Original Court Transcript(原始庭审记录)
2021
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
------------------------------x
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
v. 23 Cr. 118 (AT)
MILES GUO,
Defendant. Trial
------------------------------x
New York, N.Y.
June 11, 2024
9:02 a.m.
Before:
HON. ANALISA TORRES,
District Judge
-and a Jury-
APPEARANCES
DAMIAN WILLIAMS
United States Attorney for the
Southern District of New York
BY: MICAH F. FERGENSON
RYAN B. FINKEL
JUSTIN HORTON
JULIANA N. MURRAY
Assistant United States Attorneys
SABRINA P. SHROFF
Attorney for Defendant
PRYOR CASHMAN LLP
Attorneys for Defendant
BY: SIDHARDHA KAMARAJU
MATTHEW BARKAN
ALSTON & BIRD LLP
Attorneys for Defendant
BY: E. SCOTT SCHIRICK
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2022
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1
ALSO PRESENT:
Isabel Loftus, Paralegal Specialist, USAO
Michael Gartland, Paralegal Specialist, USAO
Geoffrey Mearns, Paralegal Specialist, USAO
Robert Stout, Special Agent, FBI
Ruben Montilla, Defense Paralegal
Tuo Huang, Interpreter (Mandarin)
Shi Feng, Interpreter (Mandarin)
Yu Mark Tang, Interpreter (Mandarin)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2023
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1
(Trial resumed; jury not present)
THE COURT: Good morning. Please make your
appearances.
MS. MURRAY: Good morning, your Honor. Juliana
Murray, Ryan Finkel and Justin Horton. We'll also be joined by
Micah Fergenson on behalf of the United States. We're joined at
counsel's table by Paralegal Specialist Jeff Mearns.
MR. KAMARAJU: Good morning, your Honor. Sidhardha
Kamaraju, Scott Schirick and Claire Tilden on behalf of
Mr. Guo, and Mr. Guo is with us at counsel's table.
THE COURT: Please be seated. Have you resolved the
issue of the transcription?
MS. MURRAY: Not yet, your Honor. We attempted to
discuss with defense counsel after the trial day yesterday. We
don't have resolution yet, but we will speak with them again
before the jury comes in at 9:30 today.
THE COURT: I wanted to clarify something. I may have
left you with the impression that the transcript as an aid
cannot go back into the jury room. That's not the case. It
can go back into the jury room as an aid. It's just that
typically I have ruled that they're to rely on the actual
recording. However, the parties could agree that they may
relay equally on the transcription.
MS. MURRAY: Yes, your Honor. We will continue to
discuss with defense counsel. This is a situation where we do
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2024
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1
have a stipulation, and our understanding was that the parties
stipulated that the transcripts, including the English were
admitted entirely as evidence. We appreciate your Honor's
clarification. We certainly would want the transcripts to go
back to the jury in any event, whether as evidence or as an aid
because otherwise the Mandarin translation, which is evidence,
could not be understood without context. But again we'll
engage with defense counsel, and we'll come back to the Court
on this issue.
THE COURT: All right. Is there anything further?
MS. MURRAY: With respect to scheduling, your Honor.
We've spoken with defense counsel. If it's okay with the Court
and with the jury, we would propose that Wednesday through
Friday this week we sit an additional 15 minutes until 3:00.
We're still discussing potential schedule change for next week,
and we would propose to come to the Court hopefully tomorrow
morning with a joint proposal.
THE COURT: All righty. Is there anything else?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from us, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: Thank you.
(Recess)
(Jury not present)
THE COURT: Please have the jurors brought in.
THE LAW CLERK: Jury entering.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2025
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1
(Jury present)
THE COURT: Good morning, jurors. Please be seated.
And, counsel, could you approach.
(Continued on next page)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2026
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1
(At the sidebar)
THE COURT: I just wanted to ask which Wednesday,
Thursday and Friday you want the extra 15?
MS. MURRAY: This week.
THE COURT: I'll ask them now.
(Continued on next page)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2027
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
(In open court)
THE COURT: Members of the jury, we are running a bit
behind. And I wanted to ask if for tomorrow, Thursday and
Friday you could stay until 3 p.m. Is that all right? Anybody
who cannot stay until 3 p.m.? All right. So that's what we'll
do. Now we're going to continue with the direct examination of
Mr. Khaled. Remember, sir, that you're still under.
HAITHAM KHALED, resumed.
DIRECT EXAMINATION CONTINUED
BY MS. MURRAY:
Q. Mr. Khaled, just to remind you, could you keep the
microphone in front of your mouth so the jurors can hear you.
A. Sure.
Q. When we left off yesterday, we were talking about certain
recordings that you had made. Do you recall that?
A. Yes.
Q. And you testified yesterday that approximately $100 million
had came into Crane's account in March and April of 2021.
What, if anything, at the time was your reaction to
that volume of incoming wire activity?
A. I was nervous because it was just a large sum amount that
was in my account without any clear instructions what to do
with it.
Q. Why, if at all, were you nervous about that amount of
money?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2028
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
A. It was a lot of liability. It was over $100 million, just
concern of what's the status on what's going to happen,
especially there hasn't been I think accounts that are open for
G/Club or any other entities, so.
Q. Did there come a time, if ever, when you were asked to
transfer that money that was in Crane's accounts to accounts
held in the name of another company?
A. Yes.
Q. What company?
A. Himalaya Exchange.
Q. And to your knowledge who, if anyone, controls the Himalaya
exchange?
A. That was William Je.
Q. Were the accounts you were asked to transfer the money to
held in the name of the Himalaya Exchange?
A. There was talks to open an account for Crane with the
Himalaya Exchange which was a fund to invest in crypto.
Q. When you say crypto, what are you referring to?
THE COURT: One moment, please. You said there was
talks to open an account for Crane with the Himalaya Exchange
which was a fund to invest in, if you could please explain what
you mean by that?
THE WITNESS: I was requested to open an account for
Crane with the Himalaya Exchange as a fund, as an investment
fund.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2029
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
THE COURT: I am not following what you mean. Perhaps
you could ask some questions to clarify that.
MS. MURRAY: Yes, your Honor.
Q. Mr. Khaled, so we're talking about a hundred million or so
dollars that are in Crane's accounts in March and April of
2020, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And what was your understanding, if anything, of the source
of those funds?
A. It was a mix of members for G/Club, also investors.
Q. What investors?
A. There were two entities that were going to be invested in.
One was a private offering for tech company and one was
H Dollar.
Q. Focusing on the first, what was the tech company relating
to the private offering?
A. It was a tech company that was going to be created in the
Cayman Islands for a private offering to establish a tech
platform.
Q. Do you know the name of that tech company?
A. I don't remember it, no.
Q. Who, if anyone, controlled that tech company?
A. It wasn't a control, but the creation of that tech company
was being done with Yvette and an attorney in Cayman.
Q. Who, if anyone, did you discuss the tech company with?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2030
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
A. Just Yvette and the attorneys.
Q. So that was the first category of investor money that you
mentioned. What was the second category?
A. It was an H Dollar.
Q. What's H Dollar?
A. It was a cryptocurrency that was being established.
Q. Who told you that?
A. Yvette.
Q. So the request that you mention to transfer the funds from
Crane's account, who, if anyone, did you discuss that request
to transfer the funds with?
A. William Je.
Q. What were those discussions?
A. Opening up an account for Crane to invest in H Dollar.
Q. And to be clear, William Je asked Crane to invest in H
Dollar using what funds?
A. The funds that were with Crane.
Q. What, if anything, was your reaction to the request to
transfer the funds that Crane's held to the Himalaya Exchange?
A. I told them I cannot do it because Crane cannot be an
investor if it's not instructed to.
Q. What do you mean if it's not instructed to?
A. If it's not instructed by the people that sent the money to
Crane.
Q. Did there come a time when Crane entered into a legal
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2031
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
agreement with G/Clubs?
A. Yes.
Q. What type of agreement?
A. Payment facilitation agreement/escrow agreement.
Q. Can you describe what that means?
A. That means Crane will receive money for G/Club on behalf of
members, and it will conduct a compliance, a KYC check, and
then transfer the money to G/Club.
Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could please publish what's in evidence
as Government Exhibit BR-1515.
Mr. Khaled, do you recall the effective date of the
payment facilitation agreement with G/Clubs?
A. Effective date was November of 2020.
Q. And when did you enter into the payment facilitation
agreement with G/Clubs?
A. In May 2021 I think.
MS. SHROFF: Did you say May 2021?
THE WITNESS: Yes.
Q. Why, if at all, was the effective date of the payment
facilitation agreement backdated from the date that it was
signed?
A. To capture the entire amount that came into Crane. And
until that time, that's when everyone agreed on how to properly
transfer this money.
Q. What do you mean everyone agreed? To whom are you
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2032
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
referring?
A. I mean the discussion was done with Miles Guo, Mileson,
in-house attorney Ana, my attorneys. There was discussion with
William about it as well and a gentleman named David Long
Island.
Q. Looking at this, is this the payment facilitation agreement
you mention between Crane and G/Club?
A. Yes.
Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could zoom in on the top portion, please.
Looking at the first line, Mr. Khaled, can you read
the effective date of this agreement?
A. November 23, 2020.
Q. And then if we could go, Ms. Loftus, please, and look at
the date that this was signed.
Mr. Khaled, what date did you sign this agreement on
behalf of Crane?
A. May 12, 2021.
Q. What, if any, fee was Crane entitled to collect under the
payment facilitation agreement?
A. Two percent fee.
Q. Two percent of what?
A. Of the cleared amount, which is a hundred -- it was 137
million at that point.
Q. What do you mean by the cleared amount? If you could just
break that down for us.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2033
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
A. Any payments that went through the process and a
KYC/indemnity package was received from the sender with
instructions where the money should go, that amount, that
transfer was considered a cleared amount. And everyday as many
packages we had received, there will be a total amount that
goes out to G/Club.
Q. Ms. Loftus, we can take that down.
So, Mr. Khaled, once Crane cleared funds, what, if
anything, happened with that money that was then held in Crane
bank accounts?
A. It went to G/Clubs Morgan Stanley account.
Q. How, if at all, did you know what account to send the
cleared funds to?
A. I was told that was the only Morgan Stanley account open
for G/Club. G/Club had no other accounts. And the account was
opened through me, so that's the account that we had and that
was in the agreement, that was in the instructions with Ana.
Q. How, if at all, did the parties decide on a two percent fee
for Crane for any cleared funds?
A. It was discussed with Mileson that there needs to be a
financial transaction and an arm's length setup where Crane
would receive a monetary compensation for the work that it's
doing for G/Club. A research was done on the average escrow
fee, and the two percent was the determined and agreed on.
Q. What do you mean by arm's length?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2034
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
A. Having a separate company where it's not considered just
one company, just separate, separate management where the role
of compliance is being performed properly.
Q. And at the time that Crane entered into the payment
facilitation agreement with G/Clubs, at what office location
were you working?
A. I was still at 162, 64th Street the townhouse.
Q. At the time that Crane entered into the payment
facilitation agreement with G/Clubs, what entity was paying
your salary?
A. Lexington.
Q. And what entity formally employed you?
A. Saraca.
Q. Between May and June of 2021, approximately what volume of
G/Club member funds did Crane clear from its accounts?
A. Approximately 97 million, something like that.
Q. And what was the approximate amount of the two percent fee
that Crane was entitled to for clearing those funds?
A. About two million.
Q. Did there come a time when G/Club terminated the payment
facilitation agreement?
A. Yes.
Q. Approximately when was that?
A. I think June or July of 2021.
Q. What basis, if any, did G/Clubs provide for terminating
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2035
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
that agreement?
A. They said that I breached the contract and I was taking too
long to clear funds.
Q. Who, if anyone, said that?
A. There's a couple of calls where there was a complaint that
money needs to be transferred now, needs to be transferred now.
It was done by Miles Guo, David from Long Island, some
employees like Ming that worked with us in the townhouse.
Yvette got on a couple of calls.
Q. And after G/Club terminated the payment facilitation
agreement, what, if anything, happened next with respect to
Crane?
A. After the termination, G/Club sued Crane through an
arbitration process.
Q. We'll turn to the arbitration in a moment. After the
payment facilitation agreement was terminated, what, if
anything, happened with the two percent service fees that Crane
held?
A. I transferred it to my personal account.
Q. Why?
A. I was entitled to it.
Q. Was that approximately $2.7 million?
A. Yes.
Q. After you transferred that money to your personal account,
what, if anything, did you do with it?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2036
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
A. I purchased properties, investment properties.
Q. In whose name did you purchase those properties?
A. My wife and entities that are owned by my wife.
Q. Why, if at all, did you purchase those properties in your
wife's name or in the names of entities owned by your wife?
A. Wanted to make sure that if anything, any lawsuits or
anything might happen to me, that the properties are in someone
else's name that I trust.
Q. Why?
A. I was fearing something might happen to me physically. I
have a family, wanted to protect them and give them at least
financial security.
Q. And what, if anything, did you agree to do under your
non-prosecution agreement with the government with respect to
that $2.7 million?
A. I have to forfeit the entire thing.
Q. Does that include forfeiting the properties that you
purchased with those funds?
A. Yes, ma'am.
Q. What is the current status of that forfeiture?
A. One property was sold already. One is pending, and the
rest are for sale.
Q. And to your understanding under your non-prosecution
agreement, is that a continuing obligation until you forfeited
the full amount of 2.7 million?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2037
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
A. Yes, ma'am.
Q. Ms. Loftus, can we please pull up Government Exhibit 417.
It's a recording that we were listening to yesterday,
Mr. Khaled.
I'd like to start at the 15 minute -- excuse me,
Ms. Loftus. Actually at the seven minute and 20 second
timestamp. This is page eight in the transcript. Ms. Loftus,
I think we left off a bit further along. Can we start at the
nine minute and 30 second mark, and we can play that. Thank
you.
(Media played)
Q. Mr. Khaled, can you just remind us in this conversation
what is happening?
A. Miles is trying to find out missing money that, that he was
told was transferred; but that missing money was in transit
stuck with Medici correspondent bank.
Q. And this conversation was a meeting among several people
that you participated in remotely, correct?
MS. SHROFF: Objection to the leading, your Honor. We
covered all this yesterday.
MS. MURRAY: Your Honor, I'm just trying to remind the
jury where we were yesterday.
THE COURT: You mentioned a call; is that correct?
THE WITNESS: Yes.
THE COURT: And who was present on the call?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2038
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
THE WITNESS: Miles Guo, Yvette Wang, Alex
Hadjicharalambous which is an employee in the townhouse with
us, myself on the call.
THE COURT: Is that a phone call or a video
conference?
THE WITNESS: Alex and Yvette were in the townhouse.
I was in my house on a video and Miles Guo was also on a call.
I don't know if it was a video. I couldn't see.
THE COURT: And the figure 18.2, is that the missing
money that you were referring to?
THE WITNESS: Yeah, he wanted a reconciliation of a
total of 32 million, and 18.2 million was the missing part.
THE COURT: You may continue.
BY MS. MURRAY:
Q. What, if anything, was the source of that $18.2 million?
MS. SHROFF: Objection, asked and answered yesterday.
THE COURT: You may answer.
A. So it's transferred by individuals to G/Club without any
reference to the beneficiary, so it did not say G/Club or did
not have any reference, just monies transferred to Medici.
MS. MURRAY: Ms. Loftus, we can continue playing.
(Media played)
MS. MURRAY: We can pause, Ms. Loftus.
Q. Mr. Khaled, what, if anything, did you discuss with Miles
Guo about the amount of money beyond the 18 million that he
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2039
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
believed was missing?
A. I gave him a reconciliation of what -- how much G/Club had
at Medici for that amount.
MS. MURRAY: Ms. Loftus, can we go to 15 minutes and
50 seconds, please. This is on page 13 of the transcript.
(Media played)
MS. MURRAY: Pause, Ms. Loftus, please.
Q. Mr. Khaled, who is Limarie that you referred to there?
A. She was hired as a CEO for G/Club operations in Puerto
Rico.
Q. And you reference open tickets, what does that refer to?
A. These are complaints similar to a customer service case.
Q. Complaints by whom?
A. People that sent the money.
Q. People that sent what money?
A. The 18.2 million, we're assuming that it's the 18.2 million
that was sent to G/Club, per Medici for G/Club.
Q. And you mentioned Orbit --
MS. SHROFF: Actually, your Honor. I'm going to move
to strike anything with assuming. If he knows, he knows. And
if he doesn't know, he doesn't know.
THE COURT: Yeah. He shouldn't be called on to, to
make assumption.
MS. MURRAY: Could we have a read back of Mr. Khaled's
last answer, please?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2040
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
MS. SHROFF: That's the one I objected to.
MS. MURRAY: If we could read back until the point
that it was struck. I understand that you were striking after
assuming.
(Record was read)
Q. Mr. Khaled, you said that it had to do with people
complaining, who were those people?
A. People that wired monies.
Q. Wire money for what purpose?
MS. SHROFF: Objection. He just testified he didn't
know.
THE COURT: If you know the purpose that they wired
the money, you can state it.
A. To G/Club.
Q. Why, if at all, did those people wire money to G/Club?
MS. SHROFF: Same objection.
THE COURT: If you know, you may answer.
A. I don't know why.
Q. You mentioned Orbit with respect to complaints, what is
Orbit?
A. Orbit was the customer service company servicing G/Club.
MS. MURRAY: We can continue, Ms. Loftus.
(Media played)
MS. MURRAY: Pause, please, Ms. Loftus.
Q. Mr. Khaled, there was a reference in what Yvette just said
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2041
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
to CCP. What do you understand that to refer to?
A. Chinese Communist Party.
Q. And at the time of this meeting or call April 28, 2021,
what was your understanding, if anything, about whether the
banking issue related to the Chinese Communist Party?
A. In many events I was told by Yvette, in-house attorneys and
Miles Guo that the CCP is trying to interrupt business flow for
any of the G entities.
Q. Approximately when did Yvette, Miles Guo, and attorneys
tell you that?
A. Since I started working with Yvette and Miles.
Q. And that's in August of 2020?
MS. SHROFF: Objection to the leading. It's asked and
answered.
THE COURT: Overruled. You may answer.
A. Yes.
Q. When you started working at Saraca, did you believe that
explanation regarding the communist party?
A. I did.
Q. Why?
A. It was a good theory, good story. There's a lot of news
about Chinese versus America, so it made sense then.
Q. Did there come a time when you stopped believing that the
communist party was responsible for the G series banking
issues?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2042
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
A. Yes.
Q. Around when was that?
A. April, May of 2021.
Q. Why, if at all, did your view change?
A. Because there wasn't really anything there to help and
support that mission that was happening between G/Club and the
other entities.
Q. What do you mean by that?
A. Initially it was a G/Club membership to help individuals
access U.S. services, resources. By April, May, there was a
lot of money between G/Club accounts, Crane's accounts, but
none of the services that were going to -- that were told will
be provided was in place.
G/Club still had very few employees, zero to none
services, so it wasn't real anymore what we were doing.
MS. MURRAY: Ms. Loftus, we can continue playing,
please.
(Media played)
MS. MURRAY: Pause, please.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, I apologize. The English
portion needs to be translated from the recording for Mr. Guo.
I apologize.
THE COURT: Of course. The interpreters need to
translate whatever is stated in English including on the
recording.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2043
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
THE INTERPRETER: Of course.
MS. SHROFF: Thank you, your Honor.
Q. Mr. Khaled, in that portion of the recording that we just
listened to, who, if anyone, is giving instructions regarding
what G/Clubs should do?
A. Miles Guo.
Q. And who else?
A. And Yvette.
MS. MURRAY: Ms. Loftus, can we please go to the 19
minute and 45 second mark, start playing there.
(Media played)
MS. MURRAY: Can you pause, Ms. Loftus.
Q. Mr. Khaled, do you know what contract is being referred to
in this portion of the recording?
A. The contract is a loan agreement in order to facilitate a
wire transfer for 20 or 50 million.
Q. Do you know who the parties to that loan agreement were?
A. I think it was Fiesta.
Q. What is the full name of that entity?
A. I don't recall the full name. Fiesta Properties, something
like that.
MS. MURRAY: Ms. Loftus, we can continue.
(Media played)
MS. MURRAY: Can you pause, Ms. Loftus.
Q. Mr. Khaled, in those discussions which were translated in
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2044
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
the captions from Mandarin, was there any reference to the
communist party with respect to potential account closures?
A. No.
MS. MURRAY: We can keep playing.
(Media played)
MS. MURRAY: Can you pause, Ms. Loftus, please.
Q. Mr. Khaled, what foundation do you understand to be
referenced in these conversations?
A. It's the Himalaya Fund.
Q. And whose foundation is that, if anyone's?
A. Himalaya Fund was for -- controlled by William Je.
MS. MURRAY: We can continue, please, Ms. Loftus.
(Media played)
MS. MURRAY: Pause, Ms. Loftus.
Q. Mr. Khaled, do you recognize the voice of the person who is
added to this call indicated here as Yu?
A. That's William Je.
MS. MURRAY: Thank you, Ms. Loftus. You can continue.
(Media played)
MS. MURRAY: We can pause, Ms. Loftus, and if you can
go to 26 minutes and 17 seconds. This is on page 21 of the
transcript.
(Media played)
MS. MURRAY: Can you pause, please. If we could go
back just a moment to the reference to Alex.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2045
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
(Media played). You can pause.
Q. Mr. Khaled, who, if anyone, do you understand that Alex
reference to be?
A. Alex Hadjicharalambous.
Q. Did you have an understanding of whether Alex was a formal
employee of G/Club?
A. He was an employee of G Fashion, but worked on G/Club.
Q. What were Alex's duties and responsibilities with respect
to G/Club?
A. His title was controller, and he was in charge of
accounting, specifically the reconciliation of member IDs with
the money that comes in.
Q. And earlier there was a reference to a Mr. He, did you hear
that or read that?
A. Yes.
Q. Who do you understand that to be?
A. The ultimate beneficiary of G/Club and its parent companies
Jovial.
Q. And what is his full name?
A. Haoran He.
Q. We can continue for a moment, Ms. Loftus.
(Media played)
Q. Pause please.
Mr. Khaled, in that portion that we justly listened
to, who, if anyone, was Yvette referencing with respect to
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2046
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
potential investigation into the transfers?
A. I'm sorry. Can you go back.
Q. If we can go back just a moment, Ms. Loftus.
(Media played)
Q. Pause there.
A. The regulatory authorities investigate.
Q. Was there any reference in this portion of the conversation
to the CCP?
A. No, ma'am.
Q. We can continue, Ms. Loftus.
(Media played)
Q. Can you pause, Ms. Loftus. Just go back one moment.
Mr. Khaled, can you read the second sentence here in
the portion that Yvette just spoke?
A. Do you think a normal company would do this.
Q. All right. We can continue.
(Media played)
Q. Can you pause, Ms. Loftus.
Mr. Khaled, in this discussion regarding the hundred
million dollars that's in Crane's accounts, is there any
discussion regarding the services that G/Club provides to its
members?
A. No.
THE COURT: Mr. Khaled, would you remind me who is
Mr. Yu?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2047
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
THE WITNESS: William Je.
Q. Ms. Loftus, we can continue.
(Media played)
Q. Mr. Khaled, you joined this meeting by video; is that
correct?
A. Yes.
Q. What, if anything, happened after the portion of the
meeting that we just listened to?
A. Yvette threw the remote control onto the TV where Guo was.
Q. How do you know that?
A. I saw it and heard the crack. And then when I came to the
office the second day, I saw the TV cracked.
Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could turn please to Government Exhibit
404 and 404-T.
MS. MURRAY: Your Honor, if I may approach Mr. Khaled
with a physical binder of the transcripts as well.
THE COURT: You may.
Q. Mr. Khaled, 404-T is up on the screen. You're welcome to
follow along in the binder.
What was the date of the conversation that was
recorded here?
A. May 4, 2021.
Q. And the time?
A. 6:13, sorry 5:13.
Q. 5:13 p.m.?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2048
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
A. Yes.
Q. We can go to the next page.
Ms. Loftus, if we could start playing -- excuse me.
Go back up, please. Who are the participants to this call?
A. Myself and William Je.
Q. We can go to the next page and start playing the recording,
please.
(Media played)
Q. Can you pause, Ms. Loftus.
Mr. Khaled, this call was approximately one week after
the call we just listened to; is that correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And the funds that are being discussed during this call
between you and William Je, are those the same funds that were
discussed during the earlier call?
A. No.
Q. What is the difference?
A. The other funds that were discussed was money that was at
G/Club Morgan Stanley account that was collected directly
through G/Club and was parked at Morgan Stanley's account.
These funds were the monies transferred from November to April,
May to Crane's account.
Q. And in these discussions with Mr. Je, why, if at all, is
the purchase order number or the membership number relevant to
Crane's work?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2049
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO1 Khaled- Direct
A. Because in order to match that this money is actually for
G/Club, there had to be a membership number and a membership
agreement signed by the members.
Q. Ms. Loftus, we can continue playing.
(Media played)
Q. You can pause, Ms. Loftus.
Mr. Khaled, what, if anything, is your understanding
of what the reference to shares of the future GTV means?
A. They would get a stake in GTV, like stock shares of the
private offering.
MS. MURRAY: All right. We can continue, Ms. Loftus.
(Media played)
Q. Can you pause, Ms. Loftus.
Mr. Khaled, in that conversation that you just had,
the reference to a different explanation the prior week, with
whom, if anyone, had you been discussing these funds in advance
of this call we're listening to?
A. Yvette, Miles and Mileson.
(Continued on next page)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2050
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO2 Khaled - Direct
BY MS. MURRAY:
Q. And at the time of this call on May 4, 2021, what was your
understanding of what these funds represented?
A. I was still confused. I did not know.
MS. SHROFF: I'm sorry. I didn't catch that.
THE WITNESS: I was still confused. I did not know at
that time.
MS. MURRAY: Ms. Loftus, if we could please go to
Government Exhibits 405 and 405-T.
Q. And this is in your binder as well if you want to find it,
Mr. Khaled.
There we go. What is the date of this call?
A. May 4, 2021.
Q. The same date as the call we just listened to?
A. Yes.
Q. And what is the time?
A. 5:42.
Q. And who are the participants in this call?
A. William Je, myself, and David from Long Island.
MS. MURRAY: Ms. Loftus, if we could please go to the
6:53 mark, and that's page 10 of the transcript.
We could start playing the audio, Ms. Loftus.
(Audio played)
MS. MURRAY: Sorry, Ms. Loftus. It's page 5.
(Audio replayed)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2051
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO2 Khaled - Direct
MS. MURRAY: Can we pause, please, Ms. Loftus.
BY MS. MURRAY:
Q. Mr. Khaled, what role, if any, did Long Island David have
at G Club?
A. No role.
Q. Why, if at all, was he involved in these discussions
regarding the movement of G Club money?
A. It was for facilitating the package, the payment
facilitation package that Crane requested from the farms.
Q. From which farms in particular?
A. Didn't specify exactly which one.
Q. And who, if anyone, introduced Long Island David to these
conversations regarding the money held in Crane's account?
