can you set those
biases aside, first be aware of them and then to set them
aside, so that you can be objective about the evidence in this
particular case?  Would you agree with me that there are good
police officers?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  And do you rely on the police or would you
rely on the police if you felt that you needed them?
JUROR:  I have not been able to in the past.
THE COURT:  Would you call the police if you felt that
you needed to call the police?
JUROR:  I would.
THE COURT:  Yes, you would.  Okay.  So you would agree
that there are some good police and some police that are not
good?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  So can you set aside your negative
attitude and——you're saying that your feelings are founded upon
your personal experiences.  And can you set aside those
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this case and be fair to both sides?
JUROR:  I believe I can.
THE COURT:  It's a yes or no question.
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  And your number again?
JUROR:  187.
THE COURT:  Do you feel that you would have any bias
against the government in this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Bias in favor of the government?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Bias against the defendant?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Bias for the defendant.
JUROR:  I don't know the defendant.
THE COURT:  Okay.  So you're saying no, you would not
have a bias in favor of——
JUROR:  Correct.
THE COURT:  ——the defendant.
JUROR:  Right.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Go ahead.
JUROR:  129.  My home was burglarized.
THE COURT:  All right.  Thank you for telling me.
JUROR:  201.  201, my number.  In 2019, in October, I
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it was a gang, four people——three guys and one young woman, 18
years old.  And the police found the woman, and they called me.
I went to police.  I was in the hospital, and then I went to
police, and many people asked me different questions.  And they
found this girl, and they saw it, everything what happened,
because it was a camera on the street, and they showed me,
because I didn't see.  She hit me from the back.  So I didn't
see actually.  I saw the movie.  And she didn't get any
justice, nothing.  They said because she was 18 years old,
she's young, this is the first time.  And that's the story.
That's it.
THE COURT:  Then you were disappointed.
JUROR:  Yes, very disappointed.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Anybody else?
JUROR:  113.  I was mauled by a group of teenagers.
The outcome, similar situation.  They were given probation
because of their age.
THE COURT:  So you were also disappointed.
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  All righty.
JUROR:  Juror 117.  My car was broken into, my mother
was mugged, and my father and brother have been held up many
times with a gun and a knife.
THE COURT:  Thank you.
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Okay.  Has anyone served on a jury or grand jury, in
federal or state court?
JUROR:  Juror 101.  It was probably about five or six
years ago.  It was a attempted murder and weapons charge, and I
was on the jury.
THE COURT:  All right.  If you've served in a criminal
case, do not tell me the verdict.
Okay.  Thank you.
JUROR:  I've served.
THE COURT:  What's your number?
JUROR:  105.
THE COURT:  Go ahead.
JUROR:  In criminal case, state case.
THE COURT:  And what county was that?
JUROR:  Westchester, White Plains.
THE COURT:  What?
JUROR:  White Plains, Westchester.
THE COURT:  And without telling me the verdict, did
the jury reach a verdict?
JUROR:  We sure did.
THE COURT:  And how long did you say that was ago?
JUROR:  Last year.
THE COURT:  Last year?
JUROR:  Last year.
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JUROR:  State court.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Who else?
JUROR:  109.  I was on a jury about seven years ago.
THE COURT:  All righty.  Who else?
JUROR:  111.  I served on a state case about 15 to 20
years ago.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Who else?
JUROR:  119.  State civil case, about three years ago.
THE COURT:  All righty.  Who else?
JUROR:  133.  I served here in Manhattan.  It was a
grand jury, but it was multiple cases a day for a month.
THE COURT:  All righty.
JUROR:  137.  I served here about ten years ago.
THE COURT:  In this courthouse?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  And was it a civil or criminal case?
JUROR:  Criminal.
THE COURT:  And without telling me the verdict, did
the jury reach a verdict?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  You're saying that there was——
JUROR:  They reached a resolution.  They pleaded it
out.
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JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  So there was a guilty plea before you had
the opportunity to deliberate; is that it?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  And you said that was ten years ago?
JUROR:  Probably about ten years ago.  It might have
been longer than that.
THE COURT:  Okay.
JUROR:  142.
THE COURT:  Yes.
JUROR:  I served in a criminal case in the Bronx like
15 years ago.
THE COURT:  Okay.
JUROR:  Juror 144.  Served around 2009 or 2010, state.
THE COURT:  Okay.
JUROR:  152.  I served the state, Rockland County, in
a criminal case, seven years ago.
THE COURT:  All righty.  Who else?  
JUROR:  169.  I served on a jury on a criminal case,
state, around 2008.  We did reach a verdict.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Who else?
JUROR:  138.  Civil case.  We did reach a verdict.
THE COURT:  And so was that here in federal court or
state court?
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THE COURT:  In Manhattan?
JUROR:  Manhattan, yes.
THE COURT:  And how many years did you say?
JUROR:  Probably eight, nine years ago.
THE COURT:  Civil matter, and you reached a verdict.
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Who else?
JUROR:  182.  State court, criminal, 15 years ago.  In
Manhattan state court.
THE COURT:  182?
All righty.  Who else?
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THE COURT:  All righty.  Who else?
JUROR:  162.  Over ten years ago, Southern District,
civil case, we reached a verdict.
THE COURT:  Who else?
JUROR:  175.  I served on the grand jury for a month.
THE COURT:  Who else?
JUROR:  187.  I served on all state grand jury twice.
THE COURT:  Where?
JUROR:  Criminal, reached a verdict.  Civil, that did
not reach a verdict, but settled after a week's deliberation.
And another criminal, I was alternate and deliberated the first
day and then they sent me home.
THE COURT:  I just want to take these one at a time.  
What county? 
JUROR:  All in Manhattan.
THE COURT:  All in Manhattan.  
And the most recent case happened when? 
JUROR:  More than ten years ago.
THE COURT:  And that was a civil or criminal case?
JUROR:  That was criminal.
THE COURT:  And you reached a verdict?
JUROR:  Yes, we did.
THE COURT:  And then the next most recent case?
JUROR:  That was the civil case where it went on for a
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they settled.
THE COURT:  Okay.  And anything else?
JUROR:  I was an alternate on another criminal case.
THE COURT:  Any other case where you served as a
juror?
JUROR:  No.  Well, not that I recall at this point.
Nothing -- I think it was settled along the way, but I don't
recall deliberating.
THE COURT:  Anyone else?
JUROR:  193.  A state court, Manhattan.  It was a
civil case.
THE COURT:  And how long ago was that?
JUROR:  It was six or seven years ago.
THE COURT:  Go ahead.  Who's next?
JUROR:  192.  I served as a jury about eleven years
ago here in this building.  It was a criminal trial.  We did
reach a verdict.
THE COURT:  All righty.  Who else?
JUROR:  197.  Criminal in the Bronx in 2018.  But
after it was finished, the lawyers approached us and revealed
that there was information that wasn't revealed to us that
would have changed our mind about the entire process.
THE COURT:  And you're 197, did you say?
JUROR:  197.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Who else?

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JUROR:  202.
THE COURT:  Yes.
JUROR:  I had a civil, state, and I was a juror up in
Putnam County.
THE COURT:  And how long ago was that?
JUROR:  2019.
THE COURT:  Who else?
That was a state matter? 
JUROR:  Yes.  State.  Sorry.
THE COURT:  Go ahead.
JUROR:  199.
THE COURT:  Yes.
JUROR:  Over ten years ago I was on a jury.  State,
criminal.
THE COURT:  What county was that?
JUROR:  Manhattan.
THE COURT:  And did you reach a verdict?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Anyone else?
JUROR:  Juror No. 200.
THE COURT:  Yes.
JUROR:  A criminal case in Brooklyn about nine years
ago.
THE COURT:  Anyone else?
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Plains, New York, 2007.  And again in 2009 in White Plains, New
York.
THE COURT:  Thank you.  Anyone else?
The government witnesses in this case will include
agents and analysts from the FBI.  This question is addressed
to those of you who have not already answered the question.
Would any of you be more or less likely to believe a 
witness merely because he is a law -- he or she is a law 
enforcement officer? 
Some of the evidence admitted at trial may come from
searches performed by law enforcement officers.  I instruct you
that those searches were legal and that the evidence obtained
from those searches is admissible in this case.
Do any of you have strong feelings about searches
conducted by law enforcement officers or the use of evidence
obtained from searches that would interfere with your ability
to be fair and impartial as a juror in this case?
Does anyone have any expectations about the types of
evidence that the government or the defendant should or will
present in this criminal trial or in a criminal trial more
generally?
Would any of you be unable to follow the Court's
instructions that the government is not required to use any
particular technique in order to investigate evidence of a
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Under our system of law, the jury determines the facts 
and the Court determines the law.  These two areas are separate 
and distinct.  At the end of the case, I will instruct you on 
the law.  You are required to accept the law as I explain it to 
you.  It will be your job to determine the facts subject to my 
explanation of the law.  You may not substitute your notions of 
what the law is or what you think it should be.   
Is there anyone who feels that he or she is either 
unwilling or unable to apply the law as I explain it to you? 
Under our system of law, every defendant is presumed
innocent and cannot be found guilty unless a jury, having heard
all the evidence in the case, unanimously decides that the
evidence proves his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
Is there anyone who has difficulty accepting the law
or the presumption of innocence as to the defendant?
Under our system of law the burden of proof is on the
government.  The burden never shifts.  The defendant does not
have to prove his innocence, present any evidence, testify, or
cross-examine any of the government's witnesses.  If the
defendant chooses not to testify, you cannot hold that against
him.  Is there any juror who cannot follow that instruction?
Conversely, if defense counsel decides to put on a
case on defendant's behalf, that fact does not shift the burden
of proof to the defendant, nor does it diminish the obligation
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reasonable doubt.  Would anyone have any difficulty following
this principle?
The law provides that only the evidence produced here
in court may be used by you to determine whether the government
has met its burden of proving the defendant's guilt beyond a
reasonable doubt.  You may not consider any outside facts
beyond the trial evidence.  Is there anyone who has difficulty
accepting that law?
The law provides that the question of punishment is
for the judge alone.  The question of the possible sentence
that the defendant may face cannot enter into your
deliberations as to the guilt or innocence of the defendant.
Is there any juror who cannot follow that instruction?
If the evidence establishes the defendant's guilt
beyond a reasonable doubt, is there anyone who feels that they
could not render a verdict of guilty?
If the evidence does not establish the defendant's
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, is there anyone who feels that
they could not render a verdict of not guilty?
Aside from the attorneys who have already identified
themselves, do any of you have any legal training, is there any
reason that this would prevent you from applying the law as I
instruct you, without regard for what you may think the law is
from outside training or experience?
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other beliefs that would make him or her unable to render a
verdict?
Now I'm going to be questioning the jurors
individually.
We are to start with Juror No. 104.  Please state your
number, your county of residence, and your neighborhood during
the last five years.
JUROR:  104, Manhattan, Harlem.
THE COURT:  And how far did you go in school?
JUROR:  Bachelor's degree.
THE COURT:  In what subject?
JUROR:  Communications.
THE COURT:  And what is your job of the last five
years?
JUROR:  ABA instructor, applied behavioral analysis.
THE COURT:  Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Are there any other adults in your
household who work?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Do you like to read any types of books?
JUROR:  Yeah, fiction books and nonfiction.
THE COURT:  Any particular websites you like?
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THE COURT:  How about any clubs or organizations?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR:  I like seeing my friends.
THE COURT:  And is there anything that would prevent
you from being a fair and impartial juror?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  All right.  We're going now to No. 105.
If you would state your number, your county of residence, and
your neighborhood in the last five years.
(Pause) 
THE COURT:  All right.  Now I have forgotten where I
was.
105.  Okay.  Sir, would you state your number and your 
county of residence and neighborhood in the last five years. 
JUROR:  105, live in Westchester, Mt. Vernon, over the
last five, six years.
THE COURT:  Okay.  How far did you go in school?
JUROR:  College.
THE COURT:  And did you get a bachelor's degree?
JUROR:  Yes, B.S.
THE COURT:  In what subject?
JUROR:  Mechanical engineering.
THE COURT:  What is your job?
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THE COURT:  And how long have you been retired?
JUROR:  Six years ago.
THE COURT:  Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR:  Single.  Divorce.
THE COURT:  You're divorced.  
And do you have any people in your household, adults 
who work other than yourself? 
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Do you like any type of reading, books,
magazines, websites?
JUROR:  Technical books and computer.  Right now
computer.
THE COURT:  Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR:  I play golf with my friends.
THE COURT:  And is there anything else that you do in
your spare time?
JUROR:  I do sing.  I do classical.  I'm a classical
singer.
THE COURT:  How wonderful.
Is there anything that would prevent you from being a
fair and impartial juror?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  What voice do you sing?
JUROR:  I'm bass.  Can you hear that?

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THE COURT:  All righty.  If you'd pass the mic to 106.
If you would state your number, the county of 
residence, and the neighborhood that you've been in in the last 
five years. 
JUROR:  Sure.  Juror 106, Croton-on-Hudson,
Westchester, New York.
THE COURT:  And how far did you go in school?
JUROR:  Bachelor's.
THE COURT:  In what subject?
JUROR:  Biology.
THE COURT:  And your job?
JUROR:  I'm a technical account manager.
THE COURT:  And how long have you been doing that?
JUROR:  Four years in that position.
THE COURT:  And before that?
JUROR:  I was technical support, head of technical
support.
THE COURT:  And technical support, what is the nature
of --
JUROR:  Software.
THE COURT:  Software?  Okay.
Are you married or in a significant relationship? 
JUROR:  Yes, married.
THE COURT:  And your spouse, what does that person do
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JUROR:  She's a pediatric nurse practitioner.
THE COURT:  Do you like any type of reading, books,
magazines, websites?
JUROR:  Yes.  Fiction, nonfiction books.  Websites,
nothing in particular, just lots of things.
THE COURT:  Any groups, any clubs, organizations?
JUROR:  No groups or clubs.
THE COURT:  What do you do in your spare time?
JUROR:  Most of that time is spent with my kids;
otherwise, long distance running, mountain biking.
THE COURT:  Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  All righty.  If you would pass the mic to
No. 107.
And 107, would you please state your name, county of 
residence, and neighborhood the last five years? 
JUROR:  XXXXXXXXXXXXX.
THE COURT:  Don't say your name.
I'm going to strike that from the record.  
Your number? 
JUROR:  107.
THE COURT:  Okay.
JUROR:  Manhattan, Harlem.
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years?
JUROR:  I'm sorry?
THE COURT:  You've been in Harlem for at least five
years?
JUROR:  Oh, yes, yes.
THE COURT:  And how far did you go in school?
JUROR:  Bachelor's in psychology.
THE COURT:  And what is your job?
JUROR:  Credentialing and privileging specialist.
MS. SHROFF:  I'm sorry, your Honor, we couldn't hear.
THE COURT:  If you could just repeat that, please.
JUROR:  Credentialing and privileging specialist.
THE COURT:  What do you do in that position?
JUROR:  Credential doctors, incoming doctors.
THE COURT:  Do you work for the government?
JUROR:  The Veterans Health Administration.
THE COURT:  Okay.  You're married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR:  Married.
THE COURT:  And your spouse, what does that person do
for a living?
JUROR:  He's unemployed; currently unemployed.
THE COURT:  What did he used to do?
JUROR:  Drive.  He was a driver, taxi.
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household who are adults that work?
JUROR:  My daughter.
THE COURT:  What does she do?
JUROR:  She works at a department store, retail.
THE COURT:  Do you like any type of reading, books,
magazines, websites?
JUROR:  I like websites.
THE COURT:  What type?
JUROR:  TikTok.
THE COURT:  Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR:  With my family or running in the park.
THE COURT:  Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  All right.  Please pass the mic to Juror
110.  Oh, I'm sorry, Juror 110 is absent.
No. 115.  If you would state your number and your 
county of residence and neighborhood of the last five years? 
JUROR:  Juror No. 115.
THE COURT:  Yes.
JUROR:  Bronx County, Wakefield section.
THE COURT:  How far did you go in school?
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THE COURT:  And what were you studying in college?
JUROR:  Computer science.
THE COURT:  What is your job?
JUROR:  Inventory specialist.
THE COURT:  You've been doing that for the last five
years?
JUROR:  Last one year.  Prior four years I was doing
IT.
THE COURT:  Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR:  I like fantasy books.
THE COURT:  Websites?
JUROR:  Nothing in particular.
THE COURT:  Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  What do you do in your spare time?
JUROR:  Go hiking with friends or play video games.
THE COURT:  Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  We're now going to No. 126.  I'm sorry,
120 is the next person.  Thank you.
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residence. 
JUROR:  120, Manhattan, Upper East Side.
THE COURT:  How far did you go in school?
JUROR:  College.
THE COURT:  And what did you study?
JUROR:  Nursing.
THE COURT:  And so you are an RN?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  And your current job?
JUROR:  Registered nurse.
THE COURT:  And are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Are there other adults in the household
who work?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Do you like any type of reading, books,
magazines, websites?
JUROR:  Yes, true crimes.
THE COURT:  True crime.  
Are you involved in any clubs or organizations? 
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  What do you do in your spare time?
JUROR:  Hike and travel.
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from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  All right.  Now 126.  If you would state
your number and your county of residence and neighborhood over
the last five years?
JUROR:  126, Rockland County, north Rockland.
THE COURT:  Where in Rockland?
JUROR:  North Rockland.
THE COURT:  North Rockland?
How far did you go in school? 
JUROR:  Bachelor's degree.
THE COURT:  In what?
JUROR:  Accounting.
THE COURT:  Your current job?
JUROR:  Property accountant.
THE COURT:  Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Are there other adults in your home who
work?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  And what do they do?
JUROR:  My mother works at a fast-food restaurant.
My -- one of my brother is a truck driver; another one is a --
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home.
THE COURT:  Do you like any type of reading, books,
magazines, websites?
JUROR:  Yes.  Nonfiction.
THE COURT:  Nonfiction.
Are you belonging to any clubs or organizations?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR:  Hiking, kayak.
THE COURT:  Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  All right.  Going to No. 128.  128.  One
two eight.
JUROR:  128, New York County, East Harlem.
THE COURT:  And you've been there for the last five
years?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  And how far did you go in school?
JUROR:  High school graduate.
THE COURT:  What is your job?
JUROR:  Retired from the Department of Veteran Affairs
in 1971.
THE COURT:  You retired in 1971?
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THE COURT:  Oh, wow.
And how long did you work at the veterans affairs 
department? 
JUROR:  Thirty years.
THE COURT:  Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Are there any other adults in your home
who work?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Do you like any types of books, magazines,
websites?
JUROR:  Sports magazines.
THE COURT:  What type of sports?
JUROR:  Sports magazines.
THE COURT:  Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR:  None.
THE COURT:  How do you spend your days?
JUROR:  Listening to music.
THE COURT:  Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.  None.
THE COURT:  All right, then.  No. 137.
JUROR:  137.
THE COURT:  I'm sorry.  One moment.  I think I've

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skipped someone here.  Yes, 135 it is.
If you would say your number, your county of 
residence. 
JUROR:  135, Bronx County, Baychester.
THE COURT:  And you've been there for the last five
years?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  And how far did you go in school?
JUROR:  Bachelor's.
THE COURT:  In what subject?
JUROR:  Nursing.
THE COURT:  So you're an RN?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  And what do you do for a living?
JUROR:  RN, nursing.
THE COURT:  And you've been doing that for the last
five years?
JUROR:  Before I was a pharmacy tech.
THE COURT:  Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Are there other adults in your home who
work?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Like any type of reading?

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JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  What is that?
JUROR:  Everything, kind of fiction, nonfiction.
THE COURT:  Any clubs or organizations -- excuse me?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR:  With friends, family.
THE COURT:  Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  No. 137.  If you would say your number,
your county of residence, and your neighborhood.
JUROR:  137, Bronx County.
THE COURT:  And you've been there for the last five
years?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  What area of the Bronx?
JUROR:  Concourse Village.
THE COURT:  How far did you go in school?
JUROR:  Master's in social work.
THE COURT:  And your job?
JUROR:  Administration for Children's Services,
Division of Finance.
THE COURT:  Are you married or in a significant
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JUROR:  Single, divorced.
THE COURT:  Any other people in your home who work?
JUROR:  None.
THE COURT:  Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR:  Yes.  Fictional, nonfictional,
autobiographies.
THE COURT:  How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR:  Family, friends, reading, watching TV.
THE COURT:  So you're the first person in this room
who watches TV.
JUROR:  I watch a lot of TV.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Is there anything that would
prevent you from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  No. 138.  Your county of residence and
neighborhood for the last five years and your number?
JUROR:  138, live in Manhattan, East Harlem.
THE COURT:  And you've been there for five years?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Married or in a significant relationship?
JUROR:  Single.
THE COURT:  Are there any other adults in the
household who work?
JUROR:  No.
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or websites?
JUROR:  Spend a lot of time on YouTube, variety of
stuff to watch.
THE COURT:  Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  What is your job?
JUROR:  I'm the executive director of a nonprofit in
New York City.
THE COURT:  And your educational background?
JUROR:  I have a master's degree in social policy.
THE COURT:  Clubs or organizations?
JUROR:  None.
THE COURT:  Your spare time?
JUROR:  Gardening, cooking, going for walks.
THE COURT:  Anything that would prevent you from being
a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  No. 145.
No. 142.  Not 142?  Okay.  I made a mistake.  I meant
142.
JUROR:  142, Manhattan, Inwood.
THE COURT:  And you've been there for the last five
years?
JUROR:  That's correct.
THE COURT:  And how far did you go in school?

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JUROR:  Bachelor's, criminal justice.
THE COURT:  So you have learned about the law;
correct?
JUROR:  Yes, but I'm no longer interested in that
anymore.
THE COURT:  So would you be able to put aside whatever
you know about the law and follow my instructions on the law
exclusively?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Your job?
JUROR:  I have two.  I'm a retail manager and I also
have a videography business as well.
THE COURT:  And you're married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Are there any other adults in the home who
work?
JUROR:  Yes, a cousin.  He runs an auto body shop.
THE COURT:  Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR:  No.  YouTube, documentaries, it's kind of my
thing.
THE COURT:  Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Spare time?
JUROR:  Working out with friends and editing.

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THE COURT:  Do you mean video editing?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  All righty.  No. 145.
JUROR:  145.  Bronx.
THE COURT:  What neighborhood is that?
JUROR:  Norwood.
THE COURT:  And you've been there for the last five
years?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  How far did you go in school?
JUROR:  I got my bachelor's in computer science.
THE COURT:  And what is your job?
JUROR:  Right now I'm unemployed.
THE COURT:  And what did you used to do?
JUROR:  I used to work in a warehouse.
THE COURT:  And how long ago was that?
JUROR:  That was last year.
THE COURT:  And so you have been unemployed for how
long?
JUROR:  Ten months.
THE COURT:  And how long did you work at the
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JUROR:  I worked there about seven years.
THE COURT:  Seven years.  Okay.
Are you married or in a significant relationship? 
JUROR:  Single.
THE COURT:  Are there any adults in your home who
work?
JUROR:  Yes.  My sister, she's a pharmacy technician;
and my dad, he's a construction worker.
THE COURT:  Do you like to do any reading, books,
magazines, websites?
JUROR:  Yeah, I like to read.
THE COURT:  What type of reading?
JUROR:  Usually fantasy and nonfiction.
THE COURT:  Clubs or organizations?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR:  Usually I watch movies or read and basically
spend time with my family, too.
THE COURT:  Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  No. 146.
JUROR:  Juror 146, Putnam County, in Cold Spring, New
York.
THE COURT:  Which county did you say?

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JUROR:  Putnam County.
THE COURT:  Putnam County, Cold Spring.
And you've been there for the last five years? 
JUROR:  Yup.
THE COURT:  And how far did you go in school?
JUROR:  B.A.
THE COURT:  In what subject?
JUROR:  English and history.
THE COURT:  Your current job?
JUROR:  Executive assistant to a CEO for a public
company.
THE COURT:  You've been there for five years?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR:  Married.
THE COURT:  And your spouse, what does that person do
for a living?
JUROR:  He's a contractor.
THE COURT:  Do you like any type of reading, books,
magazines, websites?
JUROR:  Yeah.  Nonfiction, fiction, Instagram.
THE COURT:  Any other adults in the household who
work?
JUROR:  No.

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THE COURT:  Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR:  Running after my kids.
THE COURT:  Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  No. 147.  Go ahead.
JUROR:  147, Westchester County, Ossining.
THE COURT:  And you've been in Ossining for at least
five years?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  How far did you go in school?
JUROR:  Bachelor's.
THE COURT:  In what subject?
JUROR:  Business management.
THE COURT:  And your job?
JUROR:  Data entry at an accounting firm.
THE COURT:  You've been there for five years?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Any adults in your home who work?
JUROR:  Mom's a public schoolteacher in Yonkers.

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THE COURT:  Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR:  Yes, mostly history.
THE COURT:  Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR:  Either reading or on YouTube.
THE COURT:  Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  No. 161.
JUROR:  Juror 161, live in Westchester County,
Eastchester.
THE COURT:  For at least five years?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  How far did you go in school?
JUROR:  Bachelor's, economics and French.
THE COURT:  Your current job?
JUROR:  I trade options on foreign currencies for a
bank.
THE COURT:  Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR:  Yes, married.
THE COURT:  And your spouse, what does that person do?
JUROR:  She's a cooking instructor.
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work?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR:  Most of what I read is financial news for
work.
THE COURT:  If you would repeat that and speak into
the microphone.
JUROR:  Sure.  Mostly most of what I read is financial
news.
THE COURT:  Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR:  I play guitar.
THE COURT:  Anything that would prevent you from being
a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  No. 163.
JUROR:  Juror 163.  I'm from Westchester, and I live
in Harrison.
THE COURT:  For the last five years?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  And how far did you go in school?
JUROR:  So I just graduated.  I have a bachelor's in
political science and economics.
THE COURT:  And so do you have a job now?

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JUROR:  Yes, I'm a business consultant.
THE COURT:  Is this your first full-time job?
JUROR:  I started a month and a half ago, so yes.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Did you have any other jobs in the
past?
JUROR:  I was an intern at a private equity firm.
THE COURT:  Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR:  I like reading.  Self-improvement books and
finance books as well.
THE COURT:  What kind of books?
JUROR:  Self-improvement books and finance books.
THE COURT:  Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR:  Either with friends or at sporting events.
THE COURT:  Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Let's go to 173.
JUROR:  Hi, I'm 173.
THE COURT:  Your county of residence?
JUROR:  Oh, sorry.  It's Rockland County.

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THE COURT:  And what part of Rockland?
JUROR:  Nanuet.
THE COURT:  And you've been there for the last five
years?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  How far did you go in school?
JUROR:  I have a Ph.D. in molecular genetics.
THE COURT:  Your current job?
JUROR:  I'm a research scientist at a pharmaceutical
company.
THE COURT:  Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR:  Yes, I am married.  My husband has also a
Ph.D. in computer science.
THE COURT:  And what is his job?
JUROR:  He is a computer scientist also in accounting,
in an insurance company.
THE COURT:  And are there any other adults in your
household who work?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR:  I like mostly -- generally I'm reading mostly
scientific journals right now because I am in research.
THE COURT:  Clubs or organizations?
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as well as nonscientific and volunteer organizations, yeah.
THE COURT:  What type of volunteer organizations?
JUROR:  Generally, scientific; but also we do, you
know, charity organizations, yeah.
THE COURT:  How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR:  Spending time with my daughter, running
around, play dates.  And also, you know, I have friends, I like
cooking, yeah.
THE COURT:  Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Let's go to 186.
JUROR:  186, New York, New York; Harlem.
THE COURT:  And you've been there for the last five
years?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  And how far did you go in school?
JUROR:  Finished high school, some college.
THE COURT:  And what were you studying in college?
JUROR:  Business management.
THE COURT:  Your job?
JUROR:  I'm a train conductor for a railroad.
THE COURT:  Have you done that during the last five
years?
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THE COURT:  How many?
JUROR:  Last eight years.
THE COURT:  Eight years.  Okay.
Are you married or in a significant relationship? 
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  And your significant other, what does that
person do for a living?
JUROR:  She's a New York City schoolteacher.
THE COURT:  Other adults in your home who work?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Like any type of reading?
JUROR:  Yes, I like to read all nonfiction, fiction,
Bible.
THE COURT:  Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR:  No clubs or organizations.
THE COURT:  And your spare time, how do you spend
that?
JUROR:  I like to bowl and I play spades.
THE COURT:  Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Let's go to No. 187.
JUROR:  187, New York County, Hell's Kitchen.
THE COURT:  How far did you go in school?
JUROR:  I have a master's and I became a Ph.D.

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dropout.
THE COURT:  What is your master's in?
JUROR:  I said I was a Ph.D. dropout.  I went on, but
didn't complete the degree.
THE COURT:  I understand.  But you did get the
master's?
JUROR:  Yes, I got a master's.
THE COURT:  And so what was your --
JUROR:  That was romance languages.
THE COURT:  Romance languages.  Which of the romance
languages?
JUROR:  Primarily Spanish, but French and Portuguese.
THE COURT:  And what is your job?
JUROR:  I'm retired.
THE COURT:  And what did you used to do?
JUROR:  IT.  Nothing to do with languages.
THE COURT:  Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR:  Single.
THE COURT:  What do the members of your household do
for a living, if you have any other adults in your house?
JUROR:  There is no one else.
THE COURT:  Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR:  After The New York Times, I read mostly
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THE COURT:  Clubs or organizations?
JUROR:  None.
THE COURT:  How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR:  Go to a lot of theater, concerts, movies, and
eating.
THE COURT:  Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  No. 188.
JUROR:  From Manhattan, Hell's Kitchen.
THE COURT:  Okay.  You've been there for the last five
years?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  How far did you go in school?
JUROR:  A bachelor's degree.
THE COURT:  In what subject?
JUROR:  Psychology.
THE COURT:  Your current job?
JUROR:  Case manager for housing.
THE COURT:  Case manager for housing did you say?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Are there any other adults in your home

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who work?
JUROR:  Yes, my mom.
THE COURT:  What does she do?
JUROR:  Inspection for a company for jewelry.
THE COURT:  Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR:  No.  I like social media.
THE COURT:  And any particular type of social media?
JUROR:  All of them.  Instagram -- Instagram,
Facebook, Snapchat, TikTok.
THE COURT:  How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR:  With my family.
THE COURT:  Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  My sister is part of the NYPD, so a little bit
of bias, but --
THE COURT:  So what is it that she does for the NYPD?
JUROR:  She's a police officer.
THE COURT:  So what do you mean a little bit of bias?
JUROR:  I just feel that sometimes they are mistreated
in their job.  They work too many hours.  They are pushed
beyond their limits a lot.  So I just feel that like the
government job itself, they should be like less enforced on
them.
THE COURT:  So I agree that government jobs should not
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So your sister has decided to do a very difficult job.
And she puts herself at risk in order to help her community,
and so that is noble.  And sometimes people don't appreciate
that.  Sometimes people can be rude or even abusive towards
police officers.
But then there are those people who have deep 
appreciation for the police and who don't do anything that 
would be harmful or offensive towards the police.  Would you 
agree with me on that? 
JUROR:  I guess so.  But I guess more recently we've
seen cases like when the police officers are abusing, I guess,
civilians.  And I guess people take that thinking that the
police officers don't do their job well.  And they think that
they're all one person, I'd say.
THE COURT:  So you're saying that there are some
incidents that have gotten a lot of media attention where a bad
cop is doing bad things, and then people sometimes will
generalize about all other cops, is that what you're saying?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Okay.  Yeah, sometimes that does happen,
that people generalize and stereotype.  But there are those who
appreciate that there are police officers who are competent and
do their jobs with integrity; is that right?
JUROR:  Yes.
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witnesses in this case.  And my question for you is can you
evaluate their testimony in the same way that you would
evaluate any other person's testimony?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  So what I mean by that is would you have a
bias in favor of a law enforcement witness?
JUROR:  I don't think so, no.
THE COURT:  So it does call for a yes or no answer.
Do you feel certain that you would not have a bias in 
favor of a law enforcement witness? 
JUROR:  Not 100 percent, I would say.
THE COURT:  Okay.  All right.  Thank you for your
candor.
Counsel, if you'll approach. 
(At sidebar) 
MR. KAMARAJU:  Sorry.
THE COURT:  No, no, no.  I asked you to tell me.  So
why don't we just knock out the remaining five, even if we end
up going past 5.
MR. KAMARAJU:  We knock out the five individual
questions.
THE COURT:  Yes.
MR. KAMARAJU:  And then come back.
THE COURT:  Yes.
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MR. KAMARAJU:  We need time.
MS. SHROFF:  We can't do that.
MR. FINKEL:  I'm just saying, the government simply is
able to do peremptories after the jury leaves, if it's
convenient for the Court and its staff.
THE COURT:  So my only concern is the marshals.
Because they have a particular routine in getting the
defendants back.  And so I have to make an inquiry about that.
But I don't mind remaining in order for us to get this done.
MR. FINKEL:  Of course.
THE COURT:  Let's see what happens.
MS. SHROFF:  Your Honor, it's hard for us to confer
with him and also to get him back and not have Mr. Guo sit in
the holding pens for hours at a time because he misses the bus.
So that's my concern.
THE COURT:  Where do you confer with him?
MS. SHROFF:  Well, this morning, your Honor, I was
here by quarter to nine, and I conferred with him in the
morning.
THE COURT:  In the pen here?
MS. SHROFF:  Yes, I did.
THE COURT:  Okay.
MS. SHROFF:  And I think I was the first one here.
And I spent the time trying to figure out which ones he had
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opportunity.  That's what happened yesterday.
THE COURT:  What I'm saying is it's possible that I
might give you that opportunity after we finish today, but I
have to find out from the marshals whether or not that would
interfere with their schedule.
MS. SHROFF:  Okay.
THE COURT:  So I will let you know.
MR. FINKEL:  Thank you, your Honor.
(In open court) 
THE COURT:  All right.  I'd like to go to 189.
JUROR:  189, Rockland County, Monsey.
THE COURT:  And how long have you been in Monsey?
JUROR:  My whole life.
THE COURT:  And how far did you go in school?
JUROR:  Bachelor's.
THE COURT:  In what subject?
JUROR:  Religious studies.
THE COURT:  And what is your current job?
JUROR:  I have my own handyman business.
THE COURT:  And how long have you been doing that?
JUROR:  For myself, about two weeks; working for other
people on and off, four years.
THE COURT:  And what were you doing before that
four-year period?
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Yeshiva.
THE COURT:  Okay.  And are you married or in a
significant relationship?
JUROR:  Yeah.
THE COURT:  And your significant other, what does that
person do for a living?
JUROR:  She's in school for dance therapy.
THE COURT:  Are there any other adults in your home
who work?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Are you involved in any clubs or
organizations?
JUROR:  I go to synagogue.
THE COURT:  And do you like any type of reading?
JUROR:  I do a lot of religious -- a lot of religious
studies, business, anything technical, like mechanical.
THE COURT:  And any clubs or organizations?
JUROR:  I go to shul, synagogue.
THE COURT:  And how do you spend your spare time?
JUROR:  With my wife and, I don't know, chilling
around friends.
THE COURT:  Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  Unless it goes against my religion, then no.
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about.
THE COURT:  So in this case, the only laws that you
can consider are the laws of the United States government.  And
so you could not consider any religious laws.  Would you be
able to set aside religious laws and follow my instructions on
the law?
JUROR:  I would like to say so, but you are what you
read, so --
THE COURT:  So you feel you're not certain?
JUROR:  I'm not certain.
THE COURT:  Okay.  No. 190.
JUROR:  Bronx, New York, Bronx County.
THE COURT:  And what neighborhood of the Bronx?
JUROR:  Grand Concourse by Yankee stadium.
THE COURT:  And you've been in the Grand Concourse
area for the last five years?
JUROR:  55 years.
THE COURT:  Did you say 55?
JUROR:  55.
THE COURT:  Okay.  How far did you go in school?
JUROR:  I went to the 12th.
THE COURT:  And what is your current job?
JUROR:  I'm retired, on disability.  I used to work in
the hospital for 22 years, and I have a spinal injury.
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relationship?
JUROR:  Married.  Separated.
THE COURT:  And your spouse, what does that person do
for a living?
JUROR:  She used to work for the bank, Manufacturers
Hanover, now it's Chase.
THE COURT:  And are there any adults in your home who
work?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Do you like any type of books, magazines,
or websites?
JUROR:  No websites.  Bible, religious information,
animals.  I have a little Chihuahua who I take care of.
THE COURT:  Clubs or organizations?
JUROR:  Christian, religion.
THE COURT:  How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR:  Trying to heal from the injuries that I got,
work-related injuries.
THE COURT:  And the injuries that you have, is that
going to have any impact on your ability to be a fair and
impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No, it's not.  As a matter of fact, because of
the injuries, I have just some workers' compensation cases
myself pro se, and won some cases, so I respect the law.
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anything about your physical condition that would interfere
with your ability to be a juror?
JUROR:  Nope.
THE COURT:  Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  Nope.
THE COURT:  No. 191?
JUROR:  Westchester County, Rye.
THE COURT:  You've been there for the last five years?
JUROR:  Yeah.
THE COURT:  And how far did you go in school?
JUROR:  Bachelor's degree.
THE COURT:  In what?
JUROR:  Geology and applied biological sciences.
THE COURT:  And what is your job?
JUROR:  I'm a geologist.
THE COURT:  And what do you do as a geologist?
JUROR:  Environmental consulting.
THE COURT:  Have you been an environmental consultant
for the last five years?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR:  Married.
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for a living?
JUROR:  She does marketing.
THE COURT:  Are there any other adults in the home
that work?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Any types of books, magazines, or
websites?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Clubs, organizations?
JUROR:  Professional geology organizations.
THE COURT:  How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR:  Hanging out with my kids.
THE COURT:  Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  192.
JUROR:  192, New York City, Upper East Side.
THE COURT:  For the last five years?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  How far did you go in school?
JUROR:  Bachelor's degree in performing arts.
THE COURT:  Your job?
JUROR:  I'm a financial adviser, financial planner.
THE COURT:  You have that for the last five years?
JUROR:  Yes.