A. Yvette Wang.
MS. MURRAY: All right. Ms. Loftus, if we could
please now go to Government Exhibits 406 and 406-T.
Q. Mr. Khaled, what's the date of this recorded call?
A. May 6, 2021.
Q. And the time?
A. 9:43 a.m.
Q. That's two days after the call we just listened to, right?
A. Yes, ma'am.
Q. Who are the participants?
A. Mileson Guo and myself.
MS. MURRAY: All right. Ms. Loftus, if we could
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2052
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO2 Khaled - Direct
please start at the 8:35 mark. This is page 8 of the
transcript, near the bottom of that page.
(Audio played)
Q. What Ana is that referring to?
A. Ana the attorney, in-house attorney for G Club Operation in
Puerto Rico.
MS. MURRAY: All right. We can continue, Ms. Loftus.
(Audio continued)
MS. MURRAY: Can you pause, Ms. Loftus.
Q. Mr. Khaled, what did you mean when you said "it keeps
changing"?
A. The purpose of the money keeps changing.
MS. MURRAY: We can continue, Ms. Loftus.
(Audio continued)
MS. MURRAY: Can we pause, Ms. Loftus.
Q. Mr. Khaled, there's a reference to you receiving 1300.
What does that mean?
A. 1300 wires.
MS. MURRAY: All right. We can continue.
(Audio continued)
MS. MURRAY: Can you pause, Ms. Loftus.
Q. Mr. Khaled, the reference to Hamilton checking its box,
what does that mean?
A. So Hamilton, to receive money from Crane, they needed to
conduct KYC on Crane, so that is what the checking the boxes
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2053
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO2 Khaled - Direct
is.
Q. With respect to the various stated purposes we've seen for
this fund, what role, if any, did Hamilton play?
A. Hamilton was the entity that is receiving money for the H
Dollar.
MS. MURRAY: All right. We can continue, Ms. Loftus.
(Audio continued)
MS. MURRAY: Can you pause, Ms. Loftus.
Q. In that portion that Mileson just stated, how, if at all,
is he referring to the people who were sending money to Crane?
A. That they don't give a damn about procedures?
Q. How is he describing them, those people?
A. Investors.
Q. And Mr. Khaled, who ran Hamilton?
A. William Je.
MS. SHROFF: Objection.
THE COURT: Overruled. You may continue.
Q. Who ran Hamilton?
A. William Je.
MS. MURRAY: We can continue, Ms. Loftus.
(Audio continued)
MS. MURRAY: Can you pause, Ms. Loftus, and skip ahead
to 12:06. Halfway through the next page.
(Audio played)
MS. MURRAY: Can you pause there, Ms. Loftus.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2054
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO2 Khaled - Direct
BY MS. MURRAY:
Q. Mr. Khaled, what did you mean by the reference to jail?
A. That I could go to jail.
Q. Why, if at all, were you concerned about going to jail in
connection with the transfers of this money?
A. 'Cause there's risk of money laundering, fraud, etc., and
my name was——I was the only name on Crane, and everything
was——the transfer requests, the wires were going to be through
me.
MS. MURRAY: Ms. Loftus, could we please go to
Government Exhibits 408 and 408-T. And we'll just play this
whole clip. We can start at page 2.
Q. Mr. Khaled, looking at the transcript binder in front of
you, who are the participants of this call, 408?
A. Just give me one second.
That's Mileson, myself.
MS. MURRAY: All right. And we can play this clip,
Ms. Loftus.
(Audio played)
MS. MURRAY: Ms. Loftus, if you can pause it.
Q. Mr. Khaled, just for clarity, when you're referencing 50,
what amount is that?
A. $50 million.
MS. MURRAY: All right. Let's continue.
(Audio continued)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2055
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO2 Khaled - Direct
Q. Mr. Khaled, in the conversations that we've listened to and
looked at so far, what use, if any, is G Club contemplating for
this money?
MS. SHROFF: Objection.
THE COURT: Overruled.
A. Investment.
Q. In the calls that we've listened to, what discussion, if
any, is there of using the G Club money for services to the
members?
A. None.
MS. MURRAY: Ms. Loftus, can we go to Government
Exhibit 409, please, and 409-T.
Q. Mr. Khaled, this call is still dated May 6, 2021. What
time was it?
A. 1:14 p.m.
Q. And who are the participants?
A. Miles Guo, myself, and William Je.
MS. MURRAY: Ms. Loftus, if we could start playing
from the beginning, please.
(Audio played)
MS. MURRAY: Ms. Loftus, you can skip ahead to 4:36,
just slightly further down the transcript page.
(Audio played)
MS. MURRAY: You can pause, Ms. Loftus.
BY MS. MURRAY:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2056
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO2 Khaled - Direct
Q. Mr. Khaled, there was a reference to Gladis. Do you know
who Gladis is?
A. Gladis was the assistant for Miles Guo.
MS. MURRAY: Ms. Loftus, if we could please go to the
6:24 mark.
THE COURT: What page is that?
MS. MURRAY: It's the same page, your Honor. It just
cuts out a little bit of a blank interstitial conversation
about Mr. Khaled's dog.
(Audio played)
BY MS. MURRAY:
Q. Mr. Khaled, do you see references to the Alliance
Committee?
A. Yes.
Q. Do you have an understanding of what that is?
A. No.
MS. MURRAY: All right. Let's continue.
(Audio continued)
MS. MURRAY: We can pause, Ms. Loftus.
Q. Mr. Khaled, the funds that are being discussed here as a
potential investment with David's company, what was your
understanding of the source of those funds when they came into
Crane's account?
A. The source was, these are individuals, members; also
investors.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2057
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO2 Khaled - Direct
Q. Members of what?
MS. SHROFF: Objection. Asked and answered.
A. G Club.
THE COURT: Overruled.
A. Members for G Club.
Q. And investors in what?
A. Investors in the private offering in the BVI as well as the
H Dollar.
MS. MURRAY: All right. Ms. Loftus, can we please go
to Government Exhibits 411 and 411-T.
Q. Mr. Khaled, again, looking at the dates, same day, May 6,
2021. What time was this call?
A. 4:53 p.m.
Q. And who were the participants?
A. Ana Izquierdo, Mileson Guo, Miles Guo, myself, a third
person——another person.
MS. MURRAY: And Ms. Loftus, if we could please start
at 5:30, that should be just the very bottom of page 5, into
page 6 of the transcript.
(Audio played)
MS. MURRAY: Ms. Loftus, if you could pause.
Q. Mr. Khaled, how did Ana Izquierdo characterize the
56 million in that comment? Starts with "It's."
A. "It's only." "It's only."
MS. MURRAY: All right. Ms. Loftus, we can continue.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2058
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO2 Khaled - Direct
(Audio continued)
MS. MURRAY: Ms. Loftus, if you can pause.
Q. Mr. Khaled, in the translated portion of what Guo, Miles
Guo is saying there, do you see the reference to a Swiss bank
account?
A. Yes.
Q. Did Crane hold any bank accounts in Switzerland?
A. No.
Q. Were you aware of any G Club Swiss bank accounts to which
you were asked to transfer money from Crane?
A. No.
MS. MURRAY: All right. We can continue.
(Audio continued)
MS. MURRAY: Can you pause.
Q. So Mr. Khaled, the beginning of that comment you just made,
"So, Crane for G Club has 132," first of all, what does 132
mean?
A. 132 million.
Q. And what did you mean by "Crane for G Club"?
A. Holding for G Club.
Q. So in your comment there, what amount is Crane holding for
G Club of the amount of money that's in the Crane account?
A. Yes, 132 million.
MS. MURRAY: All right. We can continue.
(Audio continued)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2059
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO2 Khaled - Direct
MS. MURRAY: Can you pause.
Q. Mr. Khaled, do you see the reference to "people buy the
card"?
A. Yes.
Q. What does that refer to?
A. Membership card.
Q. Membership card for what?
A. G Club.
MS. MURRAY: All right. Let's continue.
(Audio continued)
MS. MURRAY: Can you pause.
Can we move ahead, please, to the 17:02 mark. That's
at the bottom of page 13 of the transcript.
And we can play from 17:02.
(Audio played)
MS. MURRAY: Sorry, Ms. Loftus. It's page 13 of the
transcript. If we could go back to that 17:02 mark.
(Audio replayed)
MS. MURRAY: Can you pause.
BY MS. MURRAY:
Q. Mr. Khaled, the reference that Miles Guo made to the CCP,
what do you understand him to be saying about why he wanted to
move this money overseas?
A. That the CCP is going to try to block the money in America.
Q. At the time of this call in May of 2021, did you believe
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2060
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO2 Khaled - Direct
that?
A. No.
MS. MURRAY: And Ms. Loftus, let's go to Government
Exhibit 412, please. And 412-T.
Q. Again, Mr. Khaled, same day. What time is this call?
A. 5:25 p.m.
Q. Who are the participants?
A. Miles Guo, Ana Izquierdo, Mileson Guo, Aaron Mitchell,
myself, and Victor Cerda.
Q. And at this time, in May of 2021, what entity did Ana
Izquierdo work for?
A. G Club Puerto Rico.
Q. What entity did Aaron Mitchell work for?
A. Not specified, but in the townhouse, for the family.
Q. Sorry. If you could just——
A. For the family, in the townhouse.
Q. For whose family?
A. Yes.
Q. For whose family?
A. Guo, Guo family.
Q. And at this time what entity did you work for?
A. Saraca, my contract.
Q. And what entity did Victor Cerda work for?
A. No specific one.
MS. MURRAY: All right. Ms. Loftus, if we could
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2061
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO2 Khaled - Direct
please go to the 2:22 mark. That's at the bottom of page 3 of
the transcript.
(Audio played)
MS. MURRAY: Can you pause there, Ms. Loftus.
Q. Mr. Khaled, at this time what did you understand about the
purpose of these refunds that Miles Guo was referring to?
A. That's the money that——can you——can you ask the question
again.
Q. Sure.
MS. MURRAY: Actually, Ms. Loftus, if we could go
back, please, to Government Exhibits 411 and 411-T. This is a
prior call. And if we could start at the 26:21 mark. That's
on page 20 of the transcript.
(Audio played)
MS. MURRAY: If we could scroll up to the portion that
starts with, "So, alright," Miles Guo's comment.
BY MS. MURRAY:
Q. Mr. Khaled, in this portion of the call, what reference is
there, if any, to members requesting refunds?
A. I don't——I don't see where you are.
Q. In this paragraph that's up on your screen, there's a
reference to refunds. Do you see that?
A. Yes. "The fellow fighters that hold the cards' power."
Q. And a few lines above that, it says, "We return all the
cards." Do you see that?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2062
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO2 Khaled - Direct
A. Yes.
Q. With respect to the return of the cards or the refund
that's being discussed here, what reference is there, if any,
to members being the ones who were requesting the refund?
A. There's none.
Q. And what entity, if any, is proposing to buy all of the G
Club cards back after they are refunded?
A. The Alliance Committee.
MS. MURRAY: All right. We can continue, Ms. Loftus.
(Audio continued)
MS. MURRAY: Pause, Ms. Loftus.
Q. Mr. Khaled, in that portion of the conversation regarding
potentially closing G Club——
MS. SHROFF: Objection to the leading, your Honor.
There's no question pending.
MS. MURRAY: No problem, your Honor.
Q. That portion of the conversation, Mr. Khaled, what
discussion, if any, is there of services that are provided to G
Club's members?
A. None.
Q. What discussion, if any, is there of the potential
implication to member benefits of shuttering G Club Puerto
Rico?
A. None.
MS. MURRAY: All right. Ms. Loftus, we can go to 412
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2063
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO2 Khaled - Direct
again, please, and 412-T. We're going to start at the 12:09
mark, which is on the top of page 10 of the transcript.
Actually, first, if you could just zoom in on the top
portion again to remind us who the participants are to this
call.
Thank you. And we can go to page 10 now of the
transcript.
The 12:09 mark. Thank you.
(Audio played)
MS. MURRAY: All right. We can pause, Ms. Loftus.
And if we could go to the 14:49 mark. I guess that's right
where we are. We'll continue here.
(Audio played)
MS. MURRAY: Can you pause there, Ms. Loftus.
BY MS. MURRAY:
Q. Mr. Khaled, why, if at all, were you advising that whomever
was opening a bank account should inform the bank of the
anticipated transfer activity?
A. Because that's what happened with Morgan Stanley. Money
came in, then goes out, and whoever was opening up that
account, the entire conversation at that time was to get the
money to the final destination, which is Hamilton, so they were
just moving it from one——one account to another, and that was
just going to sit there for maybe a week and go out. So I was
kind of telling whoever, Ana——at that time Ana and Aaron were
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2064
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO2 Khaled - Direct
opening up the BVI. I stopped communicating with those banks
or any banks. So I just wanted to put it out there.
Q. And returning to the earlier part of this call that we just
listened to, what understanding, or what did you understand
Mileson to be saying about being a settler of G Club?
A. In control and really the ultimate beneficiary of it.
Q. And in that conversation Mileson had identified the legal
ultimate beneficiary owner of G Club; is that right?
MS. MURRAY: Please scroll up, Ms. Loftus.
A. Yeah, the ultimate beneficiary owner on paper, Mr. He.
MS. MURRAY: If we can just continue, Ms. Loftus.
Your Honor, we have about one minute left in this clip
and then I think it would be a good time to break, if we could.
THE COURT: All right. Go ahead.
MS. MURRAY: Thank you.
(Audio played)
MS. MURRAY: Pause there, Ms. Loftus.
BY MS. MURRAY:
Q. Going back up, Mr. Khaled, how did you and Mileson describe
the intended use or purpose of those accounts that were going
to be opened up?
A. As a pass-through.
MS. MURRAY: All right. We can break now, if it makes
sense, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right, then.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2065
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO2
Members of the jury, it's 11:30, so we will have our
half-of-an-hour break. Remember that you're not allowed to
discuss the case amongst yourselves. Don't allow anyone to
discuss it in your presence. Don't listen to, read, or watch
anything from any source having anything to do with the subject
matter of this trial.
(Jury not present)
THE COURT: Sir, you may step out. Don't discuss your
testimony.
(Witness not present)
THE COURT: Is there anything before we resume at
noon?
MS. MURRAY: Nothing from the government.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, I actually did have one
matter to raise. The witness was asked a question about how
did Mileson and he describe the purposes of the account.
Before the witness answered, highlighted for him, or at least
including for me, was the words, on page 13, the two words
"pass through." I would have——had the government not said,
this is a good time to stop, and if the Court hadn't responded,
I would have objected to the highlighting. And I can't see the
Court anymore, but——so I would object, your Honor. Before a
witness answers, it would be wholly inappropriate to highlight
the response, or even direct the witness as to where it is that
the government wants him or her to focus on. If the government
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2066
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
wants to repose the question, that's fine. If the government
wants to state out loud a page number, that's fine. But to
highlight something and that not be reflected in the record is
my objection. Thank you.
THE COURT: Was that inadvertent?
MS. MURRAY: Yes, your Honor, and it was inadvertent,
and understood. We're happy to pose the question again without
the highlighting. I'm happy to just direct Mr. Khaled to the
portion of the call which has already been introduced into
evidence and ask him to cite that portion and explain what, if
anything, he meant by pass-through.
MS. SHROFF: That would only be like the 10th time we
ask the same question. I would just ask that the government
not do that again.
MS. MURRAY: Your Honor, we respectfully disagree,
but——
THE COURT: I do disagree. I do not remember this
question being asked beforehand.
So we'll return at noon.
ALL COUNSEL: Thank you, your Honor.
(Luncheon recess)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2067
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3
AFTERNOON SESSION
12:00 p.m.
(Jury not present)
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, may I just put one matter on
the record.
THE COURT: Go ahead.
MS. SHROFF: I realize during the break obviously that
Ms. Murray couldn't have highlighted it, so I apologize. I
don't think she did it on purpose, so I just wanted to note
that. I realize that the highlighting couldn't have come from
this side, so sorry about that.
THE COURT: Let's get the jurors.
THE LAW CLERK: Jury entering.
(Continued on next page)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2068
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3
(Jury present)
THE COURT: Please be seated. Remember, sir, that
you're still under oath. You may continue your inquiry.
MS. MURRAY: Thank you, your Honor.
BY MS. MURRAY:
Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could please pull up Government Exhibit
412-T. We'll go where we left off which was page 13.
Mr. Khaled, what is a pass through?
A. That's an entity or an account that money comes in or goes
out right away. No activity other than that.
Q. What are some of the reasons, if any, that an account would
be used as a pass through?
MS. SHROFF: Objection.
THE COURT: You may answer if you know.
A. Just to prevent the two parties from being involved in the
transaction.
Q. Mr. Khaled, you were talking about -- or, actually,
Ms. Loftus, if we could just go, please, to page 12 of this
transcript, and focusing on the portion you see on the screen
here, Mr. Khaled. Can you read what Mileson stated in this
portion of the call?
A. But I'm not actively, um, but I'm UBO, but UBO is Mr. He.
I am just the settler. By Dutch Law, I do have some sort of
saying, but I'm not practicing it.
Q. Mr. Khaled, what did you mean when you said that Mr. He was
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2069
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3
the UBO on paper?
A. That he was just on the legal documents, but not actively
managing or dealing with any of the employees or the products.
Q. Was Mr. He involved in any of these conversations that you
recorded in this time period from April to May of 2021
regarding the G/Clubs funds?
A. No, he was not.
Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could please go to Government Exhibit
413-A and 413A-T.
Mr. Khaled, what is the date of this call?
A. May 12, 2021.
Q. What time?
A. 7:58 a.m.
Q. And who are the participants?
A. Mileson Guo and myself.
Q. Ms. Loftus, if we can please play Government Exhibit 413A.
(Media played)
Q. Can we pause, Ms. Loftus.
Mr. Khaled, what is BVI refer to?
A. British Virgin Islands.
Q. What were you proposing with respect to Crane BVI?
A. That we create like a private equity structure for Crane
and then move the money from Crane to that entity and then move
the money back to the media company when it's created. It
wasn't created at that time, so they're working on creating the
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2070
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3
company, and the money was gonna get transferred there.
Q. And why, if at all, move the money from Crane's U.S.
accounts to BVI accounts held in Crane's name?
A. To satisfy what they were asking for, to move the money
out -- the reason they gave, Miles and Mileson, was the money
needs to go out of the U.S. So by creating a BVI entity, the
money will be outside a U.S. company.
Q. What did you believe was the real reason that Miles Guo and
Mileson wanted to move the money outside of the U.S?
MS. SHROFF: Objection.
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. Mr. Khaled, you testified earlier when we listened to a
call regarding the CCP. Do you recall that?
A. Yes.
Q. At the time of these conversations in May of 2021, did you
have an understanding of why Miles Guo instructed you to move
the money outside of the U.S.?
MS. SHROFF: Objection.
THE COURT: You may answer.
A. Yes, to make the investment in H Dollar at that time.
Q. At that time did you have an understanding of the reason
for the instruction to move the money outside of the U.S.
MS. SHROFF: Same objection.
THE COURT: You may answer.
A. To invest it in H Dollar.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2071
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3
Q. Ms. Loftus, we can continue.
(Media played)
Q. Mr. Khaled, what was the timing of these discussions
regarding the transfer of the money in Crane's accounts?
A. That it need to be urgent, time is of the essence.
Q. And with whom, if anyone, did you discuss the urgency of
these transfers?
A. Everyone, Miles Guo, Mileson, David from Long Island,
Yvette.
Q. Mr. Khaled, there was some discussion in the calls that we
listened to about Mercantile, what is Mercantile?
A. Mercantile was also a bank, an international financial
institution licensed in Puerto Rico acting as a bank, and they
were the bank where Medici had an account.
Q. And what type of account did Medici have at Mercantile?
A. A correspondent bank account.
Q. Ms. Loftus, can we go to the top of Government Exhibit
413A-T, please.
Mr. Khaled, what is the date of this call?
A. May 12, 2021.
Q. Ms. Loftus, we can take that down and put up what's in
evidence as Government Exhibit GC-502. If we could go down the
chain, please, and focus in on the body of this.
Mr. Khaled, what kind of document is this?
A. It's an email.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2072
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3
Q. From whom to whom?
A. Alex Hadjicharalambous at G/Club.
Q. And to whom did he send this email?
A. Elizabeth Berstler at Morgan Stanley.
Q. What's the date of this email?
A. May 11, 2021.
Q. Looking at the body of the email, can you read the amount
that's listed for the wire referenced?
A. 15 million.
Q. And the account name?
A. Deltec Bank and Trust Limited.
Q. Looking at the next line, what is the geographical location
of the address associated with Deltec?
A. Bahamas.
Q. And then going down to reference memo, can you read what
that line reads?
A. 100179601 Hamilton Digital Assets Fund SP.
Q. And two lines below the internal reference?
A. Loan.
Q. And, Ms. Loftus, if we could go up the chain, please. One
more up, please.
Focusing on the top email, Mr. Khaled, what day was
this email sent?
A. May 13, 2021.
Q. From whom to whom?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2073
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3
A. From Alex Hadjicharalambous to Limarie Reyes Ana Izquierdo
and me.
Q. What is the title of the attachment that was attached to
this email?
A. 15 million from Morgan Stanley 051321.
Q. Finally looking at the body of the email, the second
sentence, what does that read?
A. The first 15 million of the 30 has been authorized and will
be sent out today May 13, 2021.
Q. Thanks, Ms. Loftus. We can take that down.
Mr. Khaled, during your testimony yesterday and today,
did we listen to every recording that you made in April and May
of 2021?
A. Yes.
Q. The entirety of each recording that you made we've listened
to in this court today?
MS. SHROFF: Objection.
THE COURT: Overruled. You may continue.
A. No.
MS. SHROFF: Objection.
A. It was --
THE COURT: You may answer.
A. It was parts of each recording.
Q. Approximately how many recordings if you recall did you
make during that time period?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2074
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3
A. I don't have the exact amount.
Q. Did you record every conversation that you had with any of
these individuals in April and May of 2021?
A. No, not every conversation. There was conversations that
were not recorded.
Q. Did you provide every recording that you had in your
possession from these conversations to the government?
A. Yes.
Q. Who, if anyone, chose what recordings to listen to during
your testimony here?
A. The government, you.
Q. Who, if anyone, chose what portion of the different
recordings to listen to during your testimony here?
A. You did.
Q. And who, if anyone, prepared the transcripts of the
conversations that you recorded and provided to the government?
A. You guys did.
Q. Mr. Khaled, I'd like to direct your attention now to July
of 2021. Did there come a time when G/Club instituted
adversary proceedings against Crane?
A. Yes.
Q. What type of proceedings were those?
A. An arbitration.
Q. What was the subject matter of that arbitration?
A. Money that was still with Crane.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2075
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3
Q. What money?
A. The transfers that had came in from November and the
portion that was not already transferred to G/Club.
Q. And what was the approximate volume of those funds that
were at issue in the arbitration?
A. I think the total was about 50 million.
THE COURT: Before you ask the next question, how did
you make the recordings?
THE WITNESS: Through an app on my phone.
THE COURT: Go ahead.
Q. Did you make the recordings at the direction of anyone?
A. No.
Q. Returning to the arbitration in 2021, which party filed
that action?
A. G/Club Operations Puerto Rico.
Q. Against what entity or entities?
A. Crane Advisory Group, LLC.
Q. What was the outcome of that arbitration?
A. There was immediate injunction and transfer of the monies
to the attorney of G/Club.
Q. Can you explain what you mean by immediate injunction?
A. So the money was blocked.
Q. And the injunction was issued against whom or what entity?
A. Crane Advisory Group.
Q. After that injunction was issued, what, if anything, did
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2076
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3
you do with the money that was in Crane's account?
A. Transferred out.
Q. Where did you transfer it?
A. I transferred it to the law firm of Aaron Mitchell.
Q. Why did you transfer it to that particular law firm?
A. Cause G/Club had no other accounts open.
Q. Who, if anyone, provided you with the account information
for the Aaron Mitchell account to receive those funds?
A. It was done through the attorneys.
Q. Was Crane party to any other adversary proceedings with
G/Clubs?
A. Yes.
Q. What type of proceeding?
A. It was similar second arbitration to take back fees and --
the fees of what Crane had received.
Q. For that second arbitration, who were the parties to that
arbitration?
A. G/Club Operation, LLC and Crane Advisory Group.
Q. Who filed that arbitration?
A. G/Club.
Q. During the course of that second arbitration, what court
proceedings or legal proceedings, if any, were there?
A. It was dismissed.
Q. Prior to dismissal, were there any official proceedings
relating to the arbitration panel?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2077
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3
A. Yes, there was a full hearing.
Q. Who, if anyone, testified at that hearing on behalf of
G/Club?
A. Ana and Limarie and a forensic accountant.
Q. Did you participate in that hearing?
A. I did.
Q. Did you hear the testimony that Ana Izquierdo gave to the
panel?
A. Yes.
Q. And did you hear the testimony that Limarie gave to the
panel?
A. Yes.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, may we approach, please?
THE COURT: All right.
(Continued on next page)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2078
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3
(At the sidebar)
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, I just wanted to flag for the
Court the question about participated by Mr. Khaled. I'm
assuming the government knows he asserted his Fifth, so I'm not
sure what it is that they -- what the participated means. But
to the extent the government is going to ask him his opinion
either Ana or Limarie lied during the arbitration, I would ask
the Court to not allow those questions. They're improper as to
whether or not he believes they told the truth.
THE COURT: I wanted to understand what happened at
the second arbitration.
MS. SHROFF: The second arbitration is for the return
of the fees. There was a full blown hearing, and three
individuals testified. The lawyer testified. Ana Izquierdo,
she testified. Mr. Khaled's 3500 material demonstrates that
he's been asked to give his opinion, she lied, and he
repeatedly gives the suggestion that she lied. Limarie Reyes
also testified, and I think they're trying to elicit in his
opinion she lied in the arbitration.
THE COURT: What is it that they lied about?
MR. KAMARAJU: I guess they'll say I believe it's
about Ms. Wang's role at G/Club, at least that's my
understanding from Ms. Molinaris' 3500.
THE COURT: What is it that they said about Ms. Wang?
MR. KAMARAJU: Ms. Molinaris testified that in essence
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2079
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3
Ms. Wang had a connection to G/Club, and admitted that there
was some control owner. I'm sure the government will spell it
out. So in the 3500 material for Ms. Molinaris, it seems clear
that they've suggested that that was a misrepresentation of
Ms. Wang's role. I think the issue for this witness I think
under Rule 608(b), I don't think you're allowed to inquire of a
witness of a specific instance of untruthfulness in order to
impeach another witness's credibility through extrinsic
evidence, which would be what this is.
THE COURT: Yes. Go ahead.
MS. MURRAY: Few things, your Honor. With respect to
Mr. Khaled's impression of false testimony that Ana Izquierdo
Limarie Reyes gave during arbitration, it's broader than simply
Ms. Wang's role. His view is at that point, well-after the
G/Club's money transfers and after at least Ana Izquierdo had
left G/Clubs, he did not believe they were truthful when they
testified about the services that G/Club offered, about the
member benefits that they testified that it provided to its
members.
His impression from his conversations with them,
including at the time period these calls we've listened to, is
they well-knew that there were no such benefits and services.
And, in addition, he would testify that he believed that both
of them lied about the fact that they told the arbitration
panel that Crane was an entirely independent company; that it
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2080
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3
had no connection to G/Clubs. And they were trying to
represent it as an arm's length consultant, even though again
they well knew that it was intricately intertwined with the
G/Club companies.
THE COURT: How is it that you get him to impeach
those witnesses at the arbitration?
MS. MURRAY: It's not impeachment of those particular
individuals. It's simply introducing statements that were made
in the context of the Rico enterprise by agents of Guo, who
were operating in different entities within the enterprise.
THE COURT: Go ahead.
MR. KAMARAJU: One, I think his belief as to the truth
or falsity of another person's statement, particularly a person
statement who is not Mr. Guo is irrelevant. I think that's
consistent with rulings your Honor has made before. But
second, this is exactly what Rule 608 is talking about. It's
inquiring about specific instances of other dishonest acts that
are outside of a criminal conviction, so I don't see how that
is outside of 608(b).
THE COURT: Their theory is that Ms. Izquierdo and the
other person, they're both agents of Guo.
MR. KAMARAJU: Right, which I still think they have to
establish that. I think they have not. We've heard no
testimony from Ms. Molinaris or about Ms. Molinaris' role other
than she is the CEO generally of G/Club. They haven't tied
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2081
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3
those two things together. But either way, the agency
proposition overcomes a hearsay issue. It doesn't overcome
608(b) issue. Frankly again, they're going to call
Ms. Molinaris. Ms. Molinaris can testify about whatever
misrepresentation they think she made. I don't know why this
witness's belief as to the truth or falsity of those statements
is relevant to any question.
MS. SHROFF: It only goes to bolster in a roundabout
way Ms. Reyes' testimony. Ms. Reyes is going to testify. They
tried to flip Ms. Izquierdo, and she didn't flip, so she's out.
MS. MURRAY: We reject that characterization. The
arbitration in question, the second arbitration related to the
release of fraud proceeds. Fraud proceeds that Crane was
holding, and in furtherance of getting those fraud proceeds
released to G/Clubs in an effort to get them back within the
Rico enterprise. Once Mr. Khaled was now separated from the
Rico enterprise, these two individuals lied to the arbitration
panel.
THE COURT: Do you have authority for me?
MS. MURRAY: Regarding the specific testimony?
THE COURT: The admissibility of this testimony.
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, I think it's just a piece of
any other co-conspirator statement. It's very consistent with
that. His view is based on his personal observations at the
time. He's not impeaching their credibility vis a ve their
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2082
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3
specific testimony. I think that's really what 608(b) really
turns to. I could be wrong about that. I'm not certain.
THE COURT: Why wouldn't it be impeachment?
MR. FINKEL: It's the same sense of how Ya Li
testified that the affidavit she received from Yongbing Zhang,
Guo's criminal attorney, emphasis on criminal, was false
because she had experiences that countered what the affidavit
represented. Same thing with Mr. Khaled. He's had experiences
that countered what was being represented. I think it's
important for the jury to understand, particularly in light of
where the cross is going to go, as to why the arbitration
decisions came out in the way they did, which is that G/Clubs
misrepresented facts in furtherance of the Rico enterprise.
And G/Clubs is firmly part of the Rico enterprise.
I think, your Honor, Mr. Khaled can certainly -- I
don't think there'd be objection to this -- bring out the
statements that he observed Limarie and Ms. Izquierdo made in
further of G/Clubs trying to obtain money. Those are clearly
agent statements. So the question then becomes whether he can,
his view or his understanding whether those statements were
true or false. And any co-conspirator could do that because
he's experienced in the conspiracy and that's standard 701
standard.
MR. KAMARAJU: I'm sorry, no.
MR. FINKEL: It is, and it's consistent with how this
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2083
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3
trial is proceeding.
THE COURT: I don't know what the answer is, and I'm
going to ask my clerks to look at this. We need to jump to
another subject matter.
MR. FINKEL: I just want to make sure everything is
clarified. I assume the government can inquire about -- I
don't want to run afoul about what the Court just said -- what
he observed about Ms. Izquierdo and Ms. Reyes' statements.
THE COURT: I want to skip over this whole subject
matter for now.
MS. MURRAY: This is the tail-end of this witness'
direct examination. I guess I would ask if we look into this
issue and it does come up that we can inquire into it, we will
be permitted to do that on redirect.
THE COURT: Of course, definitely. Absolutely. Even
if I don't come up with an answer, you can recall him. All
right.
(Continued on next page)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2084
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3
(In open court)
THE COURT: You may continue.
BY MS. MURRAY:
Q. Mr. Khaled, focusing on the second arbitration, you mention
that there was a hearing, did you testify at that hearing?
A. Yes, I did.
Q. Were you asked questions at that hearing?
A. Yes.
Q. How, if at all, did you respond to those questions?
A. I pleaded the Fifth.
Q. I apologize. I didn't hear that?
A. I pleaded the Fifth.
Q. And yes or no answer, did Ana Izquierdo testify at that
hearing?
A. Yes.
Q. Limarie Reyes, did she testify at that hearing?
A. Yes.
Q. What, if anything, was the outcome of that second
arbitration with respect to the fees that were in question?
A. Dismissed.
Q. What, if anything, happened to the money that was the
subject of that second arbitration?
A. Can you elaborate?
Q. After the second arbitration, what happened to the money?
A. I think it stayed in the assets that I bought, but then
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2085
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
forfeited through the non-prosecution agreement.
Q. And that's the 2.7 million we discussed earlier?
A. Yes.
Q. Focusing on the first arbitration, what was the approximate
total amount of money that Crane was directed to transfer to
Aaron Mitchell's bank account?
A. I believe about 50 million.
Q. And do you know what happened with that money after it was
transferred from Crane to Aaron Mitchell's law firm account?
A. No, I don't.
MS. MURRAY: May I have a moment, your Honor. No
further questions.
THE COURT: Cross examination.
CROSS-EXAMINATION
BY MS. SHROFF:
Q. Mr. Khaled, you started at Citibank on October 14 of 2014;
is that correct?
A. I don't remember the exact date, but it was October of
2014, yeah.
Q. So I have trouble hearing, so I would really much
appreciate --
A. I don't know the exact date, but it was October of 2014.
Q. And you testified on direct that you worked for Citibank
for about four years, correct?
A. Yes.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2086
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
Q. And you stopped working there on October 30 of 2020,
correct?
A. Yes.
Q. You got a job offer from Golden Spring on July 6 of 2020,
correct?
A. No, it was from Saraca.
Q. You got a job offer from Saraca; is that your testimony?
A. Yes.
Q. And that was also on July 6, 2020, correct?
A. I believe so.
Q. Do you want something to help refresh your recollection?
A. Sure.
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor. He didn't
indicate that he doesn't have a recollection.
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. You remember what date it was?
A. I don't remember the exact date.
Q. You don't remember the exact date.
THE COURT: He said he did not remember the date, so,
yes, you can attempt to refresh his recollection.
MS. SHROFF: Thank you, your Honor.
Q. So if I could have it made larger, please.
So on the top right corner does that help refresh your
recollection?
A. Yes.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2087
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
Q. And you got the job offer on July 6 of 2020, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And the start date, according to -- you know what, do you
recall your start date on the job?
A. It says here to be determined.
Q. Right. My question is, do you remember your own start
date?
A. August 1st.
Q. And you give notice to Citibank that you were leaving on
October 19 of 2020; is that correct?
A. October, I don't remember the exact date.
Q. How about your last day at Citibank, what was your last day
at Citibank? Do you remember that?
A. No, I don't remember the exact date, just October. I don't
know.
Q. Do you remember if it was October 30 of 2020?
A. No, beginning of October, maybe October 1st.
Q. Sitting here today your testimony is you don't remember if
it was October 1st or October 30?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor. Asked and
answered.
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. When you started your job at Citibank, you went through an
on-boarding process, correct?
A. Yes.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2088
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
Q. And part of the on-boarding process involved you getting
trained by Citibank, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. They gave you internal training on issues that would come
up while you were an employee of Citibank?
A. Yes.
Q. They trained you on how to open bank accounts for Citibank,
correct?
A. Yes.
Q. They gave you a training manual, correct?
A. Yeah.
Q. They gave you a set of rules and they asked you to read
them, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. They asked you to read the rules, and then asked you to
acknowledge that you had read the rules, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. They asked you to acknowledge by signing a document that
you had both read and knew the rules, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And you did that, did you not, sir?
A. I did.
Q. You were given a code of conduct to read by Citibank,
correct?
A. Yes.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2089
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
Q. And you read that code of conduct, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. You were asked to affirm that code of conduct, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. And you agreed to abide by Citibank's code of conduct,
correct?
A. Correct.
Q. You agreed and you affirmed to follow all of the rules that
Citibank imposed upon its employees, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. Citibank also had an employee manual that they gave you a
copy of, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And that employee manual clearly stated that you were not
to accept outside employment while an employee of Citibank; is
that correct?
A. I don't remember the exact terminology.
Q. Was the gist basically what I said that you could not work
for somebody else while you were collecting a paycheck as an
employee of Citibank?
A. Needed proper prior approval.
Q. I didn't ask you that question.
My question was, were you aware that Citibank would
not permit you to work for another person while you were
employed by Citibank?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2090
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
A. Yes.
Q. You knew that if you worked for another entity while
employed by Citibank, you could create conflict of interest
situations, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. You could jeopardize the bank, correct?
A. Can you explain.
Q. You could jeopardize the insurance policy of a bank if you
did business with somebody who was a customer of theirs,
correct?
A. I don't know that.
Q. You could jeopardize the welfare of the other entity that
you were working for secretly while working for Citibank,
correct?
A. I don't know that either.
Q. Citibank has a compliance department, correct?
A. They do.
Q. And this would raise compliance issues for them, correct?
A. It could.
Q. And you knew all of that when you continued working for
Citibank after having accepted a job at Saraca and after you
started a job at Saraca, correct?
A. I knew that I couldn't get that job, no.
Q. And you did it anyway, correct?
A. Yes.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2091
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
Q. Now, let me show you what is marked as Defense Exhibit
60524. Do you recognize this document, sir, and feel free if
you would like us to help you scroll through.
MS. MURRAY: Your Honor, I would just note it is not
before the jury. There is personal identifiable information
that is not redacted on this document. So we would just ask
that before it's published to the jury or the gallery it be
redacted.
MS. SHROFF: I do not intend to publish anything that
has any personal information on it.
THE COURT: Good.
Q. Do you recognize that document, sir?
A. Yes.
Q. Could you tell us what it is?
A. City employment application.
Q. And whose City employment application is it?
A. Mine.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, most respectfully I ask that
DX-60524 be admitted into evidence at this time.
MS. MURRAY: Your Honor, the objection relative to the
issue that I just stated stands.
THE COURT: She just said she does not seek to publish
it at this time.
MS. SHROFF: I do not seek to publish any page that
would disclose any such information. If I could just go to
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2092
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
page 12 of the exhibit.
MS. MURRAY: Briefly, your Honor. We understand it
would be admitted. We would just ask the admitted version
that's in evidence have the redactions apply, so that the
version that is in evidence is redacted.
MS. SHROFF: Sure. No problem. May I go to page 12
of the document, and if I could have it made more convenient
for reading by the witness.
Your Honor, I'm assuming the Court has granted my
application to admit it into evidence.
THE COURT: It is admitted.
(Defendant's Exhibit DX-60524 received in evidence)
BY MS. SHROFF:
Q. If you could read under the section A. Do you see the
title is regulatory information, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And you answered each one of these questions, correct, A
through all the way down to G, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. Now, if you can take a look at question number one. And
you see the question has any domestic or foreign court. You
see that question?
A. Yes.
Q. And you have subheadings under that, correct?
A. I have what?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2093
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
Q. There are sub-questions under that question, right?
A. Yes.
Q. If you look at F, you see F?
A. Yes.
Q. And that question is, Have you been or have you ever -- has
anyone ever enjoined you or entered an order or taken any other
action against you in connection with any financial services
related activity, correct?
A. Yep.
Q. And you answered no, right?
A. Yes.
Q. Is it fair to say, sir, that at that time or before you had
owned a company called Auto Box?
A. Yes.
Q. And you had in fact defaulted on a business loan with Auto
Box, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. Auto Box had sued you, correct?
A. No.
Q. I'm sorry. The customer had sued you, correct?
A. No.
Q. The customer hadn't sued you on November 21 of 2013?
A. The customer?
Q. Yes.
A. I don't recall.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2094
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
Q. How about the lender, had the lender sued you?
A. Yes.
Q. And a court in California entered judgment against you,
correct?
A. Correct.
Q. The judgment was entered on April 22nd of 2014, correct?
A. Don't know the exact date.
Q. And you did not indicate that on this application form to
Citibank, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. Now let's go to paragraph 10 if we could, please. You see
that paragraph?
A. Yep.
Q. And that is the acknowledgment section; is that correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And in the acknowledgment section there are certain
numbers. You see that paragraph where it says employment and
code of conduct?
A. Can you zoom to it.
Q. Sure. We can try and highlight that for you. Right above
I understand, right?
A. Mm hm.
Q. And Citibank is telling you all of the things that it will
do, correct?
A. Yes.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2095
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
Q. And then it ask you to represent certain things to
Citibank, correct?
A. Yep.
Q. The first thing that you're representing to Citibank under
oath because you have to acknowledge it -- I don't know what
the acknowledgment was -- that you were legally free to enter
into an employment relationship with City, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. What does that mean to you, sir?
A. Don't know the legal term of it.
Q. I cannot hear you.
A. I don't know the legal term of it, legally free.
Q. You tell me. You acknowledged it.
So what did you understand it tell you to do or be?
A. That I can become an employee of Citibank.
Q. That you could what?
A. I am free to become an employee of Citibank.
Q. But you're representing that, right? It says I represent
that.
A. Okay.
Q. So you're telling City that you are free to be their
employee, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. And what does number two tell you? That you have no
obligation to any other person or entity that would affect or
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2096
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
conflict with your employment with City, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And then if I could just skip down to I further represent.
Could you read that for the jurors, please?
A. I further represent that if I am hired I will disclose to
City any current or future outside business interests for the
purpose of determining compliance with regulatory standards and
City policy.
Q. Keep going.
A. And I understand that certain affiliations or activities
may be impermissible under such standards and/or policy. You
want me to continue?
Q. No. That's fine. You did not live up to those two
obligations, correct?
A. No.
Q. You can take that down.
There came a time, sir, that you resigned from
Citibank, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And when you resigned from Citibank, Citibank terminated
your employment pending investigation, correct?
A. I don't know that.
Q. You testified on direct testimony that -- I take that back.
Let me move to another topic now.
I'm going to talk to you about Ms. Wang. You
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2097
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
testified about her at great length during the direct, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And you testified that you were introduced to Ms. Wang
through a law firm; is that right?
A. Correct.
Q. Which law firm?
A. Rutkin Ross, LLC.
Q. Who at that law firm introduced you to Ms. Wang?
A. Valerie Stevens, Hutchinson & Ross. That's what it was.
Q. And it is true that introduction you spoke to Ms. Wang
about opening bank accounts for Golden Spring. Was that your
testimony, sir?
A. Yes.
Q. And when you asked Ms. Wang about Golden Spring, she told
you that it was a family fund, correct?
A. Family office.
Q. She told you Golden Spring was a family office?
A. Yes.
Q. And she told you what that office consisted of, correct?
A. Can you elaborate.
Q. She told you what Golden Spring was, right?
A. Yes.
Q. She described what the company was all about, right?
A. She described it, yeah.
Q. There was a conversation, a back and forth between you and
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2098
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
her, right?
A. Correct.
Q. And you're a Citibank employee at that point, right?
A. Yes.
Q. And you wanted to build a rapport with her, right?
A. Not build a rapport.
Q. You don't want to build a rapport with a potential
customer?
A. I asked her information about what the business does. It's
part of the account opening.
Q. It was a friendly conversation, right? You want to build a
rapport with your customer, right?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor, asked and
answered.
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. You wanted to cultivate a business relationship, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. And Ms. Wang answered your questions, correct?
A. She did.
Q. At no point did she tell you a question was not to be
answered, right?
A. No, I don't think so, no.
Q. And after you had the initial conversation, you continued
conversating with Ms. Wang, correct?
A. Can you be more specific.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2099
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
Q. Sure. You had follow-up questions to pose to her, correct?
A. Can you be more specific.
Q. No.
THE COURT: Were there ongoing discussions with her?
THE WITNESS: Regarding the account, yes.
Q. And she gave you her phone number, correct?
A. She did.
Q. She gave you both her landline and her cell phone number,
correct?
A. I don't believe there was a landline.
Q. Did she give you an email address?
A. Yes.
Q. She had a Proton email address. Do you remember that?
A. Yes.
Q. And Citibank had no rule against people having a Proton
email address, correct?
A. Don't believe so, no.
Q. You iPhone messaged with Ms. Wang, correct?
A. I could have.
Q. You texted her questions? She texted the responses back,
correct?
A. Probably, yeah.
Q. You asked for paperwork from Ms. Wang, right?
A. Yes.
Q. You needed information to open the account, correct?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2100
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
A. Correct.
Q. She sent you documents. You made a copy of the documents
and you sent it to the back office, correct?
MS. MURRAY: Objection to compound.
MS. SHROFF: I'm happy to break it up, your Honor.
Q. You asked for document from Ms. Wang, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. And you asked for information from Ms. Wang, correct?
A. Yes, I did.
Q. One piece of information you asked for was an EIN number,
correct?
A. Part of the account opening is an EIN number. I don't know
if I asked her directly or she provided me documents that had
it.
Q. Could you tell the jury what an EIN number is?
A. Employee identification number.
Q. Did you ask her for articles of incorporation for Golden
Spring?
A. Yes.
Q. And she provided them to you, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. You asked her for an operating agreement, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. And she provided that document to you, correct?
A. Yes.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2101
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
Q. You asked her for identification, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. And she provided identification to you, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. Citibank has an accounting department, correct?
A. A what?
Q. Accounting department.
A. I'm sure, yeah.
Q. And a compliance department, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. You sent all of this information to the relevant
departments, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. Waited for verification from those departments to be sent
back to you, correct?
A. Can you be more specific.
Q. You had to wait until those departments approved the
application, correct?
A. I'm not sure if it was the policy like that where you
needed an approval.
Q. Well, you approved the application after receiving all of
the information, correct?
A. There wasn't an approval process that way.
Q. Well, how did the bank account open unless it was approved?
A. We open it and then the documents get tested by compliance
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2102
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
and they give us approval.
Q. And you got full approval, right?
A. Yeah.
Q. After you got full approval, the account was completely
opened, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. And Ms. Wang had told you that there was going to be an
initial deposit, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And, in fact, she told you the deposit was going to be one
million, but it turned out to be about $600,000, correct?
A. I don't know the exact amount.
Q. Was it not one of the documents that you reviewed with
Ms. Murray when you met with her 19 times?
A. Don't recall, no.
Q. When you opened accounts for Ms. Wang or for Golden Spring,
you made sure to comport with Citibank's policy, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And you opened more than one account for her, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. And that was in no way an obligation of Citibank's policy,
right?
A. That's what?
Q. That was not contrary to Citibank's policies, correct?
A. No.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2103
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
Q. In fact, Citibank encouraged you to open multiple accounts
for business entities, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. Golden Spring had at least two signers on each account; is
that correct?
A. I don't remember the exact number of signers.
Q. Do you remember Ms. Wang was a signer?
A. Yes.
Q. Do you remember Melissa Menendez being a signer?
A. Yes.
Q. Do you, sitting here today, do you know what Ms. Menendez's
job was at Golden Spring?
A. She was an accountant, an office manager as well.
Q. And sitting here today, do you know she still works at
Golden Spring?
A. No.
Q. As a banker at Citibank, you had a view and transparency
into the accounts, correct?
A. I had what they gave me in terms of information.
Q. You could look at what transactions were going on in a bank
account, correct?
A. Okay, yeah, correct.
Q. And that's because you worked at Citibank, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And you saw that the Golden Spring account received money
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2104
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
from Golden Spring Hong Kong, correct?
A. Might have been.
MS. MURRAY: Objection, hearsay.
THE COURT: If you have direct knowledge, you may
answer the question.
A. I don't remember all the transactions that came in.
MS. SHROFF: Well, let me show you DX-10339, and it's
just for the witness, please. This is pursuant to the Citibank
stipulation. Your Honor, at this point pursuant to the
stipulation I ask that DX-10339 be admitted into evidence.
THE COURT: No objection?
MS. MURRAY: No objection, your Honor. Thank you. We
were just confirming.
THE COURT: It is admitted.
(Defendant's Exhibit DX-10339 received in evidence)
MS. SHROFF: If I may publish it to the jury.
THE COURT: You may.
Q. Tell us, Mr. Khaled, what is this document?
A. That's a bank statement.
Q. For which bank?
A. Citibank.
Q. For whose account?
A. Golden Spring New York LTD.
Q. For what time period?
A. March 30 to April 25.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2105
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
Q. Let's go to page three of the PDF, please.
Could you take a look at those three transactions for
me?
A. Yes.
Q. Is that money coming into the account?
A. Yes.
Q. Who's it coming in from?
A. ACA Capital Group Limited.
Q. What's the date?
A. May 2.
Q. And what's the amount for each deposit?
A. 100,000.
Q. So all totaled, and this is easy math, so it's 300,000?
A. Correct.
Q. Let's look at page 51 of the PDF. It's Bates ending 58122,
if you could look at the February 12, 2019 wire.
Could you tell us what transaction that is, sir?
A. That's a debit transaction.
Q. What is a debit transaction?
A. Money going out.
Q. Money going out from which account?
A. Golden Spring.
Q. And where is the money going to?
A. Rule of Law Foundation.
Q. And what is the Rule of Law Foundation, sir?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2106
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
A. You're asking me at this time?
Q. No, sir. I'm asking you.
A. At that time?
Q. At that time.
A. At that time, I did not know.
Q. I'm sorry.
A. At that time, I did not know.
Q. You did not know?
A. On February 12 of 2019, I did not.
Q. And after that as the person who got to know more, did you
come to have an understanding of what the Rule of Law
Foundation, Mr. Khaled?
A. This is a different bank statement.
Q. I'm not asking you about the bank statement, sir. I'm just
asking you about the Rule of Law Foundation.
A. Okay. What's your question?
Q. My question, sir, is what is your understanding of the Rule
of Law Foundation?
A. It's a non-for-profit foundation.
Q. Thank you. If I could go to page 52. And if I could focus
you on, February 15th, if I may. What is that transaction if
you could explain it to the jury?
A. That's an ACH debit.
Q. And what is an ACH debit?
A. It's an ACH, money going out.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2107
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
Q. And what does it say underneath that?
A. ADP wage pay.
Q. And what would that tell you as a banker?
A. Payroll.
Q. It would tell you that this bank account is making payroll;
is that correct?
A. Correct.
Q. Do you see a deposit there of $500,000 from something noted
as IMMA?
A. Yes.
Q. And what is IMMA, sir?
A. A money market account.
Q. And the money market account is putting into Golden Spring
$500,000; is that correct. Am I reading that right?
A. Can you repeat the question.
Q. Sure. I'll make it easy for you. You tell me what is this
showing?
A. It says transfer, credit transfer from IMMA.
Q. So it's money coming in?
A. Correct.
Q. $500,000?
A. Yes.
Q. Now, let's look at page 122, a January 31 transaction,
$24,236.41. Somebody's getting paid?
A. Yes.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2108
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
Q. ADP wage pay, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. Page 123, there's a $10,000 payment, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. Payments being made to a law firm, correct?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor.
Q. What is that payment going to?
MS. MURRAY: Objection based on the Court's prior
ruling.
THE COURT: If you'll step up, please.
(Continued on next page)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2109
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
(At the sidebar)
THE COURT: So in my ruling I said you could not call
attention to attorneys.
MS. SHROFF: This is 2018. There's no advice of
counsel defense here. I'll move on, but that is not how I read
it. I'm simply trying to show the money coming in and going
out. I'm happy to move on, but there's no reliance on this law
firm for anything.
MS. MURRAY: Your Honor, a few points. One, I would
note the face of this document doesn't indicate Wachtel Missry
as a law firm. Ms. Shroff testified to that and put that in
front of the jury. Second, your Honor is correct. We believe
this is squarely within the prior ruling which we clarified a
day or two ago where we had a similar issue come up where
defense called out a presence of a law firm before we could
submit proper argument. I would also submit that 2018 is
within the charged conspiracy.
MS. SHROFF: Right. But there is no advice of counsel
issue in 2018, number one. Number two, questions by a lawyer,
this is basic criminal law. Questions by a lawyer are not
evidence. The only evidence is the response. And the response
was, he didn't know. So my question doesn't do anything
because it's not evidence.
THE COURT: You're calling attention to the
relationship with an attorney.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2110
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
MS. SHROFF: No, I'm showing that bills were paid out
of the account including to an attorney. That is not calling
attention to it. It's just a bill being paid.
THE COURT: That's exactly what you're doing. Did you
want to say something, Mr. Kamaraju?
MR. KAMARAJU: I believe there's going to be another
witness named Daniel Podhaskie who is going to testify at some
point. My understanding from his 3500 material and his prior
SEC testimony is that he testified that a lot of the bills
going out of Golden Springs were to pay for litigation,
litigation that led to protest the government's highlighting.
I'm just trying to understand how those two things interact if
we're not allowed to, when they put Mr. Podhaskie on the stand
with bank records to say, you were paying in connection with
all this litigation, but --
THE COURT: Well, it's one thing if he's on the stand,
but you're picking out bills paid from an account specifically
calling attention to certain bills, one of which is this law
firm.
MR. KAMARAJU: I understand your Honor's ruling here.
I'm just trying to make sure looking down the road I don't want
to come back and have this issue again.
THE COURT: I'm glad. Okay. We're done.
(Continued on next page)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2111
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
(In open court)
THE COURT: You may continue.
BY MS. SHROFF:
Q. And this was an account maintained at Citibank, correct?
A. Can you repeat that question.
Q. The document that I showed you was for an account
maintained at Citibank, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. Now, by 2020, Golden Springs' account had been opened,
correct, by January of 2020?
A. Yes.
Q. And you had moved out of opening bank accounts, correct?
You had moved to another department within Citibank; is that
fair to say?
A. Correct.
Q. You had moved onto healthcare; is that right?
A. Yes.
Q. And that was also sort of the beginning of the pandemic,
correct?
A. I believe so, yeah.
Q. Did Citibank have a policy of remote working during the
pandemic?
A. Yes.
Q. And what was the policy?
A. Work from home.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2112
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
Q. And you were asked these questions on your direct, but you
heard again from Ms. Wang in January of 2020, correct?
A. No, it wasn't January.
Q. Okay. In what month of 2020?
A. I believe it was May.
Q. In May of 2020. How did she reach out to you by the way?
A. Whatsapp or text message. I'm not sure.
Q. You're not sure?
A. Text message.
Q. And she texted you and asked you what?
A. She needed my help to open a bank account.
Q. She wanted to open a bank account, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And did you reply to her text and answer her question?