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THE COURT:  Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR:  In a relationship.
THE COURT:  And does that individual work?
JUROR:  As a yoga instructor.
THE COURT:  Any other adults in your home who work?
JUROR:  I employ a caregiver.
THE COURT:  Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR:  I read all current events, news, internet,
magazines, newspapers.
THE COURT:  How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR:  On my couch.
THE COURT:  Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  195.
JUROR:  Juror 195, Putnam County, Patterson.
THE COURT:  Did you say Harrison?
JUROR:  No, Patterson.
THE COURT:  Patterson.
And you've been there for five years?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  And how far did you go in school?
JUROR:  Master's degree in healthcare administration
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THE COURT:  Your job?
JUROR:  Physical therapist.
THE COURT:  And how long have you been doing that?
JUROR:  35 years.
THE COURT:  Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Are there any other adults that work in
your household?
JUROR:  Yes, my son.  He's an HVAC technician.
THE COURT:  Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR:  TV, reading, sleeping.
THE COURT:  Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  No. 202.  Oh, no, No. 199.
JUROR:  199, Manhattan, Murray Hill.
THE COURT:  Murray Hill?
JUROR:  Correct.
THE COURT:  And you've been there for the last five
years?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  How far did you go in school?

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JUROR:  Bachelor's, psychology.
THE COURT:  Your job?
JUROR:  Unemployed.
THE COURT:  What did you do before you were
unemployed?
JUROR:  Advertising.
THE COURT:  How long did you work in advertising?
JUROR:  15 years.
THE COURT:  Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Are there any other adults in the home
that work?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  You like any type of reading?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR:  Friends, family, TV.  I am big into animal
rescue.
THE COURT:  Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Counsel, would you approach.

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(At sidebar) 
THE COURT:  So there are a couple of people I believe
who need to be stricken for cause:  No. 188, do you both agree?
MS. SHROFF:  Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT:  Okay.  So No. 188, dismissed.
Is there anybody else? 
MS. MURRAY:  189.
MS. SHROFF:  I have 189.
THE COURT:  Yes.  You both agree that he should be
stricken?
MS. SHROFF:  Yes.
MS. MURRAY:  Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT:  Okay.  So he's dismissed.
Is there anyone else? 
MS. MURRAY:  202 was not yet stricken, that was the
last juror.
THE LAW CLERK:  And 14.
THE COURT:  Wait a minute.  Remind me why 202 should
be stricken.
MS. MURRAY:  We haven't inquired individually.
THE COURT:  You're saying I forgot to talk to 202?
MS. MURRAY:  Yes.
MS. SHROFF:  And 14.  14 is the leftover who came
late.
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THE LAW CLERK:  I believe he's in the back.
MR. FINKEL:  Is 14 now 205?
THE LAW CLERK:  He's technically No. 14.
THE COURT:  He remains 14.
MR. FINKEL:  With respect to --
THE COURT:  Yes, with respect to his order, when we
are doing the strikes, he is now at the very end.
MR. FINKEL:  Oh, he's at the end.  Okay.  Thank you.
THE COURT:  Okay.  So let me go back and do --
MS. SHROFF:  Your Honor, may we just have one second?
I just want to see if I had --
(Counsel conferred) 
MS. SHROFF:  Your Honor, may I just double-check a
number with the Court, as 174 being out?
THE COURT:  174 is out.
MS. SHROFF:  Thank you.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Okay.  Are you No. 163?
JUROR:  Yes, I am.
THE COURT:  Would you happen to have found out whether
or not you can get more time paid for?
JUROR:  I have not found out.
THE COURT:  But you can do that overnight and come
back in the morning and tell me?
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you if they're going to respond in the morning by the time --
before I get here.
THE COURT:  Can you tell them that it's urgent and
that the judge has directed you to do that as a matter of law?
JUROR:  I can.  I can't predict other humans'
behaviors.
THE COURT:  All right.  Tell the powers that be that
the judge has ordered them to give you that answer.
JUROR:  Okay.  I will.
THE COURT:  All righty.  You may step back.
(Juror not present) 
THE COURT:  Who else?
THE LAW CLERK:  191 is coming forward.
(Juror present) 
THE COURT:  Hello.  So did you hear anything further
about the amount of time that you would get paid for jury
service?
JUROR:  So no.  I mean, I have to do it after this.
THE COURT:  Okay.  All right.  So I want you to make
that inquiry.
JUROR:  Okay.
THE COURT:  I want you to tell whoever it is, whoever
the powers that be are, that the judge has ordered that they
give you that information immediately.
JUROR:  Okay.

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THE COURT:  Okay?  And then tomorrow morning you're
going to come back and let me know.
JUROR:  All right.  Sounds good.
THE COURT:  Thank you.
MS. SHROFF:  I'm sorry, what was his number?
THE LAW CLERK:  191.
MS. SHROFF:  191.  Okay.  Thank you.
THE COURT:  Okay.  So I'm going to now do 202 and 14.
And the marshals will permit you to stay late with 
Mr. Guo? 
MS. SHROFF:  It's not the marshals.  We wanted Mr. Guo
to get back because then he sits in the pen before he goes back
up.  So it wasn't whether the marshals would take him back.  
But, your Honor, may I just ask a question about the 
two jurors that are going to come back with answers tomorrow? 
THE COURT:  Yeah.
MS. SHROFF:  Is that not going to affect how we
choose?  If neither of them are going to get paid, were you
planning to excuse them or were they --
THE COURT:  We'll discuss it tomorrow.
MS. SHROFF:  So --
THE COURT:  In other words, if they come back to me
and say we're not going to get paid for the full amount of time
and that would constitute a financial hardship, then I would
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MS. SHROFF:  Right.  So that's the reason why, so that
we're waiting on the answer for those two.  It's logical to
exercise our peremptories after we hear from them.
THE COURT:  Oh, definitely.  Absolutely.  So we'll
hear tomorrow.
MR. KAMARAJU:  Oh, okay.
MS. SHROFF:  That's fine.
MR. KAMARAJU:  Sorry, your Honor.  We were consulting
with Mr. Guo and then doing peremptories right now.
THE COURT:  No.
MS. SHROFF:  Okay, okay.  Thank you.  That's what I
meant.  Great.  Thank you very much.
MS. MURRAY:  I was also going to note that they are in
neither of the next two sets of 12, in any event.  So if we had
gone to peremptories tonight, it wouldn't have affected the
next two sets.
THE COURT:  Except we have these folks that come up
with excuses.
MS. MURRAY:  No, I understand.
MR. KAMARAJU:  That's right, your Honor.  We don't
know what the morning will bring.
MS. MURRAY:  Just doing the numbers.
MR. KAMARAJU:  Thank you, your Honor.  We appreciate
it.
THE COURT:  Okay.  All righty.

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(In open court) 
THE COURT:  No. 202.
JUROR:  Juror 202, from Putnam County, Garrison, New
York.
THE COURT:  Did you say Garrison?
JUROR:  Garrison, yup, with a G.
THE COURT:  And how long have you been there?
JUROR:  Most of my life.
THE COURT:  Okay.  And how far did you go in school?
JUROR:  Bachelor's degree in business management.
THE COURT:  And what is your job?
JUROR:  I do customer service for radiology at a
hospital.
THE COURT:  You've been doing that for five years?
JUROR:  Yes.
THE COURT:  Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Are there any other adults in your home
who work?
JUROR:  My mother is a graphic designer; my father is
a corrections officer; oh, and my brother works for the Knicks.
THE COURT:  Okay.  The fact that your father is a
corrections officer, would that have any impact on your ability
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JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Would you tend to have a bias in favor of
the government?
JUROR:  No.  I don't talk to him about, like, his job.
THE COURT:  Okay.
Would you have a bias against the government? 
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Would you have a bias in favor of Mr. Guo?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Would you have a bias against him?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  Do you like any type of reading?
JUROR:  More of a YouTube person.
THE COURT:  Any clubs or organizations?
JUROR:  I'm part of the New York State Falconry
Association.
THE COURT:  How do you spend your spare time?
JUROR:  I produce music and I develop video games.
THE COURT:  Not with the birds?
JUROR:  No.  I am on the path to being a falconer, but
I myself just got the permit.  But I do go to the birds of prey
events, yes.
THE COURT:  Anything that would prevent you from being
a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No.

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THE COURT:  No. 14.
JUROR:  No. 14.
THE COURT:  And what is your county of residence?
JUROR:  Bronx.
THE COURT:  And what is your neighborhood?
JUROR:  Neighborhood, Bronx, New York.  That's it.
THE COURT:  I'm asking about the section of the Bronx.
JUROR:  I don't know.  Sections is Bronx -- Bronx.
That's it.  All I know is Bronx.
THE COURT:  Okay.
JUROR:  The street I live in is Bronx Boulevard.
THE COURT:  Okay.  And how far did you go in school?
JUROR:  Finish high school.
THE COURT:  Your job?
JUROR:  I do -- right now I'm unemployed for three
years now.
THE COURT:  And what did you do before you were
unemployed?
JUROR:  Warehouse worker.
THE COURT:  And how long were you a warehouse worker?
JUROR:  Six and a half to seven years.
THE COURT:  Are you married or in a significant
relationship?
JUROR:  I'm widowed.
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Are there any other adults in your household who work?
JUROR:  No, I live alone.
THE COURT:  Do you like any type of reading, books,
magazines, websites?
JUROR:  Well, only book I really read is Bible, the
Bible.  That's it.  I do other reading, but not as -- not a
reader except for religious, you know, religious.
THE COURT:  Do you belong to any clubs or
organizations?
JUROR:  No.
THE COURT:  And how do you spend your spare time?
JUROR:  I listen to music and YouTube.
THE COURT:  Is there anything that would prevent you
from being a fair and impartial juror in this case?
JUROR:  No, no.
THE COURT:  All righty.  Counsel, please step up.
(At sidebar) 
THE COURT:  I just want to go over those who are being
dismissed:  101, 102, 103, 108, 109, 110 no one showed up, 111,
112, 113, 114, 116, 117, 118, 119, 121, 122, 123, 124, 127,
129, 130 --
MS. MURRAY:  125 as well.
THE COURT:  125 that is, right?  127, 129, 130, 131,
132, 133, 134, 136, 139, 140, 141, 143, 144, 148, 149, 150,
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165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 174, 175, 176, 177,
178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 188, 189, 193, 194,
196, 197, 198, 200, 201, 203, 204.
Okay.  So those are the individuals who will be 
excused and who will not be coming back tomorrow morning.  The 
rest will be coming back tomorrow morning, including the four 
that have been here all day from yesterday, we hope. 
THE LAW CLERK:  I think it's eight.
THE COURT:  There are eight?  Oh.  Eight.
MR. KAMARAJU:  Two should be seated, right?
MS. SHROFF:  Four that are pending.
THE COURT:  We have two that are chosen, but I am not
swearing those.
MR. KAMARAJU:  Of course.
THE LAW CLERK:  Judge, could I read the list of who's
left?
THE COURT:  Okay.
THE LAW CLERK:  So this is who we have left:  104,
105, 106, 107, 115, 120, 126, 128, 135, 137, 138, 142, 145,
146, 147, 161, 163, 173, 186, 187, 190, 191, 192, 195, 199, 202
and 14.
THE COURT:  Okay.  So --
MR. KAMARAJU:  Did you say 190?  I'm sorry.
THE LAW CLERK:  Yes.
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individuals who are not coming back tomorrow.  And when you
come back tomorrow, we will continue with the peremptory
challenges.
Anything further? 
MR. FINKEL:  They all come back tomorrow.
THE COURT:  Oh, yes, indeed.  We really do.  Maybe I
should even bring in -- after these leave, maybe I should bring
in those eight and remind them of their obligation to return.
THE LAW CLERK:  Everyone should stay seated except for
these people.
THE COURT:  Well, you can read the list of those who
are excused.
THE LAW CLERK:  Okay.
THE COURT:  Okay.
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(In open court) 
THE COURT:  Mr. Steinberg.
THE LAW CLERK:  Good afternoon.  The following people
are excused.  We thank you for being here today and yesterday
and for your service.  Everyone else, the names, or the numbers
I do not call, please stay seated.
Juror 101, 102, 103, 108, 109, 111, 112, 113, 114,
116, 117, 118, 119, 121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 127, 129, 130,
131, 132, 133, 134, 136, 139, 140, 141, 143, 144, one 148, 149,
150, 151, 152, 153, 154, 155, 156, 157, 158, 159, 160, 162,
164, 165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 174, 175, 176,
177, 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 188, 189, 193,
194, 196, 197, 198, 200, 201, 203, 204.
If you heard your number, you may leave now.  Thank
you again for your service.
If you did not hear your number, please remain seated.
(Jurors listed above dismissed) 
THE COURT:  I want to first apologize to the jurors
who have been waiting all day long, the eight of you who
faithfully returned.  There were circumstances beyond my
control, and beyond the control of the parties, which caused us
to go a little bit longer than we expected.  However, the trial
is going to start tomorrow, and I need for you as well as every
other juror in this room to return at 9 a.m. sharp tomorrow.
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many moving pieces in a trial, the lawyers, the defendant, the
witnesses, everyone has got to be on time in order for us to
make this flow properly.
One important rule that you must observe now and
throughout the rest of the trial is that you're not permitted
to discuss the case amongst yourselves or with anybody else.
Don't permit anyone to discuss the case in your presence.  And
so I will see everyone tomorrow morning at 9.  Have a good
evening.
And everyone is going to 26A.  26A is the room that
you're going to.
(Jurors not present) 
(At the sidebar; juror present) 
THE COURT:  What is your number?
THE LAW CLERK:  163.
THE COURT:  Yes.
JUROR:  So the first question is, was I selected as a
juror, or was I——can you guys narrow it down, or——
THE COURT:  We have narrowed it down, but we haven't
finalized it yet, and so you may be selected as a juror.
JUROR:  The follow-up question I had was, so I get 30
days of jury time that's compensated.  If this case lasted till
July 12th, which is what I think you said, I have to——I have a
firmwide break the week following July 4th, so I'm not sure if
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THE COURT:  Oh, you mean that this is essentially a
vacation?
JUROR:  Everyone at my firm has the week off following
the week of July 4th.  So what——the reason I bring this up is
because I don't think it's going to be a conflict anymore,
assuming the case doesn't go beyond July 12th.
THE COURT:  Okay.  And do you want to confirm that
then?
JUROR:  I can confirm it, yeah.  I'd have to let you
know in the morning, if I get a response before I leave to come
here in the morning.  Because I have a work laptop, so——
THE COURT:  All righty.  Good luck with that.
JUROR:  I just wanted to let you know.
THE COURT:  Thank you.
(Juror not present) 
MR. FINKEL:  That resolves one logistical difficulty,
because the problem week was the week after July 12th, which
he's going to be off anyway, so in other words, the 30 days, as
I understand it, he's covered.
MS. SHROFF:  That's a really shitty way to spend your
one week off from work.  I think that's what he was trying to
say.
THE COURT:  I just want to make sure that we all agree
that that actually covers the whole time?
MR. FINKEL:  Yes.

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THE COURT:  Okay.  All right.  Well, he'll come to us
tomorrow morning.
ALL COUNSEL:  Thank you, your Honor.
THE COURT:  Thank you.  We're done.
MR. FINKEL:  I'm sorry.  One thing.
THE COURT:  Go ahead.
MR. FINKEL:  So I was thinking through the
peremptories tomorrow.  So if let's say in the middle, the
second group of 12 peremptories are exercised such that three
of them become in the actual jury and there's whatever, six or
so that are left that weren't struck, do they automatically
become alternates or do you sort of have a new group of 12 at
which point we exercise our alternate peremptories?
THE COURT:  So we first get a jury of 12, and then one
by one we consider the alternates, one by one.
MR. FINKEL:  Okay.
THE COURT:  They're not a group of four or a group of
six.  It's one, and then another, and then another.
MR. FINKEL:  Consecutively.
THE COURT:  Correct.
MR. FINKEL:  Okay.  Thank you.
THE COURT:  Yes.
MR. SCHIRICK:  Thank you.
(Adjourned to May 24, 2024, at 9:00 a.m.)

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美国地方法院 
纽约南区 
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美利坚合众国，                
 
           v. 23 Cr. 118 (AT) 
 
MILES GUO， 
 
               被告。参见 Dire     
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                                        纽约，纽约 
                                        2024年5月23日 
                                        上午 9:00 
 
之前： 
 
亲爱的。安娜丽莎·托雷斯， 
                                        地区法官 
 
出场 
 
达米安·威廉姆斯  
     美国检察官 
     纽约南区 
作者：MICAH F. FERGENSON 
     瑞安·B·芬克尔 
     贾斯汀霍顿 
     朱莉安娜·默里 
     美国助理律师 
 
SABRINA P. SHROFF 
     被告律师  
 
PRYOR CASHMAN LLP 
     被告律师  
作者：SIDHARDHA KAMARAJU 
     马修·巴尔坎 
 
ALSTON & BIRD LLP 
     被告律师  
作者：E. SCOTT SCHIRICK

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（Voir dire 恢复了；2024 年 5 月 23 日） 
法庭：早上好。你会做你的
请露面。
芬克尔先生：早上好，法官大人。瑞安芬克尔，
朱莉安娜·默里、米卡·费根森和贾斯汀·霍顿参加
政府。一位律师助理和我们一起坐在律师席上
工作人员专家，迈克尔·加特兰。
KAMARAJU 先生：早上好，法官大人。Sidhardha
Kamaraju、Sabrina Shroff、Scott Schirick 和 Adam Barkan 上线
代表坐在律师席位的郭先生。
法庭：请坐下。
你准备好开始强攻了吗？
SCHIRICK 先生：法官大人，我们本来想快速联系的
侧边栏只是为了在我们开始强行之前讨论流程，
通常只是在流程问题上。
在昨晚仔细考虑这个问题然后看
数字，事态的发展方式，似乎很清楚
我们，我也向政府推测，我们会有一个
今天的陪审团——可能不迟于明天，但可能在今天。
但就目前而言，我们没有第二个 12 子面板，只有
有前 12 个，因为如果我们算上的话，我们总共有 21 个
是正确的。所以我们的建议，如果对所有人都有意义的话
否则，对法院来说，就是通过资格审查
为坐在楼下的人办理流程，这样我们就可以
后面至少还有第二个满的 12 个子面板

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目前的 12 人小组，我们的想法是这样的
至少能看出接下来会是谁。当然，基于
昨天的情况以及我们都知道的因素
在挑选陪审团方面，我们有一个假日周末，
我们有很长的试用期，昨天的收益是
相当低，是一百个中的21个，所以大约是20％。
而我们担心的是，我们当天等得越晚
让现在坐在楼下的人有资格，越多
很可能是收益率会下降。所以我们不想
发现自己处于陪审员较少的境地
坐在楼下的面板有资格滑动
落后于当前的 12。所以我们的建议是，如果是
通过资格赛对所有人来说都是有意义的
为那些在楼下的人准备的流程
前12年的强制性程序。
法庭：所以楼下的陪审员不是
将立即准备就绪。
SCHIRICK 先生：明白了。
法庭：我预计他们不会再待一个小时，
考虑到他们昨天花了多长时间，可能更长。而且我们可以
现在就把这些强权打掉然后直接进去
资格认证程序。而且你是说你会的
不喜欢那样做。
SCHIRICK 先生：是的。我想我们的想法，法官大人，
是，考虑到昨天的收益率有多低，我们越早

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我知道我们会进入第二个 12——
法院：对。但我要说的是，我们可以
在小组准备就绪之前就击倒霸权
上来。
SCHIRICK 先生：我完全明白。我觉得
与法院分享的想法实际上是双重的。一个
是，等到当天晚些时候我们才有资格获得这些人的资格
正坐在楼下，我们知道我们会需要他们——
法院：对。我的意思是我们会
本质上不是在等待。
SCHIRICK 先生：很公平，法官大人。
法院：你不同意吗？
SCHIRICK 先生：嗯，我想 —— 是的，我想越快
我们这样做，第一点越好；第二点
从过程的角度来看，既用于防御，也适用于防御
政府能够知道，对谁是有一定的认识
在第二个 12 和第三个 12 中，肯定会通知
我们将从前12年开始行使专制权。
法院：我理解第二点。我不同意
与第一个。
检方的立场是什么？
芬克尔先生：谢谢你，法官大人。
关于第一点，我认为最有效的方法是
按照法院的指示行事，做好准备
今天早上。

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关于第二点，政府认为是
如果法院愿意的话，现在应该向前迈进
喜欢做。如果法院想等，我们可以，但我们可以
也要好好利用这段时间。那是政府的
观点。
法院：我同意。因此，让我们从
专横的。
芬克尔先生：法官大人，仅此而已
关于霸权的后勤问题，只是为了确保我们
正确理解泳池。对于前 12 个，是
本质上是一号陪审员到第 69 号陪审员；对吗？
法庭：所以根据我的记录，一号陪审员
被解雇了。
芬克尔先生：对不起。是的。
法庭：让我宣读一下我的陪审员名单
我明白自己在游泳池里。2、4、5、7、10、11号陪审员
12、15、34、49、58、69、70、73、77、78、78、79、81、81、83、88、90。
好吧。
芬克尔先生：所以，法官大人，如果可以的话，所以
我们要攻击的第一个可用的 12 个是
2——69 将是 12 个中的最后一个。
法院：没错。
芬克尔先生：好吧。谢谢。
SHROFF 女士：法官大人，我们的打击方式
此时，郭先生无法正确预测

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由于法院的规则不允许，如何对这12人进行罢工
我们要向后移动，所以在练习 10 时，我们没有
知道下一个池中会发生什么，接下来的 12 个池子和
12 点之后。
法庭：我理解你的论点，但我不明白
同意你的前提，申请被拒绝。
请稍等片刻。
好吧。我刚收到法律发来的消息
二号陪审员说这将是一名办事员
她服役有经济困难所以我想带她来
回来了。
SCHIRICK 先生：法官大人，我们有一点要说
澄清。现在是时候了还是 —— 而陪审员是
走进去？
法庭：来吧。
SCHIRICK 先生：问题在于此
下一个子集。我们会被要求进行以下锻炼吗
八还是我们会再排出四强的资格这样我们
在我们运动之前有 12 个小组？
法庭：我们需要 12 个，所以只会是
第一组 12 个。
SCHIRICK 先生：明白了。谢谢。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：早上好。欢迎回来。
陪审员：谢谢。

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法庭：我知道你有想要的东西
可以说。
陪审员：是的。我对此感到抱歉。我的老板——或者我
在大学工作我有一位教授在读——或者我的
老板有一位终身教授——或者，对不起，休假，
而且我正在做他的项目，他们在 6 月 30 日之前需要我，所以
她说放开我会很困难
七个星期。而且——
法庭：那你在哪里工作？
陪审员：哥伦比亚大学。
法庭：那这项工作的性质是什么？
陪审员：我研究的，比如细菌，比如
酵母物质，我也做基因转化。
法庭：你在实验室。
陪审员：是的，在实验室里。
法庭：好吧。那么如果你有，会发生什么
今天被卡车撞了？
陪审员：嗯，他的——他的研究将停滞不前。我是
只有一个人与他合作完成他的项目，而我 —— 我做
为他和我准备基因转化所需的材料
他然后他会做实验。所以这就像一场团队合作
和——
法庭：如果你生病了而且你明白了
你得出局七个星期，他只需要离开
等着你；不是真的吗？

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陪审员：我猜是的。
法庭：而且你将在那几周内获得报酬；
这是正确的吗？
陪审员：是的。
法院：因此，它本质上等于
给教授带来不便；对吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。你可以走出去。
陪审员：好吧。我还能再说一件事吗。我开机了
一种药物，它有点像利尿剂。对不起。
但我有 —— 我大概需要在洗手间休息一下，所以——
法庭：嗯，你会多久说一次？
陪审员：大概每小时一次。我得问你的店员
多次使用洗手间。是——是的。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：如果我们正在受审，我会担心的
在大约三个小时的时间里，我想如果没有
打破。
法庭：好吧。你可以走出去。
陪审员：好吧。谢谢。对不起。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：有人反对我为她辩解吗？
芬克尔先生：法官大人，我们当然要遵守
法庭，但就——她在哥伦比亚大学工作
大学。还有其他实验室技术人员。它是一个大型实体。

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我敢肯定他们能填补任何不便之处，而且
如果这真的是只有她能做的事情，之后她就能做到
3:00。
关于这个问题，医疗问题，她
昨天似乎还不错，而且，你知道，得去
每 60、90 分钟洗澡一次，不管是什么，都差不多
正常。所以我们不认为这是为她辩解的理由
原因。这是政府的观点。
法庭：所以你的立场是我应该
让她休息一下。
芬克尔先生：法官大人，我想——政府
服从法庭，当然是因为你在管理法庭
试用，如果会给审判带来不便，那么我们
听从法院对该问题的判决.
关于第一个问题，我们会反对，因为我
不认为这对她或哥伦比亚来说真的很难
大学。
法院：我同意你的观点 1
第 1 个。关于第二点，我们确实对不起一位绅士
昨天谁说他得了前列腺疾病需要去
经常去洗手间。
芬克尔先生：确实如此。那个人说他有
每 15 分钟去一次洗手间。
另一件事，只是 —— 这个特别的陪审员没有
昨天提到了那个问题还提到了第二个问题

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今天只是在法院处理了第一个问题之后
适当的怀疑态度，我想我在说什么，你的
Honor，坦率地说，我不太确定这是否是一个主要问题。
所以我想 —— 我认为她应该留下来。如果她能活下来，我们会
和她打交道
KAMARAJU 先生：所以我想我们都在同一个页面上
关于第一个问题，但我确实认为第二个问题
这个问题会严重干扰法院的日程安排。我
同意法官阁下确实出于类似原因解雇了某人。
陪审员确实说过她曾请店员休息一下
昨天——我想她说过好几次。事实是
在整个过程中，我们一直在归功于这些东西
准陪审员说。所以我认为她应该
原谅。
法庭：我要去咨询我的书记员。
KAMARAJU 先生：谢谢你，法官大人。
法庭：我的书记员告诉我，她要求一个
早上洗手间休息三次，所以我这么认为
那样会减慢我们的速度，所以我要去
对不起。
我们还有七号人要和我谈谈
私下。她说她做了什么
不说因为她不想当着面说出来
律师。因此，我将举行一次私人会议。随着
当然是记者。

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SHROFF 女士：请允许我们直接来找个建议
第二？
法庭：好吧。
（在侧边栏上） 
SHROFF 女士：法官大人，这是关于口译员的。
法庭：所以你要提出一个问题
记录？
SHROFF 女士：就一分钟。
（讨论未记录在案）  
法院：所以我知道有人投诉
关于口译员，年龄较大的男性口译员
个人，他在误译，还有那个例子
律师给我的是 “一小时” 这个词，他说的是这个词
“一周”，所以这当然是不可接受的，我会的
不要让他继续当口译员。我要去拿我的
工作人员联系口译员办公室让他们知道，
而且我们需要第三个人，或者我们只需要同意
二。当然，就现在而言，为了今天上午的目的，
我们要选两个。
弗根森先生：谢谢你，法官大人。
SHROFF 女士：谢谢。
芬克尔先生：为了记录的清晰起见，我们理解
辩护律师没有像被告那样提出任何问题
无法理解法庭上或今天发生了什么，
口译员提供的服务足够充分

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协助这样他就能理解里面发生了什么
这个案子而且对发生的事情没有人反对
昨天或今天。
SHROFF 女士：记录就是那张唱片，你的
荣誉。我的意思是，我们没有什么可以补充的。这张唱片
很明确。
法庭：嗯，问题在于我们是否
需要从头开始，因为你可能会提出异议
关于昨天发生的事情。
SHROFF 女士：法官大人，如果我们有异议
昨天，我向你保证我们会提出的。那我该怎么办
意思是，既然昨天记录里什么都没有，
我们不会回去筹钱，因为我们知道
我们有责任提出这个问题。所以我知道，你的
当然是荣誉。
芬克尔先生：据我所知，没有人反对
这是 Shroff 女士继续使用那个口译员
今天。她就是这么说的。
SHROFF 女士：我们不是这么说的，也不是这样
法院说了什么。
芬克尔先生：哦。
法庭：我们就选两个
是——
芬克尔先生：哦，我明白了。
法院：——有能力，那个人不会

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再做口译了。
芬克尔先生：对政府来说没问题。
KAMARAJU 先生：我们能不能抽点时间谈谈
关于七号陪审员的问题？
法院：是的。
KAMARAJU 先生：谢谢你，法官大人。
法庭：请让 7 号人进来。
（陪审员在侧边栏；没有律师在场） 
法庭：早上好。欢迎回来。
你不是，什么？
陪审员：7。
法庭：还有你的名字？  
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我太激动了。在—— 所以在 2022 年——我的丈夫
2022年被诊断出患有前列腺癌，他没事，
但是星期一我们现在发现他又得了癌症，所以我
只想知道，比如，我们本来想安排的
我们的下一个计划是什么，所以我想和他在一起，就像我一样
两年前在那里我一直在那个领域支持他
而我遇到这种情况，这对我来说太过分了。它会去
对我来说是个麻烦。
法庭：所以你知道我们每天 2:45 结束，
这将使你有机会去看医生
他要在下午晚些时候预约。

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陪审员：好吧。我不知道。我还以为你们
每天 5:00 结束。而且我来这里没有手机，有
你知道，没办法进来——比如，如果有视频聊天或者
某件事，你知道，我甚至无法成为其中的一员 ——
开会，所以他没有和我沟通的形式。我
我以为我们可以在这里使用手机。我们不能
甚至把我们的电话也带到这里。
法庭：所以你这么说是因为你没有
有手机，你觉得即使能去
预约对你来说太痛苦了？
陪审员：知道他是 JUROR 我真是让人不知所措
再经历这个过程，简直让人不知所措
对我来说。比如，我昨天和他谈过话。我
真的不想在所有人面前讨论这个问题
昨天。我对此感到非常不舒服。但我说，
你知道，让我和法官谈谈看看会怎样，你知道的，
我们能在这里做什么。我只是在分享。仅此而已。
法庭：所以我想谈的是是否，
知道你每天 2:45 要离开，那是不是一个
你向前迈进的舒适方式？
陪审员：是的。这对我来说是一种舒适的出行方式
向前。我以为我会离开这里就像
大概——我昨天 6:30 回家，而且，你知道，所以——
法庭：好吧。所以请记住，我会的
你不要待到 2:45 以上好吗？

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陪审员：好吧。
法庭：好吧。谢谢。
陪审员：好吧。谢谢。
（讨论未记录在案）  
法庭：所以我想向你提的是我
之前没跟你提过的是你休息的时候
从 11:30 到 12 点，我们将提供零食，你可以
那时使用手机。
陪审员：是的，是的，我做到了，我昨天也这样做了。
是的，我做到了 —— 我马上就去用了手机。是的。
是的，如果我有问题，是的。谢谢。
法院：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）  
（在公开法庭上） 
法庭：7号人告诉我她丈夫有
前列腺癌而且她不愿意讨论这个问题
昨天和律师谈了这个话题但她想要
我指出，要陪他去看病
我们将在每天 2:45 结束，我问她是否
知道了这一点她很舒服，她说是的，而且
所以我认为没有理由原谅她。
那好吧。我们在原谅2号，这意味着
我们要通过70号陪审员。
好吧。因此，我将首先听取辩方的意见。做
首先，你有任何强制性的挑战

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分组到第 70 号？
KAMARAJU 先生：是的，法官大人。只是为了记录在案
我们显然会重申以前的正当反对意见
陪审员 11、15——
法庭：我很难听见你的话。会
你把麦克风放在你附近。
KAMARAJU 先生：我很抱歉。谢谢你，法官大人。我
说只是为了记录在案，我们会续订我们的理由
从昨天起对7、11、15和12名陪审员的质疑，但是在
我们今天行使的专制权条款，4、7——
法院：一秒钟。
因此，4号是第一号国防专制。
KAMARAJU 先生：是的，法官大人。
法庭：下一个是什么？
KAMARAJU 先生：5，法官大人。
法院：第 5 号。5号是第二号国防专制。
来吧。
KAMARAJU 先生：第 7 号，法官大人。
法院：7号是第三号辩护权。走
向前。
KAMARAJU 先生：第 11 号，法官大人。
法院：第11号是第四号辩护权。走
向前。
KAMARAJU 先生：法官大人，我们的最后一个是第 15 名。
法院：第15号是第五号辩护权。

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现在我们去检方。
芬克尔先生：法官大人，政府罢工 49。
法庭：好吧。所以第 49 号是政府的
第一号专制权。
芬克尔先生：我们能不能等一秒钟，你的
荣誉。
法院：是的。
芬克尔先生：69。
法院：第69号是政府的第二号强制令。
芬克尔先生：还有第 70 号，法官大人。
法院：第70号是政府的第三号强制令。
所以你是说那是你的最后一个？
芬克尔先生：是的。
法庭：好吧。
芬克尔先生：为了这个。
法院：那么这将使十号陪审员成为第一名
34 号陪审员 2 号——这不正确吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：我想你可能跳过了 12 个以上。
法院：第 12 号？我跳过了第 12 号吗？哦，我是
抱歉。我做到了。所以12号是2号陪审员；然后34号是3号陪审员；
58，第 4 号。我想就是这样。你同意吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：从辩方来看，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：是的，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。那么他们在准备小组讨论吗？
法律书记员：是的。