A. I'm sure I replied, yeah.
Q. Do you recall letting her know that you had moved on from
opening bank accounts to healthcare?
A. Yes.
Q. You were not going to be able to open an account for her,
right?
A. Me personally, no.
Q. Right. So did you just continue talking to her about what
kind of account she wanted to open any way?
A. I might have, yeah.
Q. Excuse me.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2113
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
A. I might have, yeah, continue.
Q. You didn't right off the bat tell her, I'm in healthcare,
right?
You continued to talk to her about what kind of
account she wanted to open?
A. Yeah.
Q. Right. You asked her what account is it, what is the
account for, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. You asked her the name of the company, correct?
A. I might have, yeah.
Q. Excuse me.
A. I might have, yes.
Q. She told you the name of the company, correct?
A. Yeah.
Q. She told you it was a media company, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. And she told you the name of the company, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. She told you it was GTV, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And all of this time you knew that you couldn't open an
account for her, but you kept talking to her, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. You looked up the media company, correct?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2114
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
A. Yes.
Q. You went on that website to check it out, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. You knew you couldn't open an account, but still you went
to investigate the company, correct?
A. Yeah.
Q. Okay. And you knew that the account, that the company had
a bigger account with another bank, correct?
A. She told me, yeah.
Q. And you continued talking to her about that account even
though you were not going to be -- you were not in that
department anymore, right?
A. I had made the referral already.
Q. You already made the referral, but you continued talking to
her?
A. Yeah.
Q. So you made the referral to somebody else at Citibank,
correct?
A. Correct.
Q. So some other person at Citibank is working on this account
with Ms. Wang, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. He's trying to establish his own rapport with her, correct?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor.
THE COURT: How could he know what the other person
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2115
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
was trying to do.
Q. Isn't that what you're trained to do as a Citibank
employee, develop a rapport with your customer?
A. Yeah, but I don't know what he did.
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor.
THE COURT: As to relevance. Please move on.
Q. You knew from talking to Ms. Wang that it was a large
account, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. You asked her how large an account was it, correct?
A. No, she told me.
Q. She told you how large the account was going to be with the
understanding that you were still going to open the account,
right?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor.
THE COURT: He could not possibly know what she had on
her mind.
Q. You were talking to Ms. Wang throughout this time, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And you were in healthcare?
A. Yeah.
Q. To open this account, did you have her send the documents
to you or to the other person at Citibank?
A. The other person.
Q. Your testimony is that Ms. Wang sent the documents to the
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2116
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
other person at Citibank, correct?
A. Could have been copied, but definitely the other person was
working with her.
Q. You were copied, right, Mr. Khaled?
A. I might have. I don't remember.
Q. Do you remember the name of the other person?
A. James Song.
Q. Right. And Mr. Song and you were on the same email chain
getting documents from Ms. Wang, correct?
THE COURT: You can answer.
A. I don't remember.
Q. I'll come back to that. The account was opened on June 3rd
of 2020, correct?
A. I don't remember the exact date, but in June.
Q. You kept in touch with Mr. Song and asked him how the
account was going, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. You asked Mr. Song how much the balance was in that
account, correct?
A. Yeah.
Q. And Mr. Song is the one who told you that there was $200
million in that account, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And you wanted to know that because you wanted to get
credit for that account, correct?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2117
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
A. Yep.
Q. There's something called a 30-day-balance for a referred
account, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. And there is something called a score card at Citibank,
correct?
A. Correct.
Q. Each employee has a score card?
A. I don't know that for certain.
Q. You had a score card, correct?
A. I did.
Q. And this account you wanted to make sure showed up on your
score card, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. You wanted it to show up because it was a large account,
correct?
A. Correct.
Q. You wanted to make sure you kept your relationship with
Ms. Wang, correct?
A. Yeah.
Q. And then you took that account and you referred that
account to an outside financial advisor, correct?
A. Can you specify.
Q. Sure. Who is Eric Mark?
A. Eric Mark is a financial advisor at the same branch I
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2118
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
worked at.
Q. And what did you do with Mr. Mark and Ms. Wang, the Golden
Spring account, I mean the GTV account?
A. I asked him to connect with James for a large account
opportunity.
Q. You asked him to connect with James as oppose to Ms. Wang;
is that your testimony?
A. Yes.
Q. And once you connected them, you learned from him, did you
not, that there was some kind of investigation, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And you knew of that investigation from someone at Citibank
that you trusted, correct?
A. From Eric Mark, yeah.
Q. You trusted Mr. Mark, right?
A. In terms of what?
Q. He's your colleague, right?
A. Yeah.
Q. You trusted the information he was giving you, correct?
A. What do you mean?
Q. He gave you a piece of information that these companies
could be under investigation, and you trusted that information,
right?
A. He gave me the information.
Q. Right. Excuse me.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2119
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
A. He gave me the information, but what do you mean trust?
Q. You thought the information was correct, right?
A. I just got the information.
Q. So somebody's telling you that the person you are engaging
with is under investigation, those companies, and you just kept
that information as a banker and did nothing more?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor, misstates
testimony.
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. What did you do with that?
A. Just reviewed it, saw the article.
Q. You reviewed it and saw the article?
A. Yeah.
Q. And then you continued dealing with Ms. Wang?
A. Yeah, it was an investigation.
Q. You did not report it to Citibank compliance, correct?
A. No.
Q. And you continued to talk to Ms. Wang even though you moved
onto healthcare, right?
MS. MURRAY: Asked and answered.
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. Mr. Khaled, in 2020, would it be fair to say that you
yourself were having some financial issues?
A. Yeah.
Q. Can you speak up.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2120
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
A. Yes.
Q. It's fair to say you were having financial issues?
A. Yes.
Q. And you had declared bankruptcy in 2018, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. And that was in Eastern District of New York, Brooklyn
right here, correct?
A. No.
Q. Where was it then?
A. Islip, Long Island.
Q. Still under the Eastern District purview, correct?
A. I believe so.
Q. And that bankruptcy, the trustee in that bankruptcy moved
to dismiss that bankruptcy on February 16 of 2018, correct?
A. Yeah.
Q. And they dismissed it because you didn't keep up with the
bankruptcy related payments, correct?
A. That was improper documents, that's why they dismissed it.
Q. I'm sorry.
A. Improper documents that were filed.
Q. You filed improper documents or somebody else?
A. My attorney.
Q. Your attorney filed improper documents, so the bankruptcy
was dismissed. That's your testimony?
A. I believe so, yeah.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2121
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
Q. You believe so or you know?
A. I think that was dismissed because of that, yeah, because
of improper documents.
Q. Okay. The court dismissed another bankruptcy on November
21, 2018, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. And that was also because you failed to make the agreed
upon payments to people you owed money to, correct?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor, mischaracterizing
the reason for the prior dismissal.
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. Why was that bankruptcy dismissed, sir?
A. For the same reason.
Q. Oh, your lawyer again made a mistake?
A. Yeah, it was right after a month in between them, correct.
Q. So the lawyer made a mistake the first time. Was it a
different lawyer now or you kept the same lawyer that had made
the mistake?
A. I think I kept him.
Q. So you made the mistake now the second time?
A. I believe so, yeah.
Q. And did you keep him after the second time?
A. Yes.
Q. So you kept him after the second time, and then the
bankruptcy was dismissed again in February of 2019, correct?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2122
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
A. It was all under one bankruptcy, so it wasn't separate
three. There's one bankruptcy that stayed active.
Q. Right. And it stayed active because you didn't make
payments to people you owed money to under the bankruptcy plan,
correct?
A. No, it stayed active until now. Like, it stayed active.
Those three is one. Those three that you just --
Q. Did you owe money to people?
A. Yeah.
Q. You didn't pay it, right?
A. Now I did, yeah.
Q. You paid it when?
A. Through the bankruptcy.
Q. 2024?
A. There's two payments left.
Q. Okay. So you haven't paid it yet, right?
A. There's two payments left.
Q. So two payments are left, that means you haven't paid it
yet, right? Help me out here.
A. Yes, there's two payments left out of the 100 percent owed,
correct.
Q. So you haven't paid it off yet, right?
MS. MURRAY: Objection.
THE COURT: Sustained.
MS. SHROFF: I haven't gotten an answer to that
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2123
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
question.
THE COURT: Sustained. He has answered the question.
Q. Sitting here today is it your testimony that the bankruptcy
trustee did not move to dismiss these bankruptcies on December
21 of 2023?
A. December 2023, yeah, the last two payments have not been
paid.
Q. How about on March 25 of 2024, do you remember the
bankruptcy trustee dismissing the bankruptcy as recently as
March 25 of 2024 for failure to pay?
A. Yeah, I didn't pay those last two payments.
Q. And throughout the time you were employed, at least from
2018 until 2020, you were employed by Citibank, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. You did not tell Citibank that you were in bankruptcy,
correct?
A. No.
Q. And did you tell the bankruptcy trustee about this $2.7
million judgment?
A. The what?
Q. The $2.7 million judgment now, have you told the bankruptcy
trustee about that?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor, mischaracterizes
what the 2.7 million is.
THE COURT: You can ask whether he's told the
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2124
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6BBGUO3 Khaled - Cross
bankruptcy trustee about the $2.7 million obligation.
MS. SHROFF: Thank you, your Honor.
Q. You can answer that question. Thank you.
A. No.
Q. Aren't you required to do that?
A. I don't know.
Q. You don't know?
A. No.
Q. Still have the same lawyer as before?
A. Yes.
Q. Have you checked with him if you have this obligation?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor.
MS. SHROFF: I'll move on.
Q. In June of 2020, Citibank itself had taken adverse action
on the GTV and Saraca accounts, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And you yourself in 2020 were looking to get out of
Citibank, correct?
A. Yes.
(Continued on next page)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2125
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
BY MS. SHROFF:
Q. You were the one who asked Ms. Wang for a job opportunity;
isn't that correct?
A. No.
Q. You asked her about the possibility of opening up a
consulting firm?
A. It was discussed, not me asking.
Q. How would she know about your desire to open a consulting
firm if you didn't tell her about it?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor.
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. You told her about your desire to open a consulting firm,
correct?
A. It was discussed.
Q. You'd run your own business before, right?
A. Yes.
Q. It had not been successful, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. You wanted to try again, correct?
A. Yeah.
Q. You wanted an international client base, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And Ms. Wang and her companies provided that, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. You made the pitch, she turned you down, correct?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2126
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
A. I don't know what you mean.
Q. I'm sorry?
A. I don't know what you mean.
Q. You said, can you and I form an international consulting
firm, she said no, correct?
A. No.
Q. Okay. You then asked her if there was a need for a person
like you at GTV, correct?
A. I don't recall.
Q. You said to her, I can help you open bank accounts,
correct?
A. I don't recall these exact words.
Q. Well, you texted with her, right?
A. Yeah.
Q. You texted with her on iPhone, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. You texted with her on Signal, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. And you testified on direct that you perceived Ms. Wang to
be a caring person towards her employees, correct?
A. She acted caring, yeah.
Q. You testified to what you testified to, sir. I'm just
asking you, that was your impression, at least back then,
correct?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor. Argumentative.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2127
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
MS. SHROFF: I'll move on, your Honor.
Q. That was your impression back then, sir?
A. Impression of what?
Q. Of her being a caring person.
A. Back then, yeah.
Q. Okay. You asked her if she could set up a job interview
for you at GTV, correct?
A. It wasn't asked, it was discussed, and she asked me.
Q. It was discussed, but she asked you; that's your testimony.
A. Yeah, it was——it was a discussion, back and forth.
Q. Okay. In any event, you had an interview, right?
A. Very informal, yeah.
Q. Very informal interview, with whom?
A. With Yvette.
Q. With Ms. Wang?
A. Yes.
Q. Where was the interview, sir?
A. At the townhouse, 162 East 64th Street.
Q. And now let me ask you this question, here. In the 19
times that you met with Ms. Murray, did you ever call the East
64th Street building a townhouse?
A. Yes.
Q. Really.
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor.
Q. In all the times that you——
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2128
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor.
MS. SHROFF: I'll move on.
THE COURT: Please don't say "really." Go ahead.
MS. SHROFF: I apologize, your Honor.
Q. In all the time that you talked to Ms. Wang about meeting
with her, did she ever refer to the East 64th Street structure
as the townhouse?
A. I believe so, yeah.
Q. You believe so?
A. Yeah.
Q. Okay. When you entered the building, what is the big sign
you see over there?
MS. SHROFF: Can you show it to him, please.
A. Big sign? What do you mean? Where?
Q. I'm going to——let me show you a photograph, if I may, okay?
A. Sure.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, I don't have an exhibit
number, but I'm going to go with 7001, Defense Exhibit 7001.
THE COURT: Okay.
Q. You see that?
A. Yes.
Q. Recognize it?
A. Yeah.
Q. What is it, sir?
A. It's a very small sign called The Himalaya Embassy.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2129
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
Q. Where do you see that sign?
A. It's right here.
Q. No, no. In real life, where do you see that sign?
A. What do you mean?
Q. Where else have you seen this sign?
A. On that building.
Q. On that building, right?
A. Yeah, next to the door.
MS. SHROFF: Okay. I move 7001 into evidence, please.
MS. MURRAY: No objection.
THE COURT: It is admitted.
(Defendant's Exhibit 7001 received in evidence)
Q. That's what they called this building, right?
MS. SHROFF: If I could show it to the jury.
A. Are you asking me?
Q. Excuse me?
A. Are you asking me?
Q. Yes.
A. That's what they called the building?
Q. Yes.
A. No.
Q. So on the building when you enter, you see this sign,
right?
A. Who "they"?
Q. East 64th Street is a building, right?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2130
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
A. Yes.
Q. Ms. Murray showed you the photographs, correct, of the
building?
A. Correct.
Q. She had shown you those photographs when you prepared with
her 19 times, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. She's never shown you this photograph, correct?
A. No, I didn't see it.
Q. Right. And this, The Himalaya Embassy, appears on that
building, correct?
A. Next to the door.
Q. Of that building.
A. Next to the door of that building.
Q. Right. East 64th, correct?
A. 162 East 64th Street.
Q. Right. And when anybody wants to meet there, they say,
let's meet at the embassy, correct?
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. Isn't that building known as the embassy and not a person
calls it the townhouse?
A. No.
MS. SHROFF: Okay. You can take that down.
Q. Is this the building where you had your interview, East
64th?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2131
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
A. Yes.
Q. And Yvette was there, correct, Ms. Wang?
A. Correct.
Q. She was formally dressed for the interview, correct?
A. She was dressed normal.
Q. Well, you wore a suit, right?
A. Yeah.
Q. It was a job interview, right?
A. No. It was like a——a meeting, like I said, an informal
meeting.
Q. It was an informal meeting for which you sent her a résumé,
correct?
A. She asked for it, yeah.
Q. So you sent it, right?
A. I did send it.
Q. Before you sent it, you updated it, correct?
A. Yeah.
Q. Okay. She reviewed your résumé with you during the
interview, correct?
A. Don't recall.
Q. Asked you questions about your experience, correct?
A. No.
Q. No.
MS. MURRAY: Is there a question pending, your Honor?
THE COURT: What is the question?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2132
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
Q. What month was this interview in, sir; do you recall?
A. I think it was in June.
Q. June of 2020, right?
A. Yes.
Q. Pandemic is still surging, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And you went for an in-person interview, right?
A. Again, it's a meeting. I went for a meeting.
Q. You went for an in-person meeting, correct?
A. Yeah.
Q. There was a follow-up? You'd call it a meeting, I'd call
it an interview, but there was a follow-up, correct?
A. Follow-up for what?
Q. To that interview.
A. In what sense?
Q. Well, did you get the job at the first informal discussion,
as you call it?
A. Yes, I got a job offer.
Q. You got a job offer right there on the spot.
A. No.
Q. Yes or no?
A. No, no.
Q. No.
A. No.
Q. Okay. So they——first you said yes, then you said no, so I
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2133
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
want to make sure which one.
MS. MURRAY: Your Honor, objection. That
mischaracterizes the witness's answer.
THE COURT: So did you get a job offer at the first
meeting?
THE WITNESS: No.
Q. Okay. So they brought you back, correct?
A. No.
Q. Did they set up a second meeting?
A. Yes.
Q. Where was the second meeting?
A. It was a Zoom, a Zoom or WhatsApp or——a Zoom, a video call.
Q. A video meeting?
A. A video call, correct.
Q. Okay. And whether they brought you back in person or on
WhatsApp, they brought you back for a second interview,
correct?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor. It's
mischaracterizing——
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. Okay. What was the Zoom meeting for?
A. Yvette wanted me to meet Miles Guo.
Q. Who else was at the meeting?
A. On the call, it was just Yvette and Miles Guo and myself.
Q. Okay. And did you meet Mr. Guo?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2134
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
A. On the call, yes.
Q. Could you see his face?
A. Yes.
Q. So it wasn't a call, it was a video, correct?
A. That's what I meant, a video call.
Q. So on this video call Mr. Guo asked you questions; is that
right?
A. I can't recall if he asked questions.
Q. And how many days after that, according to you, did you get
a job offer?
A. I don't know the——I don't remember the exact days.
Q. Okay. Do you remember negotiating with Ms. Wang what your
salary would be?
A. A little bit, yeah.
Q. Well, it was a lot of back-and-forth, correct?
A. I don't know about a lot. I don't know the exact number of
back-and-forth.
Q. You texted with her, right?
A. I did.
Q. And you texted with her about the dollar amount of your
salary, correct?
A. Yeah.
Q. You wanted a certain number and she right off the bat
wouldn't give it to you, correct?
A. I believe so, yeah.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2135
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
Q. Right. In fact, you texted her and you told her that you
were considered one of the top bankers at Citibank and she
should give you the salary you were asking for; remember that?
A. Not in these exact words. I don't remember.
Q. I'm sorry?
A. I don't remember the exact words, no.
Q. But the gist of it is the fair one, right?
A. What's the gist? What do you mean?
Q. That you told her that you were considered one of the top
bankers at Citibank, correct?
A. Again, I don't remember the exact words.
MS. SHROFF: May I, your Honor?
THE COURT: You may.
Q. Does that help refresh your recollection, Mr. Khaled?
A. Yes.
Q. May I.
And you pitched to her why you should get the salary
you wanted, correct?
A. Again, I wouldn't call it pitch.
Q. Okay. What would you call it?
A. I was simply asking if I have security in the job that
they're going to be offering me.
Q. Okay. Well, let's talk about that. You asked her that
question, correct?
A. Correct.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2136
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
Q. And what is it that she told you? Do you remember?
A. She said, if you want security, stay at Citibank.
Q. Exactly. She told you if you wanted security, you should
stay at Citibank, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And then you continued to negotiate with her, correct?
A. I continued talking to her, yeah.
Q. I could not hear that.
A. I continued talking to her.
Q. But you didn't just talk to her, you talked to her about
the salary amount, correct?
A. The amount was discussed.
Q. Right. You told her that you were going to forfeit your
bonus at Citibank so she should give you $70,000 to make up for
the lost bonus, and she said no, right?
A. I told her about a bonus, yeah.
Q. You told her you had——you wanted a two-month signing bonus;
you said that to Ms. Wang, correct?
A. Could have, yeah. Yeah.
Q. And she said no, right?
A. I don't remember what was exact reply, but I didn't get
that, no.
Q. You did not get that, correct?
A. No.
Q. She told you if you wanted job security, you should stay at
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2137
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
Citibank, correct?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor.
THE COURT: Sustained. Asked and answered.
Q. She answered all of your questions honestly, correct?
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. Did you think that question was honestly answered by
Ms. Wang, stay at Citibank?
A. I wouldn't know if it was honest or not.
Q. Okay. And despite her admonition, you decided to take the
job, right?
A. Despite what?
Q. The admonition from her, you decided to take the job,
right?
A. Can you explain what "admonition" is.
Q. It's okay. I'll move on.
You told Ms. Wang at some point that you were going to
accept the job, right?
A. Yes.
Q. And she put you in touch with Ms. Grace Yong; is that
right?
A. Correct.
Q. And that's because you still had more questions, correct?
A. No. She just put me in touch with her.
Q. You asked her questions about your role at GTV and she told
you, talk to Grace Yong, correct? Do you recall that?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2138
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
A. No.
Q. Okay. Ms. Yong worked in HR; is that correct?
A. Yes.
Q. She answered your questions, correct?
A. She gave me a scope of work.
Q. And you described your conversation with her as a great
conversation, correct?
A. I told her that——that I had a great conversation with——with
her.
Q. You accepted the job offer, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. You did not get the salary you asked for, correct?
A. No.
Q. And——no, you did not get it, right? I just want to make
sure the syntax is correct. You asked for more, you settled on
350,000, correct?
A. I agreed on the 350,000, correct.
Q. Right. But you'd asked for more, right? You'd asked for
$450,000, you got 350.
A. I don't remember exactly, but definitely more than 350, for
the bonus, yeah.
Q. And you accepted the job, correct?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor. Asked and
answered several times.
THE COURT: Sustained.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2139
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
MS. SHROFF: I did not hear the answer, but I'm happy
to move on.
Q. And on July 7——July 10th of 2020, Ms. Wang reached out to
you to ask you if you had resigned from Citibank, correct?
A. She might have. I don't remember.
Q. Does that refresh your recollection, Mr. Khaled?
A. Yes.
Q. She asked you, did you submit your resignation, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. You say, not yet, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. You never say to her, I'm not going to resign right now,
I'm going to keep the job at Citibank and hedge my bets,
correct?
A. No.
Q. And in fact, you respond to her and say you have to
finalize some things, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. You hedge, correct?
A. I'm what?
Q. It's all right. I'll move on.
You start working, right, at East 64th Street, you
said, yesterday?
A. Yes.
Q. And Ms. Murray asked you to describe your first few days
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2140
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
there, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. And you described them as chaotic or weird; is that
correct?
A. I said weird, not structured.
Q. Okay. So let's talk about that.
When you were working during those weeks before
October 30th at East 64th, you were working two jobs, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. Okay. Did Citibank give you a work phone?
A. I don't think so. Not at that time.
Q. In July of 2020, Citibank did not give you a work phone,
right? I just want to make sure I understand correctly.
A. I don't remember.
Q. Okay. So you had a 9-to-5 job at Citibank, correct, and a
9-to-5 job at East 64th, right?
A. 9-to-5, correct. But it was pandemic time.
Q. Okay. But you still owed seven hours to one job and seven
hours to another, right?
A. It wasn't an hourly job.
Q. You wouldn't take a salary if you weren't working for a
company, correct? Because that would be theft.
A. I was working, but again, it's not an hourly job of seven
hours and seven hours.
Q. So for about three months, you worked 14 hours a day;
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2141
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
that's your testimony?
A. No. It was two months, yeah.
Q. So for two months you worked 14 hours a day.
Let me try it this way: If you were at East 64th one
day and a Citibank employee or client called you, how would you
prioritize?
THE COURT: I'd like the lawyers to step up, please.
(Continued on next page)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2142
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
(At the sidebar)
THE COURT: So you're asking him about theft of wages,
and he has a right against self-incrimination, and so I'm going
to have to advise him of his rights.
MS. SHROFF: You can. I have no objection. I mean,
but he did steal.
THE COURT: Well, this is at the level of a state
charge. I don't expect that the immunity of the——
MS. MURRAY: Your Honor, we don't have any objection
to this line of questioning. He disclosed it to us. It came
out on his direct testimony. We believe it's covered by his
nonprosecution agreement, which covers him for any conduct
relating to the entire time that he worked for Guo, for Yvette
Wang during that period.
THE COURT: But not a state crime.
MS. SHROFF: I think he should be advised because it
is a state offense.
MS. MURRAY: So typically, your Honor, for purposes of
our nonprosecution agreements or any agreements we enter into,
state crimes, crimes that are out of statute, etc., are not at
issue. He was advised by counsel in entering into the
non-prosecution agreement. We don't know the substance, okay,
of those conversations, but he did have the benefit of
consulting with counsel before he entered into the
nonprosecution agreement, and again, he disclosed it to us, and
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2143
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
again, we brought it out on direct examination.
MR. KAMARAJU: So I would just note that I think his
nonprosecution agreement, like everybody's nonprosecution
agreement, specifically says that they cannot give protection
for criminal prosecutions either by other federal offices or
state authorities, so I think it's pretty explicit that it
doesn't cover it, your Honor.
THE COURT: All righty. So I'm going to have to
advise him of his rights and offer him counsel.
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, if I may, he has counsel with
respect to his testimony here.
THE COURT: But does he have counsel present?
MR. FINKEL: I don't know about that.
MS. MURRAY: I don't believe so.
MR. FINKEL: As a general matter, this happens all the
time. When our office provides a nonprosecution agreement,
they have exposure also for state crimes. It happens all the
time, whether it's domestic violence or fighting or whatever it
may be. He has decided to enter into the nonprosecution
agreement and understands that he needs to answer questions on
cross and direct and from your Honor, completely and honestly
with respect to all of his conduct, and we don't believe that
any such instruction should occur, and if it does occur——which
we would object to, for the record——it should occur outside the
presence of the jury.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2144
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
THE COURT: That part I got.
MR. FINKEL: I was just——candidly, your Honor, sort of
with less formality attached to it, this happens all the time
where people have exposure, and they enter into a nonpros. And
while I appreciate defense counsel looking out for a witness, I
don't think it's necessary here and this is pretty standard
practice.
MR. FERGENSON: If I can add just one point to
Mr. Kamaraju's point about what's in the agreement. Like
Mr. Finkel said, sort of every agreement covers the federal
crimes, but it's hard to think of what would be a federal crime
that would not also be a state or local crime, right? And so
the agreement says, we can't formally give you coverage for
that, but at your request, we will raise to the attention of
any other prosecuting office the fact that you have entered a
nonprosecution agreement with our office for this conduct.
MR. KAMARAJU: Your Honor, I'm sorry. I think this
whole issue has been addressed in Kastigar, which I think
Kastigar, like, categorically addresses this issue, which is
that he continues to have a Fifth Amendment right in connection
with state offenses, despite the entry of a nonprosecution
agreement. So I think your Honor is well within your
discretion——and frankly, it makes sense——to advise him outside
of the presence of the jury. But that's——they cannot immunize
him for state offenses, and this is apparently getting into——
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2145
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
MR. FERGENSON: Every single cooperator——
MR. KAMARAJU: And that is true then for every single
cooperator.
MR. FERGENSON: It never happens for every cooperator.
MR. KAMARAJU: That is the law.
THE COURT: Well, you're in front of somebody who used
to be a state judge sitting on the bench. So my question is:
Other than this area of this theft of wages, is there any other
state crime that you intend to bring up?
MS. SHROFF: No. I don't think there is——actually,
wait.
MR. KAMARAJU: I don't think, right at this moment,
your Honor. If I can just take a look at her outline to make
sure nothing is there, but I think the answer is no.
MS. SHROFF: I think there was a whole bunch of
bounced checks, but I don't think there's any other state
crimes. I think it was all federal. So I don't think so. But
I'm happy to double-check.
MR. FINKEL: I'm not even sure this is theft of wages,
but I understand.