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法庭：我们有大约一百人要上场。
那好吧。所以我会在小组讨论会开会时告诉你
准备好了。
KAMARAJU 先生：谢谢你，法官大人。
（休会） 
法庭：你可以坐下。
我刚刚被告知那个 58 号，我相信他是
在场，实际上不在场并且已经说过他或她
得了胃流感，明天就会出现。我不知道
如果这改变了任何人的立场。
芬克尔先生：不是来自政府。
KAMARAJU 先生：所以只要我们能理解，我们就会明白
不要让她进入陪审团然后提起下一个小组讨论；是
原来如此——
法庭：我认为那不是这样
政府在要求。那是你要的吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：嗯，我只知道如果她有
胃流感，我知道她希望明天能来，但我没有
我知道我们可以指望她明天会在这里。
法院：这是一个合理的担忧。
KAMARAJU 先生：所以是的，我们会要求你不要坐下
她然后让各方一起进入下一个小组讨论会 —— 我不知道
知道这是否会改变我们的罢工，但是——
芬克尔先生：法官大人，政府的观点是
当然，法院明天可以逮捕陪审团

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早上，我会听从法院和地区工作人员的意见
就她的生存能力而言 —— 这不是正确的词 —— 因为
她坚信自己能在星期五来到这里
如果她觉得自己能做到，我想我们应该带她去
信守诺言；如果她觉得自己还会生病不能来
其中，这是一个不同的故事。
KAMARAJU 先生：那么，法官大人，然后我们就陷入了困境
认为你的候补或陪审员比你少一个
我以为你有，而不仅仅是现在解决这个问题。
法院：是的。我想我没法指望这个
个人的索赔。
芬克尔先生：但是法官大人——嗯，举个例子，
但是 —— 好吧，如果陪审员不这样做，那显然并不理想
明天出现，但这就是我们有候补的原因。还有
当然，你看，如果法院认为我们应该
把她从陪审团里带走然后转到接下来的 12 个
政府不会和法官大人争论的
意愿，但如果她真的觉得自己明天会来，我
我认为我们应该接受这一点并向前迈进。那是
政府的观点。
KAMARAJU 先生：所以我猜政府是
立场是，从所有这一切来看，我们应该向前迈进。如
我们已经说过，我认为法院不理想
在试用结束之前从一个备用部件开始
开始了，所以从我们的角度来看，更安全的做法是简单

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将她移至下一个面板。
法庭：我要去做。所以这意味着
我们只有三名陪审员。所以我要解雇她，
第 58 号。
好吧。
KAMARAJU 先生：谢谢你，法官大人。
（休会） 
法庭：有人告诉我还有另一位陪审员
想和我说话。是被选中的人
担任二号陪审员，前身为第12号陪审员。
KAMARAJU 先生：对不起，法官大人。就是那个
最初被指定为第 12 号陪审员？
法庭：昨天被称为
第 12 号陪审员。
陪审团还告诉我，这是他们的
认为29号陪审员有认知障碍，所以我的
问题是：有人反对我为他辩解吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自辩方，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：29，法官大人？
法院：那是——
FINKEL 先生：哦，那是不是其中一个没有
回来？
SHROFF 女士：法官大人，他确实回来了。他来了
下午回来。我想他是——
法庭：他确实回来了。

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SHROFF 女士：他由陪审团书记员陪同
因为我相信他在寻找发言权时遇到了困难。
芬克尔先生：我只是在澄清他是否是
我们今天早上考虑过的人。我知道他不是。
没有异议。
法庭：好吧。因此，第29号被驳回。
法律文员：律师，你的麦克风往往是
所以在直播中他们能听见你的声音，除非我们全部静音
他们，我能做到，所以很明显，当我们记录在案时，
我们想开麦克风，但是在预览期间，我们有
一切都静音了。
FERGENSON 先生：我想我们可以把它关掉，
所以——
法律书记员：这正在直播到
陪审室还有溢出空间，所以我只想让你成为
意识到这一点。
弗根森先生：明白了。谢谢。
法庭：陪审员到来后我们会回来的。
KAMARAJU 先生：谢谢你，法官大人。
（休会）  
（陪审员在法庭上） 
法庭：早上好。
陪审员：早上好。
法庭：你是什么号码？
陪审员：12。

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法庭：那你想告诉我什么？
陪审员：所以我有我的 —— 我的父母要进城了
在六月。他们自2015年以来就没有来过这里。所以我是
想计划一些好东西，我预订了
6 月 18 日至 21 日在阿玛甘西特举行。然后我检查了
昨天，你知道，一个月前是不可退款的。最多
一个月前，可以退款；之后，
不可退款。而且我在这次旅行中花了 4,185 美元
必须 —— 那样我会输的，而且你知道，不是
我猜我能享受和父母在一起的时光。但是它
确实是钱的问题，我猜是不可退款的
关于它。
法庭：你什么时候制定这些计划的？
陪审员：四月份。
法庭：那你有证据吗
预订？
陪审员：我愿意。
法庭：和你在一起吗？
陪审员：嗯，在我的手机上，我没有，但我是
当然愿意在我的手机上给你看。
法庭：嗯，我是在指挥你给我看的。
陪审员：好吧。当然。
法庭：我会让你发一封电子邮件给
法庭的电子邮件地址，我的法律书记员会把它交给
你，然后我会叫你回法庭。

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陪审员：好吧。
法庭：你昨天为什么没提这个？
陪审员：因为，再说一遍，去找你 —— 好吧，我
想看看是不是——有没有办法取消，
但是——所以我想检查一下以防万一，所以我没有提及
这是因为，你知道，可能是说你有个假期
你知道，这还不够充分。但是当我检查的时候
然后我意识到了 —— 坦率地说，我忘记有多大了
原来的金额，当我检查它是否不可退款时，
这就是我今天提出这个问题的原因。
法庭：那是不是只有你和你的父母去了
给 Amagansett 还是有其他人参与其中？
陪审员：我的妻子。
法庭：好吧。这样你就可以找回你的
用手机发那封邮件，然后我会给你回电话。
你的手机在哪里？
陪审员：楼下。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：好吧。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：所以如果是这样的话
四月份的计划，无论通过什么电子邮件看起来都像这样
是合法的，各方的立场是什么？
KAMARAJU 先生：嗯，我认为会是一致的
与法院对待其他潜在陪审员的所作所为一样

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原谅他已经预先计划好了旅行。我想就是这样
我们一直在和所有其他旅行过的陪审员打交道
在他们被要求担任陪审团之前就计划好了，而陪审团已经
支付了住宿费用，如果出现以下情况，将遭受经济损失
他们没有，所以我想 —— 是的，出于个人原因，你的
荣誉。对不起。Shroff 女士提醒我，在
过去，那些有过私人旅行的准陪审员那个
是预先计划好的，法院原谅了他们，所以我觉得
12 号船会坐在同一条船上。
芬克尔先生：法官大人，政府同意我的看法
相信法院对这位陪审员没有感到沮丧
提一下昨天这个明显的冲突。我想会的
节省了各方的时间。既然我们在这里，如果他有
计划休假4,000美元，但他无法移动，没有异议。
法庭：好吧。所以当我看到
文档，我会告诉你的。
KAMARAJU 先生：谢谢你，法官大人。
（休会） 
法院：所以我有保留意见，这表明
它是在今年 4 月 16 日制作的，是为了
6 月 18 日、19 日和 20 日三个晚上，所以如果他是
被要求服役，他会错过假期。
还有其他评论吗？
费根森先生：不，法官大人。谢谢。
法庭：好吧。所以我要原谅他。

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如果你能把陪审员带回来，拜托。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你可以坐下。
感谢您发送电子邮件。我明白你会的
如果你要担任陪审员，就必须错过假期，而且
所以我要原谅你。
陪审员：谢谢你，法官大人。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：所以那就意味着 34 号是
现在排名第二。
我被告知第二个面板在外面。有人告诉我
昨天的那个 14 号现在在这里，所以我会把他放在
最后，让他成为最后一个人。  
好吧。如果我们能让专家组进来
（陪审团到场） 
（陪审团宣誓就职） 
法律书记员：谢谢。
我现在要用你以前的号码给你打电话
在楼下给的。法官的法律书记员将予以确认
你的身份，你的名字与陪审团号码相符
我们有的，你有的，然后把你带到座位上。在
在公开法庭上的任何时候都不会在记录中使用你的名字。
101 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
102 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
就某种程度而言，你是中较早的数字之一

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100 到 200 的范围，请靠近前方
如果可能的话我知道很紧
此刻挤压。
103 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
陪审员 104，请挺身而出。
105 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
106 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
107 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
108 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
陪审员 109，请挺身而出。
陪审员 110，请挺身而出。
陪审员 111，请挺身而出。
陪审员 112，请挺身而出。
陪审员 113，请挺身而出。
陪审员 114，请挺身而出。
陪审员 115，请挺身而出。
陪审员 116，请挺身而出。
（暂停） 
书记员：陪审员 116，请挺身而出。
陪审员 117，请挺身而出。
陪审员 118，请挺身而出。
陪审员 119，请挺身而出。
陪审员 120，请挺身而出。
陪审员 121，请挺身而出。
陪审员 122，请挺身而出。

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陪审员 123，请挺身而出。
陪审员 124，请挺身而出。
陪审员 125，请挺身而出。
陪审员 126，请挺身而出。
（暂停） 
书记员：陪审员 126，请挺身而出。
陪审员 127，请挺身而出。
陪审员 128，请挺身而出。
（暂停） 
书记员：陪审员 128，请挺身而出。
陪审员 129，请挺身而出。
陪审员 130，请挺身而出。
陪审员 131，请挺身而出。
132 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
陪审员 133，请挺身而出。
陪审员 134，请挺身而出。
陪审员 135，请挺身而出。
陪审员 136，请挺身而出。
陪审员 137，请挺身而出。
陪审员 138，请挺身而出。
陪审员 139，请挺身而出。
陪审员 140，请挺身而出。
陪审员 141，请挺身而出。
陪审员 142，请挺身而出。
陪审员 143，请挺身而出。

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陪审员 144，请挺身而出。
陪审员 145，请挺身而出。
陪审员 146，请挺身而出。
陪审员 147，请挺身而出。
陪审员 148，请挺身而出。
陪审员 149，请挺身而出。
陪审员 150，请挺身而出。
陪审员 151，请挺身而出。
陪审员 152，请挺身而出。
陪审员 153，请挺身而出。
153 号陪审员，我右边的替补席。
陪审员 154，请挺身而出。
陪审员 155，请挺身而出。
陪审员 156，请挺身而出。
陪审员 157，请挺身而出。
陪审员 158，请挺身而出。
陪审员 159，请挺身而出。
陪审员 160，请挺身而出。
陪审员 161，请挺身而出。
陪审员 162，请挺身而出。
陪审员 163，请挺身而出。
陪审员 164，请挺身而出。
陪审员 165，请挺身而出。
陪审员 166，请挺身而出。
陪审员 167，请挺身而出。

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陪审员 168，请挺身而出。
陪审员 169，请挺身而出。
陪审员 170，请挺身而出。
陪审员 171，请挺身而出。
陪审员 172，请挺身而出。
陪审员 173，请挺身而出。
陪审员 174，请挺身而出。
陪审员 175，请挺身而出。
陪审员 176，请挺身而出。
陪审员 177，请挺身而出。
陪审员 178，请挺身而出。
陪审员 179，请挺身而出。
陪审员 180，请挺身而出。
陪审员 181，请挺身而出。
陪审员 182，请挺身而出。
陪审员 183，请挺身而出。
陪审员 184，请挺身而出。
陪审员 185，请挺身而出。
陪审员 186，请挺身而出。
陪审员 187，请挺身而出。
陪审员 188，请挺身而出。
陪审员 189，请挺身而出。
陪审员 190，请挺身而出。
陪审员 191，请挺身而出。
陪审员 192，请挺身而出。

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陪审员 193，请挺身而出。
陪审员 194，请挺身而出。
陪审员 195，请挺身而出。
陪审员 196，请挺身而出。
陪审员 197，请挺身而出。
198 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
陪审员 199，请挺身而出。
陪审员 200，请挺身而出。
陪审员 201，请挺身而出。
陪审员 202，请挺身而出。
14 号陪审员，请挺身而出。
陪审员 203，请挺身而出。
陪审员 204，请挺身而出。
法庭：早上好。
陪审员：早上好。
法庭：我叫安娜丽莎·托雷斯。我是法官
谁将处理这次审判。我们今天早上来是为了
在名为美国的刑事案件中选择陪审团
诉 Miles Guo。
通过这个过程，我们将选出12名陪审员和
六名候补陪审员将审理和裁决此案。
试用预计将持续大约七周，但是
无法预测审判的确切时长。
今天你必须在这里待到下午 5 点
我们今天还没完成评审团的甄选，你将被要求选中

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明天从上午9点整到下午5点到这里。
评审团甄选后，我们的日程安排如下：
你需要从上午 9:30 到法庭出庭
下午 2:45，从上午 11:30 休息到中午 12 点。所以每次
陪审团是选出的，如果你是陪审团成员，日程安排是，
你将在 9:30 准时到达这里，你将在
下午 2:45，上午 11:30 和
中午 12 点
陪审团甄选程序旨在确保
我们有一个由公民组成的陪审团来决定问题
本案公平公正，没有任何偏见或
偏见有利于或反对任何一方。为了做
那个，我要问一些关于你个人的问题
背景、你的家庭、你的一些信仰和态度
关于某些问题，你的就业方式等等。你
应该明白我的提问不是为了窥探
你的生活，但为了确保我们选择公平和公正的选择
陪审员——也就是说，不受先入为主的陪审员
可能阻止他们回归的观念或偏见
公平和公正的裁决，完全基于证据或缺乏证据
证据。
如果由于任何原因你无法担任博览会
还有公正的陪审员，你有责任通知我。在
回答我的问题，重要的是你不要说
公开法庭审理有关本案当事方的任何信息或任何事情

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其他可能损害开放心态的事物以及
其他陪审员的公平性。如果问题要求回答 “是” 或
没有答案，只需回答 “是” 或 “否”。如果还有更多
你认为应该披露但有可能会披露的事项
倾向于影响其他陪审员，你可以要求接触
替补席来讨论这些问题。
如果您被选中任职，将为您提供服务
早上有小点心，晚上吃点小吃
每天午休。
正如我所说，这是一起刑事案件。被告，
郭文贵被指控犯下12项联邦罪行
在一份名为起诉书的文件中。起诉书本身是
不是证据。它仅包含以下费用
政府必须证明令陪审团满意
不容置疑。我会告诉陪审团什么
这种举证责任是指在出示证据之后。  
被告否认了指控并已辩护
无罪。
我对这起案件的事实一无所知而且
我说的都不是证据。但是，我将简要介绍一下
讨论收费这样你就能明白其中的原因
某些问题，这样我们就可以确定是否
是不是指控会让事情变得不可能
你要担任公平公正的陪审员。
当然，你们当中那些被选为陪审团成员的人

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将在此处收到收费的详细解释
案件的结论。
在我开始提问之前，我会解释原因
你们每个人都被分配了一个号码，将由以下人员打电话
只有你的号码。此案将在部分审理之前审理
匿名陪审团。陪审员的名字以及你们所有人的名字
坐在这里不会公开宣布。我，那个
法院管理人员、被告、辩护律师、
检方我的书记员会知道你的名字但再说一遍
不会与公众共享。陪审员是谁
最终被选中可以互相分享他们的名字，但是
在公开法庭上，绝不会提及任何陪审员的名字。
这个案子引起了媒体的关注，那就是
可能会继续。使用部分匿名的目的
本次审判的陪审团将保护你们所有人免受任何不必要的侵害
注意和侵犯您的隐私，并确保
没有发生任何可能干扰你的公正性的事情
客观研究证据和法律的适用。
我现在要向你简要介绍一下这些指控
在这种情况下。
起诉书包括12项指控或罪名。这个
政府指控被告经营了四起欺诈活动
投资计划是犯罪集团的一部分。这个词
“犯罪集团” 也被称为敲诈勒索或
RICO 企业。

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第一项罪状指控被告串谋
经营犯罪集团。
第二、三和四项罪状指控被告犯有
串谋实施电汇欺诈、银行欺诈、证券欺诈，
以及洗钱罪。
第五和第六项罪状指控被告犯有
证券欺诈和与私人有关的电汇欺诈
为一家名为GTV的媒体公司进行股票发行。
第七和第八项罪状指控被告使用电汇
与向某人提供的贷款有关的欺诈和证券欺诈
名为喜马拉雅农场联盟的组织。
第九和十项罪状指控被告使用电汇
与生活方式有关的欺诈和证券欺诈
名为 G Clubs 的会员公司。
第十一号罪状指控被告犯有电汇欺诈罪
与喜马拉雅交易所有联系，有些人有
被描述为加密货币生态系统。
最后，第十二号罪状指控被告犯有
使用来自以下来源的资金进行1亿美元的电汇
犯罪。
被告不认罪，据推测
除非他被证明有罪，否则这些指控是无罪的
毫无疑问，我将把这些规则描述为
我们继续。我简要地讨论了这些指控，不是出于目的
要给你任何指示，但只是为了让你明白

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在我们进行陪审团甄选时要考虑他们。
我现在要问一些整件事的问题
组。如果你不想在公开场合给出答案，那就是
请告诉我，律师和我将在替补席上听取你的意见。
如果你对这些问题的答案是肯定的，请
举手这样我和我的员工就能看到你是谁
那么我要么公开地和你讨论你的是答案
求婚或者请你到侧边栏跟我说话
还有私下的律师。重要的是，你们每个人
不要在你们之间讨论我问的任何问题。
（下一页继续）

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法院：在我们审查了几名将军之后
作为一个小组一起提问，然后我会问你们每个人
关于你自己的个人背景。
在讯问过程中，你可能会被原谅
在本案中担任陪审员。如果你碰巧被原谅了
不要认为这是对你个人的反映。这是
都是我们司法系统的一部分，其目的是提供
双方都有一个公平和公正的陪审团。你会做的
你的存在和服役意愿是你的责任。
你们当中有人有听力问题吗？
会阻止你担任陪审员的愿景？
陪审员：是的，我的愿景发生了变化。
法庭：如果你愿意等一会儿。
如果你愿意说出你的电话号码 
陪审员：我的号码是 117。而且我的愿景已经改变了。
而且我目前没有能反映我视野的眼镜
是。我可以戴眼镜近距离看见，但除此之外还有其他东西
很模糊。
法庭：你能看到法庭记者吗，
速记员，他穿着黑色外套和一件红色外套在场
衬衫？
陪审员：我能看见她而且她很模糊，但我能看见
她的。
法庭：好吧。还有别的吗？
陪审员：关于我的愿景？

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法院：愿景还是听证会？
陪审员：哦，不，不是。没有别的了。
法庭：好吧。还有人吗？
你为什么服用任何药物吗？
有任何与健康相关的问题会阻止你
担任陪审员？
好吧。你可以加紧努力。 
律师。
（在侧边栏上） 
法院：关于第117号，她说她
视力模糊。有人反对我的借口吗
她？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自辩方，法官大人。
芬克尔先生：没有异议。
法庭：好吧。因此，第117号被驳回。
好吧。那么，让我们让第一个人来吧 
向前。 
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：那好吧，先生。你是什么
数字？
陪审员：103。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：本周我的医生告诉我有
可能有心脏病，接下来将开始一系列检查
周。我有家族史。我爸刚吃了三连胜

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绕过，所以考虑到这个长度
试用，非常担心我得等那么久才能做
这些测试。
法庭：你是说你有三连胜吗
绕过？
陪审员：我父亲做到了。
法庭：你父亲做到了？
陪审员：是的，有家族史。
法庭：因此，如果你被选入陪审团，我们
每天 2:45 停下来；这样你就可以去
下午晚些时候的预约。会不会是——
陪审员：我的意思是，我不知道是什么样的延迟 —— 我
我知道我们已经有第一件事的时间表了
下周早上。我不知道他们能否改期
他们。我知道这个试用期的长度待定，所以我不知道
怎么样——
法庭：所以我会请你退后一步。谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：有人反对我为他辩解吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自辩方，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你能告诉我你的电话号码吗。
陪审员：154。

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法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以大概三周前我中风了。还有我
六月份会有多次预约，因为他们没有
知道中风的原因。
法庭：好吧。我很抱歉听到这个消息。还有我
祝你早日康复。
陪审员：谢谢。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：那是 154 吗？
MURRAY 女士：是的，法官大人。
法庭：有人反对为她辩解吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自辩方，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：121。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXX。
法庭：XXXXXX？
陪审员：XXXXX。
法院：你的问题是什么？
陪审员：我不能长时间坐着或站立

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因为我有两个椎间盘突出和一个侧关节功能障碍
由于关节失调。
法院：好吧。好吧，希望你能康复
由此。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的第 121 号借口吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：好吧，先生。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：138。
法院：138。那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：赫里伯托·桑切斯·索托。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我肩部受伤了。而且我是
每周接受三次物理治疗。而且我通常
早上 8 点做到 9 点，所以可能得到
在 9:30 之前会出现问题。
法庭：所以我们每天在 2:45 停下来。
你能在下午做吗？
陪审员：我会看看能不能把时间表改成
在 5 点做或者 —— 他们一直开放到 —— 我想 6 是他们最后一次
他们预约。
法庭：好吧。再说一遍，又是你的电话号码？
陪审员：138。

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法庭：好吧。好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：好吧。因此，我们将看看他会发生什么。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。请问你的电话号码？
陪审员：165。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我得了癫痫病。而且我正在服用那种药物
干扰短期记忆和单词检索。
法院：明白了。好吧。
谢谢。你可以退后一步。 
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的借口 No.
165？
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
KAMARAJU 先生：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：170。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以我有 PE，这是一种肺栓塞；

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还有深静脉血栓，一个在上半身，一个在腿部。我
每天服用三次药物，即注射剂，
血液稀释剂注射。基本上，静止不动
长时间无济于事，会导致血块，
我现在腿上确实有血块。但我还得来
因为我现在要住院了
法庭：好吧，先生。我希望你好起来。  
你可以退后一步。 
陪审员：这是一辈子的事情，所以谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的第 170 号借口吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：171。
法院：你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：子宫内膜异位症。我最近被诊断出患有
是上个月的。我下个月要做活检。
法庭：所以我们每天在 2:45 停下来。你能不能
安排下午的活检？
陪审员：我可以，但是 —— 以及 —— 对不起。
我的痛苦使我虚弱了大约两到三年
连续几天。所以有时候我甚至无法摆脱困境

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有时睡觉。
法庭：好吧。好吧，我希望你能明白
更好。
陪审员：谢谢。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的第171号借口吗？
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
KAMARAJU 先生：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：159。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我的处方是受管制药物
注意力缺陷多动障碍的医生；并且需要在特定时间服用
一整天。我很担心法院的
日程安排，没有时间表我就无法维持这个日程安排
一整天都在服药。
法庭：你什么时候需要出庭？
陪审员：8、11 和 1 — 8、11 和 2。
法庭：所以如果我确保你能接受
在那个时候，你能服役吗？
陪审员：是的。

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法庭：那好吧。又是你的电话号码？
陪审员：159。
法庭：好吧。谢谢。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
SHROFF 女士：你想问他有没有
对麻醉物质的影响？我很高兴离开它，我是
如果你愿意，只是在建议。
法庭：好吧。我们可以把他带回来。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你正在服用的这种药物，
这会影响你在... 中的运作能力吗
法庭？
陪审员：我稍微脱水一点，我需要一点
水；但是，我的意思是，这只是为了集中精力。
法庭：所以有了药物你就能做到
正常对焦？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。谢谢。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：好吧。
所以我认为没有理由解雇他。 
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
KAMARAJU 先生：不，法官大人。

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（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。请问你的电话号码？
陪审员：134。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以我正在进行多项临床试验
骨髓瘤。这是一种血液癌。所以我正在接受临床治疗
审判。所以我得定期抽血样本，我去
在 MSK 接受测试。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的借口 No.
134？
KAMARAJU 先生：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：111。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：好吧。在过去的几天里我发现了
几年了，我发现我得多去洗手间
比我以前更频繁。但是自从我去洗手间以来

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大约一个小时前，现在我得再去一次。而且我是
想知道这是否会扰乱诉讼程序。
法庭：那么你会说你需要全力以赴吗
小时？
陪审员：情况各不相同。这不是一个固定的时间表。它是
只是我必须比以前更频繁地去。
法庭：我想确定你是否是
陪审员，当我需要休息一下让你离开的时候，那是
我在想什么。
陪审员：我无法给出明确的答案。
法庭：所以如果我说我要让你休息一下
每小时一次？
陪审员：我想那行得通。
法院：你猜吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：但你不确定？
陪审员：不确定。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的借口 No.
111？
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
KAMARAJU 先生：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？

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陪审员：116。
法庭：请告诉我你的名字。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我正在接受大约三次心理健康治疗
每周一次，用于焦虑和饮食失调。我有一个
我的治疗师的来信。我不知道我是否应该把它带来
不管现在是不是起来，但是——
法院：是的。我能看看这封信吗？
陪审员：还有其他困难的事情，但我觉得
是 —— 她很担心，我担心陪审团的职责是
会让我陷入困境。
法庭：好吧。我有一封来自克里斯汀的电子邮件
Speare to Melissa Halligan —— 对不起，梅利莎·哈利根也是
克里斯汀·斯皮尔。而且 Halligan 博士自称是
中央公园西区353号临床心理学家博士。
上面写着：这封信将证实这一点 
克里斯汀·斯皮尔女士目前正在接受心理健康治疗 
与梅利莎·哈利根博士一起治疗焦虑症。  
斯皮尔女士向我表示，在这个陪审团任职 
时间会使她承受巨大的压力，使她雪上加霜 
焦虑症。   
好吧。感谢您告诉我们。 
陪审员：好吧。好吧。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。

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（陪审员不在场） 
法院：那是什么数字？
SHROFF 女士：116。
法庭：好吧。
不反对我原谅她？ 
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自我们，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：没有。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好？
陪审员：你好。
法庭：你是 151 号？
陪审员：151。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我正在服用治疗高血压的药物而且
焦虑。
法庭：好吧。这两件事也会如此
阻止你成为一个公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：这样你就能坐视不管
法庭证词？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：而且当陪审员一无是处
让你的健康问题变得更糟吗？

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陪审员：没有。
法庭：那好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）  
法院：所以我认为没有理由为第151号案辩解。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你是什么号码？
陪审员：150。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：好吧。这更像是一个问题。
我有一些医疗预约。而且我只是 
想知道这是否会干扰。我儿子得做个手术 
下个月；之后我得和他一起去接他 
程序。 
法院：你知道诉讼时间是什么时候吗？
陪审员：6月12日。
法庭：一天中的什么时候？
陪审员：我不知道。他刚刚告诉我 12 号。
法庭：你知道什么时候会有吗
来接他？
陪审员：每当程序结束时。但我没有
知道 —— 我能找出来。
法庭：好吧。那是唯一的问题吗——
陪审员：而且，好吧，期间我需要读什么吗

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听证会？因为——
法庭：在审判期间你必须阅读。
陪审员：我的眼睛有问题。我得了白内障
手术，现在我有后遗症。所以我去了
医生，专家。然后在 30 号我得回去
他来看看为什么我一直受到感染 —— 不是感染，
我的眼睛一直发炎。所以我有个预约
第 30 个。
法庭：那么你现在是这么说的吗
看不懂？
陪审员：我能读点东西，但我看不见
每个 —— 一切。有点模糊。
法庭：好吧。好吧。谢谢。
你可以退后一步。 
陪审员：好吧。谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：那是 150 吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：是的。
法庭：有人反对我为她辩解吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自我们，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：155。
法庭：请问你的名字吗？

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陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我每个月都会去看肾脏专科医生。还有我的
儿子，他得了脑瘫，每次去两次物理治疗
周。
法庭：然后你带走了他？
陪审员：是的。我是单亲父母。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：对我的第155号借口没有异议？
KAMARAJU 先生：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
陪审员：早上好。陪审员 167。
法院：167。那你叫什么名字，先生？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我正在服用治疗血压的药物，
糖尿病和胆固醇。而且我没法带他们进去
早上来这里是因为这让我去洗手间。我
晚上带走。
昨天我来了，我差点上了一集 
楼梯，爬楼梯。这对我来说太难了。我 
如果我爬楼梯感觉就像心脏病发作一样 
别吃我的药我得在早上带走它们

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但我做不到，因为我需要去洗手间。我不知道 
该怎么做。 
法院：好吧。谢谢你允许我
知道。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：167。
KAMARAJU 先生：是的，法官大人。
法庭：有人反对我为他辩解吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：179。
法院：问题出在哪里？
对不起，在你告诉我之前，你叫什么名字？ 
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法庭：对不起。你能告诉我你的电话号码吗
再一次？
陪审员：179。
法庭：来吧。
陪审员：有两件事：  
我患有慢性使人衰弱的偏头痛，太糟糕了；在 
地板在嘴边起泡。他们通常有大约 
两者之间的间隔为六到十五天。我去过 
用 Bons Secours 神经病学进行追踪。而且我很担心

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一个会发生，这将是一个问题。   
第二，我目前在工作中第三班工作， 
事实证明，醒着非常困难。 
法庭：谢谢你告诉我。  
我希望你的病情有所改善。 
陪审员：我也是。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的借口 179 吗？
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
巴尔坎先生：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：196。
法庭：好吧。那问题是什么？
陪审员：我患有高血压。所以我要拿五个
毫克氨氯地平治疗高血压。
法庭：好吧。这是一种标准药物。
你的这种情况会干扰你的 
在本案中担任陪审员的能力吗？ 
陪审员：我不这么认为。
法院：好吧。
那你就是想告诉我的吗？ 
陪审员：是的，仅此而已。这就是我要吃的全部。
法庭：告诉我你的名字。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXX。

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法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：我认为没有理由为她辩解。
KAMARAJU 先生：同意，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：同意。
法庭：在我的 13 年里，我得告诉你
作为州法官，我从未见过这么多的病人。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：先生，你的电话号码是多少？
陪审员：200。
法庭：还有你的名字，先生？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：嗯，我正在做血管检查，
现在正在测试我的糖尿病和行动不便。服用
火车上下楼梯对我来说是个问题。
法庭：所以你觉得身体很困难
你要上法庭？
陪审员：现在，是的。好吧，当我去上班的时候，我
开车去那里；但是要坐地铁到这里然后往上走
下楼梯对我来说很难。
法庭：好吧。然后你说你是数字？
陪审员：200。
法庭：好吧。好吧。所以你可以退后一步。

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（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的第 200 号借口吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自我们，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：没有。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你是什么号码？
陪审员：203。
法庭：请问你的名字吗？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我有 M.S.，从那时起我一直有症状
晚了。所以我来这里是因为我接下来实际上要预约
一周来找我的神经科医生来讨论这个问题。所以我不知道
知道 —— 我不知道这句话对我来说是不是对的
没有，但关键是我有症状而且我有
即将预约以弄清楚我们要做什么
关于它。
法庭：所以当你说你去过的时候
有症状，是那些会干扰你的症状吗
担任陪审员？
陪审员：我这么认为。我有头晕而且我也有
有点脑雾。所以最近还是很高端的。
法院：好吧。你说你是 203？
陪审员：我是。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。

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（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的第203号借口吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
法院：是这样吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：对。
也许我们接下来要去参加婚礼。 
SHROFF 女士：她还年轻。
法院：好吧。让我们继续前进。
（在公开法庭上） 
法庭：你们当中有人难以理解吗
还是读英语？
好吧。如果你愿意加紧努力，先生。 
（在侧边栏上） 
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好，先生。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：139。
法院：139。
陪审员：是的。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我的英语不足以理解什么
你说。
法庭：好吧。你叫什么名字，先生？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXX。
法庭：那你以什么为生？

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陪审员：只是一个工人。
法庭：你做什么样的工作？
陪审员：仓库。
法庭：好吧。那你在做什么
仓库？
陪审员：只是股票，股票设置。
法院：你做股票。
好吧。你可以退后一步。 
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的借口 No.
139？
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
SHROFF 女士：没有。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你能告诉我你的电话号码吗
拜托。
陪审员：201。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：问题在于，首先，我能读懂，
但要理解，我什么都不懂，特别是
人们在法庭上使用的词语。
法庭：我说的一切你明白了吗？
陪审员：是的。

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法庭：那你以什么为生？
陪审员：我是一名计算机程序员。
法庭：那你在哪里工作？
陪审员：我在教育部工作。
法院：城市或 —
陪审员：城市。
法院：那你的教育背景是什么？
陪审员：我是个音乐家。
法庭：好吧。你是个音乐家。
那么你有大学学位吗？ 
陪审员：我在俄罗斯确实有大学学位。
法院：在俄罗斯。好吧。
你的乐器是什么？ 
陪审员：小提琴。
法院：太棒了。
所以你是说你会感到不舒服 
法庭，你就是这么跟我说的吗？ 
陪审员：我不知道自己感觉舒服还是
不舒服。但是如果我不明白那是
真的很重要，我不能当这样的案子的陪审员
因为这是个重要的案例。这就是我的感受。
法庭：但是你告诉我你有
我明白我所说的一切。
陪审员：是的。不，现在。以前，不是一切。
法庭：不是以前的全部？

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陪审员：不是全部。
法庭：好吧。那好吧。
你可以退后一步。谢谢。 
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的借口 No.
201？
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
（在公开法庭上） 
法庭：如果证人用以下语言作证
你知道而且口译员会翻译证词，会不会呢
如果你不能完全依赖口译员的
证词的翻译？
据估计，本案的审判总共持续了
大约七周，也就是说，直到大约7月12日。我们
联邦假日期间不会开庭，法院也不会开庭
在以下日期开会:
5月27日星期一；6月19日星期三；6月星期五 
28日；7月1日星期一；7月4日星期四；7月5日星期五 
第 5 个。   
请记住担任陪审员的公民责任， 
关于审判的时间长短有什么好处吗 
担任陪审员对你来说是极其困难的吗？ 
（在侧边栏上）

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（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好，先生。你的电话号码？
陪审员：陪审员 101。
法庭：请还有你的名字。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我得在 12 号去加利福尼亚工作
直到 6 月 15 日。除此之外，我的儿子是
忍者运动员，而且他有世界忍者大赛
北卡罗来纳州格林斯伯勒。我们已经预订了酒店而且
一切。那是 6 月 —— 大概从 6 月 20 日开始，可以
进入第 25 关，具体取决于他的表现。
法院：好吧。所以你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的借口 101 吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。
陪审员：103。
法院：是的。
陪审员：我是一家投资银行的项目经理，
在接下来的几周里我有几个不同的截止日期，
包括美国证券交易委员会的一些工作、反洗钱、limine中的反动作——
法庭：你可以退后一步。

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（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：他已经被原谅了。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：先生，你的电话号码是多少？
陪审员：111。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：109。
法院：你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我是一个两岁孩子的主要看护人。
只是预约了很多医生，诸如此类。
法庭：没有人能为你填补空缺？
陪审员：没有。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：有人反对我为她辩解吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：再问好。你的号码是多少？

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陪审员：116。
法院：116。好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：112。
法院：你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我有两个孩子；一个是 15 岁，另一个是
是 11。这15在很大程度上取决于我。他有行为问题。
所以，你知道，我必须照顾他和我 11 岁的孩子
女儿。而且，你知道，这真的很困难。
法庭：当你说行为问题时，他会吗
有诊断吗？
陪审员：是的，他确实如此。他有注意力缺陷多动障碍而且他有行为
混乱。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的第 112 号借口吗？
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：先生，你的电话号码是多少？

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陪审员：114。阿德尔索·塔瓦雷斯。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我最近买了房子。而且我还有一个
孩子上大学。而且我还帮我姐姐照顾她
房租，所以她遇到了财务问题。所以我有很多
我背上有压力，要求我完成抵押贷款和帮助家人
成员。
法庭：担任陪审员你是这么说的吗
会有经济困难吗？
陪审员：我是这所房子的主要养家糊口者。
法庭：你是说你不会得到报酬吗
如果你是陪审团成员？
陪审员：没有。所以我的报酬方式还不够
能够支付我的任何房屋费用或帮助费用
把我的家人赶出去。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我开脱 114 吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：118。
法庭：请问你的名字吗？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。

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法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：这对我来说将是一个经济困难。我是
一家制药公司的客户经理。他们不为任何东西付费
陪审团的职责。而且我预计 1/18 的宝宝，也就是六个月。所以
这很困难。我无法收回钱因为
审判的长度。而且我是唯一的财务人士
在我家里。
法庭：那好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
有人反对我的第118号借口吗？ 
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你的电话号码？
陪审员：123。
法庭：你的名字？
陪审员：XXXX。
法院：全名？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以有几件事。
我在上东地区做过物理治疗 
侧面。如果我在这段时间内离开，我有 
已经开始护理计划的患者。它让我大吃一惊 
基本上可以以遗弃患者为由被起诉。因为我的

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其他和我一起工作的治疗师已经有完整的时间表了。  
我无法将任何人转移过来。就像昨晚和今晚 
下午 5 点到 8 点我要离开法庭去试试 
当然，人们会在短期内进来。大局，如果 
你从我的业务中夺走了这样的收入 
接下来的七周，你可以合法地让我破产。 
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
有人反对我的第 123 号借口吗？ 
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。下一个是谁？
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：122。
法庭：请问你的名字吗？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我有一个三岁的孩子在学前班，而我
我有一个六岁的孩子在幼儿园，我来自
威彻斯特。我在 8:40 送儿子去学校，我的女儿
9 点关闭。我是让他们在那里为上学做准备的人
早上把他们送走  
为了准时到达这里六个星期，我会 
必须找人才能让他们做好准备然后把他们丢掉 
关闭，我做不到。

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法院：好吧。你说你是 122 岁？
陪审员：是的，女士。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的第 122 号借口吗？
SHROFF 女士：没有。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：142 — 等等。124。
法院：124。那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我没有 —— 我真的没听见
你说过。
法院：你的听证会有问题吗？
陪审员：不，注意力。
法庭：那你是说你没有
明白我说的吗？
陪审员：那是我没听见你说的全部话。
法庭：好吧。好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的免责 124 吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。

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MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：121。
法庭：你说的是 121 吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：哦，是的。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
（陪审员在场） 
陪审员：120。
法庭：请问你的名字吗？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：哦，法官大人，我是纪念馆的护士
斯隆·凯特林；我直接负责患者护理。这将是一个
如果下次我能出去，我会给我和我的同事带来负担
七个星期。
法庭：斯隆纪念馆还有其他护士吗
凯特林？
陪审员：是的，但是我的团队的工作人员还是很短的。
因此，七周可能太长了。
法庭：如果你被卡车撞到会发生什么
今天？
陪审员：哦，好吧，他们能应付。
法庭：他们能应付吗？

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陪审员：是的。我希望不是 —— 我不会 —
法院：当然。我当然希望不是。
因此，在你担任陪审团期间，MSK 将向你支付报酬 
责任；是这样吗？ 
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：好吧。没有理由原谅她。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：119。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：问题是我的雇主只付钱给我
五周的陪审团职务。而且我的账单要高得多
超出了法院所能支付的金额。所以我压力很大，我可能不会
获得六到七周的报酬。
法庭：所以你说这将是财务问题
困难？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：对我的第 119 号借口没有异议？
SHROFF 女士：没有。

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MURRAY 女士：没有。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：先生，你的电话号码是多少？
陪审员：102。
法庭：请告诉我你的名字。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXX。
法庭：好吧。那问题是什么？
陪审员：明天我要预约医生，然后
我是优步司机。如果我不工作，我就没有钱。我有
三个孩子在上大学。
法院：那么这将是一个经济困难吗？
陪审员：是的。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的借口 102 吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：先生，请问你的电话号码？
125。好吧。还有你的名字？ 
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法庭：好吧。那问题是什么？
陪审员：我的妻子是 CNA，经常被叫来
做下午班，也做晚班。甚至如此

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昨天发生的。所以曾经有一段时间我的孩子，
是未成年人，必须独自待在家。为此——
经常发生在她的工作中。然后她被叫去一个
老年护理设施和保险。  
还想到我儿子的六七个星期在哪里 
独自待在家里非常令人担忧。有时候 
当他待在家里时，发生了一些不好的事情。所以 
举重，他打破了墙上的玻璃。他试过了 
做饭然后烧掉了那部分—— 
法庭：先生，我理解你的担忧。
你可以退后一步。 
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的第 125 号借口吗？
SHROFF 女士：没有。
MURRAY 女士：法官大人，我只是好奇几岁了
他的孩子是。他说他的孩子是未成年人。还有是否
那个潜在的陪审员有工作，白天有工作，
这样才能符合我们的日程安排.
法庭：把另一个人带回来。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：所以你提到你儿子正在举重
权重。而且你还说他是未成年人。他几岁了？
陪审员：他已经 17 — 16 岁了。他刚满 16 岁。
法庭：在16岁时，通常是青少年
可以自己待在家里。那为什么会这样

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你担心吗？
陪审员：他往往会遇到很多麻烦。
法庭：比如什么？
陪审员：比如在房子里砸东西。
法庭：他有诊断吗？
陪审员：不，但是他 —— 你知道，他以为自己已经 21 岁了
而且他可以做成年人能做的事情。
法庭：那么你是说他行为不端？
陪审员：嗯，有时候。但他还是 —— 他已经 16 岁了
他还是个未成年人
法庭：那你以什么为生？
陪审员：我是人力资源总监。
法院：在哪里？
陪审员：在 Mosholu Montefiore 社区中心。
我们位于布朗克斯。我们为 35,000 人提供服务
每年布朗克斯区和曼哈顿上城，年龄从一岁起
到 101 岁。我负责大约 1,000 个
员工，225 人是全职员工。我有一位助手。
法庭：在这样一个高级职位上，你将
如果你是陪审员就要付钱，对吧？
陪审员：哦，是的。
法庭：好吧。如果你想退一步，拜托。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：好吧。我同意。我不相信他
应该原谅。

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KAMARAJU 先生：没关系，法官大人。我只是觉得
你可能会遇到稍后出现这种情况。
法院：不是。我的意思是，他看起来像个人
不愿服务。我很感激你提出
年龄问题。我们必须拭目以待。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你是什么号码？
陪审员：126。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXX。
法庭：你的姓氏？
陪审员：XXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我有一个亲密的家庭成员正在得到
6月26日结婚。而且我是荣誉女佣，所以我想要
成为一天的一部分。
我也有 —— 我的祖母来自海外， 
谁是 96 岁。然后她问我能不能抽点时间去 
从她年老就和她一起度过。 
法庭：那么 26 日是哪一天？
陪审员：星期三。
法庭：婚礼在哪里举行？
陪审员：康涅狄格州。
法庭：那一天中的什么时候？
陪审员：我想大概是 4 或 5 点。我不确定。

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          南区记者，P.C.
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法庭：所以我们在 2:45 停下来。
陪审员：好吧。
法院：你可以及时到达康涅狄格州 5
下午的婚礼。
陪审员：好吧。
法庭：还有你的祖母，还有其他的
她能和你住在一起的家庭成员？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：看不出有任何理由为她辩解。
SHROFF 女士：我想她很害怕你
老实说，法官大人。
法院：这是一件好事。
SHROFF 女士：我不知道。我想是祖母们和
作为一名荣誉女佣，必须在 3:45 在那里大喊大叫，我会放手的
她走吧。但我把它留给你。
法庭：你同意应该原谅她吗？
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。我们认为她应该
留在面板上。
法庭：好吧。我们走吧。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你的电话号码，先生？
陪审员：127。
法庭：还有你的名字？

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陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我有 7 号或 8 号的旅行计划，
14 日或 15 日，我忘记哪个周末了。  
但是，我也是一名律师。我有两项动议要做 
这周我已经踢过一次了，直到六月下旬。法官 
只给我两次休会 
法院：哦，我们可以解决这个问题。
陪审员：我知道。我只是想告诉你。
然后我在试用日历上有一些东西 
七月的拿骚，我对此并不担心。但是 
这是我担心的两个动议。 
法庭：哦，好吧。因此，让我们把它放在一边。
陪审员：好吧。
法庭：这些旅行计划，你在使用飞机
为了旅行计划？
陪审员：我是。
法庭：好吧。而且你已经做了这些保留，
你付了钱还是没有？
陪审员：是的。情况很复杂。
法庭：我可能会要求你提供这些证据
那个。
陪审员：私人。私人。私人。
法院：私人飞机？
陪审员：私人，是的。

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          南区记者，P.C.
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法院：嗯，这是你的私人飞机吗？
陪审员：不，不是。
法庭：好吧。但是你有明确的邀请
坐别人的私人飞机？
陪审员：是的。我不确定现在是 7号/8号
14日/15日，这两个周末之一。我忘记上面了
我的头。
法庭：那你什么时候会离开，星期五？
陪审员：周四/周五，这两周中的一周。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：好吧。谢谢。很抱歉造成混乱，
但我只是忘记了在哪个周末过去。  
谢谢。 
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：所以在 7 号和 8 号，我做不到
记住——
芬克尔先生：他说的是六月还是七月？
KAMARAJU 先生：我理解他说的是六月。
芬克尔先生：他说的是六月。
FERGENSON 先生：我就是这么理解的。
法院：有人反对我的借口 126 吗？
SHROFF 女士：27。
法庭：127，对不起。
SHROFF 女士：没关系。
KAMARAJU 先生：我只想进一步了解一下

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私人飞机。
SHROFF 女士：不反对，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：没人反对。
法庭：好吧。127 已经不见了。
下一步。 
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你是什么号码？
陪审员：129。
法院：129。那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我是我公司的独资经营者。我是一个
艺术品经销商。我一开始就要参加一个艺术博览会
七月。我们为艺术家的到来做准备。我是为我准备的
商业。所以七个星期不在那里，那我就出局了
业务的。
法庭：你说这将是财务问题
困难？
陪审员：哦，是的。
法庭：好吧。你可以迈出一步 —— 继续前进。
陪审员：我已经为这些艺术博览会投入了资金。
法院：明白了。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：对我的免责有异议吗 121？

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          南区记者，P.C.
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MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：130。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我已经预订了差不多的机票和酒店
六月底八，九天。而且我的孩子们已经不在了
六月的第二周开学，我不在乎。我
没有设置营地。我是 —— 我有一个兼职保姆
那是在我做兼职工作的时候照顾他们。
而且她是 —— 她有一些严重的健康问题。这个
会是她去年夏天和我们在一起的所以我上了小学
在度假期间扮演看护人的角色。
法庭：你说你的号码是 130？
陪审员：没错。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的第 130 号借口吗？
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：先生，你的电话号码？

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陪审员：法官大人 131。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我当博士生已经七年了。
我将在6月6日为我的论文辩护。如果我无法防御
在那一天，既然学者们总是走到尽头
夏天，我要等到 12 月才能为它辩护，而且我会的
失去我的博士后奖学金。
法庭：那你的主题是什么？
陪审员：政治学。
法院：你在哪里学习？
陪审员：哥伦比亚大学。
法庭：好吧。好吧，祝你好运。
陪审员：谢谢。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：对我的第131号借口没有异议？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：请问你的电话号码？
陪审员：132。
法庭：请还有你的名字。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。

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          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD2                
法庭：那你的问题呢？
陪审员：我计划下个月出国。
法庭：你要去哪里？
陪审员：日本。
法庭：而且你有门票吗？
陪审员：不，还没有。
法庭：那你不能移动 —
陪审员：我在那里有家人。我的祖父母是
搬进疗养院，所以我要去帮忙。但是我
还没买我的票。
法院：那么他们的举动是固定的日期吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的第 132 号借口吗？
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
法庭：我喜欢看到这些年轻人提供帮助
他们的祖父母。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你的电话号码？
陪审员：133。
法庭：请还有你的名字。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。

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          南区记者，P.C.
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法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以这是双重的。
一是我丈夫每周工作周出差 
我成为孩子的主要照顾者。所以我 
那些天可能无法准时到达这里而且 
必须在一天结束之前离开才能取回它们 
从学校出发。   
另一件事是我有工作，在工作期间也是如此 
他们上学的时候我会工作我不能错过 
我的工作七个星期。 
法院：那是因为那会是一笔财务问题吗
困难？
陪审员：这将是一个财务困难，确实如此
职业上的困难。这将是多层次的。
法庭：那你的孩子几岁？
陪审员：一是九，一是六。
法庭：而你已经 133 岁了？
陪审员：133。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：有人反对我为她辩解吗？
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
SHROFF 女士：没有。
（陪审员在场）

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          南区记者，P.C.
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法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：134。
法院：134。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：135。
法庭：你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：这与案件的时间段无关，
但如果一切顺利，我将在七月举行婚礼。
法庭：婚礼的日期是什么时候？
陪审员：第 23 名。
法庭：好吧。所以我非常有信心
审判将在7月23日之前结束。
陪审员：好吧。有时候它们会持续更长的时间，所以我只是
想确定。
法庭：是的。不，不，这个不行
那么久。否则？
陪审员：那我就没事了。
法庭：好吧，太棒了。谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：没有理由驳回第135号案件。
（陪审员在场）

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法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：136。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我当欺诈调查员已有 30 年了，
而且我认为我会强烈倾向于起诉。我
我觉得我不公平。
法院：你在调查什么样的欺诈行为？
陪审员：福利欺诈。但我和联邦调查局合作而且
其他机构调查各种欺诈行为。我很熟悉
电汇欺诈之类的东西。再加上我有球场
6 月 12 日听证一个我没有处理的案件
应该错过的。
法庭：你是说你是证人吗
那次听证会？
陪审员：我是 —— 我是其中一个的主管
调查人员。我必须作证。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的第136号借口吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。先生，你的号码是多少？

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          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD2                
陪审员：138。
法庭：来吧。
陪审员：我是一家非营利组织的执行董事，
小型组织。我们人手不足。我做所有的事情
财务，所有报告都是我做的。
我之所以在那里做物理治疗 
早上，这样我就可以休息一天才能报告 
去工作。七周实在是太长了。 
法庭：你是说这将是一场财务问题吗
困难？
陪审员：这对他们来说将是一个经济困难
组织，不适合我。因为那里不会有人
有权作出某些决定, 批准预算,
诸如此类。
法庭：所以如果你现在被卡车撞了，
会发生什么？他们会怎么做？
陪审员：他们不会有执行董事。
他们可能会崩溃。
法庭：你觉得他们找不到
有人来填补你的角色吗？
陪审员：嗯，董事会将临时雇人
来填补这个职位，但我现在是执行董事。
法院：对。我知道你是至关重要的
这个非营利组织中的人。
这个非营利组织叫什么名字？

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          南区记者，P.C.
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O5NVGUOVD2                
陪审员：西班牙裔艾滋病论坛。
法院：西班牙裔艾滋病论坛。
所以最终会有人填写—— 
陪审员：是的。
法庭：— 如果你走了？
陪审员：是的。
法院：而且这不会造成灾难
你缺席了一段时间；换句话说，你确实缺席
去度假，不是吗？
陪审员：我已经三年没有了。工作六天
周。
法庭：我想评估确切的后果
你的缺席。
陪审员：嗯，我是执行董事。我
了解操作。没有其他人有
权限或处理我所处理所有棋子的技能。
是的，董事会可以邀请其他人加入 
临时基础。但是那个人不知道这些操作。  
因此，这对组织来说仍然是一个困难。 
法庭：所以如果你在某种程度上受到损害
今天或者你决定今天退休或者辞职，该组织
会处于同样的位置对吗？
陪审员：我想是这样，是的，法官大人。
法庭：那么有人可以为你填补空缺吗？
陪审员：嗯，我想有人会填的。什么

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我不知道那个人会做的工作。
法院：对。好吧，可能不如一份好工作
你，但必须有人接管，对吧？
陪审员：正确。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：好吧。我不会原谅138号的。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你是什么号码？
陪审员：139。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。
陪审员：陪审员 140。
法院：是的。那你叫什么名字，先生？
陪审员：我的名字？
法院：是的。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：情况是我是自雇人士。我表演
为银行律师提供房地产结算服务，所有权
以每日津贴为基础的保险公司。如果我不为我工作
七周，这是一笔巨大的收入损失。另外，在此期间

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在此期间，我的客户会与其他人建立关系
闭门者；在那段时间结束时，我需要
重新建立工作联系。
法庭：所以你说这将是财务问题
困难？
陪审员：没错。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：那么不反对我解雇第 140 号吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。
陪审员：我的理由——
法院：一秒钟。你是第 142 号？
陪审员：没错。
法庭：还有你的名字，你的全名？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法庭：你能不能再靠近一点。
那问题是什么？ 
陪审员：所以我现在有两份工作。我从 9 点到 5 点工作
在零售实体店；我还有一个
摄像业务也是如此。当生意兴起时
很慢，我会花点时间做视频客户工作。现在，9

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到 5，我们有点人手不足，所以有一位经理出局了，
这并不会真正影响业务。必须造人
在他们不应该工作的时候工作七天。再说一遍，
那只是我的理由。所以有两份工作，在 9 到 5
实体位置。我还有一家视频公司
也要在旁边做。
法庭：因此，审判不会影响视频
生意；对吗？
陪审员：是的，周末我能做的，差不多
在我工作的时候用一块石头杀死两只鸟。
现在是 9 比 5 — 
法庭：你是说你在做视频工作吗
当你在 9 点到 5 点的时候？
陪审员：是的，是的。企业对此很酷。
如果出现故障，没有客户进来，只是在办公室
用一块石头杀死两只鸟。
法庭：所以如果你在 9 点之间的白天在这里
而且 2:45，那么你将无法开展视频业务；
是这样吗？
陪审员：我可以随时做视频业务。它是
9 比 5 才是真正的问题，只是因为我们是
人手不足。我只是在解释我在 9 点到 5 点的时候会做什么。
法庭：那么如果你被卡车撞到会发生什么
今天，在 9 点到 5 点会发生什么？
陪审员：我失去了生命。我可能被替换了

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那个。
法院：那家公司会发生什么
你在 9 点到 5 点工作？
陪审员：他们要么早点关门要么
让我们现在的员工尽其所能。
法院：那么你在那个行业的任务是什么？
陪审员：所以我从 —— 所以我
在旅行中工作，就像一家行李店。我接受了
装运。通常是我和另一个能接受的人。
法庭：那么你在收到箱子吗？
陪审员：是的，是的。
法庭：你认为别人能那样做
你的地方？
陪审员：是的。有点得工作七天。
法庭：好吧。或者他们可以雇人
否则？
陪审员：是的，当然。这也行得通。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：只是需要一些训练，但是，是的。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：我不会驳回第141号案件。
SHROFF 女士：42。
法庭：142，对不起。

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（陪审员在场） 
法庭：先生，你的电话号码是多少？
陪审员：对不起。我的号码是 143。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法庭：那你的问题呢？
陪审员：我计划去日本旅行两周
从 6 月 28 日开始。
法庭：那是一次愉快的旅行吗？
陪审员：是的，这是我全家人的事，是的。
法庭：而且你已经买了门票吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。一路顺风。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：因此，第143号裁决被驳回。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。请问你的号码是多少？
陪审员：146。
法庭：请还有你的名字。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我是一家首席执行官的执行助理
上市公司。所以我只是担心 —— 我敢肯定还有其他
人们还有其他情况，但是七周是相当长的一段时间

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对我来说很长时间。
法院：这是一家大公司？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：因此，你将在陪审团期间获得报酬
服务；不是吗？
陪审员：没错。事实上，比如，在我身边
午餐我昨天也在工作。
法庭：那么你的职责是什么？
陪审员：对不起？
法庭：你的职责是什么？
陪审员：哦，好吧，我的首席执行官经常出差；事实上，
现在他在欧洲。因此，对于我的现场团队，我支持
他们，我们的人力资源团队，我们的法律团队。差不多有触角
无处不在。
法院：那是什么公司？
陪审员：IT。
法院：而且他们还有其他雇员
公司；那不是吗？
陪审员：没错。
法庭：有人可以为你填补空缺；那不是吗
对吧？
陪审员：是的，不是。比如说，昨天我
我必须在最后一刻发这封电子邮件
午餐，坐在那里争先恐后地吃午饭然后找到 WiFi，因为
我没有意识到技术问题，也没有

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这里的技术。无论如何——
法庭：那么，如果你今天被卡车撞了，是不是吗
能找人为那位首席执行官服务吗？
陪审员：绝对可以。我总是可以替换的。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：我不会原谅她的。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：148。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我有三个。  
首先是这对我来说会是一个经济困难， 
因为我是一名顾问，我是一名零工。 
法院：零工。好吧，女士。  
你可以退后一步。 
陪审员：我还有其他几点要说。
法院：没关系。你说这是一个
经济困难，你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：第 148 号？
MURRAY 女士：没人反对。

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法院：没有异议？她很抱歉。
辩方没有反对；对吗？ 
KAMARAJU 先生：没有异议。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你的号码是多少？
陪审员：149。
法庭：你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我是布朗克斯区南部的一名整形外科医生。
而且我的日程安排是提前四个月预订的，
包括手术。而且我不可能奉献七个
周。
法院：你隶属于哪家医院？
陪审员：我在 Bronx Care 工作。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的第 149 号借口吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你是第 150 号？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。

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（陪审员不在场） 
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。
陪审员：你好。
法院：你的号码是多少？
陪审员：151。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以从现在起我的托儿服务有限
学年结束。我有一个十岁的孩子我自己都是
还有我的丈夫，我们在离家很远的地方工作。所以如果我离开
比学年长，那我就没有托儿服务了
为了她。而且我是一名特教老师，到此结束
本学年，所以我们有年终的事情要做。
所以这会给我的工作带来麻烦。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
有人反对免除151号吗？ 
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。
陪审员：你好。
法院：你的电话号码？
陪审员：152。

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法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXX。
法院：姓氏？
陪审员：XXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以我们即将结束学年。
我是一名老师。但是儿童保育。而且我还有一个
八岁，患有严重自闭症的女儿。所以不是
放学后能带她去治疗因为我丈夫
他是一名消防员，所以他的日程安排不太稳定
我的。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的第 152 号借口吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：153。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以我有一个问题。所以下周我应该是
去加州参加一个我无法参加的会议

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改期。而且这个自二月份以来就被预订了。所以我
不要 —— 你知道，我收到传票来得太晚了
为了延期。所以我没意识到会是这样
这么长的过程。所以我不确定该怎么做。
法庭：你以什么为生？
陪审员：我是一名营销顾问。
法院：那你在公司工作吗？
陪审员：不，我是独立承包商。所以我
咨询。所以现在我正在使用 IMG，然后做
在加利福尼亚为 Monsterpalooza 大会安装了装置。
法庭：那如果你没法去法庭怎么办
大会？
陪审员：我是安装人员的一员。所以有
一个在我领导下工作的团队，由我监督
体验的安装和执行。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：好吧。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：有人反对我为她辩解吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：156。

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法庭：请还有你的名字。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以我做了三份工作。如果我能上线的话
这个持续了七个星期，我会专门错过一个因为是
只是夏天。所以我会损失收入的20％以上
今年。
法院：那会是经济困难吗？
陪审员：是的。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的借口 156 吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：157。
法庭：那你能告诉我你的名字和职位吗
更接近。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我目前是一名全日制学生，我也是
晚班工作。所以我不会介意
七周的时间。我的学期在七月结束，我有很多考试

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还有正在发生的事情。所以这是七个星期然后我就开始工作了
晚上很多。
法庭：那你在研究什么。
陪审员：数据分析。
法庭：祝你好运。你可以退后一步。  
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的借口 157 吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
陪审员：158。
法庭：先生，你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXX。
法庭：你姓什么？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我和妻子一直在计划旅行
从 6 月 27 日开始，我们提前预订了整个行程
超过11,000美元的不可退还的费用。
法庭：你要去哪里？
陪审员：希腊。
法院：一路顺风。
陪审员：谢谢。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）

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法院：对我的第 158 号借口没有异议？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
KAMARAJU 先生：我想和他一起去。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：再问好。
陪审员：159。
法庭：来吧。
陪审员：我订了六月份去芝加哥的航班
18 日，6 月 25 日返回。我岳父得了白血病，所以
我们正在整理事务。然后我和妻子要去
那时去芝加哥。
法庭：你是说他是绝症吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：听到这个消息我很抱歉。  
好吧。你可以退后一步。 
陪审员：好吧。谢谢。我能——
法庭：你待在这里。你只要退后一步。
陪审员：好吧。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的借口 159 吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你是什么号码？

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陪审员：160。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：你的问题是什么？
陪审员：我是单亲妈妈。我是寡妇。所以我是
唯一的看护者，我孩子的唯一照顾者，他 12 岁。所以
制作 —— 所以几天的托儿服务没什么大不了的。
但是七周几乎是不可能的；上下班从
罗克兰县在七周内几乎是不可能的。  
另外，我在这个领域工作，我知道可能有七个星期 
甚至可以再等一会儿，视情况而定 —— 而且我有预付款 
7 月 4 日放假，我们在 2 日出发然后再回来 
第 5 天 — 5 日、6 日、7 日。所以我无法理解 
改期。它是预付费的。 
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。我很抱歉。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的第 160 号借口吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你的号码是多少？
陪审员：162。
法庭：那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：我叫 XXXXXXXXXXXX。

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法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：不确定这是否属于极端情况
很艰难，但我有一位87岁的母亲。她一个人住在
皇后区。我是她唯一的照顾手段。她还有另一个孩子
住在新罕布什尔州的人基本上不理她。
她有一系列的健康问题。在最后两场比赛中 
多年来我经常接到电话。我平时得去 
赶到皇后区。   
我住在曼哈顿。我是市区的一名律师但是我 
有非常灵活的工作安排。我可以接听电话 
随时从她那里来帮助她和协助。   
试用了七个多星期，但我没有能力 
白天有一部手机可供我使用就好了 
就我能否在需要的时候帮助她而言，这是有问题的 
到。我想另一方面，她知道自己买不到 
在她需要抓住我的白天抓住我是 
对她来说也会非常非常困难。所以我是 
对此感到紧张。 
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：162？
SHROFF 女士：是的，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。对我的借口有任何异议
她？

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SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少，先生？
陪审员：163。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以我很幸运我的雇主在哪里
为长达 30 天的陪审团工作提供资金。话虽如此，他们不是
资金七周。所以在三周内，如果我被选为
这个案子的陪审员，我没有收入来源。就像
这里的每个人，我敢肯定我们都有开支而且
诸如此类。所以在三周内，60美元不会缩短我的生命
本质上。
法院：会有经济困难吗？
陪审员：在四周之后的三周里，是的，
会的。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
MURRAY 女士：法官大人，如果我可以问一下，现在是 30 吗
工作日？因为如果是这样，那将涵盖六周的
审判。
法庭：我没想到。
好吧。如果你能让他回来，另一个

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绅士。 
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。那是 30 个工作日吗？
陪审员：是的，30 个工作日。所以最多 —— 是的，30
工作日。
法院：原来如此——
陪审员：那是四周大概两天，
本质上。
法庭：不，那是六个星期。
陪审员：30 — 我不确定现在是否是 30 个工作日。
我必须 —— 我得跟进。我没有手机
所以 —— 它在公司网站上。我没有电话可用
往上看。我可以和你仔细核对。但是没办法
让我验证该信息。
法庭：所以在午休时间你可以看看
你的手机？
陪审员：是的。然后我可以把这个传达给所有人
我午休后你们，是的。
法院：好吧。所以我会很期待
听到你的来信。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你的号码是多少？
陪审员：164。

354
          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD2                
法庭：请问你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我有两个小孩，一个三岁和一个
五岁，他们在托儿所兼职。所以
我不工作的日子或者我丈夫的日子
在工作中，我们共同负责接送服务。而且
还有按照学校日历开设的托儿所
结束时大约有两个半星期的时间
这个月他们要等到夏令营才去托儿所，
7 月 8 日开始。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：她已经 164 岁了。
SHROFF 女士：是的，是的，法官大人。
法庭：不反对我为她辩解，对吧？
SHROFF 女士：没有。
MURRAY 女士：没错，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。
陪审员：165。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
（陪审员在场）

355
          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD2                
法庭：请问你的电话号码？
陪审员：167。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的电话号码？
陪审员：168。
法庭：请问你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我是 Mt. 的心脏病专家西奈半岛，我明白了
每周大约有75名患者。我还指导一项培训计划。
而这恰好是毕业和毕业之间的过渡
夏天来的研究员。所以临床上有很多
活动，还有我本来要参加的管理活动
错过了。这将对整体造成极大的破坏
心脏病学系。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的借口 168 吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：169。

356
          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD2                
法庭：好吧。还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我的旅行已经计划在年底了
六月/七月初。我们已经买了票。
法庭：你要去哪里？
陪审员：欧洲。
法院：一路顺风。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：对我的借口 169 没有异议？
MURRAY 女士：没人反对。
SHROFF 女士：没有。谢谢。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：170。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。
陪审员：171。
法庭：而且你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
（陪审员在场）

357
          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD2                
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：172。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：嗯，最近我有一个七岁的孩子
我的保姆，她生了个孩子。而我就是那个把他关进去的人
公共汽车站。他昨天错过了学校。
法庭：所以你是说你没有其他人可以做
带他去公共汽车站？
陪审员：就目前而言，是的，因为她只是 —— 我的
保姆生了一个孩子，那是剖腹产。她就是那个
那是在照顾我的儿子，让他帮我上车。我
我的工作有问题，也迟到了。
法庭：你是做什么的？
陪审员：我是一名接待员。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：我进入的目的就是——
法庭：好吧。如果你是陪审团的职务，他们会吗
为你担任陪审团的时间付钱？
陪审员：是的。
法院：他们会的。他们会的。
陪审员：是的。
法庭：如果你今天生病了而你
我们在医院，谁来照顾你的儿子？

358
          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD2                
陪审员：那个，紧急情况 —— 我要分开了
现在是我丈夫送来的而且他还负责
他。而且在紧急情况之类的时候，希望他能出现
能够在那里陪伴他的儿子。
法庭：但你是说他不负责任？
陪审员：没有。
法院：不是？
陪审员：不，但不像是紧急情况他会的
说 “是”，因为这是紧急情况；我在医院。
法院：对。
陪审员：但是每天都来这里，他说：“不，你
找到你的路，从那时起我正在努力找个保姆
现在。就在最近，碰巧的是，宝宝就像一个
周。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）   
法庭：有人反对我为她辩解吗？
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
法庭：她的电话号码是多少？
SHROFF 女士：172。
法庭：好吧。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。
陪审员：我的号码是 173。

359
          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD2                
法院：是的。还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以问题在于我工作，还有我的丈夫
他接受了肾脏移植手术，他接受了移植手术。所以他在那里工作
家。而且我有一个孩子。所以七个星期，如果有的话
紧急情况，我只需要跑回家。我的意思是，他没事，是 —
一切都很好。他在2016年做了肾脏移植手术
所以他没事。但是他会定期接受体检输液这个
那个，每月输液，这样就行了。
法庭：那他平时会照顾你吗
孩子？
陪审员：不，不，他在家工作，我女儿
去上学。但是，你知道，如果有学校
紧急情况或者我丈夫的紧急情况，那就是 —— 我得去做
那是因为我身边没有家人，对吧。
法庭：那你住在哪里？
陪审员：纳努埃特，纽约，罗克兰县。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：有人反对我为她辩解吗？
MURRAY 女士：法官大人，我看不出有什么依据
原谅她是有原因的
法庭：好吧。让我们把她带回来。我们会
把她带回来

360
          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD2                
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：我想了解你的日程安排。
你工作吗？ 
陪审员：是的，我愿意。我在一家制药公司工作
公司；我是一名科学家。所以我在塔里敦工作。
法院：因此，如果你担任陪审员，
还会得到报酬；对吗？
陪审员：哦，是的，是的。我这么认为，是的。
法庭：好吧。现在，你的女儿，你几岁
说？
陪审员：她是 —— 她刚满十岁。
法庭：好吧。还有她坐公共汽车去吗
学校？
陪审员：是的，她坐公共汽车去学校。
法庭：她去公交车站？
陪审员：不，不，不。我们通常带她去公共汽车
停。还有——
法庭：谁带走了她？
陪审员：要么 —— 大多数时候是我，因为我
放她或者坐公共汽车然后我回去工作。因为我
还必须上班。我正在研究。
法庭：那么你丈夫可以带走她吗？
陪审员：我丈夫可以带走她。我的意思是，他当然是
在家工作，他一定能带她去。但是我的作品
另外 —— 是的，他可以带走她。

361
          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
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法庭：然后归根结底？
陪审员：所以学校结束之后，他现在是
在 —— 她上四年级，所以她去学校做课后护理。
法院：是的。
陪审员：所以她可以在那里待到六点。但是
从这里到罗克兰县，就像昨天一样，我差不多
6:40 我回家了。
法庭：之后有公共汽车吗 —
陪审员：放学后，不，没有公共汽车。
法庭：所以必须有人开车来接她？
陪审员：是的。从学校的课后护理中心出发，没有公共汽车。
法庭：这样你丈夫就可以去接她
车？
陪审员：哦，是的，他能做到。他绝对可以
那样做。但这只是紧急情况。如果有七个
几周，这就是为什么我有点担心。
法庭：所以你意识到我们只是在开会
在 9:30 到 2:45 之间？
陪审员：好吧。
法庭：所以这确实给了你时间。
陪审员：回去吧。
法庭：回家，对吗？
好吧。你可以退后一步。 
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）

362
          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD2                
法庭：好吧。你在那里有很好的直觉。
那她是什么号码？ 
SHROFF 女士：173。
法院：173。好吧。
SHROFF 女士：但是，如果她遇到紧急情况，
政府不应该要求接替她。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：嗨，先生。你的电话号码？
陪审员：174。
法庭：请还有你的名字。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：只会 —— 我的意思是，从工作角度来看确实如此
只需创建待办事项即可。我们有一位新导演从
下个月的博物馆。
法院：什么博物馆？
陪审员：古根海姆。
法庭：那你在那里扮演什么角色？
陪审员：我领导市场部。
法庭：好吧。如果你今天被卡车撞了
古根海姆能找人代替吗
你？
陪审员：当然。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：我想象。

363
          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD2                
法院：是的。因此，任何担任陪审员的人
有工作经常有工作，而我们大多数人都有
工作。因此，您将处于与大多数普通人相同的位置
公民。
陪审员：是的。
法庭：唯一的不同是你会得到报酬。
陪审员：当然。
法庭：好吧。许多人得不到陪审团的报酬
责任。
陪审员：足够公平。是的。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：175。
法庭：请还有你的名字。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：嗯，七周的财务状况会很艰难
对我来说因为我有一些私人厨师的作品
预订的，就像我当厨师一样。
法庭：所以如果你必须出庭，
不会得到报酬？
陪审员：我不会因为那些工作而得到报酬
本月——本月底，6月份的预订。

364
          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD2                
对我来说，这是一个忙碌的月份。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：有人反对我的借口 175 吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：176。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我是我的主要照顾者
三个月大的孙子。
法庭：上帝保佑，如果会发生什么
你——
陪审员：我不知道他们会怎么做。
他们没有 —— 产假将于下周结束。她走了
星期二回来，我上线了。
法庭：保姆呢？
陪审员：他们没有全职保姆。他们
没有钱支付全职护理、工作费用
全职。
法庭：对不起。我不明白你在做什么
他们说他们不能找个保姆吗？