MR. KAMARAJU: I think your Honor is well versed on
that, so——
MR. FINKEL: I'm obviously not going to——I'm not going
to enter that competition, so that should be clear on the
record.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2146
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
MS. SHROFF: I don't know. I kind of miss being in
state court. I got to tell you, 100 Centre Street was a lot
more fun than this.
MR. KAMARAJU: Does your Honor intend to excuse the
jury at this point or——
ALL COUNSEL: Well, she was going to check her
outline. That was my understanding of what she was going to
do.
MR. KAMARAJU: Oh, I misunderstood what you were going
to do. I'll take a quick look at it just to make sure.
THE COURT: Yes.
(Pause)
MS. SHROFF: I do not intend to cross him on his DUIs
or his pot smoking so I think this is it.
THE COURT: Well, we can take a break.
MS. SHROFF: Okay. I could use it.
THE COURT: I'm going to look into getting a CJA
person, and let's just continue, and you'll go to a different
subject matter.
MR. FINKEL: He has counsel, retained counsel. We can
certainly have him call his counsel, as opposed to a CJA. I'm
sure he would be available. He knows he's testifying.
MS. MURRAY: My understanding he was aware he's
testifying. He was just not in the state yesterday and today
to be present.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2147
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
THE COURT: Who's his lawyer?
MS. MURRAY: James Pascarella.
MS. SHROFF: He also has Ezra Spilke, right, as a
lawyer?
MS. MURRAY: Formerly.
MS. SHROFF: He's on the CJA panel. Maybe he can call
both of them. We have no objection to who he calls.
MS. MURRAY: I think we would, in the first instance,
suggest he contact Mr. Pascarella, but we'd be happy to do
that.
THE COURT: So you'll move on to a different subject
matter. It looks like he's going to be back tomorrow.
MS. MURRAY: How long do you have?
MS. SHROFF: Oh, I have——
MR. KAMARAJU: I think it's fair to say he's coming
back tomorrow.
MS. MURRAY: We could take this up——
THE COURT: I'm going to stop before 3:00 because I
have to finish completely by 3:00, so——
MS. SHROFF: Well, I thought we were going to 3
tomorrow, not today.
THE COURT: Sorry. I'm talking before 2:45.
MR. FINKEL: So we can release our other witness we're
holding here for today?
MS. SHROFF: Sure.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2148
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
MR. KAMARAJU: Yes.
(In open court)
MS. SHROFF: May I continue, your Honor?
THE COURT: You may.
MS. SHROFF: Thank you.
If I could just show what is marked as Government
Exhibit BR399.
BY MS. SHROFF:
Q. Mr. Khaled, you recall testifying about this document
yesterday, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And Ms. Murray asked you questions about this paragraph 5,
correct?
A. Yes.
Q. Okay. And paragraph 5, could you read that line for me,
"The equity grant will."
A. "The equity grant will be subject to a vesting
requirement."
Q. Right. And you remember on direct yesterday you testified
that you did not in fact get any of this equity or the shares
that this contract provided for you, correct? That's what you
said?
A. Yes.
Q. And did you fulfill the vesting requirement of this
contract?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2149
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
A. It wasn't clear what the vesting requirement was.
Q. How long did you work there?
A. Almost a year.
Q. Almost a year? How many months?
A. 11 months, something like that.
Q. That's less than one year. And you say it under oath that
you don't know what the vesting requirements were, correct?
A. No.
Q. Do you know what the vesting requirements were?
A. No.
Q. Okay. So when you told the jury yesterday that you didn't
get any shares, you weren't really entitled to any shares,
right?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor.
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. Under this paragraph 5, were you entitled to any shares?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor. He said he
doesn't know.
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. What is your understanding of the vesting requirement?
A. Entitled.
Q. Excuse me?
A. Entitlement.
Q. Entitlement to what?
A. Entitlement requirements. That's what I mean by vesting.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2150
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
That's what I understand what vesting is, entitlement.
Q. Right. So until you vest, you don't get anything, correct?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor. Asked and
answered.
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. Did you have an exit interview, by the way, when you left?
THE COURT: Left where?
Q. Your employment?
THE COURT: Where?
Q. With GTV. Did you have an exit interview?
A. I didn't leave.
Q. You didn't leave? What happened?
A. They——they let me go.
Q. They fired you?
A. They said the company is closing, not really——not requiring
me.
Q. Only you were told that, right?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor.
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. Gladis still worked there, right?
A. I don't know where Gladis worked.
Q. Ms. Yong still worked there, right?
A. I don't know who still works there.
Q. Alex——not now. I'm talking to you when you were fired.
They still worked there, right?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2151
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor, to the
characterization.
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. Okay. When you were let go——that's the word you used,
right? Let go, right?
A. Correct.
Q. Okay. Ms. Yong still worked there in HR, correct?
A. Maybe.
Q. Maybe? Okay. How about Aaron Mitchell, did he still work
there?
A. Work where exactly?
Q. East 64th Street.
A. At the building?
Q. Yes.
A. At the townhouse?
Q. Well, that's what you call it, but I just asked you about
East 64th Street.
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor.
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. Aaron Mitchell still worked there, correct?
A. He still worked for the family as a family office.
Q. Who's Dan Podhaskie, by the way?
A. Dan Podhaskie?
Q. Yes.
A. He was an in-house lawyer when I joined Saraca.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2152
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
Q. In-house where, for whom?
A. He worked for the Rule of Law.
Q. Worked, according to you, at East 64th Street, correct?
A. Yeah.
Q. He still worked there after you were let go, correct?
A. No.
Q. He didn't work there when you were let go?
A. No.
Q. Okay. How about Alex H?
A. Again, I lost——I lost touch with them, so I don't know if
they continued to work there or not.
Q. Okay. But on the day that you were let go, Alex H was
still there, correct?
A. I don't know.
Q. Now on direct testimony you were asked questions about many
entities including Lexington Properties, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And then you were asked about Lamp, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. And you were asked about Jovial, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. Would it be fair to describe all three of these entities as
Family Fund entities?
A. What do you mean by Family Fund entities?
Q. What did you mean by Family Fund when you testified to the
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2153
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
Family Fund?
A. What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean why
you testified to Family Fund? Can you——
Q. Yesterday on direct, when Ms. Murray asked you questions
about the Family Fund, you answered those questions, correct?
A. Your question is not clear.
Q. You testified yesterday in this courtroom?
A. Yes.
Q. You testified about the Family Fund, correct?
I'll try it again. You testified about the family
office, correct? You remember that, at least?
A. Family office?
Q. Yes.
A. Yes.
Q. Okay. What did you understand to be the family office?
A. An entity that took care of expenses, investments for the
family.
Q. Which family?
A. As——you're asking me again family office? That's what
family office——in this, it's Guo family.
Q. Guo family, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. And Lexington Properties was an entity that paid the
expenses of the Guo family, correct?
A. No.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2154
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
Q. It didn't pay the expenses?
A. No. Lexington Properties was to pay for employees and
rent.
Q. Okay. And whose rent was included in that?
A. I don't know. I didn't manage exactly——
Q. So you don't know?
A. ——the transactions.
Q. I'm sorry?
A. The transactions. I don't know.
Q. Okay. So you don't know what transactions, correct?
A. The specific transactions, no.
Q. You don't——do you know general transactions? No, right?
A. General, employees that worked in the townhouse.
Q. Did you ever look at any paperwork for Lexington
Properties?
A. Formation documents, yeah.
Q. Did you look at any of their day-to-day payroll?
A. No.
Q. Did you look at any of their bank accounts?
A. Not specifically, no.
Q. You don't know what money came in, correct? And you don't
know what money went out, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. Let's talk about Lamp. What did Lamp do?
A. Same thing. It was——it was told to me that Lamp was paying
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2155
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
expenses for separate——for separate entities as well.
Q. For separate entities or for the Guo family?
A. Entities owned by the Guo family.
Q. What entities that were owned by the Guo family did Lamp
pay for?
A. There was a bunch of entities. I don't——
Q. Name one.
A. I don't remember. You could show me.
Q. Excuse me?
A. I don't remember.
Q. You don't remember, right?
A. No.
Q. Okay. You testified about a company called Regus, right,
R-E-G-U-S? Remember that?
A. Regus, yeah.
Q. And you testified that they're the company through which
you rented virtual office space; is that right?
A. Correct.
Q. There's nothing illegal about virtual office space, is
there?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor. He can't speak to
a legal conclusion.
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. Did you rent a virtual office?
A. Yes.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2156
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
Q. Did you sign a lease?
A. They don't call it a lease. It's an agreement.
Q. I'm sorry?
A. It's not a lease, it's an agreement.
Q. Okay.
A. Like, you know——
Q. Thank you. So you signed the agreement, correct?
A. Yeah.
Q. Okay. And you signed virtual——I don't know, if it's not a
lease——I guess agreements for virtual space for other entities
also, correct?
A. For other entities, yeah. Yeah.
Q. Yes?
A. Yes.
Q. Okay. And you testified on direct yesterday that you did
that to show disassociation between Saraca, GTV, and Golden
Spring, correct?
A. Different address, yeah.
Q. Right. You chose the addresses, or did someone else?
A. For Lexington, Anthony wanted it close so they could pick
up the mail.
Q. My question to you was: Did you choose the addresses or
did someone else?
MS. MURRAY: Asked and answered, your Honor. He
answered the question.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2157
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
THE COURT: Sustained.
MS. SHROFF: I'm sorry. Could somebody read that
answer back for me, please.
(Record read)
BY MS. SHROFF:
Q. So Anthony Dibatista was the one who wanted to be close so
he could pick up the mail; is that right?
A. Yes.
Q. So you and Anthony Dibatista talked about what address to
pick, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. And you picked the address with him, correct?
A. He asked me to get an address that is close, and that
location was the closest to the townhouse.
Q. And you complied, correct?
I'll move on.
Before you started working there, there were no
virtual offices, correct?
MS. MURRAY: Just clarify where "there" is.
MS. SHROFF: Oh. At East 64th Street.
THE COURT: But there were no virtual offices in the
United States or——
MS. SHROFF: No, no. There were no virtual offices
for any G entity before he got there. I apologize, your Honor.
That was a bad question. Sorry.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2158
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
A. I wouldn't know that.
Q. But you would know that because you wouldn't have had to
get virtual office space if they already had it, correct?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor.
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. Before you signed an agreement for virtual office space,
you checked, right, that there was no virtual office space for
these entities beforehand?
A. Yes. They were new entities, Lexington was a new one, so——
Q. How about Lamp?
A. Don't remember.
Q. How about Jovial?
A. What do you mean?
Q. An entity for which you got virtual office space.
A. I don't think we got an entity——a virtual office for
Jovial.
Q. Okay. So your testimony was you only got virtual office
space for Lamp and Lexington.
MS. MURRAY: Objection. That's not his testimony.
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. Which other companies did you get a virtual office for?
A. G Music.
Q. And where was G Music before you got it a virtual office?
A. I don't know.
Q. It was at East 64th, right?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2159
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
A. No.
Q. You just said you don't know, but you know it wasn't at
East 64th.
A. I know it wasn't at 64th, but I don't know what other
addresses they had.
Q. How about G Fashion?
A. Which G Fashion? There was multiple.
Q. Did you open multiple virtual offices for G Fashion?
A. I know, but which G Fashion are you asking about?
Q. I'm only asking about the G Fashion for which you opened a
virtual office.
A. The G Fashion that was in the US had an office in
California, but I don't know if it was a virtual or not.
Q. G Fashion moved from California to New York, correct?
A. Again, which G Fashion?
Q. And then it moved from New York to Italy, correct?
A. I don't know that.
Q. Who signed the agreements for the virtual offices?
A. I don't remember. Either me or Yvette. I'm not sure.
Q. Now you testified about an entity called Crane, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And on direct you testified that you created this entity
after a discussion with Ms. Wang and an in-house attorney,
correct? That's your testimony?
A. Correct.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2160
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
Q. Is it fair to say, Mr. Khaled, that you're the one who
chose the name Crane, correct?
A. It was suggested to Yvette, and she approved it.
Q. Isn't it true, Mr. Khaled, that you chose the name because
you thought it was a lucky bird to name your company after?
A. Yeah, Chinese one.
Q. Right. Ms. Wang had nothing to do with picking that name,
correct?
A. It had a relationship to China.
Q. That's not what I asked you. What I asked you was:
Ms. Wang had nothing to do with you choosing that name; isn't
that correct?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor. Mischaracterizes
the testimony.
THE COURT: You can answer this.
A. Can you repeat the question.
MS. SHROFF: Could you read it back to him, please.
THE COURT: Go ahead.
(Record read)
A. She had approved the name.
Q. Do you see a difference between choosing and approving?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor.
THE COURT: So you selected the name and then she
approved it; is that the way it happened?
THE WITNESS: Yeah, I suggested it and she approved
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2161
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
it.
Q. Did you email her about the name? No, right?
A. I don't remember.
Q. You never texted her about the name, correct?
A. Again, I don't remember.
Q. She never went with you when you went to incorporate the
company, correct?
A. We did it——I did it online.
Q. She wasn't there with you, right, when you did it online?
A. No.
Q. And she had nothing to do with you paying the fee for that
company, correct?
A. What do you mean had nothing?
Q. In fact, isn't it fair to say, Mr. Khaled, that she
couldn't care one way or another whether you opened or didn't
open Crane?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor.
THE COURT: Sustained. He can't testify as to how she
felt.
Q. Who controlled Crane?
A. In what instance?
Q. In what instance?
A. Yeah. Like, what do you mean?
Q. Who had ownership of Crane?
A. I had ownership on paper.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2162
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
Q. Is there any other way to have ownership of Crane?
A. On paper, no.
Q. Is there any other way to have ownership of Crane other
than on paper?
A. No.
Q. And you testified yesterday on direct that it was through
this entity Crane that you were going to apply for a license
for a bank, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. Your thought was that you were going to get a license for
an actual bank, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. And you also had the thought that you might want to get a
license for an online digital bank, correct?
A. Can you repeat that.
Q. Sure. And was it also your hope or your intention to set
up an online digital bank?
A. Correct.
Q. And as a banker of at least a decade, did you know that a
person who has declared bankruptcy is disqualified from getting
such a license?
A. Don't believe so.
Q. You don't believe——you believe that a person who is in
personal bankruptcy, while they're applying for the license to
run a bank, is not automatically disqualified.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2163
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
A. No. I did not know that.
Q. You did not know that.
A. I don't know that for sure.
Q. You don't know that for sure.
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor.
A. No.
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. Did you research whether or not your personal bankruptcy,
which you are in even now, would disqualify you from owning a
bank?
A. The attorneys we were talking to didn't see that would be
an issue.
Q. Did you tell the attorneys that you were in bankruptcy?
A. Yes.
Q. Which attorneys did you tell? Did you tell Victor Cerda
that you were in bankruptcy?
A. Yes.
Q. You told Victor Cerda that you were in bankruptcy at the
time that you were applying for a banking license?
A. Yes, he knew that.
Q. You told Ms. Wang, Yvette Wang, that you were in bankruptcy
while you were applying for a banking license.
A. Yes.
Q. And your testimony——did you also share that information
with Miles Guo?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2164
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
A. Yes.
Q. And when did you share that information with Yvette Wang,
before or after you accepted that job?
A. After.
Q. So you took a job, you didn't tell her you were in
bankruptcy, and then you disclosed it to her after.
A. Yes.
Q. When?
A. October of 2020.
Q. When in 2020?
A. October.
Q. October of 2020?
A. Yeah.
Q. You told Ms. Wang in October of 2020 that you had declared
personal bankruptcy.
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor. Asked and
answered.
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. Did she ask you for paperwork about the bankruptcy?
A. No.
Q. Did she ask you how long you declared bankruptcy for?
A. No.
Q. Did she ask you how much you owed the trustee in
bankruptcy?
A. No.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2165
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
Q. So you told Yvette Wang, your employer, that you were in
bankruptcy and she asked you no follow-up questions.
A. No. She said that she'll add somebody else to the company.
Q. She'll add somebody else to whose company?
A. Crane.
Q. But Crane was your company, right?
A. Correct.
Q. She couldn't add anybody to your company at all, correct?
A. If she asked me to, I would have.
Q. But she didn't ask you to, correct?
A. In the beginning, she did.
Q. Oh, she asked you. And you said if she'd asked you, you
would have, so why didn't you?
A. I was supposed to create it with Victor Cerda.
Q. Your testimony is Victor Cerda was going to create a
company with you?
A. Yes, ma'am.
Q. Sir, isn't it true that you and Mr. Cerda absolutely did
not get along? In fact, didn't you——
A. We were——
Q. I'm sorry?
THE COURT: Let him answer.
A. We went to Puerto Rico together.
Q. You think because you went to Puerto Rico with Mr. Victor
Cerda, you got along?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2166
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor. That's not his
testimony.
MS. SHROFF: I believe that was——
THE COURT: Did you get along with Mr. Cerda?
THE WITNESS: Yeah, we were fine.
Q. Didn't Mr. Cerda, in the middle of a meeting, call you a
moron?
A. I don't recall that, no.
Q. Didn't he mock you openly for trying to buy a bank without
knowing that you'd need a license?
A. What do you mean? What? Can you repeat the question?
Q. Sure. Didn't Mr. Cerda openly mock you for thinking you
could buy a bank in the United States?
A. I don't recall that, no.
Q. Is it fair to say, Mr. Khaled, that other than that one
trip on which you went with Mr. Cerda, you've never traveled
with him ever, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. You've never been to Mr. Cerda's home, correct?
A. No.
Q. You've never been invited to socialize with him by him,
correct?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, relevance.
MS. SHROFF: He said they were friends.
THE COURT: No. He said that they got along.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2167
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
MS. SHROFF: Okay.
THE COURT: So——
Q. Mr. Cerda never invited you to a single social event,
correct?
MS. MURRAY: Same objection, your Honor.
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. Mr. Cerda never asked to join Crane, correct?
A. He was going to.
Q. He was going to ask you?
A. That was the plan. No, the plan was he was going to join.
Q. He was going to join——
A. And be part of the Crane, correct.
Q. I'm sorry?
A. He was going to be part owner in Crane.
Q. Mr. Cerda was going to be part owner of Crane.
A. Yes.
Q. You emailed with Mr. Cerda, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. You spoke to him by telephone?
A. Yes.
Q. You spoke to him by text?
A. Yes.
Q. And you gave all of those documents to the government,
correct?
A. It was in the discovery, whatever I had.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2168
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4 Khaled - Cross
Q. There's not a single email, text, or exchange that
corroborates what you're saying orally here today, correct?
MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor.
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q. You never sent Mr. Cerda a proposal to join Crane, correct?
A. A proposal?
Q. Yes. It's a business venture, right? Somebody's joining
Crane.
A. No, but I have asked him for documents to join.
Q. You never——listen, please. Could you listen to my
question.
A. Yes, go on.
Q. My question was: Did you send any proposal to Mr. Cerda
inviting him to join you at Crane?
A. When you put it this way, no.
Q. Did you ever send any proposal to Yvette Wang to invite her
to join you at Crane?
A. When you put it this way, no.
Q. You had all those recorded calls, correct?
A. I have, yeah.
Q. And not in one of those calls do you say, you know what,
Yvette, you can just join Crane, correct?
A. What do you mean?
Q. On these calls that you recorded, you never once say,
Ms. Wang, come join me, be my partner in Crane, correct?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2169
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4
A. No.
Q. You never once said that to Mr. Cerda, who's on the calls
with you that you decided to record, correct?
A. Never told him what?
Q. Come join me at Crane.
A. Not on those calls.
Q. Not on any calls did you record ever inviting either of
those two individuals to join you at Crane.
MS. MURRAY: Objection. Asked and answered.
THE COURT: Sustained. Asked and answered.
MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, is this a good time to stop
or should I continue?
THE COURT: Yes, this is a perfectly fine time to
stop. It's 2:36.
Members of the jury, we are going to finish our work
for today a little bit early. Tomorrow you'll return to court
to be ready to come into the courtroom at 9:30. Remember that
you're not allowed to discuss the case amongst yourselves or
with anyone else. Don't permit anyone to discuss the case in
your presence. Don't read, watch, or listen to anything from
any source that concerns any topic that touches on the subject
of this trial.
(Jury not present)
THE COURT: Please be seated.
MR. KAMARAJU: Your Honor, I apologize. Before you
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2170
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4
address the witness, could I just have a very brief sidebar. I
just want to share one thing.
THE COURT: Okay.
MR. KAMARAJU: Thank you.
(At the sidebar)
MR. KAMARAJU: Your Honor had asked previously whether
it's possible any other state law crimes would come up. A
lawyer on our team flagged for me that he did submit an
affidavit in the Pax litigation, which we may ask him about. I
suppose if he disclaims that one of the statements in here is
untrue, it's theoretically possible that that could raise it,
but I just didn't want your Honor to not have that with you
when you were issuing your instructions. That's all.
THE COURT: Okay.
MS. MURRAY: And I confirm that Mr. Pascarella is
available to consult with Mr. Khaled.
THE COURT: Okay. Good.
(In open court)
THE COURT: Mr. Khaled, I want to tell you about a
concern that I have.
You were asked questions about the period of time when
you were working both for Citibank and being paid by Lexington.
Do you remember that?
THE WITNESS: Yes.
THE COURT: And Ms. Shroff started to ask you about
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2171
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4
whether you spent seven hours working for each, for a total of
14 hours. And the agreement that you have with the
prosecution, the nonprosecution agreement, that covers federal
crimes, but it doesn't cover state crimes. If a person accepts
compensation for work that they don't do, let us say they
accept a salary but they work zero hours in a day, it could be
considered a type of theft.
The reason that I bring this up is that you have an
important constitutional right against self-incrimination,
which means that you cannot be compelled to admit to a crime.
So what I'm instructing you to do is to speak with
Mr. Pascarella, your lawyer, and to raise this question with
him as to whether or not you should be answering these
questions about working both for Citibank and for Lexington at
the same time.
In addition, you may be asked about an affidavit that
you signed in which there's a question as to whether or not you
were truthful. Once again, making false statements can be a
state crime, and you're not protected against state crimes. So
I also want you to ask him about that. Do you understand?
It's a yes or no question.
THE WITNESS: No. I don't understand.
THE COURT: So you may recall seeing on television or
on televised trials or hearing about people taking the Fifth.
So when you take the Fifth, you're saying that, I'm asserting
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2172
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4
my right against self-incrimination. I am saying that I will
not admit to a crime. That's what that amounts to. Because
you don't have to. You have a right to remain silent about
that. And so because of this question of whether or not you
were accepting payment for work that you didn't do for a period
of time and this other question of whether you may have not
been truthful on an affidavit, because those things may
constitute state crimes, I want you to speak with
Mr. Pascarella and ask him for his advice as to how to answer
questions that might come up about those two subjects.
THE WITNESS: Sure.
THE COURT: You understand?
THE WITNESS: Yes.
THE COURT: All right. So you'll speak with him
before you recommence your testimony tomorrow.
THE WITNESS: Okay.
THE COURT: All righty. Thank you. And you may step
out. Don't discuss your testimony.
MS. MURRAY: Just to be clear, your Honor, except as
directed by the Court with respect to discussing with
Mr. Pascarella tonight.
THE COURT: Oh, of course. I am instructing you to
discuss your testimony with Mr. Pascarella.
THE WITNESS: Right. Thank you.
THE COURT: Yes.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2173
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4
(Witness not present)
THE COURT: Anything further?
MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense, your Honor.
MS. MURRAY: Yes, your Honor. Just briefly.
The government also would like to speak with
Mr. Pascarella. We won't discuss the substance of Mr. Khaled's
testimony. We just want to make sure that he understands what
the issues are——that is, Mr. Pascarella——so he can properly
advise Mr. Khaled.
MR. KAMARAJU: I think that can be accomplished by
providing the transcript to Mr. Pascarella. He can just get
the transcript, right? They can send the transcript to him.
THE COURT: If it's available. I just don't know how
soon it's going to be available.
MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, we just raise this because we
don't want to run afoul. We're not going to talk to the
witness, obviously, but certainly we're entitled to talk with
his attorney about the agreement he has with us, his lawyer.
THE COURT: Yes.
MR. FINKEL: Briefly, just so we know how many
witnesses to tee up tomorrow and also relevant to the parties'
ongoing discussions about next week's schedule, can Ms. Shroff
provide us an estimate of how much longer is left on cross.
THE COURT: Ms. Shroff.
MS. SHROFF: Two and a half hours.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2174
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
O6B1GUO4
THE COURT: Did you say two and a half?
MS. SHROFF: Yeah. He was on there for a whole day
and a half. I mean——and he also pauses for long. He takes
such a long pause that I interrupt, and then she objects and
she says I'm interrupting.
THE COURT: Well, there's also a lot of repeated
questions, and so you could be more efficient in the
cross-examination.
MS. SHROFF: I will try, your Honor, but I do think
that the asked and answered——I really don't think I got an
answer, but I will try and not repeat myself.
THE COURT: All righty.
MS. SHROFF: Thank you.
THE COURT: Have a good evening.
ALL COUNSEL: Thank you, your Honor.
(Adjourned to June 12, 2024, at 9:00 a.m.)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
2175
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
INDEX OF EXAMINATION
Examination of
:
Pag
e
HAITHAM KHALED
2027Direct By Ms. Murray . . . . . . . . . . . . .
2085Cross By Ms. Shroff . . . . . . . . . . . . .
DEFENDANT EXHIBITS
Exhibit No. Received
7001 2129 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
DX-10339 2104 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
DX-60524 2092 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
Translated Text(简体中文翻译)
【中文翻译 仅供参考】
O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 1 / 145页
美国纽约南区法院
-------------------------------------------------------x
美国政府
控方 23 Cr. 118 (AT)
郭文贵
辩方
-------------------------------------------------------x
纽约州纽约市，
2024 年 6 月 11 日
上午 9:02
庭前:
尊敬的阿娜丽莎-托雷斯法官大人
地区法官
-陪审团-
出庭律师:
达米安-威廉姆斯
纽约南区美国联邦检察官
代表：迈卡·F·费根森
瑞安·B·芬克
贾斯廷·霍顿
朱莉安娜·N·莫里
助理美国检察官
萨布丽娜·P·施洛夫
被告律师
PRYOR CASHMAN LLP
被告律师
【中文翻译 仅供参考】
O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 2 / 145页
代表：西德哈达·卡马拉珠
马修·巴肯
ALSTON & BIRD LLP
被告律师
代表：E·斯科特·舒里克
出席人员：
伊莎贝尔·洛夫特斯，法律助理，美国检察官办公室
迈克尔·加特兰，法律助理，美国检察官办公室
杰弗里·米尔恩斯，法律助理，美国检察官办公室
罗伯特·斯托特，联邦调查局特工
鲁本·蒙蒂利亚，辩方律师助理
黄拓，普通话翻译
石峰，普通话翻译
唐玉马克，普通话翻译
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 3 / 145页 （审判继续；陪审团未到场） 法官说： 早上好。请各位律师介绍一下自己。 莫里律师说：早上好，法官大人。朱莉安娜·莫里，瑞安·芬克和贾斯汀·霍顿。我 们还将由代表政府的米卡·费根森加入。在律师席上有我们的法律助理杰夫·米恩斯。 卡马拉珠律师说：早上好，法官大人。西德哈达·卡马拉珠，斯科特·舒里克和克 莱尔·蒂尔登代表郭先生，郭先生也在我们的律师席上。 法官说： 请坐。你们解决了关于转录的问题吗？ 莫里律师说：还没有，法官大人。我们昨天审判结束后试图与辩护律师讨论。我 们还没有解决，但我们会在陪审团今天 9:30进来之前再与他们谈一次。 法官说： 我想澄清一些事情。我可能让你们误以为转录作为辅助工具不能带进陪 审团房间。事实并非如此。它可以作为辅助工具带进陪审团房间。只是通常我会裁定他们 依靠实际录音。不过，双方可以同意他们彼此都能依赖转录。 莫里律师说：是的，法官大人。我们将继续与辩护律师讨论。这种情况下，我们 达成了一个协议，我们理解双方同意将包括英文在内的转录完全作为证据提交。我们感谢 法官的澄清。我们当然希望转录在任何情况下都能回到陪审团房间，无论是作为证据还是 辅助工具，因为否则作为证据的中文翻译无法在没有上下文的情况下被理解。但我们会继 续与辩护律师讨论，然后再向法庭汇报这个问题。 法官说： 好的。还有什么其他事情吗？ 莫里律师说：关于日程安排，法官大人。我们已经与辩护律师讨论过了。如果法 庭和陪审团都同意，我们建议本周三到周五每天多坐 15 分钟，直到下午 3点。我们还在 讨论下周的日程变更，并希望明天早上向法庭提交一个联合提案。 法官说： 好的。还有别的事情吗？ 卡马拉珠律师说：没有，法官大人。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 4 / 145页 莫里律师说：没有，法官大人。 法官说： 谢谢。 （休庭） （陪审团未到场） 法官说： 请将陪审员带进来。 书记员说： 陪审团进场。 （陪审团到场） 法官说： 早上好，陪审员们。请坐。律师们，请上前。 （边栏会议讨论） 法官说： 我只是想问问你们哪一个星期三、星期四和星期五要多 15 分钟？ 莫里律师说：就是这周。 法官说： 我现在就问他们。 （回到公开法庭上） 法官说：陪审团成员们，我们有点落后了。我想问一下，明天、星期四和星期五 你们能否待到下午 3点。这可以吗？有人不能待到下午 3点吗？———————— 好 的，那我们就这么做。现在我们将继续对哈立德先生的直接询问。记住，���生，你还在宣 誓中。 海塔姆·哈立德，继续出庭。 直接询问继续 由检方律师莫里女士提问
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 5 / 145页 问：哈立德先生，提醒一下，请你把麦克风放在嘴前，这样陪审员们能听到你说话。 答：好的。 问：昨天我们谈到你录制的一些录音。你还记得吗？ 答：记得。 问：你昨天作证时说大约一亿美元在 2021 年三月和四月进入了 Crane的账户。当时你对 这种大量的电汇活动有什么反应吗？ 答：我很紧张，因为这么大的一笔钱进入我的账户，却没有明确的指示该怎么处理。 问：为什么你会对这笔钱感到紧张？ 答：这是一种很大的责任。超过一亿美元，不知道会发生什么情况，尤其是当时没有为 G-Clubs 或其他实体开设账户。 问：是否有过要求你将这笔钱从 Crane的账户转到另一个公司账户的情况？ 答：有。 问：是什么公司？ 答：喜马拉雅交易所。 问：据你所知，谁控制了喜马拉雅交易所？ 答：余建明。 问：你被要求转账的账户是以喜马拉雅交易所的名义开设的吗？ 答：有讨论为 Crane在喜马拉雅交易所开设一个账户，这是一个投资加密货币的基金。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 6 / 145页 问：你说的加密货币，指的是什么？ 法官说：等一下。你说有讨论为 Crane在喜马拉雅交易所开设一个账户，这是一 个基金，请解释一下这是什么意思？ 证人说：我被要求为 Crane在喜马拉雅交易所开设一个账户，当作一个投资基 金。 法官说：我不明白你的意思。也许你可以通过提问来澄清一下。 莫里律师说：好的，法官大人。 问：哈立德先生，我们谈的是大约一亿美元，这些钱在 2020 年三月和四月进入了 Crane 的账户，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你对这些资金的来源有什么了解吗？ 答：这是G-Clubs 会员和投资者的混合资金。 问：哪些投资者？ 答：有两个实体要进行投资。一个是科技公司的私募，另一个是喜美元。 问：我们先关注第一个，你提到的科技公司私募是什么？ 答：这是一个将在开曼群岛成立的科技公司，进行私募以建立一个科技平台。 问：你知道那家科技公司的名字吗？ 答：我不记得了。 问：谁控制了那家科技公司？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 7 / 145页 答：这不是控制，而是那家科技公司的创建是由王雁平和开曼的一位律师进行的。 问：你和谁讨论过这家科技公司？ 答：只是王雁平和律师。 问：所以那是你提到的第一类投资的钱。第二类是什么？ 答：是喜美元。 问：什么是喜美元？ 答：这是一种正在建立的加密货币。 问：谁告诉你的？ 答：王雁平。 问：所以你提到的将资金从 Crane 账户转移的请求，你和谁讨论过这个请求？ 答：余建明。 问：讨论的什么？ 答：为 Crane 开设一个账户投资喜美元。 问：明确一点，余建明要求 Crane用什么资金投资喜美元？ 答：Crane的资金。 问：你对将 Crane持有的资金转移到喜马拉雅交易所的请求有什么反应？ 答：我告诉他们我不能这样做，因为 Crane 不能在没有指示的情况下成为投资者。 问：你说的没有指示是什么意思？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 8 / 145页 答：如果不是那些将资金汇入 Crane的人给出的指示的话。 问：是否有过 Crane与 G-Clubs达成法律协议的情况？ 答：有。 问：是什么类型的协议？ 答：支付服务协议或托管协议。 问：你能描述一下这是什么意思吗？ 答：这意味着 Crane将代表 G-Clubs的会员接收资金，并进行合规检查、KYC 检查，然 后将资金转移给 G-Clubs。 问：洛夫特斯女士，如果可以，请展示作为政府证据 BR-1515的内容。 哈立德先生，你记得与 G-Clubs签订的支付服务协议的生效日期吗？ 答：生效日期是 2020 年 11 月。 问：你什么时候与 G-Clubs签订了支付服务协议？ 答：我想是 2021 年 5月。 施洛夫律师说：你说 2021 年 5月吗？ 证人说：是的。 问：为什么支付服务协议的生效日期要从签署日期回溯？ 答：为了涵盖进入 Crane的全部金额。直到那时，大家才同意如何正确地转移这些资 金。 问：你说的大家同意是谁？你指的是谁？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 9 / 145页 答：我指的是与郭文贵、郭强、公司内部律师 Ana、我的律师们进行了讨论。还与余建 明讨论过，以及一个叫长岛伟哥的先生。 问：看这个，这是否是你提到的 Crane与 G-Clubs 之间的支付服务协议？ 答：是的。 问：洛夫特斯女士，可以请您放大顶部部分吗？看第一行，哈立德先生，你能读一下这个 协议的生效日期吗？ 答：2020 年 11 月 23 日。 问：然后洛夫特斯女士，可以请您看一下这个签署日期吗？哈立德先生，你代表 Crane 在什么日期签署了这个协议？ 答：2021 年 5月 12 日。 问：Crane根据支付服务协议有权收取什么费用吗？ 答：两个百分点的费用。 问：两个百分点的什么？ 答：清算金额的百分之二——当时是一亿三千七百万。 问：你说的清算金额是什么意思？请为我们解释一下。 答：任何通过流程的付款，以及从发送方收到的 KYC或赔偿包，并附有资金去向的指 示，这些金额，这些转账被视为清算金额。每天根据我们收到的包裹数量，有一个总金额 会转给 G-Clubs。 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以把这个放下来了。所以，哈立德先生，一旦 Crane 清算了 资金，这些钱在 Crane的银行账户中会发生什么变化吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 10 / 145页 答：它们会转到 G-Clubs的摩根士丹利账户。 问：你怎么知道要将清算资金转到哪个账户？ 答：我被告知这是G-Clubs唯一的摩根士丹利账户。G-Clubs没有其他账户。这个账户 是通过我开的，所以这是我们拥有的账户，也在协议中，这也是 Ana给出的指示。 问：双方如何决定 Crane 为任何清算资金收取两个百分点的费用？ 答：与郭强讨论过，Crane需要在金融交易中获得报酬，并设置一个独立结构，确保 Crane 为 G-Clubs 所做的工作获得金钱补偿。对平均托管费用进行了研究，最终确定并 同意了两个百分点的费用。 问：你说的独立结构是什么意思？ 答：拥有一个独立的公司，而不是一个整体的公司，有独立的管理，确保合规工作得到正 确执行。 问：Crane与 G-Clubs签订支付服务协议时，你在哪个办公室工作？ 答：我还在 162, 64街的联排别墅。 问：Crane与 G-Clubs签订支付服务协议时，哪个实体支付你的工资？ 答：Lexington。 问：哪个实体正式雇用了你？ 答：Saraca。 问：2021 年 5月至 6 月期间，Crane 从其账户中清算了大约多少 G-Clubs 会员资金？ 答：大约 9700万左右。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 11 / 145页 问：Crane有权获得的清算资金的两个百分点费用大约是多少？ 答：大约两百万。 问：G-Clubs 是否有终止支付服务协议的时候？ 答：是的。 问：大约是什么时候？ 答：我想是 2021 年 6 月或 7月。 问：G-Clubs 提供了什么理由终止该协议吗？ 答：他们说我违反了合同，清算资金时间太长。 问：是谁说的？ 答：有几次电话会议上，有人抱怨资金需要立即转移，是郭文贵说的，还有长岛伟哥，一 些与我们在联排别墅工作的员工如 Ming。王雁平也参加了一些电话会议。 问：G-Clubs终止支付服务协议后，Crane 发生了什么？ 答：终止后，G-Clubs通过仲裁程序起诉了 Crane。 问：我们稍后会谈到仲裁。支付服务协议终止后，Crane持有的两个百分点服务费发生了 什么？ 答：我把它转到了我的个人账户。 问：为什么？ 答：我有权获得这笔钱。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 12 / 145页 问：大约是 270万美元吗？ 答：是的。 问：你将这笔钱转入个人账户后，做了什么？ 答：我购买了房产，投资房产。 问：你以谁的名义购买了这些房产？ 答：我妻子和我妻子拥有的实体名义。 问：你为什么以你妻子的名义或她拥有的实体名义购买这些房产？ 答：我想确保如果我遇到任何诉讼或其他问题，这些房产在我信任的其他人名下。 问：为什么？ 答：我担心自己可能会遇到问题。我有家庭，想保护他们，至少给他们提供经济保障。 问：根据你与政府的不起诉协议，你同意对这 270万美元做什么？ 答：我必须全部被没收。 问：这包括没收用这些资金购买的房产吗？ 答：是的，女士。 问：目前这些没收的状态如何？ 答：一处房产已经出售。一处在待售，其余的在出售中。 问：根据你的不起诉协议，你是否理解这是一个持续的义务，直到达到你被没收的 270 万美元？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 13 / 145页 答：是的，女士。 问：洛夫特斯女士，请我们调出政府证据 417。这是我们昨天听的录音，哈立德先生。我 想从 15 分钟开始——抱歉，洛夫特斯女士。实际上从 7分 20秒的时间点开始。这是转 录的第八页。洛夫特斯女士，我想我们停在了稍后的部分。我们从 9分 30秒开始播放， 谢谢。 （播放媒体） 问：哈立德先生，你能提醒我们这段对话中发生了什么吗？ 答：郭先生在试图找出被告知已转账但丢失的钱；这些丢失的钱在传输过程中卡在了 Medici的对应银行。 问：这段对话是你远程参与的几个人的会议，对吗？ 施洛夫律师说：反对，法官大人。这些我们昨天都讨论过了。 莫里律师说：法官大人，我只是想提醒陪审团我们昨天讨论到了哪里。 法官说：你提到一个电话，对吗？ 证人说：是的。 法官说：电话中都有谁？ 证人说：郭文贵，王雁平，Alex Hadjicharalambous，他是与我们一起在联排别 墅的员工，还有我。 法官说：这是电话会议还是视频会议？ 证人说：Alex和王雁平在联排别墅。我在家通过视频参与，郭先生也在电话中。 我不知道是不是视频会议，我看不到他。 法官说：18.2这个数字是你提到的丢失的钱吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 14 / 145页 证人说：是的，他想对总额 3200万进行对账，1820万是丢失的部分。 法官说：你可以继续了。 由检方律师莫里女士提问 问：那 1820万美元的来源是什么？ 施洛夫律师说：反对，昨天已经问过并回答了。 法官说：你可以回答。 答：这些钱是个人转给 G-Clubs的，但没有注明受益人，所以没有标明G-Clubs，也没 有任何参考，只是钱转给了 Medici。 莫里律师说：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以继续播放。 （播放媒体） 莫里律师说：我们可以暂停一下，洛夫特斯女士。 问：哈立德先生，你与郭文贵讨论了他认为丢失的 1800万美元之外的金额吗？ 答：我给他做了一个对账，说明G-Clubs在 Medici的资金总额是多少。 莫里律师说：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以调到 15 分 50秒，这在转录的第 13页。 （播放媒体） 莫里律师说：请暂停，洛夫特斯女士。 问：哈立德先生，你提到的 Limarie 是谁？ 答：她被雇为G-Clubs在波多黎各业务的 CEO。 问：你提到的未解决的问题指的是什么？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 15 / 145页 答：这些是类似客户服务案例的投诉。 问：谁的投诉？ 答：汇款的人。 问：汇了什么钱的人？ 答：1820万美元的，我们假设是根据 Medici转给 G-Clubs的 1820万美元。 问：你提到的 Orbit—— 施洛夫律师说：实际上，法官大人。我要求删除所有带有假设的内容。如果他知 道就说知道，如果不知道就说不知道。 法官说：是的。他不应该被要求做出假设。 莫里律师说：我们可以请重读一下哈立德先生最后的回答吗？ 施洛夫律师说：这是我反对的那个。 莫里律师说：我们可以重读直到被删除的部分。我理解你是在假设之后反对的。 （记录被重读） 问：哈立德先生，你说那与人们的投诉有关，那些人是谁？ 答：汇款的人。 问：汇款是为了什么目的？ 施洛夫律师说：反对。他刚才说他不知道。 法官说：如果你知道他们汇款的目的，你可以说明。 答：汇给 G-Clubs。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 16 / 145页 问：那些人为什么要汇款给 G-Clubs？ 施洛夫律师说：同样的反对。 法官说：如果你知道，你可以回答。 答：我不知道为什么。 问：你提到与投诉相关的 Orbit，Orbit是什么？ 答：Orbit是为G-Clubs 提供客户服务的公司。 莫里律师说：我们可以继续，洛夫特斯女士。 （播放媒体） 莫里律师说：请暂停，洛夫特斯女士。 问：哈立德先生，刚才王雁平提到的 CCP是指什么？ 答：中国共产党。 问：在 2021 年 4 月 28 日的这次会议或电话时，你的理解是银行问题是否与中国共产党 有关？ 答：在很多情况下，王雁平、公司内部律师和郭先生告诉我，CCP 在试图干扰任何G系 列公司的业务流。 问：王雁平、郭文贵和律师大约在什么时候告诉你的？ 答：自从我开始与王雁平和郭先生合作。 问：那是在 2020 年 8 月？ 施洛夫律师说：反对，引导性问题。这个问题已经问过并回答了。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 17 / 145页 法官说：反对无效。你可以回答。 答：是的。 问：当你开始在 Saraca工作时，你相信关于共产党的解释吗？ 答：我相信。 问：为什么？ 答：这是一个合理的理论，一个好故事。有很多关于中国与美国的新闻，所以当时看起来 很合理。 问：是否突然有天你不再相信共产党对G系列造成了银行业务方面的问题？ 问：是的。 问：大约是什么时候？ 答：2021 年四月、五月。 问：你的看法为什么发生变化？ 答：因为没有任何东西来帮助和支持 G-Clubs和其他实体之间正在进行的任务。 问：你这是什么意思？ 答：最初，G-Clubs 会员是为了帮助个人获取美国的服务和资源。到了四月、五月，G- Clubs的账户和 Crane的账户之间有很多钱，但没有任何承诺提供的服务到位。G-Clubs 仍然员工很少，几乎没有服务，所以我们在做的事情不再真实了。 莫里律师说：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以继续播放。 （播放媒体）
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 18 / 145页 莫里律师说：请暂停。 施洛夫律师说：法官大人，抱歉。录音中的英语部分需要为郭先生翻译。我很抱 歉。 法官说：当然。口译员需要翻译任何英语内容，包括录音中的内容。 口译员：当然。 施洛夫律师说：谢谢你，法官大人。 问：哈立德先生，在我们刚听到的录音部分，谁在给出关于 G-Clubs 应该做什么的指 示？ 答：郭文贵。 问：还有谁？ 答：还有王雁平。 莫里律师说：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以调到 19分 45秒开始播放。 （播放媒体） 莫里律师说：可以暂停一下，洛夫特斯女士。 问：哈立德先生，你知道在这段录音中提到的合同是什么吗？ 答：那是一份贷款协议，以便进行 2000万或 5000万美元的电汇。 问：你知道这份贷款协议的双方是谁吗？ 答：我想是 Fiesta。 问：那个实体的全名是什么？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 19 / 145页 答：我不记得全名了。Fiesta Properties，类似的名字。 莫里律师说：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以继续。 （播放媒体） 莫里律师说：可以暂停一下，洛夫特斯女士。 问：哈立德先生，在这些翻译成字幕的讨论中，有没有提到共产党的潜在关闭账户的问 题？ 答：没有。 莫里律师说：我们可以继续播放。 （播放媒体） 莫里律师说：可以暂停一下，洛夫特斯女士。 问：哈立德先生，你理解这些对话中提到的基金是什么？ 答：那是喜马拉雅基金。 问：如果有人的话，那是谁的基金？ 答：喜马拉雅基金是由余建明控制的。 莫里律师说：我们可以继续，洛夫特斯女士。 （播放媒体） 莫里律师说：暂停，洛夫特斯女士。 问：哈立德先生，你认得出在这次通话中被称为余的人的声音吗？ 答：那是余建明。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 20 / 145页 莫里律师说：谢谢你，洛夫特斯女士。你可以继续。 （播放媒体） 莫里律师说：我们可以暂停，洛夫特斯女士，如果可以请调到 26分 17 秒。这是 在转录的第 21页。 （播放媒体） 莫里律师说：请暂停。如果可以我们回到提到 Alex的部分。 （播放媒体）你可以暂停。 问：哈立德先生，你理解 Alex是指谁吗？ 答：Alex Hadjicharalambous。 问：你是否了解 Alex是否是G-Clubs的正式员工？ 答：他是G Fashion的员工，但在 G-Clubs工作。 问：Alex在 G-Clubs的职责和责任是什么？ 答：他的职称是财务主管，他负责会计工作，特别是会员 ID与进款的对账。 问：早些时候提到的何先生，你听到或看到了吗？ 答：是的。 问：你理解那是谁？ 答：G-Clubs及其母公司 Jovial的最终受益人。 问：他的全名是什么？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 21 / 145页 答：何浩然。 问：我们可以继续一会儿，洛夫特斯女士。 （播放媒体） 问：请暂停。 问：哈立德先生，在我们刚听到的那部分中，王雁平提到的与转账调查有关的可能是谁？ 答：对不起，你能再放一遍吗。 问：我们可以回放一下，洛夫特斯女士。 （播放媒体） 问：在这暂停。 答：监管机构在调查。 问：在对话的这一部分中，有提到中国共产党吗？ 答：没有，女士。 问：我们可以继续，洛夫特斯女士。 （播放媒体） 问：请稍等，洛夫图斯女士。请回到前面一点。哈立德先生，你能读一下刚才王雁平说的 部分中的第二句话吗？ 答：你觉得正常公司会这样做吗。 问：好的，我们可以继续。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 22 / 145页 （播放媒体） 问：可以暂停一下吗，洛夫特斯女士。哈立德先生，在这段关于 Crane 账户中一亿美元 的讨论中，有没有提到 G-Clubs 为其会员提供的服务？ 答：没有。 法官说：哈立德先生，你能提醒我一下余先生是谁吗？ 证人说：余建明。 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以继续。 （播放媒体） 问：哈立德先生，你是通过视频参加这次会议的，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：在我们刚刚听到的会议部分之后，发生了什么事情，如果有的话？ 答：王雁平把遥控器扔向了播放郭视频的电视。 问：你怎么知道的？ 答：我看到了也听到了破裂的声音。然后第二天我来到办公室时，看到电视屏幕裂了。 问：洛夫特斯女士，如果可以，请转到政府证据 404 和 404-T。 莫里律师说：法官大人，我可以拿一本带有转录本的物理文件夹给哈立德先生 吗？ 法官说：可以。 问：哈立德先生，404-T已经在屏幕上了。你也可以在文件夹中跟着看。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 23 / 145页 这段对话的日期是什么时候？ 答：2021 年 5月 4 日。 问：时间呢？ 答：6:13，抱歉，是 5:13。 问：下午 5:13？ 答：是的。 问：我们可以翻到下一页。洛夫特斯女士，如果可以开始播放——抱歉。请回到上一页。 这通电话的参与者是谁？ 答：我和余建明。 问：我们可以翻到下一页并开始播放录音。 （播放媒体） 问：可以暂停一下，洛夫特斯女士。哈立德先生，这个电话大约是在我们刚刚听到的电话 后一周，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：在这通电话中你和余建明讨论的资金，是否与之前通话中讨论的资金相同？ 答：不是。 问：有什么区别？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 24 / 145页 答：其他讨论的资金是指存放在 G-Clubs摩根士丹利账户中的资金，这些资金是通过G- Clubs 直接收集并停放在摩根士丹利账户中的。而这些资金是从 11 月到 4 月、5月期间 转入 Crane 账户的资金。 问：在你与余先生的这些讨论中，为什么采购订单号或会员编号与 Crane的工作相关， 如果相关的话？ 答：因为为了确认这笔钱实际上是给 G-Clubs的，需要有会员号和会员签署的协议。 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以继续播放。 （播放媒体） 问：可以暂停一下，洛夫特斯女士。哈立德先生，你对提到未来GTV的股份有什么理解 吗，如果有的话？ 答：他们会在 GTV中获得股份，比如私募的股票。 莫里律师说：好的。我们可以继续，洛夫特斯女士。 （播放媒体） 问：可以暂停，洛夫特斯女士。哈立德先生，在你刚才的对话中提到上周有不同的解释， 那么在我们现在听到的这个电话之前，你与谁讨论过这些资金吗，如果有的话？ 答：与王雁平、郭文贵和郭强。 由检方律师莫里女士提问： 问：在 2021 年 5月 4 日这通电话时，你对这些资金的理解是什么？ 答：我仍然很困惑。我当时不知道。 施洛夫律师说：对不起，我没听清。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 25 / 145页 证人说：我仍然很困惑。我当时不知道。 莫里律师说：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以看一下政府证据 405和 405-T 吗？ 问：哈立德先生，这也在你的文件夹中，如果你想找的话。这里是。这通电话的日期是什 么时候？ 答：2021 年 5月 4 日。 问：与我们刚听的电话日期相同？ 答：是的。 问：时间呢？ 答：5:42。 问：这通电话的参与者是谁？ 答：余建明，我自己，以及长岛伟哥。 莫里律师说：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以调到 6分 53秒，这是转录的第 10页。我 们可以开始播放音频，洛夫特斯女士。 （播放音频） 莫里律师说：对不起，洛夫特斯女士，是第 5页。 （重播音频） 莫里律师说：我们可以暂停一下吗，洛夫特斯女士。 由检方律师莫里女士提问 问：哈立德先生，长岛伟哥在 G-Clubs 中有担任什么角色吗，如果有的话？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 26 / 145页 答：没有角色。 问：那他为什么参与这些讨论？ 问：他为什么会参与关于 G Club 资金流动的这些讨论呢？如果有原因的话。 答：他是为了协助 Crane 从农场请求的支付服务包。 问：具体是哪个农场？ 答：没有具体说明是哪个。 问：是谁介绍长岛伟哥参与关于 Crane 账户中资金的讨论的，如果有的话？ 答：王雁平。 莫里律师说：好的。洛夫特斯女士，我们现在可以转到政府证据 406 和 406-T。 问：哈立德先生，这通录音电话的日期是什么时候？ 答：2021 年 5月 6 日。 问：时间呢？ 答：上午 9:43。 问：这是我们刚听到的电话两天后，对吗？ 答：是的，女士。 问：参与者是谁？ 答：郭文贵和我。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 27 / 145页 莫里律师说：好的。洛夫特斯女士，如果我们可以的话，请从 8:35 开始。这是记 录的第 8页，接近该页底部的位置。 （音频播放） 问：提到的 Ana 是谁？ 答：Ana 是 G-Club在波多黎各运营的内部律师。 莫里律师说：好的。我们可以继续，洛夫特斯女士。 （继续播放音频） 莫里律师说：可以暂停一下，洛夫特斯女士。 问：哈立德先生，当你说“它不断变化”时，你是什么意思？ 答：资金的用途不断变化。 莫里律师说：我们可以继续，洛夫特斯女士。 （继续播放音频） 莫里律师说：可以暂停一下，洛夫特斯女士。 问：哈立德先生，提到你收到 1300，是什么意思？ 答：1300笔电汇。 莫里律师说：好的。我们可以继续。 （继续播放音频） 莫里律师说：可以暂停一下，洛夫特斯女士。 问：哈立德先生，提到汉密尔顿核对其选项，这是什么意思？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 28 / 145页 答：所以汉密尔顿要从 Crane 接收资金，他们需要对 Crane 进行客户身份验证 （KYC），这就是核对选项的意思吗？ 问：关于我们所看到的这个基金的各种声明目的，汉密尔顿扮演了什么角色，如果有的 话？ 答：汉密尔顿是接收喜美元资金的实体。 莫里律师说：好的。我们可以继续，洛夫特斯女士。 （继续播放音频） 莫里律师说：可以暂停一下，洛夫特斯女士。 问：在郭强刚刚提到的那部分中，他是如何提到那些向 Crane 汇款的人的，如果有的 话？ 答：他说他们根本不在乎程序。 问：他是如何描述这些人的？ 答：投资者。 问：哈立德先生，谁管理汉密尔顿？ 答：余建明。 施洛夫律师说：反对。 法官说：反对无效。你可以继续。 问：谁管理汉密尔顿？ 答：余建明。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 29 / 145页 莫里律师说：我们可以继续，洛夫特斯女士。 （继续播放音频） 莫里律师说：可以暂停一下，洛夫特斯女士，跳到 12分 06秒。在下一页的中 间。 （播放音频） 莫里律师说：可以暂停一下，洛夫特斯女士。 由检方律师莫里女士提问 问：哈立德先生，你提到“坐牢”是什么意思？ 答：我可能会坐牢。 问：你为什么会担心因为这些资金转移而入狱呢？如果有原因的话。 答：因为有洗钱、欺诈等风险，而我的名字——我是 Crane唯一的名字，所有的转账请 求、电汇都是通过我进行的。 莫里律师说：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以看一下政府证据 408 和 408-T 吗？我们将 播放整个片段。从第 2页开始。 问：哈立德先生，看一下你面前的记录文件夹，这个 408号电话的参与者是谁？ 答：给我一秒钟。是郭强和我。 莫里律师说：好的。我们可以播放这个片段，洛夫特斯女士。 （播放音频） 莫里律师说：洛夫特斯女士，可以暂停一下。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 30 / 145页 问：哈立德先生，为了清楚起见，当你提到 50时，这个数额是多少？ 答：5000万美元。 莫里律师说：好的。让我们继续。 （继续播放音频） 问：哈立德先生，在我们迄今为止听到和看到的对话中，G-Club打算如何使用这笔资 金，如果有的话？ 施洛夫律师说：反对。 法官说：反对无效。 答：投资。 问：在我们听到的电话中，有没有讨论到将 G Club的资金用于为会员提供服务？如果有 的话，具体是什么讨论？ 答：没有。 莫里律师说：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以看一下政府证据 409 和 409-T 吗？ 问：哈立德先生，这通电话的日期仍然是 2021 年 5月 6 日。时间是几点？ 答：下午 1:14。 问：参与者是谁？ 答：郭文贵、我和余建明。 莫里律师说：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以从头开始播放吗？ （播放音频）