365
          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD2                
陪审员：在七周的时间里，我认为他们做不到。
他们没有保姆。他们是新父母，不是
想把他们三个月大的婴儿留给任何人。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：好吧。我在等着听你的立场。
SHROFF 女士：我不知道。我的意思是，我从来没有过
三个月大，所以我无法发表评论；但我会放开她，
但我很简单。
MURRAY 女士：我们不反对为此辩解
陪审员。
法院：好吧。对不起 176 号。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你的号码是多少？
陪审员：177。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我要去旅行、乘船游览和飞行，要离开
6 月 4 日，直到 6 月 17 日才回来。
法庭：而且你已经为此付出了代价吗？
陪审员：已全额付款。我有文档
如果你需要看的话就在这里。
法院：好吧。好吧，玩得开心。

366
          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD2                
陪审员：好吧。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
陪审员：好吧。我该离开还是——
法庭：不，你留下来。
陪审员：好吧。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：第 177 号，有人反对我为她辩解吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场）  
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：178。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：首先，我的工作不包括七个星期
陪审团的职责。
其次，接下来我有好几次预约 
你说审判要持续七个星期。还有我 
大约两周后还会有一些百老汇的门票上市。 
法庭：什么样的门票？
陪审员：百老汇演出门票。
法院：因此，如果你的工作没有给你报酬，会
这对你来说是个经济困难吗？
陪审员：是的。

367
          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD2                
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的第 178 号借口吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：179。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：180。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我在康德纳斯特工作——我的工作证是对的
如果你想看的话就在这里。而且我监督这家媒体公司，
全球旅游业务垂直领域。我经常旅行
专业地。我的队伍遍布世界各地。而且我有
即将在七国会议中间举行一次重要会议
在戛纳参加为期几周的戛纳狮子创意节，在那里
我必须在6月17日至20日到戛纳电影节。
法庭：如果你被人击中会发生什么
卡车？

368
          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD2                
陪审员：我猜是件非常可怕的事情。而且我会的
是 —— 你知道，取决于我是否受了致命伤，但是
在这次审判的时间里，这将是极其艰难的。
法院：换句话说，康德纳斯特将能够
找人来填补你的空缺；不是吗？
陪审员：不是 —— 不适合这个会议。我是
大多数资深利益相关者参与我的垂直业务。
法院：所以下一个最资深的人可以
参加，对吧？
陪审员：目前我的队伍中有那个空位。我
确实没有适当的保险。我并不是说我不能
去做吧。问题是会不会很困难
无论如何。
法庭：我不是在考虑困难
康德纳斯特。
陪审员：就我个人而言，这将是一名专业人士
困难。而且，另外，我不记得你有没有说过
6月28日是法庭的日子 —— 你说的是好几天
它不在服务中。专业地说，那是我那一天
十岁的孩子要中学毕业了 —— 对不起，小学
学校，五年级。那可能是你说我们要离开的那一天。
法庭：是的，那是休息日之一。
陪审员：太棒了。
法庭：所以如果你是这样，康德纳斯特就会付钱给你
来这里是为了履行陪审团职务的，对吧？

369
          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD2                
陪审员：说实话，我没有 —— 我相信是这样。
那是 —— 我相信我会的。我还没有完全询问。它是
这是我第一次被要求担任陪审团。
法庭：我想让你在法庭期间进行调查
午餐时间。
陪审员：当然。
（陪审员不在场） 
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：她是什么号码？
SHROFF 女士：180。
法庭：先生，你的电话号码是多少？
陪审员：181。
法庭：请还有你的名字。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：三个。
首先，即将迎来一个犹太节日 
我想是两个星期，五旬节。 
法庭：那是什么日期？
陪审员：如果我有手机日历，我就能分辨出来
您。
法庭：这是否意味着你需要成为
那天缺席？
陪审员：是的，我必须两天都在犹太教堂里。
这是为期两天的假期。

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法院：假期两天，你必须是
走了？
陪审员：对。
法庭：然后呢？
陪审员：然后如果我有手机，我可以给你
还有这方面的确切日期。
法庭：我会弄清楚日期的。
陪审员：不，是另外一回事。
我们有两个孙子要毕业了 
巴尔的摩的学校。而且我想 —— 我想是下周或者 
接下来的一周，我不记得是哪个。   
然后第三个是我已经 74 岁了，所以我想我 
在我们等着的时候在某处读一读如果你超过 70 
你可以获得豁免。我 —— 我错了吗？ 
法庭：所以我有 90 多岁的人服过球。
陪审员：我敢肯定你有，但是 —
法院：我不知道那条特别的规则，但是
我会调查的。
陪审员：拜托。谢谢。
法院：是的。
陪审员：但是另外两个不管怎么样。
法庭：那毕业日期呢，你呢
知道那是什么时候吗？
陪审员：我可以告诉你学校的名字。而且
如果我有手机，我可以。

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法庭：来吧。什么学校？
陪审员：有一所学校叫做 Beth Tefiloh。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：在巴尔的摩。
法院：对。
陪审员：另一个是 Krieger Schechter 犹太人
公立学校或日间学校。
法院：好吧。所以你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：我们知道五旬节是什么时候吗？
法律书记员：周二至周四，即11日
六月。
法庭：三天。
法律书记员：6月11日晚间开始。
法庭：星期三和星期四？
法律书记员：是的。
法庭：好吧。你的立场是什么？那个
假日是星期三和星期四；所以这意味着我们
如果他被选中，在那些日子里将不得不错过法庭。
SHROFF 女士：我说我们留住他然后休星期三
星期四休息。
MURRAY 女士：法官大人，我们会说他应该是
原谅是有原因的。
法院：我对这条规则一无所知

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70岁以上，有人吗？
SHROFF 女士：你必须申请豁免。所以
他没有申请。如果他申请豁免，他就不会
一定要来。
法庭：好吧。有人反对我吗
对不起他？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。因此 181 是可以原谅的。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：所以我已经 182 岁了。
法院：182。还有你的名字？
陪审员：是 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
所以我定于6月2日和我妻子一起旅行 
那一周，去伦敦。6 月 12 日我还有我儿子的 
高中毕业 —— 不是高中，从 —— 是的， 
从高中开始，从高中开始。   
但除此之外，我还以为自己想要 
提请你注意，我知道这不是问题所在，但是我 
有非常活跃的白领刑事辩护实践。我是 
一家大型律师事务所的主席兼业务创始人。所以 
我目前有一些针对南区的案件。  
而且整个实践中有很多我需要的案例 
有时会咨询。所以只是 —— 但是，你知道，它只是 
以冲突的形式对个人构成挑战。

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法院：你在哪里工作？
陪审员：在古德温·宝洁。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
陪审员：当然。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的 182 号借口吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你是什么号码？
陪审员：183。
法院：请问你的名字。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以我是唯一在工作的人 —— 我有家庭，
对。我丈夫是残疾人。而且我是唯一的看守人而且
我女儿的母亲。所以能够带我的孩子去
上学并照顾他们，无论他们在学校还是外出
学校的。我是唯一一个照顾他们的人，因为
他身体残疾。
法庭：你的孩子几岁？
陪审员：13 和 8。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的借口 183 吗？

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SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场）  
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：184。
法庭：请还有你的名字。
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我在北部拥有并经营一个养马场
威彻斯特。
法院：在哪里？
陪审员：在纽约卡托纳。而且我把它和我一起拥有
兄弟然后和他一起操作。
你提到有人会遇到困难吗。在 
一月，我哥哥接受了肾脏移植手术，现在是 
恢复。而且我承受着巨大的压力，要求我保持 
业务开展并作为业务的代言人进行管理，同时 
他正在康复。   
我在农场有 100 匹马，50 名员工和 
客户和马的主人，这一点非常重要 
保持关怀和信心水平，我就是这样 
基本上是做双重任务。所以让我远离 
两个月后的生意对我来说将是毁灭性的 
做。照原样，我正在履行双重职责。 
法院：财务状况不佳？

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陪审员：是的。我的意思是，成为对我来说很重要
那里。我有 51 名员工，其中许多人管理严格
因为一切都与护理有关。而且我给药了
马，我正在管理马匹的康复中心，去参加比赛
带着马。  
我今天来这里做一件事并不容易 
为期一天的承诺。我推迟了三次陪审团工作 
因为这些类型的承诺。   
我哥哥正在康复。所以他每周去两天 
去哥伦比亚给他抽血，监视他的 
抗排斥药物。所以，你知道，这很重要 
我在那里观察我们的工作，管理我们的工作。   
而且我已经在面对一个关键时刻了 
工作生活和职业。你知道，我比我更努力 
永远拥有并观察我们为保持它所做的每件事 
一起。原来如此 —— 这对我来说将是毁灭性的 
远离它。 
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的第184号借口吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：法官大人，他确实说自己有 51
员工。即使你询问他的经济困难
他犹豫了一下然后说 “是”，但没有进一步深入

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那个。听起来会更不方便
他就像一个有工作的普通人。根据我们的日程安排和
看来我们偶尔会有休息的日子和周末
其他员工将能够填写。
法庭：好吧。如果你能请他来
返回。
所以我们只选下一个人。我们只会 
请他回来。 
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：185。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我已经预订了年底的行程
六月和七月。
法庭：你要去哪里？
陪审员：我将在六月份去缅因州而且我要去
七月的安提瓜。
法庭：而且你有飞机票吗？
陪审员：我身上没有它们。
法庭：不，我的意思是你买飞机了吗
门票？
陪审员：是的。是啊。
法庭：好吧。好吧。你可以退后一步。

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（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的第185号借口吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：188。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我的工作。我是一名个案经理，我有一个
直接与我合作的客户的具体案例顺序。而且
我 —— 在我的工作中，我是唯一一个为他们提供便利的人
还有法律服务。他们是无家可归的客户。
法院：你在机构工作吗？
陪审员：是的。
法院：什么机构？
陪审员：破土动工。
法庭：那你的头衔是什么？
陪审员：案件经理。
法院：你是一名社会工作者吗？
陪审员：与之有关联。
法院：那么，如果你在陪审团任职，你会得到报酬吗
机构的？
陪审员：是的。

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法庭：那么，上帝保佑你被卡车撞了
今天，该机构的其他人会接管你
案件量，对吧？
陪审员：是的。
法院：什么？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。因此，这可能会给您带来不便
你的雇主，但为你提供保险并非不可能
本质上，对吧？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：189。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：时间长度，七周。我有一个
假日，宗教节日，在此期间。而且我想
还要告诉你，比如星期五，因为是安息日，5
我得开车去的地方已经晚了一点
因为我住在罗克兰县，交通什么都有。
法庭：所以我们要在 2:45 停下来。
陪审员：哦，我只想要 —— 你说明天。所以我

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不确定。
法庭：好吧，让我们假设我们可以提早停下来
明天。你什么时候需要离开这里？
陪审员：比如 3:30-ish，4。
法庭：好吧。因此，让我们假设我们能够
容纳这一点。然后我们就放假了。你知道吗
日期是假期？
陪审员：我真的不知道。我想已经进去了
大概两周。
法庭：你在考虑五旬节吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。我相信——
陪审员：或者是两点半。我没有
给我打电话想要——
法庭：所以我相信那将意味着你
必须在星期二和星期三缺席？
陪审员：是的，我这么认为。它在中间
周。
法庭：好吧。所以如果你能拥有那些
休息两天，知道你能离开
在 2:45 待在这里，否则你就能服役了？
陪审员：我想是这样。我刚创业，但是
不管我说什么，我知道有陪审团之类的
像这样，所以——
法院：所以——

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陪审员：就像我所理解的那样，但我确实发生了 —— 我
刚好刚开始。
法院：什么样的生意？
陪审员：一家杂工企业。
法庭：好吧。那你是什么时候开始的？
陪审员：大概两周前。
法庭：好吧。所以我想你是 —— 是
你现在在找客户吗？
陪审员：是的，我接到电话之类的东西。
法庭：好吧。所以如果你出局七个星期，
这对你来说会是一个经济困难吗？
陪审员：有一点，是的，我想是因为我是
把我的名字拿出来了如果我不接电话
再说了，比如，稍微一点，是的。
法庭：你必须付房租还是还活着
不用交房租的地方？
陪审员：不，我在付房租。
法院：你在付房租。好吧。那你会吗
没有这份勤杂工的工作还能付房租吗？
陪审员：是的，我能挥动它。它
不会很容易，但我能做到。
法庭：好吧。你能付钱买食物吗
还有你的其他基本必需品？
陪审员：是的，我能维持生计。
法庭：你就能维持生计。

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好吧。好吧。所以你可以—— 
陪审员：不方便，但我能做到
做。
法院：我明白。
陪审员：像所有人一样。
法庭：这可能是一种烦恼或
不方便，但你可以以某种方式进行管理。
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。请退一步。
陪审员：非常感谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：好吧。所以问题是是否
不是我们出去——我们休假两天去五旬节。
MURRAY 女士：我们建议暂时留住他，
法官大人。我们可以看到会发生什么。我猜问题是
将取决于这是否会改变陪审员181的观点。
SHROFF 女士：法官大人，不可能这样我们拭目以待
怎么回事，对吧。要么我们原谅他，因为
我们不应该在没有决定的情况下行使专横的权力
不管我们是否要在这两天里坐下来。
法院：所以我有义务向他支付
有机会坐下。
SHROFF 女士：对。
法院：如果他有宗教义务，
问题只有变成我们才能合理地容纳这一点。而且

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既然你是 —— 从那以后 —— 现在是什么日期？
法律书记员：第 12 和第 13 名。
法院：六月。现在是 6 月 12 日和 13 日。
你已经为那些日子会发生什么做好了计划， 
而且我需要知道我们能否说得合理 
住宿。 
MURRAY 女士：法官大人，我们能不能稍等片刻。
（已聘请律师） 
MURRAY 女士：法官大人，我们打算留住他
现在。我们理解施罗夫女士的反对意见。我们可能会罢工
稍后再给他。
法庭：但是你当然不能打他
宗教原因。
MURRAY 女士：不，不，不是，法官大人。
KAMARAJU 先生：我能问一下吗，因为我认为不是
出于同样的原因我们让另一位陪审员去找理由？
法院：不，不，不，不。记得他还有其他
问题。
MURRAY 女士：孙子们即将毕业。
法院：我永远不会有理由解雇一个人
因为他们的宗教义务。
KAMARAJU 先生：我明白。
法庭：他有两次毕业典礼还有一个
他的老年身份问题。
KAMARAJU 先生：我明白你的意思。

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谢谢你，法官大人。 
SHROFF 女士：法官大人，说得很清楚，我们是
很高兴陪审员待在游泳池里，对吧。
法院：是的。
SHROFF 女士：但是如果他在游泳池里，就会有
不要争辩说他没有那两天的休息时间。我们
只想确保政府明确他们不这样做
回来然后说让那个人容纳不到
他是他的宗教仪式。
MURRAY 女士：绝对不是，施罗夫女士。如果他上线了
陪审团——
法庭：如果他们回来找我这么说
已经花费了数千美元，即政府资金
为了让某些目击者坐飞机，我就是这么做的
会考虑。
SHROFF 女士：那我想，法官大人，最重要的
恭敬地说，也许我们可以问陪审员。因为我很漂亮
他肯定会注意那两个假期而且想要
那些休息的日子。
法院：是的。我的意思是我会的
让他有机会在这两天休假。
但是，如果检方回来找我说
政府将花费15,000美元的机票寻找证人，
那我得评估一下是否
这两天容纳他是合理的。

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SHROFF 女士：这就是我们要反对的，你的
荣誉。我认为他有权拥有宗教信仰
住宿，第一；第二，法官大人，
政府就在这里。他们能弄清楚自己是什么
现在是在 12 日和 13 日做的，然后他们才这样做
陪审员。
法庭：我会给他们一些时间
评估情况。
SHROFF 女士：对。也许他们能在 2 点之前告诉我们
在我们必须付款之前的几点——
法庭：或者在一天结束之前。  
SHROFF 女士：谢谢你，法官大人。
法院：好吧。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：先生，又是你的电话号码？
陪审员：184。
法庭：好吧。所以得知你的消息我很抱歉
兄弟的病情我知道他只是在工作
时间有限。
陪审员：正确。
法庭：而且你必须加班因为
他的病情。
陪审员：正确。
法庭：那么如果你是，现在会发生什么
完全丧失行为能力？假设你降落在

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在接下来的两个月里住院，你会怎么样
生意？
陪审员：这将受到严重影响。
法院：怎么样？
陪审员：情况会恶化。我会失去客户的。
我会损失收入。会是 —— 它会分崩离析。
法庭：那你主要是登机吗
马？
陪审员：是的，登机、训练以及大部分
那里的马是客户拥有的。
法庭：好吧。所以我的感觉是
里面的设施不像你自己的那么多
紧邻区域。可能还有其他，但没有整体
很多；我说得对吗？
陪审员：当然，还有其他地方要去。而且
客户可以负担得起他们想做的任何地方。
这与信心有关。所以他们 —— 所以我会输的 
那种信心。而且我会输掉的 —— 我写的 
两次申请试图被排除在陪审团职责之外，而我 
从来没有收到过关于这两个问题的回复，解释了我的处境 
解释情况。我哥哥有个很稀有的 
肾脏疾病。 
法院：我明白了，先生。但是我是什么
想评估 —— 我知道你很害怕
会失去客户，损失收入。但是——

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陪审员：在很大程度上。在一个非常重要的
方式。
法院：有多重要？
陪审员：那会毁灭性的 —— 比如，你知道，如果我
失去一些客户，我将损失收入。我本来会有的
解雇员工。它会分崩离析。我想得到
度过这段康复期。就像你说的，他是
比方说，在有限的轻型任务中回来，而他是
和我做生意的面孔。而且我正在努力，比如，获得
在这段时间内生意兴隆。
法院：那么你认为收入的百分比是多少
如果你担任七年的陪审员你会输的
几周？
陪审员：我可能会损失多达50％。人们。
法庭：你是说人们 —
陪审员：他们明白了 —
法庭：— 谁是你的 —
陪审员：客户。
法院：— 忠实的客户只会求助
他们支持你然后找点别的事情来处理
他们的马？
陪审员：是的。我的意思是，我哥哥接受了移植手术。
我们一直保持沉默直到大概一周前。因为当
客户想要东西，我担心他们会寄给你
第二天开花然后移马。原来如此

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其中的全部压力，比如保持团结。我的意思是，我是
我真的在这里满头大汗地想，比如，我做不到
两个月。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：所以我确实对他很熟悉
客户。我的感觉是，他们期望很高
服务和关注。尽管我不是这方面的专家
领域，我确实认为他能做到这一点是完全可以想象的
失去大量业务。所以我认为他说过
被原谅的正当理由。
MURRAY 女士：法官大人，我们同意。我们遵守
法院。
法庭：好吧。他曾经是一个——
SHROFF 女士：84。
法院：184是可以原谅的。
SHROFF 女士：谢谢你，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：先生，你的电话号码是多少？
陪审员：191。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以我的主要困难是工作责任。

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我是城市里的一名工程师，在一家大公司工作。
很多项目，很多在我手下工作的人，非常紧张
最后期限。
法院：什么类型的工程？
陪审员：环境工程。我是一名地质学家。
法庭：如果你被人击中会发生什么
今天的卡车？
陪审员：嗯，那就不是我的责任了
不再。但是，你知道——
法院：是的。
陪审员：所以我不知道，我的意思是 —
法庭：那他们能再找到一个吗
工程师？
陪审员：我敢肯定他们会再雇一个工程师，
是的。但是他们无法直接穿上我的鞋子而且
做好这项工作。
法院：他们必须有一定数量的
是时候加速了吗？
陪审员：对。问题是，在紧张的情况下
截止日期，这就是主要问题所在。
法庭：那么如果你担任陪审员，你会去吗
由你的公司支付？
陪审员：所以我知道最多两个星期。我到现在还不知道
七个星期。我从来没有被考虑过 —— 或者我从来没有
预计最多七周。

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法庭：你可以在休息时发现，
午休？
陪审员：哦，我可以试试。当然。
法庭：好吧。这就是我想让你做的。
陪审员：好吧。
（陪审员不在场） 
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：先生，你的电话号码是多少？
陪审员：192。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：是 XXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我是一个十岁孩子的单身父亲
将于6月18日完成学业。明天是半天。我
早上没有保险。我负责
早晨。我女儿下车了，我去上班。有
晚上是看护人，但我是一个人做所有事情
父亲。
我是个鳏夫。而且我曾在这件事上担任过陪审团—— 
科琳·麦克马洪过去的法庭。我理解陪审团 
责任。我尊重这个过程。但是，不幸的是，在这个时候 
我请求原谅我，因为我没有空房。 
法院：你住在哪里？
陪审员：在曼哈顿。
法庭：而且你找不到保姆？

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陪审员：我做早上的例行活动。我做早餐，
穿好衣服，然后去学校送学。我不知道怎么获得
保姆将在早上 7:30 出现来完成这个过程
发生。
法庭：你以什么为生？
陪审员：我从事金融工作。我是一名财务顾问。
法庭：而且你知道有
保姆机构？
陪审员：我订婚了。我有一位看护人
我的晚上。她去学校接送然后离开
基本上是八点钟我每天都有一名看护人
课后会议。我上午的课。
法庭：那么你的女儿是什么时候
离开家？
陪审员：她在早上 8 点之前下班。她可以在那里上学
上午 8 点
法庭：好吧。那你住在曼哈顿的什么地方？
陪审员：第 73 名和第 3 名。
法庭：好吧。这样你就有足够的时间了
在 9:30 之前到这里。
陪审员：好吧。
法院：很好。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
SHROFF 女士：你是个硬汉。我本来会的
让他走。

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（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。
陪审员：你怎么样？
法院：很好。而你呢？
陪审员：很好，谢谢。
法院：你的电话号码？
陪审员：193。
法庭：好吧。还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：下周我要去科罗拉多州丹佛市
为了我祖母的葬礼
法庭：听到这个消息我很抱歉。
好吧。我明白。你可以退后一步。 
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：这个数字是多少？
SHROFF 女士：193。
法庭：好吧。好吧。她很抱歉。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：那么，先生，你的电话号码？
陪审员：194。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXX。
法庭：还有 —— 对不起？

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          南区记者，P.C.
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陪审员：我只是有点紧张。
法院：好吧。问题是什么？
陪审员：我花了两个多小时才到这里
要几个小时才能回家，这只是我做不了的事情。它是
对我来说太过分了。
最重要的是，住在下城的一栋高层建筑里 
曼哈顿真的吓坏了我。我受不了待在这里。  
看着窗外我受不了了。我的焦虑程度是 
超越。如果这是审判的目的地，我不知道 
我想我能做到。 
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：有人反对我为他辩解吗？
SHROFF 女士：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（陪审员在场） 
SHROFF 女士：法官大人，我得去见法官
Cote 为 1。
法院：明白了。谢谢。  
你的号码是多少？ 
陪审员：180。我只是 —— 我还要去核实
我的雇主在那里谈到了关于薪酬的问题
打破。但是我不小心给了我错误的日期
女儿的毕业典礼。现在是 6 月 25 日，也就是 25 日。实际上，
开学的最后一天是6月26日。但现在才从 8:30 开始

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到上午10点30分，但现在是6月25日星期二。
法庭：好吧。好吧。你可以迈步
返回。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：好吧。我们现在要停下来
我们将在两点午休后继续。
SHROFF 女士：谢谢你，法官大人。
（在公开法庭上） 
法院：好吧。
大家，请回到座位上。   
我们已经完成了上午的工作，但是我们 
还有更多工作要做。夜晚还很年轻。   
所以我需要你在 2 点非常迅速地回来 
点钟。所以你将在两点钟进入走廊。没来 
进入大楼，不是电梯，而是在走廊右边 
外面准备在两点钟准时走进去。如果你迟到了 
这确实使我们很难自己做工作。  
有这么多人参与其中。所以要及时。   
我想让你不要讨论这个问题 
你们自己。不要让任何人跟你谈论这个案子。  
你不能和任何人谈论这个案子。   
此外，不允许律师拥有任何 
与你联系。因此，如果你在走廊里看到他们，在那里 
电梯，在街上，他们不向你打招呼，他们没有 
看看你，不是他们粗鲁，而是他们

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可能与您没有任何联系。   
吃一顿美味的午餐。   
（Venire 不在场） 
法庭：好吧。是时候吃午饭了
吃一顿美味的午餐。 
（午餐会休会） 
（下一页继续）

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下午的会议 
下午 2:02 
法庭：好吧。我要对其中一些作出裁决
悬而未决的议案。
我收到了政府的信函动议
2024年5月21日，被告的答复日期为5月23日。ECF
编号 344 和 349。而政府首先转向
初步承认被指控者的某些陈述
同谋夏启东和戴大卫，但以下情况除外
传闻规则。政府打算给两个人打电话
我会认出他们是受害者-1和受害者-2来作证
声明。这些陈述包括：（1）夏的指令
告诉 Victimer-1 在哪里汇款以赚取所谓的收入
投资GTV股票，还有夏否认Victim-1的股票
这笔投资的退款；(2) Dai 指示的声明
Victim-2 如何开设某些银行账户以及在哪里汇款
这些银行账户中的资金；以及（3）夏的陈述
致受害者-2关于任命新领导人的事宜
伦敦农场
正如我之前在 5 月 2 日的订单中所裁定的那样，一致
我可以承认，根据第二巡回法院的Geaney协议
有条件的同谋陈述，但须遵守
随后提交必要的证据，以证实
同谋者例外情况适用。这个
政府的议案认为这些言论足够了

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特殊性，因此是理所当然的。
就像同谋者的陈述一样，我有条件地
我在 5 月 2 日的订单中接受了订单，但已部分获得批准
政府议案 1，我将按要求作出 Geaney 的调查结果
闭幕时陪审团不在场
政府的案情，并在必要时给出适当的
限制指令。
其次，政府采取行动排除证据
关于 2023 年 3 月 15 日郭先生公寓发生的枪击事件
雪莉-荷兰酒店。辩方无意
介绍这样的证据。因此，政府的动议
因没有实际意义而被否认。
第三，政府采取行动阻止郭先生进入
介绍任何潜在移民的证据
他被定罪的后果。郭先生再次表示他
不打算提出这样的证据。因此，
政府的动议因没有实际意义而被驳回。
我们正在等待小组成员完成讨论
聚会。
（陪审团到场） 
（在侧边栏上，陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：195。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。

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法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：嗯，我花了大约两个半小时
像从普特南县最北端的地方一样到达这里。
我也是一名家庭护理物理治疗师，所以要失业了
七个星期会有点过分了。
法院：在什么方面？
陪审员：就我的病人而言，你知道，对于
该机构。
法庭：那七周你会得到报酬吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：所以除了通勤之外，如果你是
被车撞了，有人会——
陪审员：你问的是极端情况，所以我
猜猜我的情况不是很极端，但是这个
过程也确实让我有点害怕，所以——
法庭：但是你可以应付，对吧？
陪审员：是的，好吧，我不知道。
法庭：你不知道是什么意思？
陪审员：我从来没有经历过。我从来没坐过
以前是陪审团，所以——
法庭：到目前为止你知道什么吗
会影响你的坐姿吗？
陪审员：不是真的。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。谢谢。
（陪审员不在场）

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（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：你是什么号码？
陪审员：196。
法院：196。是的。你本来要回来的
为我们提供一些信息。
陪审员：关于我——我承受不起输的代价，比如，
再发一个月的薪水因为我们的工资是 —— per diem —— 我
我的意思是，从飞行时间来看，因为我是空姐。
法院：是的。
陪审员：比如说，我的日程安排就像
连续三次旅行；我只能得到差不多的报酬，比如，你知道，
飞行时间我就失去了每日津贴最重要的是，我
刚从伤中恢复过来。我失去了两个月的工作。而且
我正在努力弥补这些收入的损失，实际上，我
你知道我刚从我的 401 (k) 里借了点钱只是为了留下来
漂流，是的。
法庭：所以你说这将是财务问题
困难？
陪审员：正确，正确。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：有人反对我的借口 196 吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。

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（下一位陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：197。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我在一所私立学校工作，从事科技工作
部门，而六月是我们整个离合器货运的月份
年。比年初更忙
因为我们必须收集所有设备，所以我们必须拿走
分开房间这样维修人员就可以重新粉刷、重新装修
新技术。最重要的是，我自己的女儿要毕业了
今年，所以我也有一些仪式要去。
法庭：她是从那所学校毕业的吗？
陪审员：不，来自另一所高中，一所公立学校。
法庭：你知道日期是什么吗？
陪审员：我相信她的毕业典礼是29日。
法院：Of？
陪审员：六月。而开始是私人的
我正在工作的学校毕业典礼以及其他
仪式，向上移动仪式。
法庭：所以如果你今天被卡车撞了，会
私立学校能找人来做你的工作吗？
陪审员：当然。是的，他们必须弄清楚。
法庭：是的。好吧。如果你能够

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6月29日参加你女儿的毕业典礼
否则，你就能服役；对吗？
陪审员：是的，我猜，严格来说。
法庭：好吧。好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：好吧。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：我不会为他辩解的。
MURRAY 女士：法官大人，我想指出的是 29 号是
一个星期六。
法庭：哦。
SHROFF 女士：6 月 28 日？
MURRAY 女士：他在 29 日毕业。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：198。
法院：198。还有你的名字？  
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法庭：你姓什么？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：所以我儿子还有几个星期的上学时间
他有特殊的医疗需求。他患有 I 型糖尿病
我自己，所以当他的学校结束时，他将在家里和我们在一起。
我之所以这样说，“我们”，是因为我妻子也在担任陪审团职务
现在，所以我们不知道 —— 我们原本以为会是这样

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一个为期三周的案子，我们就能没事的。任何东西
比那更长，如果我们俩都在这里，那我们就不在了
能够照顾他。  
法庭：那你有可以的保姆吗
使用？
陪审员：我的意思是，通常我们会这样做，但现在是我们有的时候
我们身上有能够与保姆沟通的设备，
因为我通常会在手机上追踪他的血糖，我是
今天不能。我有自己的，追踪我自己的。原来如此
在这种情况下很难协调护理。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：有人反对我的借口吗
198号陪审员？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自我们，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：201。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：仅此而已？
法院：仅此而已。
（陪审员不在场） 
（下一位陪审员在场）

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法院：你好。
陪审员：你好。180。
法庭：你本来要去看看——
陪审员：我做到了。我做到了。我在 40 年代非常努力地尝试
我离开了 50 分钟，不是为了迟到。我没接通
任何人。然后我打了电话，发了电子邮件，我懒散了。我没有—— 我
没有得到这个问题的答案。我在地下
假设我——我的工作不会受到威胁。它
那将是一个非常、非常、非常糟糕的时期
我跟你说过的会议我的工作应该开始了
重新上线。
法院：明白了。好吧。
（陪审员不在场） 
SHROFF 女士：法官大人，有人有日期吗
她儿子的毕业情况？第 25 个？
MURRAY 女士：现在是早上 25 号。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：先生，你的电话号码是多少？
陪审员：163。
法庭：又是你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法庭：而且你在为我们找东西。
陪审员：是的。所以我得以确认现在是 30
工作日，但这还剩下一个星期我没有
除了我来这里的报酬之外还有其他收入，也就是每年 60 美元

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天。我得问问我的雇主是否有可能
延长陪审团工作天数的期限，但从现在开始
现在，已确认已经 30 个工作日了。
法庭：好吧。我想让你联系你的
雇主——
陪审员：好吧。
法院：——然后进行调查。
陪审员：好吧。今晚我会给他们发一封电子邮件然后
那我猜明天我会打电话给你更新或者
不管怎样。
法庭：我希望你早点这样做，但我是
会考虑的。
陪审员：哦，好吧。你还需要我还是——
法庭：我不知道，不。
陪审员：好吧。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：所以我们可以看到最后的立场
那一天。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：你是什么号码？
陪审员：191。
法院：191。来吧。你本来要做一个
向我们询问。
陪审员：我没能找到答案。所以我没有我的
和我一起工作电话因为他们不让我带手机

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所以我打电话的人不知道。我能在 5:00 之前找到答案
今晚，5 点之后，当我离开这里的时候，但我只是 —— 我没能做到
找出答案。
法庭：好吧。我们会联系的。
陪审员：好吧。很酷。谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你的电话号码？
陪审员：113。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那问题出在哪里？
陪审员：我刚刚在休息时得知我的
在本案期间，公司不会支付我的工资
如果我被选为陪审员，我承受不起不这样做的代价
有这样的收入。我是一个单一家庭——单一收入家庭
五。我负责抵押贷款和三个孩子
私立学校。而且我就是没法见到我的
如果我不打算按工资领取责任
定期进行。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：有人反对我的借口吗
113 号？
KAMARAJU 先生：不，法官大人。

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MURRAY 女士：法官大人，我很好奇哪家公司
他为之工作，不用支付陪审团的职责。
法庭：好吧。好吧，之后我们会让他回来的
我们听到这位陪审员的来信。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：再打个招呼。你好。那是什么日期
你必须参加的毕业典礼？
陪审员：6月25日星期二。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：她是什么号码？180。她已经 180 岁了。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：嗨，先生。谁是你的雇主？
陪审员：烹饪小组。
法院：那是什么？
陪审员：餐饮服务。
法院：餐饮服务。好吧。你可以迈步
返回。
（陪审员不在场） 
MURRAY 女士：不反对，法官大人。
法院：仅此而已？
（在公开法庭上） 
法庭：你们当中有人有任何个人知识吗
本案的指控是什么？
请加紧努力。

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（在侧边栏上；陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？101？
陪审员：正确。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：133。
法院：问题出在哪里？
陪审员：嗯，个人知识，不像那样
细节等等，但我从事公关工作。我读了新闻
全天候虔诚，尤其是调查
和我一起工作的记者，所以我读了很多新闻。我
每天阅读《纽约时报》的封面封面，我知道
就在一个月前，一位调查记者说
无论他们写什么，我们都会读，写了一篇很长很长的文章，所以
我可能以某种方式理解了这个案子的细节——
法庭：原来你已经 133 岁了。
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
MURRAY 女士：法官大人，这对他们来说有意义吗
律师要待在这里？
法庭：如果你愿意，那没关系。
MURRAY 女士：如果是更多的话，那对我们来说没问题

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有效的。
法院：是的。
MURRAY 女士：谢谢。
（在公开法庭上） 
法院：有什么关于法庭的性质吗
会妨碍你保持公平和公正的指控
陪审员？
（在侧边栏上；陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你是 101 号？
陪审员：103。
法庭：103？你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场）  
（下一位陪审员在场） 
陪审员：123。
法庭：你已经 123 岁了？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
（下一位陪审员在场） 
陪审员：133。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：你是什么号码？
陪审员：144。

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法庭：你说的是144吗？
陪审员：144。
法院：144。那你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法庭：那你想告诉我什么？
陪审员：我个人投资了生活方式品牌
在——在加密货币空间里，而我——我从来没有得到我的
退款。
法院：你是说你投资了一个
与这里的被告有关联的实体，郭先生？
陪审员：不，不是他的，是他的一家公司，尽管我
我知道G Coin和他的一些子公司。
法庭：那么这会阻止你成为一名法官吗
公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：是的。
法院：为什么？
陪审员：因为我 —— 我感觉自己好像被抢走了
钱。
法庭：所以你没有 —— 你没有直接交易
与郭先生的任何实体打交道；对吗？
陪审员：没有。正确。
法庭：那你能不能把你的负面意见放在一边
你在与另一个实体打交道时所经历的经历然后来
以开放的心态进入法庭，听取证人的意见
作证并审查书面证据，并保持公平和