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 31 / 145页 莫里律师说：洛夫特斯女士，你可以跳到 4分 36秒，就在记录页面的稍微靠下 一点。 （播放音频） 莫里律师说：你可以暂停一下，洛夫特斯女士。 由检方律师莫里女士提问 问：哈立德先生，提到了 Gladis。你知道Gladis 是谁吗？ 答：Gladis 是郭文贵的助理。 莫里律师说：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以调到 6分 24秒吗？ 法官说：那是第几页？ 莫里律师说：在同一页，法官大人。只是跳过了一段关于哈立德先生狗的无关对 话。 （播放音频） 由检方律师莫里女士提问 问：哈立德先生，你看到提到联盟委员会了吗？ 答：看到了。 问：你知道那是什么吗？ 答：不知道。 莫里律师说：好的。我们继续。 （继续播放音频）
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 32 / 145页 莫里律师说：可以暂停一下，洛夫特斯女士。 问：哈立德先生，这里讨论的作为潜在投资与长岛伟哥公司的资金，当它们进入 Crane 的账户时，你对这些资金来源的理解是什么？ 答：这些资金的来源是个人、会员和投资者。 问：会员是指什么的会员？ 施洛夫律师说：反对。这个问题已经问过并回答了。 答：G-Clubs。 法官说：反对无效。 答：G-Clubs的会员。 问：投资者是投资什么的？ 答：投资 B-V-I的私募以及喜美元。 莫里律师说：好的。洛夫特斯女士，我们可以转到政府证据 411 和 411-T 吗？ 问：哈立德先生，再次看一下日期，同一天，2021 年 5月 6 日。这通电话的时间是什么 时候？ 答：下午 4:53。 问：参与者是谁？ 答：Ana Izquierdo，郭强，郭文贵，我自己，还有另外一个人。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 33 / 145页 莫里律师说：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以从 5:30开始播放，这应该是在转录的第 5 页底部，到第 6页。 （播放音频） 莫里律师说：洛夫特斯女士，你可以暂停。 问：哈立德先生，Ana Izquierdo如何描述那 5600万的评论？以“它是”开头。 答：“它只是。” “它只是。” 莫里律师说：好的。洛夫特斯女士，我们可以继续。 （继续播放音频） 莫里律师说：洛夫特斯女士，可以暂停。 问：哈立德先生，在郭文贵说的翻译部分，你看到提到瑞士银行账户了吗？ 答：看到了。 问：Crane有在瑞士的银行账户吗？ 答：没有。 问：你知道有任何G-Clubs的瑞士银行账户要求你从 Crane转账过去吗？ 答：不知道。 莫里律师说：好的。我们可以继续。 （继续播放音频） 莫里律师说：可以暂停。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 34 / 145页 问：哈立德先生，你刚才评论的开头部分，“所以，Crane里有 G-Clubs的 132”，首先， 132是什么意思？ 答：1亿 3200万。 问：你说的“Crane里有 G-Clubs”是什么意思？ 答：为G-Clubs持有。 问：所以在你的评论中，Crane 为 G-Clubs持有的金额是多少？ 答：是的，1亿 3200万。 莫里律师说：好的。我们继续。 （继续播放音频） 莫里律师说：可以暂停。 问：哈立德先生，你看到提到“人们买卡”了吗？ 答：看到了。 问：那指的是什么？ 答：会员卡。 问：什么的会员卡？ 答：G-Clubs的会员卡。 莫里律师说：好的。我们继续。 （继续播放音频）
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 35 / 145页 莫里律师说：可以暂停。我们可以跳到 17分 02秒。这是在转录的第 13页底 部。我们从 17分 02秒开始播放。 （播放音频） 莫里律师说：对不起，洛夫特斯女士。这是转录的第 13页。我们可以回到 17分 02秒吗？ （重播音频） 莫里律师说：可以暂停。 由检方律师莫里女士提问 问：哈立德先生，郭文贵提到 CCP时，你理解他为什么想把这笔钱转移到海外？ 答：因为 CCP会试图在美国阻止这笔钱。 问：在 2021 年 5月的这通电话时，你相信这一点吗？ 答：不相信。 莫里律师说：洛夫特斯女士，我们来看政府证据 412 和 412-T。 问：哈立德先生，同一天。这通电话的时间是几点？ 答：下午 5:25。 问：参与者是谁？ 答：郭文贵，Ana Izquierdo，郭强，Aaron Mitchell，我自己，还有 Victor Cerda。 问：在 2021 年 5月，Ana Izquierdo为哪个实体工作？ 答：G-Club波多黎各。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 36 / 145页 问：Aaron Mitchell 为哪个实体工作？ 答：没有具体说明，但在联排别墅里，为家族工作。 问：对不起，你能再说一遍吗？ 答：为家族，在联排别墅里。 问：为哪个家族？ 答：郭氏家族。 问：那时你为哪个实体工作？ 答：Saraca，根据我的合同。 问：Victor Cerda 为哪个实体工作？ 答：没有具体说明。 莫里律师说：好的。洛夫特斯女士，我们可以跳到 2分 22秒，这是在转录的第 3页底部。 （播放音频） 莫里律师说：可以暂停，洛夫特斯女士。 问：哈立德先生，你当时对郭文贵提到的这些退款的目的是什么理解？ 答：那是——你能再问一遍吗？ 问：当然。 莫里律师说：实际上，洛夫特斯女士，我们可以回到政府证据 411 和 411-T 吗？ 这是前一次电话。我们可以从 26分 21秒开始播放，这是在转录的第 20页。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 37 / 145页 （播放音频） 莫里律师说：我们可以滚动到以“所以，好的”开头的部分，郭文贵的评论。 由检方律师莫里女士提问 问：哈立德先生，在这段电话中，有没有提到会员要求退款的内容？ 答：我——我看不到你在哪部分。 问：在屏幕上的这一段，有提到退款。你看到了吗？ 答：看到了。“持有卡的战友的权力。” 问：在上面几行写着，“我们退还所有的卡。”你看到了吗？ 答：看到了。 问：关于这里讨论的退还卡片或退款，有没有提到是会员在请求退款？ 答：没有。 问：哪个实体在提议在退还卡片后回购所有的 G-Clubs卡？ 答：联盟委员会。 莫里律师说：好的。我们可以继续，洛夫特斯女士。 （继续播放音频） 莫里律师说：暂停，洛夫特斯女士。 问：哈立德先生，在那段关于可能关闭 G-Clubs的对话中——
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 38 / 145页 施洛夫律师说：反对，引导性问题，法官大人。没有待回答的问题。 莫里律师说：没问题，法官大人。 问：在那段对话中，哈立德先生，有没有关于提供给 G-Clubs 会员的服务的讨论？ 答：没有。 问：有没有关于关闭 G-Clubs波多黎各对会员福利的潜在影响的讨论？ 答：没有。 莫里律师说：好的，洛夫特斯女士，我们可以再回到政府证据 412 和 412-T。我 们将从 12分 09秒开始，这是在转录的第 10页顶部。实际上，首先，如果可以请放大顶 部部分，再提醒一下我们这通电话的参与者是谁。谢谢。我们现在可以看转录的第 10页 了。12分 09秒，谢谢。 （播放音频） 莫里律师说：好的。可以暂停，洛夫特斯女士。如果可以我们跳到 14分 49秒。 我想就是这里。我们继续。 （播放音频） 莫里律师说：可以暂停，洛夫特斯女士。 由检方律师莫里女士提问 问：哈立德先生，你为什么建议开设银行账户的人要告知银行预期的转账活动？ 答：因为这就是在摩根士丹利发生的事情。钱进来，然后出去，开设账户的整个对话是为 了将钱转到最终目的地，即汉密尔顿，所以他们只是从一个账户转到另一个账户，这只是 暂时放在那里一周左右然后再出去。所以我只是想告诉谁，Ana——当时是 Ana和 Aaron 在开设 B-V-I账户。我停止了与那些银行或任何银行的沟通。我只是想说明这一点。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 39 / 145页 问：回到我们刚才听的电话的早期部分，你理解郭强关于成为G-Clubs的结算人是说什 么？ 答：控制和真正的最终受益人。 问：在那次对话中，郭强确认了 G-Clubs的法律最终受益人，对吗？ 莫里律师说：请滚动，洛夫特斯女士。 答：是的，纸面上的最终受益人，即何先生。 莫里律师说：如果我们可以继续，洛夫特斯女士。法官大人，这段录音还有大约 一分钟，然后我认为我们可以休息一下，可以吗？ 法官说：好的，请继续。 莫里律师说：谢谢。 （播放音频） 莫里律师说：请暂停，洛夫特斯女士。 由检方律师莫里女士提问 问：哈立德先生，回到刚才你和郭强描述的将要开设的账户的预期用途或目的是什么？ 答：用作中转账户。 莫里律师说：好的，法官大人，如果可以，现在休息一下。 法官说：好的。 法官说：陪审团成员们，现在是 11:30，我们将休息半小时。记住你们不允许在 自己之间讨论这个案件。不要让任何人在你们面前讨论。不要听、读或观看任何与本次审 判有关的内容。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 40 / 145页 （陪审团不在场） 法官说：��生，您可以出去了。不要讨论您的证词。 （证人不在场） 法官说：在我们中午恢复之前，还有什么事情吗？ 莫里律师说：政府这边没有。 施洛夫律师说：法官大人，我实际上有一件事要提。证人被问到一个问题，关于 他和郭强如何描述账户的用途。在证人回答之前，页面 13 上的“中转”这两个字被突出显 示了，至少对我来说是这样。我本来会反对政府的提议，如果法庭没有回应的话，我会反 对突出显示。我现在看不到法庭了，所以我要提出反对，法官大人。在证人回答之前，突 出显示回答或者甚至直接指示证人关注某处是完全不合适的。如果政府想重新提问，那可 以。如果政府想大声说出页面号码，那也可以。但是突出显示某些内容而不在记录中反映 出来，这是我的反对理由。谢谢。 法官说：那是无意的吗？ 莫里律师说：是的，法官大人，这是无意的，理解了。我们可以再次提问而不突 出显示。我可以直接让哈立德先生看已经被作为证据的通话部分，然后问他“中转”的意 思。 施洛夫律师说：那可能是第十次问同样的问题。我只是要求政府不要再这样做 了。 莫里律师说：法官大人，我们尊重地不同意，但—— 法官说：我不同意。我不记得之前问过这个问题。那么，我们将在中午返回。 所有律师说：谢谢，法官大人。 （午餐休息）
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 41 / 145页
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 42 / 145页 2024 年 6 月 11 日 美国诉郭文贵先生案 庭审笔录 第 14 位证人证词 下午会议开始， 时间：中午 12:00 （陪审团不在场） 施洛夫律师说：法官大人，我能在记录上提一下吗？ 法官说：请讲。 施洛夫律师说：我在休息期间意识到莫里律师显然不可能突出显示它，所以我很 抱歉。我认为她不是故意的，所以我只是想指出这一点。我意识到突出显示不可能是这边 做的，所以很抱歉。 法官说：让陪审员进来。 书记员说：陪审团入场。 （陪审团在场） 法官说：请坐。记住，先生，你仍然在宣誓下。你可以继续你的询问。 莫里律师说：谢谢，法官大人。 由检方莫里律师继续提问： 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们能拉出政府证物 412-T 吗？我们将从我们停下的第 13 页继续。 哈立德先生，什么是过账账户？？ 答：那是一个资金进出后立即转移的实体或账户。除此之外没有其他活动。 问：有哪些原因，如果有的话，会使用一个账户作为过账账户？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 43 / 145页 施洛夫律师说：反对。 法官说：如果你知道，可以回答。 答：只是为了防止双方直接参与交易。 问：哈立德先生，你在谈论——实际上，洛夫特斯女士，我们能去到这份记录的第 12 页， 专注于你在屏幕上看到的部分，哈立德先生。你能读出郭强在这段通话中说了什么吗？ 答：但我并不积极参与，嗯，但我是最终受益人，但最终受益人是何先生。我只是结算人。 根据荷兰法律，我确实有某种发言权，但我并不实际行使。 问：哈立德先生，当你说何先生是纸面上的最终受益人时，你是什么意思？ 答：他只是出现在法律文件上，但没有实际管理或处理任何员工或产品。 问：在 2021 年 4 月至 5 月期间，关于 G-Clubss 资金的对话中，何先生是否参与了任何 这些对话？ 答：没有，他没有参与。 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们能查看政府证物 413-A 和 413A-T 吗？哈立德先生，这次通话的 日期是什么时候？ 答：2021 年 5月 12 日。 问：时间是几点？ 答：早上 7:58。 问：参与者是谁？ 答：郭强和我。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 44 / 145页 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们能播放政府证物 413A 吗？ （媒体播放） 问：我们能暂停一下吗，洛夫特斯女士。哈立德先生，B-V-I指的是什么？ 答：英属维尔京群岛。 问：你提议的关于 Crane B-V-I的是什么？ 答：我们创建一个类似于私募股权的结构给Crane，然后将资金从Crane转移到该实体， 再在媒体公司成立后将资金转移回去。当时公司还没有成立，所以他们正在着手创建公司， 资金将会被转移到那里。 问：为什么要将资金从 Crane 在美国的账户转移到以 Crane 名义持有的英属维尔京群岛 账户，如果有原因的话？ 答：为了满足他们的要求，把资金移出——郭文贵和郭强给出的理由是，资金需要离开美 国。因此，通过创建一个英属维尔京群岛的实体，资金将不再属于美国公司。 问：你认为郭文贵和郭强想要把资金移出美国的真正原因是什么？ 施洛夫律师说：反对。 法官说：反对有效。 问：哈立德先生，你早些时候在我们听到关于中共的通话时作证。你记得吗？ 答：记得。 问：在 2021 年 5月这些对话期间，你是否理解为什么郭文贵指示你把资金移出美国？ 施洛夫律师说：反对。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 45 / 145页 法官说：你可以回答。 答：是的，当时是为了投资喜美元。 问：当时你是否理解将资金移出美国的指示的原因？ 施洛夫律师说：相同反对意见。 法官说：你可以回答。 答：为了投资喜美元。 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以继续。 （媒体播放） 问：哈立德先生，关于转移 Crane 账户资金的讨论是什么时候？ 答：需要紧急处理，时间紧迫。 问：如果有的话，你与谁讨论过这些转移的紧迫性？ 答：所有人，郭文贵，郭强，长岛伟哥，王雁平。 问：哈立德先生，在我们听到的通话中，有关于 Mercantile的讨论，Mercantile 是什么？ 答：Mercantile 也是一家银行，一家在波多黎各注册的国际金融机构，作为一家银行，它 是 Medici 拥有账户的银行。 问：Medici在 Mercantile拥有哪种类型的账户？ 答：一个往来银行账户。 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们能看看政府证物 413A-T 的顶部吗？哈立德先生，这次通话的日 期是什么时候？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 46 / 145页 答：2021 年 5月 12 日。 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以把它拿下来，放上政府证物 GC-502。我们能往下看，并专 注于这部分吗？哈立德先生，这是什么类型的文件？ 答：这是封邮件。 问：从谁发给谁的？ 答：Alex Hadjicharalambous在 G-Clubs。 问：他把这封邮件发给谁？ 答：摩根士丹利的 Elizabeth Berstler。 问：这封邮件的日期是什么时候？ 答：2021 年 5月 11 日。 问：看邮件的正文，你能读出电汇的金额吗？ 答：1500万。 问：账户名是什么？ 答：Deltec Bank and Trust Limited。 问：看下一行，Deltec 相关地址的地理位置是哪里？ 答：巴哈马。 问：然后看参考备注，你能读出这一行的内容吗？ 答：100179601 汉密尔顿 Digital Assets Fund SP。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 47 / 145页 问：往下看两行，内部参考？ 答：贷款。 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们能往上看吗？再往上一行，专注于顶部邮件，哈立德先生，这封 邮件是什么时候发的？ 答：2021 年 5月 13 日。 问：从谁发给谁的？ 答：Alex Hadjicharalambous 发给 Limarie Reyes、Ana Izquierdo和我。 问：这封邮件的附件标题是什么？ 答：来自摩根士丹利 051321 的 1500万。 问：最后看邮件正文，第二句话，写的是什么？ 答：第一笔 1500万中的第一笔已经授权，将在今天 2021 年 5月 13 日发出。 问：谢谢，洛夫特斯女士。我们可以把它拿下来。哈立德先生，在您昨天和今天的证词中， 我们是否听了您在 2021 年 4 月和 5月录制的每一段录音？ A. 是的。 问：你在 2021 年那段时间录制的所有录音今天在法庭上我们都听过了吗？ 施洛夫律师说：反对。 法官说：反对无效。你可以继续。 答：没有。 施洛夫律师说：反对。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 48 / 145页 答：这是—— 法官说：你可以回答。 答：这是每个录音的一部分。 问：大约你记得在那段时间你录了多少次？ 答：我没有确切的数字。 问：你是否录了 2021 年 4 月和 5月你与这些人每次的对话？ 答：没有，不是每次对话。有些对话没有录音。 问：你是否向政府提供了你所持有的所有这些对话录音？ 答：是的。 问：如果有的话，谁选择了在你作证期间要听哪些录音？ 答：政府，你们。 问：如果有的话，谁选择了在你作证期间要听哪些部分的录音？ 答：你们选的。 问：如果有的话，谁准备了你录制并提供给政府的对话记录？ 答：你们。 问：哈立德先生，现在我要把你的注意力转到 2021 年 7月。G-Clubs 是否对 Crane 提出 了对抗性诉讼？ 答：是的。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 49 / 145页 问：那是什么类型的诉讼？ 答：仲裁。 问：那次仲裁的主题是什么？ 答：仍在 Crane 那里的钱。 问：什么钱？ 答：从 11 月开始进来的转账和尚未转给 G-Clubs的部分。 问：在仲裁中争议的资金大约有多少？ 答：我想总共大约是 5000万。 法官说：在你问下一个问题之前，你是如何录音的？ 证人说：通过我手机上的一个应用程序。 法官说：继续。 问：你是按谁的指示录音的吗？ 答：没有。 问：回到 2021 年的仲裁，哪一方提起了该诉讼？ 答：G-Clubs Operations Puerto Rico。 问：针对哪个实体或哪些实体？ 答：Crane Advisory Group, LLC。 问：那次仲裁的结果是什么？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 50 / 145页 答：有立即的禁令，并将资金转移给 G-Clubs的律师。 问：你能解释一下你所说的立即禁令是什么意思吗？ 答：所以资金被冻结了。 问：禁令是针对谁或哪个实体发布的？ 答：Crane Advisory Group。 问：禁令发布后，您对 Crane 账户中的资金做了什么，如果有的话？ 答：转移出去。 问：你把资金转移到哪里了？ 答：我把它转移给了 Aaron Mitchell律师事务所。 问：为什么你把资金转移到那个特定的律师事务所？ 答：因为G-Clubs没有其他账户开立。 问：如果有的话，谁提供了 Aaron Mitchell 账户的信息以接收这些资金？ 答：是通过律师进行的。 问：Crane 是否与 G-Clubss有其他对抗性诉讼？ 答：是的。 问：是什么类型的诉讼？ 答：类似的第二次仲裁，收回 Crane收到的费用。 问：对于第二次仲裁，仲裁的当事方是谁？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 51 / 145页 答：G-Clubs Operation, LLC 和 Crane Advisory Group。 问：谁提起了这次仲裁？ 答：G-Clubs。 问：在第二次仲裁期间，如果有的话，有什么法院程序或法律程序？ 答：它被驳回了。 问：在驳回之前，是否有任何与仲裁小组有关的正式程序？ 答：是的，有一个完整的听证会。 问：在那次听证会上，是否有人代表 G-Clubs 作证？如果有，谁作证了？ 答：Ana、Limarie和一位法务会计师。 问：你参加了那个听证会吗？ 答：是的。 问：你听到 Ana Izquierdo对小组的证词了吗？ 答：是的。 问：你听到 Limarie 对小组的证词了吗？ 答：是的。 施洛夫律师说：法官大人，我们可以上前吗？ 法官说：好的。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 52 / 145页 （边栏会议讨论，仅法官和双方律师在场） 施洛夫律师说：法官大人，我只是想向法庭提请注意有关哈立德先生参与的问题。 我假设政府知道他援引了第五修正案，所以我不确定他们所说的“参与”是什么意思。但是， 如果政府要询问他关于 Ana 或 Limarie在仲裁期间是否撒谎的意见，我请求法庭不允许这 些问题。这些问题是否恰当与他是否相信她们说了实话无关。 法官说：我想了解第二次仲裁发生了什么。 施洛夫律师说：第二次仲裁是关于退还费用的。有一次全面的听证会，三个人作 证了。律师作证了，Ana Izquierdo多作证了。哈立德先生的 3500材料表明他被问及他的 意见，她撒谎了，并且他反复暗示她撒谎了。Limarie Reyes 也作证了，我认为他们试图 引出他的意见，她在仲裁中撒谎了。 法官说：他们撒了什么谎？ 卡马拉珠律师说：我猜他们会说我认为这是关于王女士在 G-Clubs 的角色，至少 这是我从 Molinaris 女士的 3500材料中得知的理解。 法官说：他们关于王女士说了什么？ 卡马拉珠律师说：Molinaris 女士作证说，实际上王女士与 G-Clubs有联系，并承 认有某种控制权的所有者。我确信政府会详细说明这一点。所以在 Molinaris 女士的 3500 材料中，似乎清楚地表明他们认为这是对王女士角色的错误描述。我认为对于这位证人来 说，根据《规则 608(b)》，您不能询问证人关于不诚实的具体实例，以通过外部证据质 疑另一位证人的可信度，而这正是此问题的所在。 法官说：是的。继续。 莫里律师说：法官大人，有几件事。关于哈立德先生对 Ana Izquierdo和 Limarie Reyes 在仲裁期间作虚假证词的印象，这不仅仅涉及王女士的角色。他的观点是，在 G- Clubs的资金转移之后，尤其是在 Ana Izquierdo离开 G-Clubs 之后，他不相信她们在作 证时所说的关于G-Clubs提供的服务以及她们声称提供给会员的福利是真实的。他从与她 们的对话中得到的印象，包括在我们听到的这些电话期间，是她们很清楚并不存在那些福
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 53 / 145页 利和服务。此外，他还会作证说，他认为她们在仲裁小组面前撒谎，声称 Crane 是一家 完全独立的公司，与G-Clubs没有任何关系。她们试图将其描述为一个独立的顾问公司， 尽管她们明知 Crane与 G-Clubs公司有着千丝万缕的联系。 法官说：你如何让他在仲裁中质疑那些证人的可信度？ 莫里律师说：这不是质疑那些特定个人的可信度。这只是引入在 Rico企业背景下 由郭的代理人所做的陈述，这些代理人在企业内不同实体中运作。 法官说：继续。 卡马拉珠律师说：首先，我认为他对他人陈述的真伪的看法，特别是对非郭先生 的陈述的看法，是无关紧要的。我认为这与法官大人之前的裁决是一致的。其次，这正是 规则608所讨论的内容。它询问的是未涉及刑事定罪的其他不诚实行为的具体实例，所以 我不认为这超出了 608(b)的范围。 法官说：他们的理论是，Izquierdo女士和另一个人都是郭的代理人。 卡马拉珠律师说：没错，但我认为他们仍然需要证明这一点。我认为他们没有证 明。我们没有听到 Molinaris 女士的证词或关于她角色的证词，除了她是 G-Clubs 的首席 执行官。他们没有把这两件事联系起来。但无论如何，代理问题可以克服传闻证据问题， 却不能克服 608(b)问题。坦白说，他们将会传唤 Molinaris 女士。Molinaris 女士可以就他 们认为她作出的任何虚假陈述作证。我不知道为什么这位证人的信念，即那些陈述的真伪， 与任何问题有何相关。 施洛夫律师说：这只是间接地加强了 Reyes 女士的证词。Reyes 女士会作证。他 们试图让 Izquierdo女士改变立场，但她没有改变，所以她不作证。 莫里律师说：我们拒绝这种说法。所讨论的仲裁是第二次仲裁，涉及释放欺诈所 得。Crane 持有的欺诈所得，并且为了将这些欺诈所得释放给 G-Clubs，从而努力将其重 新纳入 Rico企业中。一旦哈立德先生与 Rico企业分离，这两个人就对仲裁小组撒了谎。 法官说：你有权威依据吗？ 莫里律师说：关于具体证词吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 54 / 145页 法官说：关于这段证词的可采性。 芬克律师说：法官大人，我认为这只是任何其他共谋者陈述的一部分，非常符合 这一点。他的看法是基于他当时的个人观察。他并不是在质疑她们具体证词的可信度。我 认为这才是 608(b)真正涉及的问题。当然，我可能错了，我不确定。 法官说：为什么这不是质疑可信度？ 芬克律师说：这与李娅作证时的情况相同，她收到郭的刑事律师张勇兵的宣誓书 时，强调这是刑事案件的宣誓书，是虚假的，因为她有与宣誓书内容相矛盾的经历。哈立 德先生也是一样，他有与所陈述的内容相矛盾的经历。我认为让陪审团理解这一点很重要， 特别是考虑到交叉询问的方向，为什么仲裁决定会如此，因为 G-Clubs 在推动 Rico 企业 的过程中歪曲了事实。G-Clubs 是 Rico 企业的一部分。法官大人，我认为，哈立德先生 当然可以——我认为对此不会有异议——提出他观察到的 Limarie和 Izquierdo女士在 G- Clubs 试图获取资金过程中所做的陈述。这些显然是代理人的陈述。那么问题就变成了他 是否可以对这些陈述的真伪发表看法或理解。任何共谋者都可以这样做，因为他有共谋的 经验，这符合标准 701 的标准。 卡马拉珠律师说：对不起，并非如此。 芬克律师说：这是的，而且这与审判的进行方式一致。 法官说：我不知道答案是什么，我会让我的书记员查一下。我们需要跳到另一个 主题。 芬克律师说：我只是想确保一切都清楚。我假设政府可以询问——我不想违反法 庭刚才所说的——他对 Izquierdo和 Reyes 女士陈述的观察。 法官说：我现在想跳过整个主题。 莫里律师说：这是该证人直接询问的尾声。我想请问，如果我们研究这个问题并 确实出现了这种情况，我们是否可以在重新询问时询问相关内容？ 法官说：当然，绝对可以。即使我没有得出答案，你也可以再传唤他。好的。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 55 / 145页 （回到公开法庭） 法官说：你可以继续。 由检方莫里律师继续提问： 问：哈立德先生，聚焦于第二次仲裁，你提到有一个听证会，你在那次听证会上作证了吗？ 答：是的，我作证了。 问：你在听证会上被问到问题了吗？ 答：是的。 问：你如何回应那些问题？如果有的话。 答：我援引了第五修正案。 问：对不起，我没听清？ 答：我援引了第五修正案。 问：简单回答，Ana Izquierdo在听证会上作证了吗？ 答：是的。 问：Limarie Reyes在听证会上作证了吗？ 答：是的。 问：关于第二次仲裁，涉及的费用有何结果，如果有的话？ 答：被驳回了。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 56 / 145页 问：与第二次仲裁相关的那笔钱发生了什么事情，如果有的话？ 答：你能详细说说吗？ 问：第二次仲裁后，那些钱怎么样了？ 答：我认为它留在了我购买的资产中，但随后通过不起诉协议被没收了。 问：那是我们之前讨论的 270万美元吗？ 答：是的。 问：关于第一次仲裁，Crane被指示转入 Aaron Mitchell银行账户的总金额大约是多少？ 答：我认为大约是 5000万。 问：你知道这些钱在从 Crane转移到 Aaron Mitchell的律师事务所账户后发生了什么吗？ 答：不知道。 莫里律师说：法官大人，我可以稍等一下吗？没有进一步的问题了。 法官说：交叉询问。 由辩方施洛夫律师进行交叉询问： 问：哈立德先生，你在 2014 年 10 月 14 日开始在花旗银行工作，对吗？ 答：我不记得确切日期，但确实是 2014 年 10 月。 问：我的听力有点问题，所以我非常感谢—— 答：我不知道确切的日期，但确实是 2014 年 10 月。 问：你在直接询问中作证说你在花旗银行工作了大约四年，对吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 57 / 145页 答：是的。 问：你在 2020 年 10 月 30 日停止在那里的工作，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你在 2020 年 7月 6 日从金泉公司获得了一份工作邀请，对吗？ 答：不，是来自 Saraca。 问：你说你收到了来自 Saraca的工作邀请，这是你的证词吗？ 答：是的。 问：那也是在 2020 年 7月 6 日，对吗？ 答：我相信是。 问：你需要什么来帮助你回忆吗？ 答：好的。 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。他并没有表示他不记得。 法官说：反对有效。 问：你记得那是什么日期吗？ 答：我不记得确切的日期。 问：你不记得确切的日期。 法官说：他说他不记得日期，所以，是的，你可以尝试让他回忆。 施洛夫律师说：谢谢，法官大人。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 58 / 145页 问：请把它放大一些。