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公正的陪审员？
陪审员：是的。
法院：好吧。然后退一步，先生。
（陪审员不在场） 
KAMARAJU 先生：我们要提出异议
法官大人，他应该被原谅。
法庭：好吧。我想他是
恢复。
KAMARAJU 先生：我想他最初的答案是他
觉得自己被加密货币骗了，而且他
对这个案子知之甚少，对G币也很熟悉
已经。
SHROFF 女士：他说自己被抢劫了，甚至没有
欺诈。他说他被抢劫了，法官大人——
法庭：让我们把他带回来。
SHROFF 女士：另外，很难对一个人说不
法官。
法院：没关系。我只有 4 英尺 11½。
SHROFF 女士：我也是，而且我们俩都很凶猛。
（陪审员再次出席） 
法庭：所以你提到你有一些
熟悉与郭先生相关的实体；对吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那种熟悉，会不会让你望而却步
从做一个公平公正的陪审员开始？

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陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：这个数字是多少？
所有律师:144.
法庭：好吧。因此，他因故被解雇。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：129。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
陪审员：我可以退后一步？哦。
（陪审员不在场） 
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法院：你的号码是多少？134？好吧。
你可以退后一步。
陪审员：哦，好吧。
（陪审员不在场） 
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的电话号码？
陪审员：134。或者 143。对不起。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：像这样？哦。
（陪审员不在场）  
（下一位陪审员在场） 
陪审员：162。

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法庭：你可以退后一步。
陪审员：好吧。回去？
（陪审员不在场） 
（下一位陪审员在场） 
陪审员：165。
法庭：你可以回去。
（陪审员不在场） 
（下一位陪审员在场） 
陪审员：你好。
法院：你的电话号码？
陪审员：176。
法庭：你可以回去。
陪审员：回去吗？你不想让我在这里？
法庭：你可以回去。
（陪审员不在场） 
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：又是你的电话号码？
陪审员：184。
法庭：你可以回去。
（陪审员不在场） 
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法院：你的电话号码？
陪审员：185。
法庭：你可以回去。
（陪审员不在场）

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（在公开法庭上） 
法院：这里的政府代表是
美国纽约南区检察官，
达米安·威廉姆斯。该审判将立即由以下人员负责
美国助理检察官米卡·费根森，瑞安·芬克尔，
贾斯汀·霍顿和朱莉安娜·默里。他们将得到以下方面的协助
律师助理迈克尔·加特兰、伊莎贝尔·洛夫特斯和杰弗里
梅恩斯。
请站起来面对陪审员。
该案的被告是郭文辉。
郭先生，请站起来面对陪审员。
郭先生由他的律师 Sidhardha 代理
Kamaraju 和 Sabrina Shroff、Matthew Barkan 和 E. Scott
席里克。Kamaraju 先生和 Barkan 先生在... 律师事务所工作
普赖尔·卡什曼律师事务所，席里克先生在以下律师事务所工作
阿尔斯顿和伯德。你们当中有人认识郭先生或者其中任何一个吗
我刚刚确认的个人？
有你、你的家人或亲密的朋友
有任何直接或间接的个人或商业往来，
和包括被告在内的这些人中的任何人在一起？
你们中的任何人，或者你的亲戚或密友，
与任何成员有任何关联或商业往来
Pryor Cashman LLP 或 Alston & Bird 的员工？
你的号码是多少？
陪审员：127。

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法庭：那你的交易呢？
陪审员：他们是案件的对手，我知道
律师事务所的人。
法庭：好吧。谢谢。
陪审员：陪审员 144。我曾和律师合作过
普赖尔·卡什曼作为客户。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：同样。哦，陪审员 182。同样地。我知道
Pryor Cashman 和 Alston & Bird 均有律师。
法庭：好吧。还有其他人吗？
我现在要读潜在证人的名字
在这种情况下，还有其他姓名可能是
审判期间提到：  
亚伦·米切尔阿达尔贝托·卡塔布里加。亚历克斯·索尔塔尼。
亚历克斯·哈吉查拉兰布斯。亚历山德拉·盖尔阿明·沙姆斯。艾米
巴克。安娜·伊斯基耶多。安德鲁·齐特曼。安东尼·阿莱奇。安东尼
Dibatista。安东尼·马丁内斯陈艾娃。刘宝荣。垃圾桶
Guo。BJ Pendergast。博柯林斯。布鲁斯·弗雷德里克。切尔西
格雷迪。王清华你们当中有人知道这些吗
个人或有您的任何家庭成员或密友
与这些人有过直接或间接的往来？
我现在要读另一份名字清单：  
克里斯蒂娜·沙茨。克里斯汀·弗罗西尼。克里斯汀李
考特尼·贝尼特斯。王水晶达蒙·洛佩。丹尼尔
Podhaskie。达伦·布兰顿。达伦·卢斯。大卫·拉斯基。德锋

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Cao，又名韦恩。Doaa Dashoush。Ehsan Haque。Ehsan
马哈苏德。伊莱恩·德拉皮亚。Erica Buonocore。艾琳·麦克纳马拉
Fay Fay。加布里埃拉·卢西亚诺。你们当中有人知道或有吗
你的家人或亲密朋友直接有过任何交易
还是间接地和那些人在一起？
陪审员：陪审员 144。我不知道这是否有关系，
但是克里斯蒂娜·李。
法庭：好吧。谢谢。
你们当中有人知道或者有过直接交易吗
和以下人在一起：  
Giacomo Mattioli；Gladys Chow；Haidong Haidon；Haitam
Khaled；Haley Richins；何浩然；郭宏飞；Isabelle
Despins；Jamie Wilson；Jammy Tam；Janie Du；Jason Miller；Jenny
李；杰里米·特普金；杰西·布朗；杰西卡·马斯特罗乔瓦尼；
杰西卡·沃尔奇科；彭健；还有易建虎？有人吗？
陪审员：陪审员 169。这个名字可能有点像
很常见，但杰森·米勒是供应商的交易对手。
法庭：你说你是 169 岁？好吧。谢谢。
还有人吗？
陪审员：182。杰里米·坦普金是的密友
我的。
法院：谢谢。
好吧。我要再读一些名字：  
边洁宇约翰·摩根。约瑟夫·哈格达尔朱莉安娜
李斯特。贾斯汀·阿特伍德。Karin Maistrello。凯瑟琳·迈尔斯。

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卡特里娜·拉佩鲁塔。Kelly Noh。凯文·马。Kin Min (William) Je.
基特·阿德尔曼。凯尔·巴斯兰友。周乐。李楚。
Limarie Reyes Molinaris。林超。Lonny Soza。路易
Bonsoukan。
有人吗？
陪审员：陪审员 141。凯尔·巴斯是我公司的客户
一家大型经纪交易商。
法庭：还有其他人吗？
陪审员：陪审员 169。同事 Kevin Ma。
法庭：陪审员 141，请你加紧努力。
（在侧边栏上） 
法庭：所以我以为你们会去
留在这里。
FERGENSON 先生：然后当你介绍我们的时候，我们想要
坐在餐桌旁。
法庭：哦，这是个好主意。非常好。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：好吧。先生，你是第 141 号？
陪审员：141。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法庭：那你和凯尔是什么关系
低音？
陪审员：所以我在大宗经纪公司工作，我们融资
他的——他的对冲基金海曼资本，所以我们借给他们股票，我们

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借钱给他们做投资然后我和他的员工谈谈
而且我可能已经和他谈过几次了但通常只是
他的员工。他涵盖了我的所有团队。所以那个坐着的人
就在我旁边掩护着海曼，我经常支持他。
法庭：你对他有强烈的感情吗？
陪审员：不，不是特别是。我知道他有
对中国的感受，而且我一直在CNBC上见过他，
但是我和他的互动非常有限。更重要的是
他的——海曼资本。
法庭：你对海曼有什么感觉吗
资本？
陪审员：不是特别如此。这只是我们的对冲工具之一
基金客户。
法庭：如果我告诉你他会成为
本案的证人，你能判断他的证词吗
就像你判断别人的证词一样？
陪审员：我这么认为。
法庭：你这么认为是什么意思？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你觉得自己必须见他吗
有利，比其他证人更有利，因为你
和他的业务关系？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你会对他有偏见吗？
陪审员：没有。

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法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步
时刻。你只要回到这位年轻女士所在的地方
常设的。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：你想让我问什么？
KAMARAJU 先生：只要该案的事实涉及
关于在海曼投资的指控，不管是这样
完全会影响他保持公正的能力。
SHROFF 女士：另外，法官大人，我认为他应该
被告知巴斯先生是该案的合作证人
政府。
芬克尔先生：哇。
SHROFF 女士：请不要打断我。我在说话。
你可以随意跟我说话。
政府会称凯尔·巴斯为
证人。他实际上必须作出裁决 —— 他会
必须有信心他能作出判决而不是
告诉凯尔·巴斯或任何为 Kyle 工作的人有问题
低音那个，我站在另一边。所以那将是一个
问题，对吧？凯尔·巴斯要去作证。他管理 Kyle
巴斯的基金。他的部分收入取决于凯尔·巴斯和
凯尔·巴斯的基金确实如此。所以实际上必须有人有
对该实体作出判决的力量
他们起作用了。我的意思是，你必须——
法院：那么难道不存在固有的冲突吗？

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SHROFF 女士：是的。这就是为什么他应该被原谅的原因
因为，毫无疑问。
芬克尔先生：没有异议。
KAMARAJU 先生：这就是我们的观点。
法院：好吧。我要解雇他
原因。
芬克尔先生：记录在案的是，凯尔·巴斯不是
合作证人。
法庭：好吧。仅此而已。
（在公开法庭上） 
法院：浏览另一份名单：  
陆珠。卢克·德斯平斯。玛德琳·德斯平斯。玛姬
斯克拉尔。玛姬·墨菲马里奥斯·马泽里斯。马克·威廉姆斯
马文·詹姆斯·索耶。马特·史密斯马泰奥·甘迪尼。马修
波廷格。马克斯·克拉斯纳。Mei Guo。梅丽莎·巴卡里。梅利莎
弗朗西斯。梅丽莎·门德斯。孟同藏吴敏然Na
周。尼古拉斯·迪马里诺。
任何熟悉这些人或有任何人的人士
与他们打交道的亲戚或密友
个人？
Nickie Lum Davis。妮可·托雷斯蔡妮可尼娜
彭。奥利维亚·塞巴德。保罗·索齐。帕特里克·钦。帕特里克
约克。保罗·多兰。保罗·欣顿。普拉卡兹雷尔·米歇尔。普里亚
帕特尔。Qiang Guo，又名 Mileson。夏启东也是
被称为 “长岛大卫”。瑞秋·坎贝尔。瑞秋

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卡特赖特。雷龙。罗伯特·斯托特。罗宾·莫赫塔尔罗斯
海涅迈耶。
有人认识那些人或者有亲戚或者
和那些人打交道的亲密朋友？
我继续：安瑞正，又名瑞安和
“螃蟹。”罗素·斯托基尔。瑞安·西尔斯。山姆·罗伯茨。莎拉·薇。
斯科特·巴内特。沙梅尔·梅德拉诺。西蒙·杰索菲亚·陈
斯蒂尔·肖滕海默。史蒂夫·班农。史蒂夫·韦伯。泰德罗
威尔逊。汤姆·毕晓普汤姆·奥利里。乌娜·威尔金森。胜利者
塞尔达。威廉·昆普夫。何晓波。敏小可
你们当中有人认识这些人或有亲戚吗
还是和他们打交道的亲密朋友？
更多名字：Ya Li。王燕平（伊薇特）。延平
刘。李毅成YinYang Wang，又名艾拉。
张永兵扎卡里·埃夫廷。叶兆英。还有正桥
杜。
有人认识这些人或者有亲戚或者
和那些人打交道的亲密朋友？
本案中的证人可能包括一个或多个
所谓的共犯或合作证人，一个人
谁承认参与了与之相关的犯罪
起诉书以及其他罪行。有关于什么的吗
合作证人可能在本案中作证的事实
那会妨碍你成为一名公平公正的陪审员？
我现在要读潜力的名字

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试用期间可能提及的企业或实体：  
ACA 资本。阿玛尼诺。普林斯顿银行。Bitgo，
布里奥尼。达拉斯兰博基尼。东方利润。法拉利宝莉
丘陵。自由媒体风险投资公司。G 银行。G 硬币。G 俱乐部。G
时尚。G 购物中心。G 媒体。G 音乐。G新闻。盖特。金色
春天。格林威治土地。
你或家人或亲密朋友有吗
与这些实体打交道？
好吧。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：(106) 是 Giter，G-I-T-E-R？
法院：不是。G-E-T-T-R。所以你一点都没有
与之有关系吗？好吧。我要继续前进——哦。
陪审员：陪审员 144。Bitgo。
法庭：好吧。谢谢。
我想查看其他一些实体的名称。
GTV。H 硬币。汉密尔顿投资。海曼资本。
HCHK物业管理HCHK 科技。喜马拉雅
交易所。喜马拉雅农场联盟HR 欧文。哈德逊·戴蒙德
欢乐世纪。Jumio。Maywind。mBaer 银行。商业
银行。香料山。中国新联邦州。
NEXBank。OSC/轨道服务公司
如果你已经在侧边栏和我谈过了
这些实体中的任何一个，你现在都不需要回答。所以任何人
认识这些实体或者有家人或密友
和这些实体打过交道了吗？

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我将在清单的下方再往下走。
Passione Rossa。Phaxis。Post Oak 汽车公司。
Promemoria。RH Southeby's，拼写为 S-O-U-T-H-E-B-Y 撇号
S. 法治基金会。法治协会。战略性
愿景。金牛座管理。Guo 的声音。善良之声。
任何人知道这些实体或有家庭成员或
和他们打交道的亲密朋友？
陪审员：你能确认一下你说的吗
苏富比？
法院：嗯，这个拼写不一样
苏富比。苏富比没有 U 这叫做 RH
S-O-U-T-H-E-B-Y 撇号 S. 我的理解是
苏富比没有 U 如果有人想纠正我
那就没问题了。
是的。好吧。所以——
陪审员：好吧。这是另一家苏富比。没关系。
法庭：好吧。好吧。我要继续
还有另一个清单。这是一份地点清单，其中
本案中的事件发生了。
曼哈顿东 64 街 188 号。
人民日报北京市西城区后海北延19号
中华民国。
香港浅水湾南湾道20号
3 哥伦布圆环，纽约，纽约。
康涅狄格州格林威治市塔科尼克路373号

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克罗克大厦，马瓦拉马波谷路 675 号
新泽西
盘古七星酒店，北京，朝阳，北京，
中华人民共和国。
Sherry-Netherland，第五大道 781 号，公寓 1801
在曼哈顿。
你们中有人熟悉这些地点吗？
你的电话号码？
陪审员：108。我父亲在 Sherry-Netherland 工作
酒店。
法庭：好吧。他在那里的工作是什么？
陪审员：他是个管家。
法庭：还有你父亲提起什么吗
和这个案子有关系吗？
陪审员：据我所知不是，不是。
法庭：好吧。律师，你能走近吗，
拜托。
（在侧边栏上）  
法庭：你还有其他问题要问吗
喜欢我问吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：我认为了解一下会很有帮助
她父亲工作的时间。
法庭：假设他在工作期间
有问题的时间。还有什么吗？
SCHIRICK 先生：也许她是否知道发生了火灾；

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她是否从父亲那里听说过火灾的消息。
芬克尔先生：火灾不会成为证据。
法庭：大火没来。
SHROFF 女士：我明白。我更感兴趣的是
听说她父亲是否曾经表达过任何言论
你知道的 Sherry-Netherland 租户的看法，那是
全部，因为有可能 —— 如果出现以下情况，可能会有偏见
有人，你知道，比如另一位挺身而出的绅士
然后说——
法庭：他不喜欢富人。
KAMARAJU 先生：或者她可能不认识他的名字
郭文豪。
芬克尔先生：法官大人，如果可以的话，也许只是
问题，你从他那里听说过关于被告的任何消息吗，
郭文豪，如果答案是否定的——
SHROFF 女士：这并不能掩盖偏见。
KAMARAJU 先生：她可能不认识他的名字 Miles
Guo。她父亲可能说过，比如，有一个富有的中国人
租户——
法院：他是租户还是他拥有那个？
KAMARAJU 先生：嗯，这是他的家族所有的。
MURRAY 女士：这是一家酒店也是个公寓
复杂。
法院：所以这不是租房。
KAMARAJU 先生：不。

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法庭：好吧。让我们让她上来吧。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你是 108 号。
陪审员：没错。
法庭：你父亲有没有对你发表过评论
住在酒店的人，更确切地说，是公寓
酒店部分？
陪审员：是的，我知道有些租户在入住
那栋建筑，或者更确切地说是大楼里自己的楼层，既然如此
这是允许的。
法庭：他提过郭文贵吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：他提过郭先生吗？
陪审员：没错，是的，他有。
法庭：那他说了什么？
陪审员：如果可以的话，他想烧掉地板
坦率地说。
法庭：好吧。那好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：当然。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：好吧。好吧，我想她必须是
因故被解雇。
SHROFF 女士：谢谢你，法官大人。
KAMARAJU 先生：谢谢你，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。

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（在公开法庭上） 
法庭：还有其他人吗？
陪审员：陪审员 199. 3 哥伦布圆环。
法庭：对不起。你在这里。那是什么
你和那个地方的关系？
陪审员：我在那栋大楼工作。
法院：以什么身份？
陪审员：我的公司在那里有办公室。
法院：在什么时期？
陪审员：2020-2023。
法庭：2020-2023？
（在侧边栏上） 
法院：被告与什么关系
那个地方？
MURRAY 女士：所以被告转移了行动
各种实体，从上东区的联排别墅到 3
哥伦布圆环。他们在两个不同的楼层上工作。它
将是家族办公室、盖特、HCHK 等等
被列为阴谋成员的实体。它很大
会议大楼就在时代华纳旁边。我们会成为
想知道她在哪家公司工作以及她是否
与其中任何一个楼层或其中任何一个楼层有过任何交易
实体。
法院：那是什么楼层？
MURRAY 女士：我相信他们是 20 岁和 22 岁。

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法庭：好吧。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：199。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法庭：那你的公司在哪一层？
陪审员：5。
法院：在 5.而且你有过任何往来吗
20 楼和 22 楼的公司？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你熟悉的名字吗
我在长名单中提到的实体和公司？
陪审员：没有。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
SHROFF 女士：没关系。
法院：是的，我认为没有任何理由驳回
她的。
（在公开法庭上） 
法庭：你们当中有人认识或有任何人或某个人吗
您的家人或密友有任何关联或
与美联航任何工作人员进行商业往来
纽约南区州检察官办公室，
联邦调查局、证券局和

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交易委员会、美国证券交易委员会或国土部
安全？
对于那些已经通知我的人
与任何政府实体的关系，你需要
别再告诉我了
陪审员：陪审员 203。这与之前的内容有关
问题。我只是 —— 我在 1 哥伦布圆环工作，我知道
那个区域。
法庭：好吧。谢谢。
陪审员：151。我堂兄的丈夫在联邦调查局工作。
法庭：对不起。你已经 151 岁了而且你的——
陪审员：我堂兄的丈夫在联邦调查局工作。
法庭：你堂兄的丈夫在联邦调查局工作。
你和你表亲近吗？
陪审员：差不多，是的。
法庭：你和她丈夫关系密切吗？
陪审员：有点。不像我离她那么近
法庭：好吧。谢谢你告诉我。
陪审员：没问题。
法庭：记住，如果你已经回答了
问题，请不要再回答。
来吧。
陪审员：162。我在证券交易所工作
佣金。我把它写在表格上，但我不确定是否
不管你没有

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法庭：好吧。谢谢。
陪审员：陪审员 141。我的一个好朋友曾经跑步
那——他曾是美国南区的首席检察官
来自纽约。
法庭：好吧。下一个是谁？
陪审员：你好。我目前是 ——160 的协调员。
我目前是罗克兰郡的协调员，我
审理过几起地方法院——美国地方法院案件，民事案件
案件，由美国检察官办公室审理。
法院：谢谢。
还有人吗？
陪审员：127。我哥哥是一名执法律师
在美国证券交易委员会。
法院：谢谢。
还有人吗？
陪审员：194。我女儿在国土部工作
安全。
法庭：你说的是134吗？
陪审员：194。
法院：194。好吧。谢谢。
还有人吗？
陪审员：154。我男朋友在国土工作
安全。
SHROFF 女士：对不起。我没听见。
法庭：154 说她的男朋友为之工作

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国土安全。
谢谢你告诉我。  
陪审员：108。我在国土部工作
安全。
法庭：好吧。谢谢。
有你或家人吗？对不起？哦，再来一个？
陪审员：149。以前与特别的人的关系
代理人。
法院：好吧。谢谢。
你或家人或密友曾经去过吗
受雇于任何联邦、州或地方执法机构
还是司法系统？只在你所拥有的范围内回答
还没有回答这个问题。
你是什么号码？
陪审员：125。
法庭：好吧。来吧。
陪审员：我可以接近，而不是——
法院：是的，你可以。
（在侧边栏上；陪审员在场） 
法庭：又是你的电话号码？
陪审员：125。
法庭：来吧。
陪审员：是的。如果我错过了这个机会，我深表歉意
在表格上，因为这是针对这个区域的。我爸已经退休了
法官。

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法庭：那他在哪里工作？
陪审员：布朗克斯。他曾是纽约州最高法院
正义。
法庭：他叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：是的。绝对可以。
你父亲的职业生涯或他的职业生涯有什么关系吗
那些会妨碍你成为一个公平和公正的工作
陪审员？
陪审员：我相信我有点偏向正义，
如果某件事到了试炼的地步，那就是 —— 需要很多时间
我需要付出努力才能到达那里，所以我 —— 有人告诉我
朋友们，你知道，我倾向于偏向一边
的——
法院：在什么方面？
陪审员：——正义。
法院：是的。我认为我们都喜欢正义。但是
你是说你偏向于支持这里的一个政党或
其他？
陪审员：没有特别的派对，但总的来说，我的
倾向于站在一边 —— 比如，如果有人走到一边
在审判点上，他们很可能有罪。
法庭：如果有人去过，你就是这么说的
被指控犯罪，你很可能认为他们有罪。
陪审员：那是 —— 这就是我的感受。就是这样

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朋友告诉我。
法院：所以你对法院有偏见
当时是该案的被告。
陪审员：我可能—— 那可能——你知道，可能是有意识的，
潜意识，但我就是这样被告知的。
法庭：好吧。好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：哦，如果可以的话，我还有几个家庭
在法院系统工作的成员。如果有任何影响。
法庭：好吧。谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：好吧。
SHROFF 女士：我想是杠铃没起作用吧
我猜是——
法院：现在是 125？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。还有谁？
（下一位陪审员在场） 
陪审员：我儿子是纽约警察局。他是个警察。
法院：非常感谢。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
（下一位陪审员在场） 
陪审员：138。
法庭：来吧。
陪审员：我的侄女是联邦调查局特工。
法庭：那她的作品里有什么东西吗

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会阻止你在这方面成为公平和公正的陪审员
案例？
陪审员：我们不讨论她的作品。
法庭：那么如果我们有人在联邦调查局工作
作为证人，你能用同样的方式判断他们的证词吗
你会评判其他人的证词吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那你认为你会相信吗
他们说实话的可能性更大？
陪审员：我会听听他们要说什么然后做一个
根据他们说的话来判断。
法庭：好吧。所以你不会感觉到你
有偏见——
陪审员：没有。
法院：——执法部门。
陪审员：没有。
法院：你对法律有偏见吗
执法？
陪审员：一点也不。
法庭：那好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：仅此而已？
（在公开法庭上） 
法庭：你或家庭成员有没有
个人或在业务过程中，曾经是当事方

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与美国或任何人的任何法律诉讼或争议
的办公室、部门、机构或员工
美国，或对任何此类法律诉讼有任何利害关系或
争议还是其结果？
陪审员：陪审员 179。我有点情况
罗克兰县社会服务部。
法院：好吧。谢谢。
还有人吗？
陪审员：陪审员 189。我在罗克兰有一个
县——它叫什么——我因为做了一些手工作而被罚款
没有许可证。施工。
法院：那么这个问题是如何解决的？
陪审员：我刚刚付了罚款。
法庭：你知道那是哪个机构吗
我们在处理吗？
陪审员：罗克兰县。
法院：换句话说，是司法部吗
建筑物？
陪审员：建筑物。
法庭：你觉得他们在对待你吗
公平？
陪审员：是的，我猜是这样。我不知道——我不知道
程序确实如此，所以我这么认为。我不确定。是啊，我
猜是这样。我今天在这里。
法庭：嗯，有时候当我们有交易的时候

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有了政府，我们可能会觉得我们没有得到治疗
公平地说，这就是我想说的。你感觉到了吗
你受到了公平对待吗？
陪审员：我想是这样，是的。
法庭：你会有这样的经历吗
它们会使你对政府产生偏见
这个案子？
陪审员：我不知道 —— 我不确定。我不知道。
可能吧。
法庭：好吧。还有其他人吗？
又是你的电话号码，先生？
陪审员：189。
法院：189。
有没有人有任何偏见、偏见或其他强烈的偏见
支持或反对美国国务院的感情
司法、美国检察官办公室或任何法律
执法机构？
你的电话号码，先生？
陪审员：179。
法庭：来吧。
陪审员：我只是认为正义是一个谬论。
法庭：好吧。还有其他人吗？
陪审员：陪审员 159。我姐姐是公众人物
辩护人所以这影响了我对司法系统的看法。
法庭：好吧。来吧。还有其他人吗？

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你们当中有人读过、听过或看过任何内容吗
报纸、互联网或电视上关于这个案子？
而且我只问那些还没有问过的人
回答了这个问题。
我希望你加紧努力。
（在侧边栏上；陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：127。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：对不起？
法庭：你可以退后一步。
陪审员：好的，谢谢。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：121。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：129。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：143。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场）

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法院：你的电话号码？
陪审员：151。
法庭：151？你可以退后一步。
陪审员：好吧。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：你的电话号码，先生？
陪审员：159。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法院：你的电话号码？
陪审员：166。
法庭：好吧。那你想要什么
要告诉我？
陪审员：哦，我第一次认识了被告——我
第一次认识被告的时候实际上是史蒂夫·班农
被捕了。我想他在船上。然后我刚刚
我一直在关注这个然后看见它快要发生了
审判。
法庭：所以你会读这篇文章是正常的
报纸或——
陪审员：当然。
法庭：——听听电视，事情已经开始了
媒体的关注，那么问题就变成了，你能不能说
把你已经听到的话放在一边然后出庭

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敞开心胸，听取证人的证词，看看
证据，书面证据，听从我的指示
依法做个公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：我通常会说 “是”，但是 Steve 的平局
Bannon 只为我，然后又与前者有进一步的联系
总统，我觉得有这样的紧密联系
Make——我对那些人很不信任，所以我不信任
我知道我可以保持公正。
法庭：所以每个人来到这个法庭时都带着
偏见。我有偏见。但我得把它们放在一边
到——
陪审员：我会尽力而为。
法庭：嗯，我需要知道的还不止于此。我
想知道是否意识到自己的偏见
已经表达过了，你能不能进来，把偏见放在一边，然后
听听证人怎么说，阅读文件
把它们当作证据，听从我的法律指示，
并成为一个公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：那是什么数字？
SHROFF 女士：166。
法院：她被平反了。
SHROFF 女士：法官大人，请允许我们记录一下

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为什么要原谅她。
法庭：继续吧。
SHROFF 女士：我认为部分原因是我们只想要
确保法院知道，因为我认为有
我们对此感到某种程度的关切，因为法院
面前没有政府确切的证据
要介绍班农先生的情况，我们希望法院
请注意，这是政府的展品之一。它是
将在摘要表中作证。但事实并非如此
只有史蒂夫·班农和郭先生以及他们的关系。他们是
在他们共同宣布一百万的关系中
一笔交易的价值相当于美元，而我们有一个人有
现在说她不知道 “我能不能保持公正”，她
通常可以，但她不会，因为，有两个原因——平局
致史蒂夫·班农和前总统。我认识法庭
说每个人都有偏见然后她耸了耸肩
然后她说她会尝试的。所以我觉得——
法庭：那你想让我问什么问题
对她来说？
SHROFF 女士：我认为至少是问题所在
应该告诉她的是，如果她听到史蒂夫的证词
Bannon 和 Miles Guo 是一家合资企业，班农先生和
郭先生分享了个人友谊，她还能吗
要公平地评估与史蒂夫·班农有关的证词，那会吗
以任何方式不当影响她的决策？因为

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这是我们一直担心的问题 —— 我想我们本来打算这样做的
在将来用 11 号和 15 号提起这个问题 —— 那不是
业务关系。这不只是一项生意
关系。乔·拜登和卡玛拉·哈里斯有生意
关系。还有一种信任，有点像——太多了
更多；这几乎就像合作伙伴关系，对吧？他们两个
是齐头并进的。卡玛拉·哈里斯永远不会说
对乔·拜登有任何负面影响或者反其道而行之。他们有
彼此回来了。这就是关系的层面。他
在那个人的船上被捕，证词是他是
在那艘船上待了好几个星期。政府要问
他们得出结论，这两个人很紧张。
他们是同谋。不只是同谋，而且
关系如此深厚，以至于一个人可以代表另一个人说话。
这超出了政府刚才所说的话，是
业务关系。证据不是这样的
进来吧。
芬克尔先生：法官大人，如果可以的话。
法院：是的。
芬克尔先生：郭迈尔斯在受审，不是史蒂夫·班农。
我认为法官大人问陪审员的问题是
恰当的，也就是理解每个人都输入这个
有一些先入为主的观念和一些偏见的法庭可以
你把它们放在一边然后评估其中的证据
审判，她说是的。我不会反对——

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法官阁下政府不会反对你的询问
关于她对史蒂夫·班农的了解是否会对她产生偏见
针对被告。如果她对这个问题回答 “是”
政府可能会同意应该打死她
是有原因的。但是看到这个问题的否定答案
不应因故罢工。她当然会是
将面临强制性挑战。
SHROFF 女士：她应该受到打击是有原因的。她
实际上只是说了最能让她倒台的话
是 —— 她实际上是说，在正常情况下，我会的
能够把它放在一边。与史蒂夫·班农的关系，那些 —— 那些
是她的话，与史蒂夫·班农的关系。而在这里，
政府——班农先生之所以受审是因为他们辩称
他是同谋而这两个人是齐头并进的。那是
他们为什么要写他的陈述和其他所有陈述
同谋陈述，对吧？
法庭：那如果我问她这个问题怎么办，如果 Steve
班农是个未被起诉的同谋，那会不会导致她
对郭先生有偏见？
SHROFF 女士：那将是一个公平的问题，只要
她明白什么是未被起诉的同谋者。如果你
可以告诉她这里的指控是郭先生和
据政府称，班农先生携手合作，
你还能公平对待郭先生吗，那没关系
问题。

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法庭：好吧。
芬克尔先生：她能否提出任何偏见
必须站在一边。
SHROFF 女士：问题是——
芬克尔先生：对不起，施罗夫女士。
法庭：稍等片刻。稍等片刻。
来吧。
芬克尔先生：我要说的是问题是
归根结底，是否有人能把他们所知道的东西收起来
然后在法庭外了解情况并评估里面有什么
法庭，听从法官的指示，如果
陪审员可以做到，她不应该因故被打死。
SHROFF 女士：这不是一个偏见的问题，也不是常见的问题
从外面感觉出来，对吧？你的意思是，班农
是不可信的，所以郭文贵不可信。班农是
做出你不能依靠的承诺，因为你有
对班农的负面看法，班农去哪里，郭去哪里。
所以从本质上讲，你是在要求她区分
这两个。如果你承认两者很接近，那你会吗
之所以能够对郭进行评估并做出公平的判决，是因为
对班农的感受？
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：你说过你的答案是否定的
对史蒂夫·班农的感受。
陪审员：是的。

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法院：检方指控班农先生
与郭先生密谋犯罪。你能做到吗
把你对班农先生的感情放在一边，公平一点
作为郭先生的陪审员不偏不倚？
陪审员：我想我能回答的最好答案是我
不知道。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
SHROFF 女士：我们为事业而挑战。
法庭：好吧。
KAMARAJU 先生：以防不明显。
芬克尔先生：记录在案，没有人反对
政府。
法院：那是什么数字？
SHROFF 女士：166。
法院：我希望我们能有陪审团。
芬克尔先生：差不多了。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：你是什么号码？
陪审员：176。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
是这样吗？好吧。
（在公开法庭上） 
法院：本次审判可能会产生媒体
注意。你们每个人会听从我的指示吗

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绝对应该避免阅读、观看或收听
有关该案的媒体报道，包括对该案的报道
Facebook、Twitter、博客等社交媒体上的案例，直到
案子结束之后？你们能向我保证吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：有人听不懂吗
指令？
你们每个人都能听从我的指示吗
在... 之前，不要研究或与其他人谈论此案
案子结束了？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：有人听不懂吗
指令，还是不会遵循该指令？
正如我提到的，在审判期间，你会听到
有关涉嫌敲诈阴谋的证据
涉及电汇欺诈、证券欺诈、银行欺诈和金钱
洗钱。冲锋的性质会影响你的能力吗
做出公平的裁决？
你或你身边的其他人是否参与过
任何涉及美国证券交易所的程序
委员会，还是美国证券交易委员会？
如果你已经回答了这个问题，请回答
再也没有回答。
你或你身边的人曾经申请过吗
破产还是参与了破产程序？

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陪审员：我必须宣布个人破产——哦，
对不起。111。
法庭：来吧。
陪审员：是的。就我个人而言，我必须宣布破产
破产，20多年前。
法庭：好吧。谢谢。
陪审员：204。我申请了破产。
法院：好吧。你可以加紧努力。
（在侧边栏上；陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你是 204 号吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你叫什么名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法院：那你什么时候申请的
破产？
陪审员：申请了还是什么时候发生的？
法院：两者兼而有之。
陪审员：好吧。2024 年——大约五年前。
法院：破产案结案了吗？
陪审员：是的。
法院：如果你听到任何有关破产的消息
在这种情况下，你能把自己的个人信息放在一边吗
体验并以开放的心态出庭，倾听
证人证词，阅读书面证据，关注我
法律指示，做一个公平公正的陪审员？

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陪审员：是的，当然。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：有人反对我留住她吗？
KAMARAJU 先生：不是来自我们，法官大人。
MURRAY 女士：不，法官大人。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你是什么号码？
陪审员：160。
法院：160。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：好吧。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：是这样吗？好吧。
（在公开法庭上） 
法庭：你或身边的人有没有
对中国政府或中国人的强烈看法
共产党？
好吧。加紧努力。
（在侧边栏上） 
法庭：你想让我谈什么
这个问题？
KAMARAJU 先生：我想，就像昨天一样，如果有人
说他们与中国共产党人有过接触或认识
派对，你可以简单地问他们，你能不能把那些放在一边然后成为
一个公平公正的陪审员？

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（陪审员在场） 
法庭：好吧。你是什么号码？
陪审员：101。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：先生，你是什么号码？
陪审员：113。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：你的电话号码，先生？
陪审员：111。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
陪审员：好吧。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
陪审员：130。
法院：130。你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法院：你的电话号码？
陪审员：131。
法院：131。你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法院：你的电话号码？
陪审员：166。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场）

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法院：你的电话号码？
陪审员：168。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法院：你的电话号码？
陪审员：174。
法庭：那你对球场有什么感受
中国政府还是中国共产党？
陪审员：嗯，更多的是政府。只是地缘政治
侵略。
法庭：好吧。那你能不能把你的东西放在一边
了解中国政府或者你听说过什么
然后以开放的心态走进法庭倾听
证人证词，阅读书面证据，关注我
法律指示，做一个公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：我可以试试。
法庭：你是什么意思试试？这是 “是” 或 “否”
问题。
陪审员：你能重复一下这个问题吗。
法院：当然。你能把你的感情放在一边吗
对中国政府或中国共产党有何看法
派对——
陪审员：是的。
法庭：——然后开着窗户进入法庭
注意，听听证人的证词，阅读纪录片

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证据，听从我的法律指示，保持公平和
公正的陪审员？
陪审员：是的。我的意思是，如果是或否，那就是。
法院：很好。很好。你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：先生，你的电话号码是多少？
陪审员：179。
法院：第179号。好吧。先生，你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：180。
法院：180。好吧。
陪审员：正如我之前提到的，我在媒体工作
商业。我的角色是全球性的。我的全球团队的一员是
在中国所以我在那里有很多优惠，仅就以下方面而言
在运营方面，经营媒体业务，诸如此类
发生的情况和我们在其他地方所面临的情况有很大的不同
关于这个世界以及我们必须如何顺应的——有很沉重的感觉
视我们能做什么和不能做什么而定，所以我想这么说我
确实对此有负面看法，仅凭我自己的看法
交易。
法院：所以你说的是审查制度，对吧？
陪审员：正确。
法庭：那你可以——
陪审员：我不确定你的问题的性质

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没错，就在那里。
法庭：你能不能把你对球场的感受放在一边
中国政府公开出庭
注意，听证人作证，阅读纪录片
证据，听从我的法律指示，保持公平和
公正的陪审员？
陪审员：是的。
法院：好吧。请退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：请问你的电话号码是多少？
陪审员：148。
法庭：148？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：121。
法庭：而且你可以退后一步。
书记员：就是这样，法官。
（在公开法庭上） 
法庭：在审判期间你可以听取证词
关于或来自特朗普的前高级成员
政府，包括史蒂夫·班农和彼得·纳瓦罗。做
你对前总统的顾问有强烈的看法

450
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唐纳德·特朗普，包括史蒂夫·班农和彼得·纳瓦罗，
会阻止你成为一个公平和公正的陪审员吗？
请加紧努力。
（在侧边栏上；陪审员在场） 
陪审员：101。
法庭：而且你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：你的电话号码，先生？
陪审员：103。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法院：你的电话号码？
陪审员：116。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法院：你的电话号码？
陪审员：117。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
陪审员：133。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法院：你的电话号码？
陪审员：152。
法庭：你可以退后一步。

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陪审员：谢谢。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
陪审员：153。
法院：153。你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
陪审员：156。
法院：156。你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法院：你的电话号码？
陪审员：166。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法院：你的电话号码？
陪审员：177。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
陪审员：179。
法庭：你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
陪审员：174。
法院：好吧。你想说什么
我？
陪审员：他们所说的我就是不敢相信
说。
法庭：好吧。所以如果我告诉你他们是

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实际上不会成为证人但他们的名字可能会出现
up——检方指控班农先生与... 密谋
被告郭先生犯罪。所以你已经说过了
我不会相信他们，所以我想你有负面看法
关于班农先生；对吗？
陪审员：正确。
法庭：好吧。所以，在听到指控之后
我刚刚总结了你对班农先生的感受吗
妨碍你以陪审员的身份公平对待郭先生？
陪审员：很可能。说实话，是的，我猜是这样。
法庭：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法院：那是什么数字？
SHROFF 女士：174。
法院：174。好吧。他被原谅了。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：来吧。你的号码是多少？
陪审员：143。
法院：143。你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
陪审员：146。
法院：146。好吧。来吧。
陪审员：我是民主党人，任何共和党人——我不会
完全相信特朗普的顾问。
法院：因此，在本案中，检方称

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史蒂夫·班农与郭先生密谋犯罪。这个
问题是，你能不能把你对班农先生的感情放在一边，
以开放的心态走进法庭，听一听
该案的证人，阅读书面证据，关注我
法律指示，并成为公平公正的陪审员
郭先生？
陪审员：我想是这样，是的。
法庭：你所说的 “我这么认为” 是什么意思？这是一个
是还是不的问题。
陪审员：是的。
法院：是的。好吧。你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：你的电话号码是多少？
陪审员：154。
法院：154。你可以退后一步。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：你的电话号码是多少？
陪审员：180。
法院：180。来吧。
陪审员：好吧。所以，史蒂夫·班农，我想他
曾经——我说过我是一个新来的美国人，但我没有成为
在特朗普白宫之前都是美国公民，因为
像史蒂夫·班农对移民的亲戚那样的声音造就了我
感到非常害怕，即使生活在这个国家之后
多年有了绿卡，我感到非常不舒服。

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他提出的言论是最具分裂性的言论之一
而且令人震惊，这是我见过的。
法院：好吧。所以如果你愿意留在我身边。
陪审员：好吧。
法院：因此，在本案中，检方指控
说班农先生是郭先生的同谋，他们
密谋犯罪。你能放吗
除了你对班农先生的这些负面情绪之外
并以开放的心态走上法庭，倾听
证人证词，阅读书面证据，关注我
有关法律的指示，并成为公平和公正的陪审员
郭先生？
陪审员：你看，我想说我会的，而且我
会——我会试试的。我最努力而且 —— 我只是有深度，
相对于这个人所拥有的我觉得很强烈的感情
遍布这个国家。我认为他不是一个好人。
因此，在这种情况下，我会尽量不要让这影响我的观点。
我明白你在问什么。我只是说实话。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：而且我认为她应该被解雇
原因。
芬克尔先生：她的感受无关紧要
凭借他的可信度。这是关于移民的。如果你的

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Honor 问她是否明白这个案子
与移民无关，这是否会影响她的观点，
我认为那是恰当的。就其价值而言，
她说她会尝试的。她毫不犹豫地说不，而且
那么，好吧，也许吧；她说，是的，我可以试试。我觉得
将适合进一步调查。
SHROFF 女士：她称他为最邪恶的人，
在全国范围内肆意散布言论。是啊。没有。
法院：只有移民问题才是坏话？没有。没有。
她被击中了，第 180 号。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
陪审员：你好。我已经 181 岁了。
法院：181。你可以退后一步，先生。
陪审员：好吧。回去吧？
法庭：是的，回到你的座位上。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。
陪审员：182。
法院：是的。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：好吧。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
陪审员：194。
法院：194。你可以回到你的座位上。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
陪审员：197。

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          南区记者，P.C.
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法院：197。
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。那你想说什么？
陪审员：班农所说的任何话都会是
值得怀疑。
法庭：所以我们没想到他会成为证人
这里。检方指控班农先生是
郭先生和郭先生密谋的同谋
犯罪。所以问题是，你能不能把你的
对班农先生的负面情绪然后出庭
以开放的心态，听取证人的证词，阅读
书面证据，听从我的法律指示，然后
为郭先生找个公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：我会试试的。
法庭：嗯，这实际上是 “是” 或 “否”
问题。
陪审员：好吧。是的，我猜，是的。
法庭：嗯，我也没法让你猜出来。
陪审员：好吧。是的。
法庭：那么你觉得自己真的没有吗
对此有把握吗？
陪审员：是的，确实如此。
法庭：好吧。好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：他摇摆不定。他是 1？

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书记员：197。
芬克尔先生：法官大人，他摇摆不定，但我想他
每次都说 “是”。
法院：问题是——
芬克尔先生：你可以别笑了，施罗夫女士。谢谢
您。
法庭：他的肢体语言，耸肩
肩膀，有点像来回的感觉
头，他的语气，我能看出他不是
肯定地说，我觉得这样做是恰当的
走得更远。
来吧。
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：好吧。你的号码是多少？  
陪审员：202。
法庭：还有你的名字？
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXX。
法庭：那你想说什么？
陪审员：我之所以保持透明，是因为我不透明
知道你们是不是在研究陪审员之类的
但是就像社交媒体一样，我从来没有什么好说的
关于史蒂夫·班农或彼得·纳瓦罗，但是 —— 而且我，你知道，最重要的是
一定会尽量保持客观而且，你知道，倾听
事实之类的，但我只是不想让它造成
稍后再出问题。

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法庭：好吧。所以你是说你有
我听到了关于那两个人的负面消息。
陪审员：是的。
法庭：所以你有负面印象；我是
我说对了吗？
陪审员：正确。
法庭：好吧。因此，在这种情况下
检方指控班农先生和郭先生密谋
一起犯罪，我要问你的问题——这是
是或否的问题——你能带着一个进入法庭吗
敞开心态，听听证人的证词——班农先生不会
成为证人——听证人的证词，阅读证词
根据我的法律指示，提供书面证据，以及
为郭先生做个公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：是的。我还以为他是证人。这就是为什么
我当时想，啊。这就是我认为问题所在。但是，是的，
我绝对可以——
法院：嗯，可能是这样的陈述
班农先生可能会出庭作证。
陪审员：哦，好吧。
法庭：他不一定会有身体健康
在法庭上，但他可能说过的话可能会浮出水面。
所以如果你听到他说的话的话，我的
问题是，你能不能把任何负面印象放在一边
一个公平公正的陪审员？

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陪审员：我相信我可以。
法庭：你所说的 “我相信” 是什么意思？这是
是或否的问题。
陪审员：那就对了。
法庭：而且你对此充满信心。
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
SHROFF 女士：我们能不能问问他有没有听见
班农通过录音或视频作证——
法院：不是。
SHROFF 女士：这就是证据。
法庭：我认为没有必要这样做。我觉得
我已经走得够远了。
我们走吧。来吧。  
（下一位陪审员在场） 
法庭：你好。你的电话号码？
陪审员：204。
法院：204。好吧。来吧。
陪审员：关于？
法庭：我问过一个关于——
陪审员：对。那些先生们，我不同意
他们的任何政策或政治，所以我一定会的
对他们的参与有非常内在的看法

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这个案例。
法庭：好吧。所以你有负面看法
关于那些人，对吧？
陪审员：正确。
法庭：好吧。因此，在这种情况下，
检方指控班农先生和郭先生密谋
一起犯罪。所以我要问你的问题是，你能不能
把你已经形成的对班农先生的负面看法放在一边
并以开放的心态走上法庭，倾听
证人证词，阅读书面证据，关注我
有关法律的指示，并成为公平和公正的陪审员
郭先生？
陪审员：我想我做不到。如果他参与了
这些人中的任何一个，都不是。
法庭：好吧。谢谢。你可以退后一步。
陪审员：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：我会原谅她的。
仅此而已。好吧。
（在公开法庭上） 
法庭：你们当中有人对法庭有强烈的看法吗
加密货币会阻止你成为一个公平的人
公正的陪审员？
好吧。来吧。如果你要说出你的电话号码
拜托。

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陪审员：121。
法庭：你是说你有强烈的观点吗
支持还是反对加密货币？
陪审员：哦，我没听到赞成或反对。我进来了
之间。
法庭：介于两者之间？那你认为那些吗
感情会影响你保持公平和公正的能力
陪审员？
陪审员：可能，是的。
法庭：好吧。再说一遍，你的号码是？
陪审员：121。
法庭：好吧。谢谢。
还有其他人吗？
你认为中指控的行为吗
正如我向你描述的那样，起诉书不应该是犯罪
还是不应该由联邦政府起诉？
你是否以被告或受害者的身份参与其中，
作证，或以任何其他方式在任何欺诈起诉中或
洗钱？
陪审员：169。澄清一下，问题是我是否会
是检方的证人吗？
法庭：无论你是谁，这都是其中的一类
是被告、受害者、证人或以任何其他方式参与其中
以欺诈或洗钱为由提起诉讼。
陪审员：是的。我在大陪审团的诉讼中作证

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关于——
法庭：好吧。所以这足够了。谢谢。
被告被控与他人一起行动
犯下被指控的罪行。其他一些人
在本案中未受审。你不能得出任何推论，
对政府或政府有利或不利
该事实的被告。你也可能不会猜测为什么
其他人不在本法庭受审。会不会有任何
你在遵循这个指令时遇到任何困难吗？
你、家人或密友去过吗
参与任何调查或作为证人出庭作证
联邦或州大陪审团或国会或州
立法委员会、许可机构或政府
机构？
这是针对那些没有回答的人的
这个问题。
你、家人或密友曾经去过吗
在任何问题上受到联邦、州或地方法律的质疑
执法机构，包括联邦调查局？再说一遍，对于那些人
还没有回答这个问题。
陪审员：陪审员 121。
法庭：你受到了执法部门的讯问？
陪审员：一位密友是。
法庭：好吧。好吧。谢谢。
陪审员：陪审员 158。我接受了美国证券交易委员会的采访

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这是对我工作的公司的定期审计的一部分。
法院：好吧。
陪审员：我是 —— 哦，134。我当时在联邦法院
证明我的儿子是我的儿子。
法庭：好吧。谢谢。
陪审员：陪审员 117。而且我当时在场——我不知道是否
当时我还是个未成年人——但是我的父母受到了以下方面的质疑
联邦调查局关于我兄弟申请和平队的问题。
法院：谢谢。
陪审员：123。我已经回答了联邦调查局的问题
关于安全许可。
法院：谢谢。
你、家人或密友曾经是
听证会或审判中的证人或申诉人, 不论是州,
地方还是联邦？如果你还没有回答
问题。
陪审员：187。我曾是谋杀案审判的证人。
法院：那会吗——
陪审员：那是在宾夕法尼亚州。
法院：那是州法院还是联邦法院？
陪审员：那是州政府。
法庭：那是多久以前的事了？
陪审员：大约四年前。
法庭：你说的是 40 吗？
陪审员：四。

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法院：四。那么，有什么有关系的吗
经验，曾在宾夕法尼亚州法院担任证人，
那会阻止你成为一个公平和公正的陪审员
这个案子？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：好吧。还有其他人吗？
陪审员：第 178 号陪审员。我曾是A的证人——我不是
甚至知道该怎么称呼它。这是给我的一个朋友的
父亲在法庭上骚扰了她。
法庭：哦，好吧。谢谢。
还有其他人吗？
你是你的家庭成员还是亲密的朋友
现在已接到传票或者据你所知，即将接到传票
在刑事案件中被传唤？
你、家人或密友曾经去过吗
被控犯罪？这是为那些没有这样做的人准备的
回答了这个问题。
你、家人或密友曾经去过吗
大陪审团任何调查或指控的主体，
联邦还是州？
你、家人或密友曾经去过吗
犯罪的受害者？
陪审员：又是你好。119。
法庭：来吧。
陪审员：是的。我是袭击的受害者。

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法庭：你是袭击的受害者。  
来吧，下一个人。
陪审员：179。我父亲试图杀婴的时候我
还是个孩子。
法庭：哦，听到这个消息我很抱歉。
来吧。
陪审员：168。汽车盗窃。
法庭：你说的是偷车，是吗？
陪审员：汽车盗窃。
法院：168，对吗？
陪审员：是的，168。
陪审员：169。我的妻子是身份的受害者
用于进行未经授权的财务的盗窃
交易。
法院：谢谢。
陪审员：123。我有一辆自行车被偷了，我也有
我有一台笔记本电脑和一些办公桌的办公室里发生了一起大盗窃案
补给品从里面偷走了
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：122。我的家被抢劫了。
法院：谢谢。
陪审员：153。我姐姐被谋杀了。
法庭：哦，听到这个消息我很抱歉。
还有其他人吗？
陪审员：138。我曾是仇恨犯罪的受害者。

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法庭：对不起。你说那是 138 吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：发生了什么，先生？你想说话吗
私下里对我们来说？
陪审员：没有。没关系。我是同性恋，我遭到了袭击。
法庭：对不起。你说日期了吗？
陪审员：没有。我说我是同性恋。
法院：是的。
陪审员：我遭到了袭击。我进行了反击。这个
犯罪者被抓了，但我没有提出指控因为他
是一名退伍军人，患有创伤后应激障碍。
法院：因此，他从未被追究过对此的责任。
陪审员：没有。
法庭：原来你是无辜的
受害者和犯罪者从未被关押
责任，那会让你想追究郭先生吗
负责？
陪审员：是的，如果是这样 —— 如果他犯了罪
进攻。
法庭：嗯，我的意思是，你的经历会吗
让你对郭先生有偏见？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：好吧。那你能不能把那个可怕的事情放在一边
过去的经历，带着开放的心情走进法庭
记住并听取证人的证词并阅读

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提供书面证据，听从我的法律指示，以及
做一个公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：是的。
法院：你可以公平对待郭先生；是吗
正确？
陪审员：没错。
法院：而且你可以公平地对待政府，
是的？
陪审员：是的，没错。
法庭：好吧。来吧。
陪审员：151。我姐夫被谋杀了。
法庭：哦，听到这个消息我很抱歉。
陪审员：150。我有几个——
法院：一秒钟。请等一秒钟。
来吧。
陪审员：我有几个朋友是受害者
互联网——它是通过互联网实现的，而人们却不是
合法。
法庭：好吧。谢谢你告诉我。
陪审员：149。汽车盗窃和住宅入室盗窃。
法庭：来吧。
陪审员：187。我被枪口抢劫了
在街上，我住的时候我的公寓被人闯入了
它。
法庭：而且你已经 187 岁了？

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陪审员：187，是的。
法庭：好吧。所以枪口下的抢劫就是
街，你举报了吗？
陪审员：是的，我做到了。
法庭：那是多久以前的事了？
陪审员：那是在70年代。
法庭：还有警察能找到吗
肇事者？
陪审员：他们从来没有真正尝试过。
法庭：所以你对这种方式感到失望
那时警察的行为如何？
陪审员：是的，我是。
法院：那么这会不会让你有偏见
反对警察？
陪审员：在某种程度上，是的。我想我会听的
就本案的证据而言，但是——
法庭：所以你有过负面的经历
警察，我的问题是，考虑到会有法律
执法证人，你能把那个负面因素放在一边吗
这么多年前的经历，出庭时带着一个
敞开心态，听听证人的证词——
陪审员：不幸的是我还有其他的——我也是
陪审员正在审判一名腐败警察，所以我有好几个
与警察的负面经历。
法庭：那么你是说那些负面的人吗

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经历会让你对法律产生偏见
执法人员？
陪审员：再说一遍，我一定会尽量公平地倾听，
但是有一些固有的偏见吗？可能，是的。
法庭：所以我们都是带着这个法庭来的
偏见。我有偏见。但是任务是，你能设置那些吗
把偏见放在一边，首先要意识到它们，然后再纠正它们
顺便说一句，这样你就可以客观地看待这个中的证据
特殊情况？你会同意我的看法吗
警察？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那你是依赖警察还是会依靠警察
如果你觉得需要警察，那就去找警察？
陪审员：我过去没能做到。
法庭：如果你有这样的感觉你会报警吗
你需要报警吗？
陪审员：我会的。
法庭：是的，你会的。好吧。所以你会同意的
有一些好警察，有些警察不是
好？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那你能不能撤销你的否定意见
态度和 —— 你是说你的感情是建立在基础上的
你的个人经历。而且你能不能把那些放在一边
个人经历并客观地听取证据

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这个案子对双方都公平吗？
陪审员：我相信我可以。
法院：这是一个 “是” 或 “否” 的问题。
陪审员：是的。
法庭：又是你的电话号码？
陪审员：187。
法庭：你觉得自己会有任何偏见吗
在本案中反对政府？
陪审员：没有。
法院：偏向政府？
陪审员：没有。
法院：对被告有偏见？
陪审员：没有。
法院：对被告有偏见。
陪审员：我不认识被告。
法庭：好吧。所以你说不，你不会
有偏见——
陪审员：正确。
法院：——被告。
陪审员：对。
法庭：好吧。来吧。
陪审员：129。我的家被盗了。
法庭：好吧。谢谢你告诉我。
陪审员：201. 201，我的号码。在 2019 年 10 月，我
晚上 10 点 30 分在曼哈顿我的脸上被一记重击，而且

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那是一个帮派，四个人——三个男人和一个年轻女子，18
岁。然后警察找到了那个女人，他们给我打了电话。
我去警察局了。我当时在医院，然后我去了
警察，很多人问了我不同的问题。还有他们
找到了这个女孩他们看见了发生的一切
因为那是街上的摄像机，他们给我看，
因为我没看见。她从后面打了我。所以我没有
实际看看。我看了电影。而且她什么也没收到
正义，没什么。他们说因为她已经18岁了
她还年轻，这是第一次。故事就是这样。
仅此而已。
法庭：然后你很失望。
陪审员：是的，非常失望。
法庭：好吧。还有其他人吗？
陪审员：113。我被一群青少年打伤了。
结果，情况类似。他们被缓刑了
因为他们的年龄。
法庭：所以你也很失望。
陪审员：是的。
法院：好吧。
陪审员：陪审员 117。我的车被闯入了，我妈妈
被抢劫了我的父亲和兄弟也被扣押了好几次
有时候用枪和刀。
法院：谢谢。
仅此而已？

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好吧。有人在陪审团或大陪审团任职吗
联邦法院还是州法院？
陪审员：陪审员 101。大概是五六点左右
几年前。这是一起谋杀未遂和武器指控，而我
是陪审团成员。
法庭：好吧。如果你曾在罪犯服过刑
案例，不要告诉我判决。
好吧。谢谢。
陪审员：我已经服役了。
法庭：你的电话号码是多少？
陪审员：105。
法庭：来吧。
陪审员：在刑事案件中，州案件。
法院：那是哪个县？
陪审员：威彻斯特，怀特普莱恩斯。
法院：什么？
陪审员：怀特普莱恩斯，威彻斯特。
法庭：在没有告诉我判决书的情况下，确实如此
陪审团作出裁决？
陪审员：我们确实做到了。
法庭：那你说那是多久以前的事了？
陪审员：去年。
法院：去年？
陪审员：去年。
法院：那是州法院吗？

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陪审员：州法院。
法庭：好吧。还有谁？
陪审员：109。大约七年前我在陪审团任职。
法院：好吧。还有谁？
陪审员：111。我曾在一宗大约 15 到 20 岁的州案件中服刑
几年前。
法庭：好吧。还有谁？
陪审员：119。州民事案件，大约三年前。
法院：好吧。还有谁？
陪审员：133。我曾在曼哈顿服役。那是一个
大陪审团，但一个月内每天审理多个案件。
法院：好吧。
陪审员：137。大约十年前我在这里任职。
法院：在这个法院？
陪审员：是的。
法院：那是民事还是刑事案件？
陪审员：刑事。
法庭：在没有告诉我判决书的情况下，确实如此
陪审团作出裁决？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你是说有——
陪审员：他们达成了解决方案。他们为之辩护
出来。
法庭：哦，你是说你从来没有真正做到过
故意的？

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陪审员：没有。
法庭：所以在你认罪之前就有人认罪
有机会进行深思熟虑；是这样吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你说那是十年前的事了？
陪审员：大概在十年前。它可能有
已经比那长了。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：142。
法院：是的。
陪审员：我曾在布朗克斯区的一起刑事案件中任职，比如
15 年前。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：陪审员 144。在 2009 年或 2010 年左右任职，该州。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：152。我曾在印第安纳州罗克兰县任职
七年前的一起刑事案件。
法院：好吧。还有谁？  
陪审员：169。我曾在一起刑事案件的陪审团任职
州，大约在 2008 年。我们确实做出了裁决。
法庭：好吧。还有谁？
陪审员：138。民事案件。我们确实做出了裁决。
法院：联邦法院也是这样还是
州法院？
陪审员：州法院。

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法院：在曼哈顿？
陪审员：曼哈顿，是的。
法庭：那你说了多少年？
陪审员：大概在八、九年前。
法院：民事诉讼，然后你作出了判决。
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。还有谁？
陪审员：182。州法院，刑事法院，15年前。在
曼哈顿州法院
法庭：182？
好吧。还有谁？
（下一页继续）

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法院：好吧。还有谁？
陪审员：162。十多年前，南区
民事案件，我们作出了判决。
法庭：还有谁？
陪审员：175。我在大陪审团工作了一个月。
法庭：还有谁？
陪审员：187。我曾两次在各州大陪审团任职。
法院：在哪里？
陪审员：刑事，作出了判决。民用，确实如此
没有作出裁决，但经过一周的审议和解。
还有另一个罪犯，我是候补的，第一个是经过深思熟虑的
一天然后他们把我送回家。
法庭：我只想逐一拿这个。  
哪个县？ 
陪审员：都在曼哈顿。
法庭：都在曼哈顿。  
而最近的案例发生在什么时候？ 
陪审员：十多年前。
法院：那是民事还是刑事案件？
陪审员：那是犯罪行为。
法庭：然后你作出了判决？
陪审员：是的，我们做到了。
法院：然后是最近的下一个案件？
陪审员：那是民事案件，当时正在审理
几个星期然后我们经过了将近一周的深思熟虑然后

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他们定居了。
法庭：好吧。还有别的吗？
陪审员：我是另一起刑事案件的候补。
法院：你曾任职的任何其他案件
陪审员？
陪审员：没有。好吧，我现在记不起来了。
没什么 —— 我想一路上已经解决了，但我没有
回想起故意的。
法庭：还有其他人吗？
陪审员：193。曼哈顿州法院。那是一个
民事案件。
法庭：那是多久以前的事了？
陪审员：那是六、七年前。
法庭：来吧。下一个是谁？
陪审员：192。我担任陪审团大约十一年了
以前在这栋大楼里。这是一次刑事审判。我们做到了
作出裁决。
法院：好吧。还有谁？
陪审员：197。2018 年在布朗克斯区犯罪。但是
完成后，律师们走近我们并透露了
有些信息没有透露给我们
本来会改变我们对整个过程的看法。
法庭：你说你已经 197 岁了吗？
陪审员：197。
法庭：好吧。还有谁？

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陪审员：202。
法院：是的。
陪审员：我有一个民事机构，一个州，我是一名陪审员
普特南县.
法庭：那是多久以前的事了？
陪审员：2019。
法庭：还有谁？
那是州事吗？ 
陪审员：是的。州。对不起。
法庭：来吧。
陪审员：199。
法院：是的。
陪审员：十多年前我是陪审团成员。州，
刑事。
法院：那是哪个县？
陪审员：曼哈顿。
法庭：你做出判决了吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：还有其他人吗？
陪审员：第 200 号陪审员。
法院：是的。
陪审员：布鲁克林一起大约九年的刑事案件
以前。
法庭：还有其他人吗？
陪审员：204。我在 2001 年担任大陪审团陪审员。白色

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普莱恩斯，纽约，2007 年。2009 年又在新州怀特普莱恩斯举行
约克。
法院：谢谢。还有人吗？
本案的政府证人将包括
联邦调查局的特工和分析师。这个问题已经解决了
致那些还没有回答这个问题的人。
你们当中有人或多或少会相信吗 
仅仅因为他是法律而作证 —— 他或她是法律 
执法人员？ 
审判中采纳的一些证据可能来自
执法人员进行的搜查。我指示你
这些搜查是合法的，而且所获得的证据
在本案中，这些搜查是可以接受的。
你们当中有人对搜索有强烈的感觉吗
由执法人员进行或使用证据
从会干扰你能力的搜索中获得
在本案中作为陪审员要公平公正？
有人对这种类型有什么期望吗
政府或被告应该或愿意的证据
在本次刑事审判或刑事审判中出庭更多
一般来说？
你们当中有人无法遵守法院的规定吗？
指示政府无需使用任何指令
调查证据的特定技术
犯罪？

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根据我们的法律制度，陪审团决定事实 
由法院决定法律。这两个区域是分开的 
而且与众不同。在案子结束时，我会指导你的 
法律。正如我所解释的那样，你必须接受法律 
您。你的工作是确定我所掌握的事实 
对法律的解释。你可能无法取代你的观念 
法律是什么或者你认为应该是什么法律。   
有没有人觉得他或她两者兼而有之 
不愿或无法适用我向你解释的法律？ 
根据我们的法律体系，每名被告都是假定的
无罪，除非陪审团听取了意见，否则不能认定有罪
该案中的所有证据，一致决定
证据毫无疑问地证明他有罪。
有人难以接受法律吗
还是对被告的无罪推定？
根据我们的法律体系，举证责任在于
政府。负担永远不会改变。被告没有
必须证明自己无罪、出示任何证据、作证或
盘问政府的任何证人。如果
被告选择不作证，你不能以此为由
他。有没有陪审员不能听从这个指示？
相反，如果辩护律师决定提出
代表被告审理，这一事实并不能转移负担
向被告提供证据，也不会减少义务
除此之外，政府还要证明被告有罪

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合理的怀疑。有人在关注时会遇到困难吗
这个原则？
法律规定，只有这里出示的证据
在法庭上你可以用来确定政府是否
已经履行了证明被告有罪的责任
合理的怀疑。你不得考虑任何外部事实
除了审判的证据。有人遇到困难吗
接受那条法律？
法律规定，惩罚问题是
只为法官着想可能的判决问题
被告可能面临的无法进入你
对被告有罪或无罪的审议。
有没有陪审员不能听从这个指示？
如果证据证实被告有罪
毫无疑问，有没有人觉得自己是
无法作出有罪判决？
如果证据不能证实被告的
毫无疑问，有罪感，有人有这种感觉吗
他们不能作出无罪的判决吗？
除了已经确认身份的律师之外
他们自己，你们当中有人受过法律培训吗，有没有
这会阻止你像我一样适用法律的原因
指示你，不管你可能认为法律是什么
来自外部培训或经验？
有没有人有任何宗教、哲学或

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其他可能使他或她无法作出的信念
判决？
现在我要去讯问陪审员
个别地。
我们将从第104号陪审员开始。请说明你的
电话号码、您居住的县以及在此期间的邻居
过去的五年。
陪审员：104，曼哈顿，哈林区。
法庭：那你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：学士学位。
法院：在什么问题上？
陪审员：通讯。
法庭：那么在过去的五场比赛中你的工作是什么
年份？
陪审员：ABA 讲师，应用行为分析。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你里面还有其他成年人吗
家庭谁在工作？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢读任何类型的书吗？
陪审员：是的，小说类书籍和非虚构类书籍。
法院：你喜欢什么特定的网站吗？
陪审员：没有。

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法院：任何俱乐部或组织怎么样？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：我喜欢见朋友。
法庭：还有什么能阻止的
你是不是一个公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：好吧。我们现在要去第 105 号。
如果你想说出你的电话号码、你的居住县和
在过去的五年里，你的邻居。
（暂停） 
法庭：好吧。现在我忘记了我在哪里
是。
105。好吧。先生，你能不能说出你的电话号码和你的 
过去五年的居住县和邻里县。 
陪审员：105，住在蒙大拿州威彻斯特弗农，过了
过去的五、六年。
法庭：好吧。你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：学院。
法院：那你拿到学士学位了吗？
陪审员：是的，B.S.
法院：在什么问题上？
陪审员：机械工程。
法庭：你的工作是什么？
陪审员：我是一名退休工程师。

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法庭：那你退休多久了？
陪审员：六年前。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：单身。离婚。
法院：你离婚了。  
还有你家里有人吗，成年人 
除了你自己以外还有谁在工作？ 
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物、书籍吗
杂志、网站？
陪审员：技术书籍和计算机。现在
计算机。
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：我和朋友一起打高尔夫球。
法庭：还有你在做什么吗
你的业余时间？
陪审员：我确实在唱歌。我喜欢古典音乐。我是古典主义者
歌手。
法庭：太棒了。
有什么能阻止你成为
公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你唱什么声音？
陪审员：我是低音。你能听见吗？

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法院：好吧。如果你想把麦克风传给106。
如果你能说出你的电话号码，县是 
住所，以及你上次去过的社区 
五年。 
陪审员：当然。陪审员 106，哈德逊河畔克罗顿，
纽约州威彻斯特。
法庭：那你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：学士学位。
法院：在什么问题上？
陪审员：生物学。
法庭：那你的工作呢？
陪审员：我是一名技术客户经理。
法庭：那你这样做多久了？
陪审员：在那个职位上任职四年。
法庭：在那之前？
陪审员：我曾是技术支持，技术主管
支持。
法院：还有技术支持，性质是什么
的——
陪审员：软件。
法庭：软件？好吧。
你结婚了还是有重要关系？ 
陪审员：是的，结婚了。
法庭：还有你的配偶，那个人在干什么
为了谋生？

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陪审员：她是一名儿科执业护士。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物、书籍吗
杂志、网站？
陪审员：是的。小说，非虚构类书籍。网站，
没什么特别的，只是很多东西。
法院：有团体、俱乐部、组织吗？
陪审员：没有团体或俱乐部。
法庭：你在业余时间做什么？
陪审员：大部分时间都花在我的孩子身上；
否则，长跑和骑山地自行车。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法院：好吧。如果你愿意把麦克风传给
编号 107。
还有 107，你能不能说出你的名字，县 
过去五年的住所和邻里？ 
陪审员：XXXXXXXXXXXXX。
法庭：不要说出你的名字。
我要把它从记录中删除。  
你的电话号码？ 
陪审员：107。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：曼哈顿，哈莱姆。
法庭：而且你已经在那里待了至少五年了

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年份？
陪审员：对不起？
法庭：你在哈林区待了至少五年
年份？
陪审员：哦，是的，是的。
法庭：那你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：心理学学士学位。
法庭：那你的工作是什么？
陪审员：认证和特权专家。
SHROFF 女士：对不起，法官大人，我们听不见。
法庭：如果你能再说一遍，拜托。
陪审员：认证和特权专家。
法庭：你在那个职位上是做什么的？
陪审员：资格医生，新来的医生。
法院：你在政府工作吗？
陪审员：退伍军人健康管理局。
法庭：好吧。你已结婚或有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：已婚。
法庭：还有你的配偶，那个人在干什么
为了谋生？
陪审员：他失业了；目前失业了。
法庭：他曾经做过什么？
陪审员：开车。他是一名司机，出租车。
法院：你还有其他成员吗

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家庭谁是工作的成年人？
陪审员：我的女儿。
法庭：她是做什么的？
陪审员：她在一家零售百货公司工作。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物、书籍吗
杂志、网站？
陪审员：我喜欢网站。
法院：什么类型？
陪审员：抖音。
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：和我的家人一起或者在公园里跑步。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：好吧。请把麦克风交给陪审员
110。哦，对不起，陪审员 110 缺席。
编号 115。如果你能说出你的号码和你的 
过去五年的居住县和邻里？ 
陪审员：第 115 号陪审员。
法院：是的。
陪审员：布朗克斯县，韦克菲尔德分区。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：高中毕业，一些大学。

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法庭：那你在大学里学什么？
陪审员：计算机科学。
法庭：你的工作是什么？
陪审员：库存专家。
法庭：在过去的五年里你一直在这样做
年份？
陪审员：过去一年。四年前我在做
它。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：我喜欢幻想书。
法院：网站？
陪审员：没什么特别的。
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你在业余时间做什么？
陪审员：和朋友一起去徒步旅行或玩电子游戏。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法院：我们现在要去第 126 号。对不起，
120 是下一个人。谢谢。
如果你想说出你的电话号码，你所在的县是

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住所。 
陪审员：120，曼哈顿，上东区。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：学院。
法庭：那你研究了什么？
陪审员：护理。
法庭：那么你是一名注册护士？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那你现在的工作呢？
陪审员：注册护士。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：家里还有其他成年人吗
谁在工作？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物、书籍吗
杂志、网站？
陪审员：是的，真正的罪行。
法院：真正的犯罪。  
你参与过任何俱乐部或组织吗？ 
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你在业余时间做什么？
陪审员：远足和旅行。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗

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不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：好吧。现在是 126。如果你能陈述
你的电话号码和你居住的县和邻里都是
过去的五年？
陪审员：126，罗克兰县北部。
法院：罗克兰在哪里？
陪审员：北罗克兰。
法院：北罗克兰？
你在学校走了多远？ 
陪审员：学士学位。
法庭：在什么地方？
陪审员：会计。
法庭：你目前的工作？
陪审员：财产会计师。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你家里还有其他成年人吗
工作？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那他们在做什么？
陪审员：我妈妈在一家快餐店工作。
我的 —— 我的一个兄弟是卡车司机；另一个是 —
他送报纸。而且我妈妈的丈夫在护理部门工作

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家。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物、书籍吗
杂志、网站？
陪审员：是的。非虚构作品。
法庭：非虚构作品。
你属于任何俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：徒步旅行，划皮划艇。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：好吧。转到第 128. 128 号。一个
二八。
陪审员：128，纽约县，东哈莱姆。
法庭：而且在过去的五场比赛中你一直在场
年份？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：高中毕业生。
法庭：你的工作是什么？
陪审员：从退伍军人事务部退休
在 1971 年。
法院：你在 1971 年退休了？
陪审员：是的，我做到了。

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法庭：哦，哇。
还有你在退伍军人事务部工作了多长时间 
部门？ 
陪审员：三十年了。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你家里还有其他成年人吗
谁在工作？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的书籍、杂志吗
网站？
评委：体育杂志。
球场：什么类型的运动？
评委：体育杂志。
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你是如何度过日子的？
陪审员：听音乐。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。无。
法庭：那好吧。编号 137。
陪审员：137。
法庭：对不起。稍等片刻。我想我有

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在这里跳过了某人。是的，是 135。
如果你能说出你的电话号码，你所在的县是 
住所。 
陪审员：135，贝切斯特布朗克斯县。
法庭：而且在过去的五场比赛中你一直在场
年份？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：学士学位。
法院：在什么问题上？
陪审员：护理。
法庭：那么你是注册护士？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那你以什么为生？
陪审员：注册护士，护理。
法庭：而且你已经这样做了最后一次
五年？
陪审员：在我成为制药技术人员之前。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你家里还有其他成年人吗
工作？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：比如任何类型的读物？

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陪审员：是的。
法院：那是什么？
陪审员：一切，有点虚构，非虚构的。
法庭：有俱乐部或组织 —— 对不起？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：和朋友、家人在一起。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法院：第137号。如果你能说出你的电话号码
你的居住县和你的邻居。
陪审员：137，布朗克斯县。
法庭：而且在过去的五场比赛中你一直在场
年份？
陪审员：是的。
法院：布朗克斯区的哪个区域？
陪审员：大厅村。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：社会工作硕士。
法庭：那你的工作呢？
陪审员：儿童服务管理局，
财务部。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？

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陪审员：单身，离婚了。
法庭：你家里还有其他人工作吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：是的。虚构的，非虚构的，
自传。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：家人、朋友、读书、看电视。
法庭：所以你是这个房间里的第一个人
谁在看电视。
陪审员：我经常看电视。
法庭：好吧。有什么可以的吗
阻止你在本案中成为公平公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法院：第138号。您的居住县和
过去五年的邻居和你的电话号码？
陪审员：138，住在东哈莱姆曼哈顿。
法庭：而且你已经在那里待了五年了？
陪审员：是的。
法院：已婚还是有重要关系？
陪审员：单身。
法庭：还有其他成年人吗
家庭谁在工作？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的书籍、杂志吗

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还是网站？
陪审员：在 YouTube 上花很多时间，各种各样
值得关注的东西。
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你的工作是什么？
陪审员：我是一家非营利组织的执行董事
纽约市。
法院：那你的教育背景呢？
陪审员：我拥有社会政策硕士学位。
法院：俱乐部还是组织？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你的业余时间？
陪审员：园艺、烹饪、散步。
法庭：任何会阻碍你出庭的东西
本案的陪审员是公平公正的？
陪审员：没有。
法院：第145号。
编号 142。不是 142？好吧。我犯了一个错误。我的意思是
142。
陪审员：142，曼哈顿，英伍德。
法庭：而且在过去的五场比赛中你一直在场
年份？
陪审员：没错。
法庭：那你在学校走了多远？

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陪审员：刑事司法学士学位。
法院：所以你已经了解了法律；
正确？
陪审员：是的，但我已经对此不感兴趣了
不再。
法庭：那你能把任何事情都搁置一边吗
你了解法律并听从我的法律指示
独家？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你的工作？
陪审员：我有两个。我是一名零售经理，我也是
也有摄像业务。
法庭：而且你已经结婚或者有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：家里还有其他成年人吗
工作？
陪审员：是的，一个堂兄。他经营一家汽车修理厂。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：没有。YouTube，纪录片，有点像我的
事情。
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：空闲时间？
陪审员：和朋友一起锻炼和编辑。

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          南区记者，P.C.
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法院：你的意思是视频编辑？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法院：好吧。编号 145。
陪审员：145。布朗克斯。
法院：那是什么社区？
陪审员：诺伍德。
法庭：而且在过去的五场比赛中你一直在场
年份？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：我获得了计算机科学学士学位。
法庭：那你的工作是什么？
陪审员：现在我失业了。
法庭：那你以前做过什么？
陪审员：我曾经在仓库工作。
法庭：那是多久以前的事了？
陪审员：那是去年。
法庭：所以你一直处于失业状态
长？
陪审员：十个月。
法庭：那你在法庭工作了多长时间
仓库？

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          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
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陪审员：我在那里工作了大约七年。
法院：七年。好吧。
你结婚了还是有重要关系？ 
陪审员：单身。
法庭：你家里有成年人吗
工作？
陪审员：是的。我姐姐，她是个药房技术员；
而我爸爸，他是一名建筑工人。
法庭：你喜欢读书、读书吗
杂志、网站？
陪审员：是的，我喜欢读书。
法院：什么类型的读物？
陪审员：通常是幻想和非虚构作品。
法院：俱乐部还是组织？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：通常我会看电影或者读书
也和我的家人共度时光。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法院：第146号。
陪审员：新州冷泉县普特南县陪审员 146
约克。
法院：你说的是哪个县？

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          南区记者，P.C.
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陪审员：普特南县。
法院：普特南县，冷泉。
而且你在过去的五年里一直待在那里？ 
陪审员：对。
法庭：那你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：B.A.
法院：在什么问题上？
陪审员：英语和历史。
法庭：你目前的工作？
陪审员：首席执行官的公众执行助理
公司。
法庭：你在那里待了五年？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：已婚。
法庭：还有你的配偶，那个人在干什么
为了谋生？
陪审员：他是承包商。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物、书籍吗
杂志、网站？
陪审员：是的。非虚构类、虚构类、Instagram。
法庭：家庭中任何其他成年人
工作？
陪审员：没有。

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          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD4               
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：追着我的孩子。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法院：第147号。来吧。
陪审员：147，威彻斯特县，奥西宁。
法庭：而且你在奥西宁待了至少一段时间
五年？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：学士学位。
法院：在什么问题上？
陪审员：企业管理。
法庭：那你的工作呢？
陪审员：会计师事务所的数据录入。
法庭：你在那里待了五年？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你家里有工作的成年人吗？
陪审员：妈妈是扬克斯的一名公立教师。

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          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD4               
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：是的，主要是历史。
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：无论是在读书还是在 YouTube 上。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法院：第161号。
陪审员：陪审员 161，住在威彻斯特县，
伊斯特切斯特。
法院：至少五年？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：经济学和法语学士学位。
法庭：你目前的工作？
陪审员：我用外币交易期权换一个
银行。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：是的，结婚了。
法庭：还有你的配偶，那个人是干什么的？
陪审员：她是一名烹饪教练。
法庭：家里还有其他成年人吗

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          南区记者，P.C.
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工作？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：我读的大部分内容都是财经新闻
工作。
法庭：如果你能再说一遍然后说话
麦克风。
陪审员：当然。我读的大部分内容都是财经的
新闻。
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：我弹吉他。
法庭：任何会阻碍你出庭的东西
本案的陪审员是公平公正的？
陪审员：没有。
法院：第163号。
陪审员：陪审员 163。我来自威彻斯特，我住在这里
在哈里森。
法院：在过去的五年里？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：所以我刚毕业。我有学士学位
政治学和经济学。
法庭：那你现在有工作吗？

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陪审员：是的，我是一名商业顾问。
法院：这是你的第一份全职工作吗？
陪审员：我一个半月前就开始了，所以是的。
法庭：好吧。你还有其他工作吗
过去？
陪审员：我曾在一家私募股权公司实习。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：我喜欢读书。自我完善书籍和
金融书籍也是如此。
法庭：什么样的书？
陪审员：自我完善书籍和财务书籍。
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：要么和朋友在一起，要么参加体育赛事。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法院：让我们来看173。
陪审员：你好，我已经 173 岁了。
法院：你居住的县？
陪审员：哦，对不起。这是罗克兰县。

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          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD4               
法院：那罗克兰的哪一部分？
陪审员：Nanuet。
法庭：而且在过去的五场比赛中你一直在场
年份？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：我拥有分子遗传学博士学位。
法庭：你目前的工作？
陪审员：我是一家制药公司的研究科学家
公司。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：是的，我结婚了。我丈夫还有一个
计算机科学博士。
法庭：那他的工作是什么？
陪审员：他也是一名会计领域的计算机科学家，
在一家保险公司里。
法庭：你里面还有其他成年人吗
家庭谁在工作？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：我最喜欢 —— 通常我主要是读书
现在是科学期刊，因为我正在研究。
法院：俱乐部还是组织？
陪审员：通过我的公司，我与科学界建立了联系

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          南区记者，P.C.
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还有非科学和志愿者组织，是的。
法院：什么类型的志愿者组织？
陪审员：总的来说是科学的；但我们也是，你
知道，慈善组织，是的。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：和我女儿共度时光，跑步
周围，比赛日期。而且，你知道，我有朋友，我喜欢
做饭，是的。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法院：让我们来看186吧。
陪审员：186，纽约，纽约；哈林。
法庭：而且在过去的五场比赛中你一直在场
年份？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：读完高中，一些大学。
法庭：那你在大学里学什么？
陪审员：企业管理。
法庭：你的工作？
陪审员：我是铁路的列车售票员。
法庭：在过去的五场比赛中你这样做过吗
年份？
陪审员：过去八年。

508
          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD4               
法院：多少？
陪审员：过去八年。
法院：八年。好吧。
你结婚了还是有重要关系？ 
陪审员：是的。
法庭：还有你的另一半，那是什么意思
人以谋生为生？
陪审员：她是纽约市的一名教师。
法庭：你家里其他在工作的成年人？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：比如任何类型的读物？
陪审员：是的，我喜欢读所有非虚构的、虚构的，
《圣经》。
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：没有俱乐部或组织。
法庭：还有你的业余时间，你是如何度过的
那个？
陪审员：我喜欢打保龄球也喜欢打黑桃。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法院：让我们来看第 187 号。
陪审员：187，纽约县，地狱厨房。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：我有硕士学位我成了博士

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辍学。
法庭：你的硕士学的是什么？
陪审员：我说过我是博士辍学生。我接着说，但是
没有完成学位。
法院：我明白。但是你确实明白了
大师的？
陪审员：是的，我有硕士学位。
法庭：那你是什么 —
陪审员：那是罗曼语。
法院：罗曼语系。哪一段恋情
语言？
陪审员：主要是西班牙语，但法语和葡萄牙语。
法庭：那你的工作是什么？
陪审员：我退休了。
法庭：那你以前做过什么？
陪审员：它。与语言无关。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：单身。
法庭：你的家庭成员在做什么
为了谋生，你家里还有其他成年人吗？
陪审员：没有其他人了。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：在《纽约时报》之后，我主要读书
小说和一些音乐杂志。

510
          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD4               
法院：俱乐部还是组织？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：去很多剧院、音乐会、电影和
吃。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法院：第188号。
陪审员：来自曼哈顿的地狱厨房。
法庭：好吧。过去五年你一直在那里
年份？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：学士学位。
法院：在什么问题上？
陪审员：心理学。
法庭：你目前的工作？
陪审员：住房案件经理。
法院：你说的是住房案件经理吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你家里还有其他成年人吗

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          南区记者，P.C.
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谁在工作？
陪审员：是的，我妈妈。
法庭：她是做什么的？
陪审员：检查一家公司的珠宝。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：没有。我喜欢社交媒体。
法院：还有任何特定类型的社交媒体吗？
陪审员：全部。Instagram — Instagram
脸书、Snapchat、抖音。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：和我的家人在一起。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：我姐姐是纽约警察局的一员，所以有一点点
有偏见，但是——
法庭：那她为纽约警察局做了什么？
陪审员：她是一名警察。
法院：那么一点偏见是什么意思？
陪审员：我只是觉得有时候他们会受到虐待
在他们的工作中。他们工作的时间太长了。他们被推了
远远超出了他们的极限。所以我就是这么觉得
政府工作本身，应该减少对他们的强制力
他们。
法院：所以我同意政府工作不应该
尽力而为，薪水应该更高。

512
          南区记者，P.C.
            (212) 805-0300
O5NVGUOVD4               
所以你姐姐决定做一项非常艰巨的工作。
为了帮助自己的社区，她将自己置于危险之中，
所以这是崇高的。有时候人们不欣赏
那个。有时候人们可能会粗鲁甚至虐待
警察。
但是还有一些人有很深的感觉 
感谢警察以及他们没有做任何事情 
会对警察造成伤害或冒犯。你会吗 
同意我的看法？ 
陪审员：我想是这样。但我猜最近我们
我猜见过警察滥用职权之类的案例
平民们。而且我猜人们会这样想
警官的工作做得不好。而且他们这么认为
我想说他们都是一个人。
法庭：所以你的意思是有一些
引起媒体广泛关注的事件是坏事
警察在做坏事，然后有时候人们会做
概括一下所有其他警察，你就是这么说的吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。是的，有时候确实会发生这种情况，
这是人们的概括和刻板印象。但是有些人
感谢有能力的警官而且
诚信地做工作；对吗？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：好吧。所以会有执法部门

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          南区记者，P.C.
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本案的证人。我要问你的问题是，你能不能
以与你相同的方式评估他们的证词
评估任何其他人的证词？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那我的意思是你会有吗
偏向执法证人？
陪审员：我不这么认为，不是。
法院：因此，它确实要求回答 “是” 或 “否”。
你确定自己不会有偏见吗 
支持执法证人？ 
陪审员：我想说不是百分之百。
法庭：好吧。好吧。谢谢你的
坦率。
律师，如果你愿意的话。 
（在侧边栏上） 
KAMARAJU 先生：对不起。
法院：不，不，不。我让你告诉我。所以
即使我们结束了为什么我们不直接把剩下的五个击倒掉
向上移动 5 点以上。
KAMARAJU 先生：我们淘汰了那五个人
问题。
法院：是的。
KAMARAJU 先生：然后回来吧。
法院：是的。
芬克尔先生：之后大放异彩 —

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          南区记者，P.C.
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O5NVGUOVD4               
KAMARAJU 先生：我们需要时间。
SHROFF 女士：我们做不到。
芬克尔先生：我只是说，政府就是这样
如果是的话，能够在陪审团离开后大放异彩
便于法院及其工作人员.
法庭：所以我唯一关心的是警察。
因为他们在获得... 方面有特殊的惯例
被告回来了。因此，我必须对此进行询问。
但我不介意留下来让我们把这件事做好。
芬克尔先生：当然。
法庭：让我们看看会发生什么。
SHROFF 女士：法官大人，我们很难协商
和他在一起，也是为了让他回来而不是让郭先生坐在里面
因为他错过了公共汽车，他一次拿着笔好几个小时。
所以这是我关心的问题。
法庭：你在哪里和他协商？
SHROFF 女士：嗯，今天早上，法官大人，我是
按四分之一到九点来这里，我和他商量了
早上。
法庭：在这里的围栏里？
SHROFF 女士：是的，我做到了。
法庭：好吧。
SHROFF 女士：我想我是第一个来这里的人。
然后我花了时间想弄清楚他有哪些
做了笔记。而且我们也会要求同样的要求

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          南区记者，P.C.
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机会。这就是昨天发生的事情。
法庭：我的意思是我有可能
我们今天结束之后可能会给你这样的机会，但是我
得从警官那里弄清楚这是否会
干扰他们的日程安排。
SHROFF 女士：好吧。
法庭：所以我会告诉你的。
芬克尔先生：谢谢你，法官大人。
（在公开法庭上） 
法庭：好吧。我想去 189。
陪审员：189，罗克兰县，蒙西。
法庭：那你在蒙西待了多久了？
陪审员：我的一生。
法庭：那你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：学士学位。
法院：在什么问题上？
陪审员：宗教研究。
法庭：那你目前的工作是什么？
陪审员：我有自己的杂工生意。
法庭：那你这样做多久了？
陪审员：对我自己来说，大约两个星期；为其他人工作
人们断断续续，四年。
法庭：那之前你在干什么
四年期？
陪审员：本科/在校，宗教研究，

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耶希瓦。
法庭：好吧。还有你结婚了还是结婚了
重要的关系？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：还有你的另一半，那是什么意思
人以谋生为生？
陪审员：她正在学校接受舞蹈治疗。
法庭：你家里还有其他成年人吗
谁在工作？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你参与了任何俱乐部还是
组织？
陪审员：我去犹太教堂。
法庭：那你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：我经常信奉宗教 —— 很多宗教信仰
学习、商业，任何技术方面的东西，比如机械。
法院：还有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：我去舒尔，犹太教堂。
法庭：那你是如何度过业余时间的？
陪审员：和我妻子在一起，我不知道，不寒而栗
在朋友身边。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：除非这违背了我的宗教信仰，否则不是。
如果可能发生什么事，我不知道情况如何

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关于。
法院：所以在本案中，你唯一的法律
可以考虑的是美国政府的法律。而且
所以你不能考虑任何宗教法律。你会吗
能够将宗教法律置之不理并听从我的指示
法律？
陪审员：我想这么说，但你就是你
读，所以——
法庭：那么你觉得自己不确定？
陪审员：我不确定。
法庭：好吧。编号 190。
陪审员：布朗克斯、纽约、布朗克斯县。
法院：那布朗克斯区的哪个街区？
陪审员：洋基体育场旁的大广场。
法庭：而且你去过大广场
过去五年的区域？
陪审员：55 年。
法庭：你说的是55吗？
陪审员：55。
法庭：好吧。你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：我去了 12 号了。
法庭：那你目前的工作是什么？
陪审员：我因残疾退休了。我以前在那里工作过
在医院住了22年，我有脊柱损伤。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系

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关系？
陪审员：已婚。已分离。
法庭：还有你的配偶，那个人在干什么
为了谋生？
陪审员：她曾经在银行工作，制造商
汉诺威，现在是大通了。
法庭：还有你家里有成年人吗
工作？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的书籍、杂志吗
还是网站？
陪审员：没有网站。圣经，宗教信息，
动物。我有一只小吉娃娃要照顾。
法院：俱乐部还是组织？
陪审员：基督教、宗教。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：想从我受的伤中恢复过来，
与工作有关的伤害。
法庭：而你所受的伤害就是这样
会对你保持公平的能力产生任何影响
本案中不偏不倚的陪审员？
陪审员：不，不是。事实上，因为
受伤，我只有一些工伤赔偿案件
我本人也赢了一些案子，所以我尊重法律。
法庭：我只是想说，从身体上讲，有没有

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关于你的身体状况的任何会干扰的东西
你有能力当陪审员？
陪审员：不。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：不。
法院：第 191 号？
陪审员：威彻斯特县，拉伊。
法庭：在过去的五年里你一直在场？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：学士学位。
法庭：在什么地方？
陪审员：地质学和应用生物科学。
法庭：那你的工作是什么？
陪审员：我是一名地质学家。
法庭：作为地质学家，你会做什么？
陪审员：环境咨询。
法庭：你当过环境顾问吗
在过去的五年里？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：已婚。
法庭：还有你的配偶，那个人在干什么

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为了谋生？
陪审员：她做营销。
法庭：家里还有其他成年人吗
那份工作？
陪审员：没有。
法院：任何类型的书籍、杂志或
网站？
陪审员：没有。
法院：俱乐部、组织？
陪审员：专业地质组织。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：和我的孩子一起出去玩。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法院：192。
陪审员：192，纽约市上东区。
法院：在过去的五年里？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：表演艺术学士学位。
法庭：你的工作？
陪审员：我是一名财务顾问、理财规划师。
法院：在过去的五年里你有这种情况吗？
陪审员：是的。

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法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：在一段恋情中。
法院：那个人行得通吗？
陪审员：作为一名瑜伽教练。
法庭：你家里还有其他成年人工作吗？
陪审员：我雇了一个看护人。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：我读了所有时事、新闻、互联网，
杂志，报纸。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：在我的沙发上。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法院：195。
陪审员：帕特森普特南县陪审员 195。
法庭：你说的是哈里森吗？
陪审员：不，帕特森。
法庭：帕特森。
而且你已经在那里待了五年了？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：那你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：医疗保健管理硕士学位
和老年学。

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法庭：你的工作？
陪审员：物理治疗师。
法庭：那你这样做多久了？
陪审员：35 年。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：没有。
法院：还有其他成年人在那里工作吗
你的家人？
陪审员：是的，我的儿子。他是一名暖通空调技术员。
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：看电视、读书、睡觉。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法院：第202号。哦，不，编号 199。
陪审员：199，曼哈顿，默里希尔。
法庭：默里·希尔？
陪审员：正确。
法庭：而且在过去的五场比赛中你一直在场
年份？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你在学校走了多远？

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陪审员：学士学位，心理学。
法庭：你的工作？
陪审员：失业。
法庭：你以前做了什么
失业了？
陪审员：广告。
法院：你从事广告工作多长时间？
陪审员：15 年。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：家里还有其他成年人吗
那份工作？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物？
陪审员：没有。
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：没有。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：朋友、家人、电视。我对动物很感兴趣
救援。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：没有。
法院：律师，你能联系一下吗。

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（在侧边栏上） 
法庭：所以我相信有几个人
谁需要因故受到打击：188 号，你们都同意吗？
SHROFF 女士：是的，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。因此，第188号被驳回。
还有其他人吗？ 
默里女士：189。
SHROFF 女士：我有 189 个。
法院：是的。你们都同意他应该是
受灾了？
SHROFF 女士：是的。
MURRAY 女士：是的，法官大人。
法庭：好吧。所以他被解雇了。
还有其他人吗？ 
MURRAY 女士：202 还没遭到袭击，那是
最后一位陪审员。
法律书记员：还有 14。
法庭：等一下。提醒我为什么 202 应该
受到打击。
MURRAY 女士：我们还没有单独询问。
法庭：你是说我忘记和 202 谈话了？
MURRAY 女士：是的。
SHROFF 女士：而且 14. 14 是剩下来的人
晚了。
法院：14 在哪里？

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书记员：我相信他在后面。
芬克尔先生：14 现在是 205 了吗？
书记员：严格来说他是第 14 名。
法庭：他仍然是 14 岁。
芬克尔先生：关于 —
法院：是的，就他的命令而言，当我们
正在罢工，他现在已经走到了尽头。
芬克尔先生：哦，他走到尽头了。好吧。谢谢。
法庭：好吧。所以让我回去做——
SHROFF 女士：法官大人，我们可以等一秒钟吗？
我只想看看我有没有有 —
（已聘请律师） 
SHROFF 女士：法官大人，我可以仔细检查一下
法庭的数字是 174 出局了？
法庭：174 出局了。
SHROFF 女士：谢谢。
（陪审员在场） 
法庭：好吧。你是第 163 号吗？
陪审员：是的，我是。
法庭：你碰巧知道是否
还是不能获得更多时间的报酬？
陪审员：我还没发现。
法庭：但是你可以一夜之间做完然后过来
早上回来告诉我？
陪审员：我可以给他们发一封电子邮件。我无法保证

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你如果他们要在早上到时候做出回应——
在我到这里之前。
法庭：你能告诉他们很紧急吗
法官指示你依法这么做吗？
陪审员：我可以。我无法预测其他人'
行为。
法庭：好吧。告诉那些力量就是这样
法官命令他们给你这个答案。
陪审员：好吧。我会的。
法院：好吧。你可以退后一步。
（陪审员不在场） 
法庭：还有谁？
书记员：191 要挺身而出了。
（陪审员在场） 
法院：你好。那你还能听到什么吗
关于你将获得陪审团报酬的时间长度
服务？
陪审员：所以不是。我的意思是，我必须在这之后再做。
法庭：好吧。好吧。所以我想让你做
那个调查。
陪审员：好吧。
法庭：我想让你告诉不管是谁，不管是谁
所拥有的权力，即法官已下令赋予他们
立即向你提供这些信息。
陪审员：好吧。

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法庭：好吗？然后明天早上你是
会回来告诉我。
陪审员：好吧。听起来不错。
法院：谢谢。
SHROFF 女士：对不起，他的电话号码是多少？
书记员：191。
SHROFF 女士：191。好吧。谢谢。
法庭：好吧。所以我现在要做 202 和 14。
而且警长会允许你待到很晚 
郭先生？ 
SHROFF 女士：不是警察。我们想要郭先生
回来因为那样他在回去之前就坐在围栏里
向上。因此，这不是警官是否会把他带回来。  
但是，法官大人，我可以问一个问题关于 
两位陪审员明天会回来给出答案？ 
法庭：是的。
SHROFF 女士：那不会影响我们的方式吗
选择？如果他们俩都得不到报酬，你呢
打算原谅他们还是他们——
法庭：我们明天再讨论这个问题。
SHROFF 女士：所以——
法庭：换句话说，如果他们回到我身边
并说我们不会在整个时间内得到报酬
那会构成经济困难，那我就会
对不起。

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SHROFF 女士：对。所以这就是原因，所以
我们在等待这两个的答案。这是合乎逻辑的
在听取他们的意见后行使我们的专横权力。
法庭：哦，当然。绝对。所以我们会
明天听见。
KAMARAJU 先生：哦，好吧。
SHROFF 女士：没关系。
KAMARAJU 先生：对不起，法官大人。我们在咨询
和郭先生在一起然后现在就专横行事。
法院：不是。
SHROFF 女士：好吧，好吧。谢谢。我就是这样
意味着。太棒了。非常感谢。
MURRAY 女士：我还想注意到他们在里面
无论如何，接下来的两组 12 都不是。所以如果我们有
今晚去了 peremptories，这不会影响
接下来的两组。
法庭：除非我们有这些人上来了
找借口。
MURRAY 女士：不，我明白。
KAMARAJU 先生：没错，法官大人。我们没有
知道早上会发生什么。
MURRAY 女士：只是在计算数字。
KAMARAJU 先生：谢谢你，法官大人。我们很感激
它。
法庭：好吧。好吧。

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（在公开法庭上） 
法院：第202号。
陪审员：202 号陪审员，来自新州加里森市普特南县
约克。
法庭：你说的是加里森吗？
陪审员：加里森，对，有 G
法庭：那你在那里待了多久了？
陪审员：我一生中的大部分时间。
法庭：好吧。那你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：企业管理学士学位。
法庭：那你的工作是什么？
陪审员：我负责放射科的客户服务
医院。
法庭：你已经这样做了五年了？
陪审员：是的。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你家里还有其他成年人吗
谁在工作？
陪审员：我妈妈是一名平面设计师；我父亲是
惩教人员；哦，还有我哥哥在尼克斯队工作。
法庭：好吧。事实上你父亲是
惩教人员，这会影响你的能力吗
在本案中成为公平公正的陪审员？

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陪审员：没有。
法院：你会倾向于偏向于吗
政府？
陪审员：没有。我不会和他谈论他的工作。
法庭：好吧。
你会对政府有偏见吗？ 
陪审员：没有。
法院：你会对郭先生有偏见吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你会对他有偏见吗？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物吗？
陪审员：更像是 YouTube 上的人。
法院：有俱乐部或组织吗？
陪审员：我是纽约州猎鹰队的一员
协会。
法院：你如何度过业余时间？
陪审员：我创作音乐，开发电子游戏。
法庭：不在鸟身上？
陪审员：没有。我正走上成为猎鹰运动员的道路，但是
我本人刚拿到许可证。但我确实去找猛禽
活动，是的。
法庭：任何会阻止你进入的内容
本案的陪审员是公平公正的？
陪审员：没有。

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法院：第14号。
陪审员：第 14 号。
法院：那你居住的县是哪里？
陪审员：布朗克斯。
法院：那你的邻居是什么？
陪审员：纽约布朗克斯区。仅此而已。
法院：我在问布朗克斯区的问题。
陪审员：我不知道。分区是布朗克斯——布朗克斯。
仅此而已。我只知道布朗克斯。
法庭：好吧。
陪审员：我住的街道是布朗克斯大道。
法庭：好吧。那你在学校走了多远？
陪审员：读完高中。
法庭：你的工作？
陪审员：我知道 —— 现在我失业了三年
几年了。
法庭：那你以前做了什么
失业了？
陪审员：仓库工人。
法庭：那你当仓库工人多久了？
陪审员：六年半到七年。
法庭：你结婚了还是有重要关系
关系？
陪审员：我丧偶了。
法庭：听到这个消息我很抱歉。

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你家里还有其他成年人工作吗？
陪审员：不，我一个人住。
法庭：你喜欢任何类型的读物、书籍吗
杂志、网站？
陪审员：嗯，我真正读的唯一一本书是《圣经》，
圣经。仅此而已。我会读其他东西，但不是这样 —— 不是
你知道，宗教读者除外。
法庭：你属于任何俱乐部还是
组织？
陪审员：没有。
法庭：那你是如何度过业余时间的？
陪审员：我听音乐和 YouTube。
法庭：有什么能阻止你的吗
不想成为本案的公平和公正的陪审员？
陪审员：不，不是。
法院：好吧。律师，请加紧努力。
（在侧边栏上） 
法庭：我只想看看那些在场的人
被解雇：101、102、103、108、109、110 没人出现，111
112, 113, 114, 116, 117, 118, 119, 121, 122, 123, 124, 127,
129、130 —
MURRAY 女士：也是 125。
法院：那是 125，对吧？127, 129, 130, 131,
132, 133, 134, 136, 139, 140, 141, 143, 144, 148, 149, 150,
151, 152, 153, 154, 155, 156, 157, 158, 159, 160, 160, 162, 164,

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165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 174, 175, 176, 177, 176, 177,
178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 188, 189, 193, 194
196、197、198、200、201、203、204。
好吧。因此，这些人将成为 
对不起，谁明天早上不会回来。这个 
其余的将在明天早上回来，包括四个 
我们希望它们从昨天起已经在这里待了一整天。 
法律书记员：我想已经八点了。
法院：有八个？哦。八。
KAMARAJU 先生：应该坐两个，对吧？
SHROFF 女士：有四个待处理。
法院：我们有两个被选中，但我没有
发誓那些。
KAMARAJU 先生：当然。
书记员：法官，我能读一下谁的名单吗
左？
法庭：好吧。
书记员：所以我们剩下的就是这个人：104，
105, 106, 107, 115, 120, 126, 128, 135, 137, 138, 142, 145,
146, 147, 161, 163, 173, 186, 187, 190, 191, 192, 195, 199, 202
还有 14。
法庭：好吧。所以——
KAMARAJU 先生：你说的是 190 吗？对不起。
法律书记员：是的。
法庭：所以我们现在要原谅那些人

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明天不会回来的人。而当你
明天再来，我们将继续使用强制性
挑战。
还有什么吗？ 
芬克尔先生：他们明天都会回来。
法庭：哦，是的，确实如此。我们确实如此。也许我
甚至应该带来 —— 在这些离开之后，也许我应该带
在这八人中，并提醒他们有义务返回。
法律书记员：除了
这些人。
法庭：嗯，你可以看那些人的名单
不好意思。
法律书记员：好吧。
法庭：好吧。
（下一页继续）

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（在公开法庭上） 
法院：斯坦伯格先生。
法律书记员：下午好。以下的人
不好意思。我们感谢你今天和昨天来到这里
并为您服务。其他所有人，姓名或数字
我不打电话，请坐下。
陪审员 101、102、103、108、109、111、112、113、114
116, 117, 118, 119, 121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 127, 129, 130,
131, 132, 133, 134, 136, 139, 140, 141, 143, 144, 一个 148, 149
150, 151, 152, 153, 154, 155, 156, 157, 158, 159, 160, 160, 162,
164, 165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 174, 175, 176, 175, 176,
177, 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 188, 188, 189, 193,
194、196、197、198、200、201、203、204。
如果你听到你的电话号码，你可以马上离开。谢谢
再次为你服务。
如果您没有听到您的电话号码，请保持座位。
（上面列出的陪审员被解雇） 
法庭：我想先向陪审员道歉
谁已经等了一整天，你们中的八个人
忠实地回来了。除了我的情况之外还有其他情况
控制，而且超出了各方的控制范围，这导致了我们
会比我们预期的时间长一点。但是，审判
明天就要开始了，我需要你和每一个
这个房间里的另一位陪审员将于明天上午9点整返回。
准时到达这里非常重要。有这样

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审判中有许多动人的片段，律师、被告、
目击者，每个人都必须准时才能让我们
使这个流程正常进行。
你现在必须遵守的一条重要规则和
在试用期的其余部分中，你不被允许
彼此之间或与其他人讨论此案。
不要允许任何人在你面前讨论此案。而且
所以明天早上 9 点我会见到大家。玩得开心
晚上。
而且每个人都要去 26A。26A 就是那个房间
你要去。
（陪审员不在场） 
（在侧边栏上；陪审员在场） 
法院：你的号码是多少？
法律书记员：163。
法院：是的。
陪审员：那么第一个问题是，我被选为陪审员了吗
陪审员，还是我 —— 你们能缩小范围吗，或者——
法院：我们已经缩小了范围，但还没有
已经完成了，所以你可能会被选为陪审员。
陪审员：我的后续问题是，所以我得到 30
陪审团的天数是可以补偿的如果这个案子持续到
7 月 12 日，我想你就是这么说的，我得去——我有一个
全公司将在 7 月 4 日之后的一周休息，所以我不确定是否
这会影响任何事情。

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法庭：哦，你的意思是这本质上是一个
度假？
陪审员：接下来我公司的每个人都有休息一周
7 月 4 日这一周。那又怎样——我之所以提出这个问题是
因为我认为这不会再是一场冲突了，
假设此案不会持续到7月12日。
法庭：好吧。那你想确认吗
那么？
陪审员：我可以证实，是的。我得让你去
早上知道，我去之前能不能得到回复
早上在这里。因为我有一台工作笔记本电脑，所以——
法院：好吧。祝你好运。
陪审员：我只是想告诉你。
法院：谢谢。
（陪审员不在场） 
芬克尔先生:这解决了一个后勤问题,
因为问题周是7月12日之后的一周
无论如何他都会休假，换句话说，这30天，如
我明白了，他有保障。
SHROFF 女士：这是一种非常糟糕的消耗方式
下班休假一周。我想这就是他想要的
说。
法庭：我只想确保我们都同意
这实际上涵盖了整个时间？
芬克尔先生：是的。

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法庭：好吧。好吧。好吧，他会来找我们的
明天早上。
所有法律顾问：谢谢你，法官大人。
法院：谢谢。我们完成了。
芬克尔先生：对不起。一件事。
法庭：来吧。
芬克尔先生：所以我正在仔细考虑
明天的霸权。因此，假设在中间，
第二组12项强制性权利的行使使得三个
他们中的一人进入了真正的陪审团之中还有六个或
所以剩下的没被击中，它们会自动被击中吗
成为候补成员还是有新的 12 人小组
我们在哪一点上行使替代权力？
法院：所以我们先选一个由12人组成的陪审团，然后再有一个陪审团
我们逐一考虑候补人员。
芬克尔先生：好吧。
法庭：他们不是四人一组，也不是一组
六。这是一个，然后是另一个，然后是另一个。
芬克尔先生：连续。
法院：正确。
芬克尔先生：好吧。谢谢。
法院：是的。
SCHIRICK 先生：谢谢。
（延期至 2024 年 5 月 24 日上午 9:00）