那么右上角的部分是否有助于唤起您的记忆？ 答：是的。 问：你在 2020 年 7月 6 日得到了工作邀请，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：根据——你知道吗，你记得你开始工作的日期吗？ 答：这里写着待定。 问：对。我的问题是，你记得你自己的入职日期吗？ 答：8 月 1 日。 问：你在 2020 年 10 月 19 日通知花旗银行你要离职，对吗？ 答：10 月，我不记得确切的日期。 问：你在花旗银行的最后一天是什么时候，你记得吗？ 答：不，我不记得确切的日期，只记得是 10 月。我不知道。 问：你记得是 2020 年 10 月 30 日吗？ 答：不，大约是 10 月初，也许是 10 月 1 日。 问：今天坐在这里，你的证词是你不记得是 10 月 1 日还是 10 月 30 日？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。已经问过并回答过了。 法官说：反对有效。 问：当你在花旗银行开始工作时，你经过了入职培训，对吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 59 / 145页 答：是的。 问：入职培训的一部分是花旗银行对你进行培训，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：他们对你进行了有关你在花旗银行工作期间可能遇到的问题的内部培训，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：他们教你如何为花旗银行开设银行账户，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：他们给了你一本培训手册，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：他们给了你一套规则，并要求你阅读，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：他们要求你阅读这些规则，然后确认你已经阅读了这些规则，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：他们要求你签署一份文件，确认你已经阅读并了解这些规则，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你做了，对吗，先生？ 答：我做了。 问：花旗银行给了你一份行为守则阅读，对吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 60 / 145页 答：是的。 问：你读了那份行为守则，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：他们要求你确认那份行为守则，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你同意遵守花旗银行的行为守则，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你同意并确认遵守花旗银行对其员工施加的所有规则，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：花旗银行还给了你一份员工手册，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：那份员工手册明确说明你在花旗银行工作期间不能接受外部工作，对吗？ 答：我不记得确切的措辞。 问：基本意思是不是我所说的那样：当你作为花旗银行的员工领取薪水时，你不能为其他 人工作？ 答：需要适当的事先批准。 问：我没有问你那个问题。我的问题是，你是否知道花旗银行不允许你在受雇于花旗银行 期间为其他人工作？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 61 / 145页 答：是的。 问：你知道如果在受雇于花旗银行期间为另一实体工作，你可能会造成利益冲突，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你可能会危及银行，对吗？ 答：你能解释一下吗？ 问：如果你与银行的客户做生意，你可能会危及银行的保险政策，对吗？ 答：我不知道。 问：你可能会危及你秘密为之工作的另一实体的福利，同时在花旗银行工作，对吗？ 答：我也不知道。 问：花旗银行有合规部门，对吗？ 答：有。 问：这会给他们带来合规问题，对吗？ 答：可能会。 问：在你接受了 Saraca 的工作并开始在 Saraca 工作之后，你继续在花旗银行工作时， 你知道这一切，对吗？ 答：我知道我不能获得那份工作，不。 问：但你还是这样做了，对吗？ 答：是的。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 62 / 145页 问：现在，让我给你看标记为辩方证物 60524 的文件。你认得这个文件吗，先生，如果 你需要我们帮助你滚动浏览，请随时告诉我们。 莫里律师说：法官大人，我要指出这不在陪审团面前。该文件上有未编辑的个人 身份信息。因此我们要求在展示给陪审团或公众之前先进行编辑。 施洛夫律师说：我不打算发布任何包含个人信息的内容。 法官说：好。 问：你认得这个文件吗，先生？ 答：认得。 问：你能告诉我们这是什么吗？ 答：花旗银行的就业申��。 问：这是谁的就业申请？ 答：是我的。 施洛夫律师说：法官大人，最恭敬地请求将 DX-60524作为证据接纳。 莫里律师说：法官大人，我刚才提出的异议依然有效。 法官说：她刚才说她目前不寻求发布它。 施洛夫律师说：我不寻求发布任何会披露此类信息的页面。如果我能看一下证物 的第 12页。 莫里律师说：简短地说，法官大人。我们明白它会被接纳。我们只是要求接纳版 本的证据进行编辑，使证据版本是编辑后的。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 63 / 145页 施洛夫律师说：当然。没问题。我能看一下文件的第 12页吗，如果能让证人阅读 更方便些。法官大人，我假设法庭已经批准我将其接纳为证据。 法官说：已接纳。 （辩方证物DX-60524 被接纳为证据） 施洛夫律师继续问： 问：你能读一下第 A部分的内容吗？你看到标题是监管信息，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你回答了每一个问题，对吗，从 A 到 G，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：现在，你能看一下第一个问题吗。你看到问题是任何国内或外国法院。你看到这个问 题了吗？ 答：是的。 问：在这个问题下面有子标题，对吗？ 答：有的，什么？ 问：在这个问题下面有子问题，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你看一下 F，你看到 F 了吗？ 答：是的。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 64 / 145页 问：那个问题是，你是否曾经被或曾有人在与任何金融服务相关的活动中对你进行禁令、 发出命令或采取其他行动，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你回答的是“没有”，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：先生，可以这么说吗，当时或者之前你拥有一家公司叫做 Auto Box，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：事实上，你在 Auto Box上违约了一笔商业贷款，对吗？ 答：对。 问：Auto Box 起诉过你，对吗？ 答：没有。 问：对不起。是客户起诉过你，对吗？ 答：没有。 问：客户在 2013 年 11 月 21 日没有起诉过你吗？ 答：客户？ 问：对。 答：我不记得。 问：那贷款方起诉过你吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 65 / 145页 答：是的。 问：加州的一家法院对你作出了判决，对吗？ 答：对。 问：判决是在 2014 年 4 月 22 日作出的，对吗？ 答：我不知道确切的日期。 问：你没有在这份花旗银行的申请表上注明这一点，对吗？ 答：对。 问：现在我们看一下第 10段，可以吗？你看到那段了吗？ 答：看到了。 问：那是确认部分，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：在确认部分有一些编号。你看到提到“就业和行为守则”的那段了吗？ 答：你能放大一点吗。 问：当然。我们可以试着为你突出显示。在“我明白”上面，对吗？ 答：嗯哼。 问：花旗银行告诉你它将做的所有事情，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：然后它要求你向花旗银行陈述某些事情，对吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 66 / 145页 答：对。 问：你在向花旗银行陈述的第一件事是——因为你必须确认——你在法律上可以自由地与 花旗银行建立雇佣关系，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：这对你来说是什么意思，先生？ 答：我不知道它的法律术语。 问：我听不见你说什么。 答：我不知道“法律上自由”这个术语的意思。 问：你告诉我。你确认了它。所以你理解它让你做什么或成为怎样的人？ 答：我可以成为花旗银行的员工。 问：你可以做什么？ 答：我可以自由地成为花旗银行的员工。 问：但你在陈述这一点，对吗？它写着“我陈述”。 答：好的。 问：所以你在告诉花旗银行你可以自由成为他们的员工，对吗？ 答：对。 问：第二点告诉你什么？你没有对任何其他人或实体有任何义务会影响或与花旗银行的雇 佣产生冲突，对吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 67 / 145页 答：是的。 问：然后如果我能直接跳到“我进一步陈述”。你能为陪审员读一下吗？ 答：我进一步陈述，如果我被雇佣，我将向花旗银行披露任何当前或未来的外部商业利益， 以确定是否符合监管标准和花旗银行的政策。 问：继续。 答：我明白某些关联或活动可能在这些标准和/或政策下是不允许的。你要我继续吗？ 问：不用了。可以了。你没有履行这两项义务，对吗？ 答：没有。 问：你可以把它拿下来了。你辞职离开花旗银行了，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：当你辞职离开花旗银行时，花旗银行终止了你的雇佣，等待调查，对吗？ 答：我不知道。 问：你在直接询问中作证说——我收回这句话。让我转到另一个话题。我现在要和你谈谈 王女士。你在作证时详细提到了她，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你作证说你是通过一家律师事务所认识王女士的，对吗？ 答：对。 问：是哪家律师事务所？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 68 / 145页 答：Rutkin Ross, LLC。 问：那家律师事务所的谁介绍你认识王女士的？ 答：Valerie Stevens, Hutchinson & Ross。就是这个。 问：通过那次介绍，你和王女士谈到了为金泉开设银行账户，对吗？这是你的证词吗，先 生？ 答：是的。 问：当你问王女士关于金泉的情况时，她告诉你这是一个家族基金，对吗？ 答：家族办公室。 问：她告诉你金泉是一个家族办公室？ 答：是的。 问：她告诉你那个办公室由什么组成，对吗？ 答：你能详细说说吗。 问：她告诉你金泉是什么，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：她描述了公司的全部情况，对吗？ 答：她描述了，是的。 问：你们之间有过对话，对吗？ 答：对。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 69 / 145页 问：那时你是花旗银行的员工，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你想和她建立关系，对吗？ 答：不是建立关系。 问：你不想和潜在客户建立关系吗？ 答：我问她公司是做什么的。这是开户的一部分。 问：那是一次友好的对话，对吗？你想和客户建立关系，对吗？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人，已经问过并回答了。 法官说：反对有效。 问：你想培养一种商业关系，对吗？ 答：对。 问：王女士回答了你的问题，对吗？ 答：她回答了。 问：她从未告诉你某个问题不该回答，对吗？ 答：没有，我不这么认为，没有。 问：在你们的初次对话后，你继续与王女士交流，对吗？ 答：你能具体一点吗？ 问：当然。你有后续问题要问她，对吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 70 / 145页 答：你能具体一点吗？ 问：不能。 法官说：是否有与她的持续讨论？ 证人说：关于账户的，是的。 问：她给了你她的电话号码，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：她给了你她的座机和手机号码，对吗？ 答：我不认为有座机。 问：她给了你一个电子邮件地址吗？ 答：是的。 问：她有一个 Proton的电子邮件地址。你记得吗？ 答：记得。 问：花旗银行没有禁止人们使用 Proton 电子邮件地址的规定，对吗？ 答：我不认为有，没有。 问：你用 iPhone给王女士发信息，对吗？ 答：可能有。 问：你发信息问她问题？她发信息回复你，对吗？ 答：可能，是的。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 71 / 145页 问：你向王女士索要文件，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你需要信息来开设账户，对吗？ 答：对。 问：她发给你文件。你复印了这些文件并发给了后台，对吗？ 莫里律师说：反对，复合问题。 施洛夫律师说：法官大人，我可以分开问。 问：你向王女士索要文件，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你向王女士索要信息，对吗？ 答：是的，我问了。 问：你索要的信息之一是 EIN号码，对吗？ 答：开户的一部分是 EIN号码。我不知道我是否直接问她，还是她提供的文件中有它。 问：你能告诉陪审团 EIN号码是什么吗？ 答：雇员识别号码。 问：你问过她金泉的公司章程吗？ 答：是的。 问：她提供给你了，对吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 72 / 145页 答：是的。 问：你问她要运营协议，对吗？ 答：对。 问：她提供了那个文件给你，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你问她要身份证明，对吗？ 答：对。 问：她提供了身份证明给你，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：花旗银行有一个会计部门，对吗？ 答：什么？ 问：会计部门。 答：我确定有的，是的。 问：还有一个合规部门，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你把所有这些信息发给了相关部门，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：等待这些部门的验证结果，然后再反馈给你，对吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 73 / 145页 答：你能具体一点吗？ 问：你必须等待这些部门批准申请，对吗？ 答：我不确定是否有这样的政策需要批准。 问：那么，在收到所有信息后，你批准了申请，对吗？ 答：没有那样的批准过程。 问：那么银行账户是如何开设的，除非它已经被批准了？ 答：我们先开设账户，然后文件由合规部门审核，他们给我们批准。 问：你得到了完全批准，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：在你得到完全批准后，账户完全开设，对吗？ 答：对。 问：王女士告诉你将有一笔初始存款，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：事实上，她告诉你存款将是一百万美元，但实际是大约六十万美元，对吗？ 答：我不知道确切的金额。 问：你在与莫里律师 19次会面时，审阅的文件中没有一份是这个金额，对吗？ 答：不记得了，没有。 问：当你为王女士或金泉开设账户时，你确保符合花旗银行的政策，对吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 74 / 145页 答：对。 问：你为她开设了不止一个账户，对吗？ 答：对。 问：这绝不是花旗银行政策规定的义务，对吗？ 答：那是什么？ 问：那不违反花旗银行的政策，对吗？ 答：不。 问：实际上，花旗银行鼓励你为商业实体开设多个账户，对吗？ 答：对。 问：金泉的每个账户至少有两个签字人，对吗？ 答：我不记得确切的签字人数。 问：你记得王女士是签字人吗？ 答：记得。 问：你记得 Melissa Menendez是签字人吗？ 答：记得。 问：今天坐在这里，你知道 Menendez女士在金泉的工作是什么吗？ 答：她是会计，也是办公室经理。 问：今天坐在这里，你知道她是否还在金泉工作吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 75 / 145页 答：不知道。 问：作为花旗银行的银行家，你对账户有一定的查看权限和透明度，对吗？ 答：我有他们给我的信息。 问：你可以查看银行账户中的交易情况，对吗？ 答：好的，是的，对。 问：那是因为你在花旗银行工作，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你看到金泉账户收到了来自金泉香港的资金，对吗？ 答：可能是。 莫里律师说：反对，传闻。 法官说：如果你有直接的了解，可以回答问题。 答：我不记得所有进入的交易。 施洛夫律师说：那让我给你看 DX-10339，仅供证人查看。这是根据花旗银行的 协议。法官大人，根据协议，我请求将 DX-10339接纳为证据。 法官说：没有异议吗？ 莫里律师说：没有异议，法官大人。谢谢。我们只是在确认。 法官说：接纳为证据。 （辩方证物DX-10339接纳为证据） 施洛夫律师说：如果我可以向陪审团展示。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 76 / 145页 法官说：可以。 问：哈立德先生，请告诉我们这是什么文件？ 答：这是银行对账单。 问：是哪家银行的？ 答：花旗银行。 问：哪个账户的？ 答：金泉纽约有限公司。 问：什么时间段的？ 答：3 月 30 日至 4 月 25日。 问：请看 PDF 的第三页。你能看一下这三笔交易吗？ 答：可以。 问：这是资金进入账户吗？ 答：是的。 问：来自谁的？ 答：ACA Capital Group Limited。 问：日期是什么时候？ 答：5月 2 日。 问：每笔存款的金额是多少？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 77 / 145页 答：100,000。 问：所以总共是 30万美元，对吗？ 答：对。 问：请看 PDF 的第 51页，编号 58122，能看一下 2019 年 2 月 12 日的电汇吗？你能告 诉我们那是什么交易吗，先生？ 答：那是借记交易。 问：什么是借记交易？ 答：资金流出。 问：资金从哪个账户流出？ 答：金泉。 问：资金流向哪里？ 答：法治基金。 问：法治基金是什么，先生？ 答：你是问现在的我吗？ 问：不，先生。我在问你。 答：那时候？ 问：那时候。 答：那时候我不知道。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 78 / 145页 问：对不起。 答：那时候我不知道。 问：你不知道？ 答：在 2019 年 2 月 12 日，我不知道。 问：之后你是否对法治基金有了更进一步的了解，哈立德先生？ 答：这是不同的银行对账单。 问：我不是在问你关于银行对账单的问题，先生。我只是问你关于法治基金的事。 答：好的。你的问题是什么？ 问：我的问题是，你对法治基金的理解是什么？ 答：它是一个非营利基金会。 问：谢谢。如果我可以看第 52 页。如果可以的话，关注 2 月 15 日。你能向陪审团解释 一下那是什么交易吗？ 答：那是 ACH借记。 问：什么是 ACH借记？ 答：是 ACH，资金流出。 问：它下面写的是什么？ 答：ADP 工资支付。 问：作为银行职员，这会告诉你什么？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 79 / 145页 答：工资支付。 问：这会告诉你这个银行账户在支付工资，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你看到那里有一笔来自 IMMA 的 50万美元存款吗？ 答：看到了。 问：IMMA是什么，先生？ 答：一个货币市场账户。 问：货币市场账户向金泉注入了 50万美元，对吗？我理解正确吗？ 答：你能重复一下问题吗？ 问：好的，我让你看得更清楚一些。你告诉我这显示了什么？ 答：这显示的是转账，从 IMMA来的贷记转账。 问：所以这是资金进入账户？ 答：对。 问：金额是 50万美元？ 答：是的。 问：现在，我们来看第 122 页，1 月 31 日的一笔交易，金额是 24,236.41 美元。有人领 工资？ 答：是的。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 80 / 145页 问：ADP 工资支付，对吗？ 答：对。 问：第 123页，有一笔 10,000 美元的支付，对吗？ 答：对。 问：支付给了一家律师事务所，对吗？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。 问：这笔支付是支付给谁的？ 莫里律师说：基于法庭之前的裁决反对。 法官说：请到边栏来。 （边栏会议讨论，仅法官和双方律师在场） 法官说：在我的裁决中，我说你不能提到律师。 施洛夫律师说：这是 2018 年的事。这里没有律师建议的辩护。我会继续，但这 不是我的理解。我只是想展示资金的流入和流出。我可以继续，但这里没有任何依赖这个 律师事务所的内容。 莫里律师说：法官大人，有几点。一，我要指出这份文件的表面并未表明 Wachtel Missry是一家律师事务所。施洛夫律师作证时说了这一点并展示给陪审团。其次， 法官大人是对的。我们认为这完全符合几天前澄清的先前裁决，我们在类似问题上遇到过， 辩方在我们提交适当论据前就提到了律师事务所的存在。我还要提交，2018 年在被指控 的阴谋范围内。 施洛夫律师说：对。但 2018 年没有律师建议的问题。其次，律师的提问，这只 是基本的刑法。律师的提问不是证据。唯一的证据是回答。而回答是，他不知道。所以我 的问题没有任何作用，因为这不是证据。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 81 / 145页 法官说：你在提到与律师的关系。 施洛夫律师说：不，我在展示从账户支付的账单，包括支付给律师。这不是提到 它。这只是支付的账单。 法官说：这正是你在做的。卡马拉珠律师，你有话要说吗？ 卡马拉珠律师说：我相信将有一位名叫 Daniel Podhaskie的证人将会在某个时候 作证。根据他的 3500 材料和之前 SEC 的证词，我的理解是，他作证说金泉的许多账单 是用来支付诉讼费用的，这些诉讼导致了政府重点关注的抗议。我只是在试图理解这些事 情如何互动，如果我们不能，当他们把Podhaskie先生放上证人席时，带着银行记录说， 你是为了这些诉讼支付的账单，但—— 法官说：嗯，如果他在证人席上，那是一回事，但你在特意挑出账户支付的账单， 特别是提到这个律师事务所。 卡马拉珠律师说：我明白法官在这里的裁决。我只是想确保在未来不会再次遇到 这个问题。 法官说：很好。我们到此为止。 （回到公开法庭上） 法官说：你可以继续。 施洛夫律师继续问： 问：这是在花旗银行保持的账户，对吗？ 答：你能重复一下问题吗？ 问：我给你看的文件是花旗银行保持的账户，对吗？ 答：是的。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 82 / 145页 问：到 2020 年，金泉的账户已经开设，对吗？在 2020 年 1 月之前？ 答：是的。 问：你已经不再负责开设银行账户了，对吗？你已经调到了花旗银行的另一个部门，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你转到了医疗保健部门，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：那也是疫情开始的时候，对吗？ 答：我相信是的。 问：花旗银行在疫情期间有远程办公的政策吗？ 答：有。 问：政策是什么？ 答：在家工作。 问：你在直接询问中被问到这些问题，但你在 2020 年 1 月再次听到王女士的消息，对吗？ 答：不，不是 1 月。 问：好的，那是在 2020 年的几月份？ 答：我相信是 5月。 问：在 2020 年 5月。她通过什么方式联系你的？ 答：WhatsApp或者短信。我不确定。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 83 / 145页 问：你不确定？ 答：短信。 问：她发短信问你什么？ 答：她需要我帮她开一个银行账户。 问：她想开一个银行账户，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你回复了她的短信并回答了她的问题吗？ 答：我肯定我回复了，是的。 问：你记得告诉她你已经不再负责开设银行账户而是转到医疗保健部门业务了吗？ 答：是的。 问：你不能为她开设账户，对吗？ 答：我个人不能。 问：对。所以你继续和她谈论她想开设什么样的账户吗？ 答：我可能有，嗯。 问：抱歉。 答：我可能有，继续。 问：你一开始并没有直接告诉她你在医疗保健部门业务，对吗？ 你继续和她谈论她想开设什么样的账户？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 84 / 145页 答：是的。 问：对。你问她是什么账户，这个账户是做什么的，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你问她公司的名字，对吗？ 答：我可能问过，是的。 问：抱歉。 答：我可能问过，是的。 问：她告诉了你公司的名字，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：她告诉你这是一个媒体公司，对吗？ 答：对。 问：她告诉了你公司的名字，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：她告诉你是GTV，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：在这段时间里，你知道你不能为她开设账户，但你还是继续和她交谈，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你查了这家媒体公司，对吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 85 / 145页 答：是的。 问：你上了那个网站查看，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你知道你不能开设账户，但你还是去调查了这家公司，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：好的。你知道这家公司在另一家银行有一个更大的账户，对吗？ 答：她告诉我的，是的。 问：你继续和她谈论那个账户，即使你不再在这个部门，对吗？ 答：我已经做了推荐。 问：你已经做了推荐，但你还是继续和她谈话？ 答：是的。 问：所以你推荐给了花旗银行的其他人，对吗？ 答：对。 问：花旗银行的其他人在和王女士合作这个账户，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：他在努力和她建立自己的关系，对吗？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。 法官说：他怎么知道其他人在做什么。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 86 / 145页 问：作为花旗银行的员工，你接受的培训是与客户建立关系，对吗？ 答：是的，但我不知道他做了什么。 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。 法官说：关于相关性。请继续。 问：你从与王女士的对话中知道这是一个大账户，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你问她这个账户有多大，对吗？ 答：不，是她告诉我的。 问：她告诉你这个账户有多大，以为你还是会开设账户，对吗？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。 法官说：他不可能知道她在想什么。 问：在这段时间里你一直和王女士交谈，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你在医疗保健部门？ 答：是的。 问：为了开设这个账户，你让她把文件发给你还是发给花旗银行的其他人？ 答：发给其他人。 问：你的证词是王女士把文件发给了花旗银行的其他人，对吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 87 / 145页 答：可能有抄送，但肯定是其他人在和她合作。 问：你被抄送了吗，哈立德先生？ 答：可能有。我不记得了。 问：你记得那个人的名字吗？ 答：James Song。 问：对。宋先生和你在同一个邮件链中，收到王女士发来的文件，对吗？ 法官说：你可以回答。 答：我不记得了。 问：我会回到这个问题的。这个账户是在 2020 年 6 月 3 日开设的，对吗？ 答：我不记得确切的日期，但是在 6 月。 问：你和宋先生保持联系，问他账户的情况，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你问宋先生账户余额是多少，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：宋先生告诉你这个账户有两亿美元，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你想知道这个是因为你想为获得这个新开设的账户的信用，对吗？ 答：是的。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 88 / 145页 问：花旗银行有一个叫做 30 天余额的系统，用于推荐的账户，对吗？ 答：对。 问：花旗银行有一个叫做评分卡的东西，对吗？ 答：对。 问：每个员工都有一个评分卡，对吗？ 答：我不确定每个人都有。 问：你有一个评分卡，对吗？ 答：有的。 问：你想确保这个账户显示在你的评分卡上，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你想显示它是因为它是一个大账户，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你想确保你和王女士的关系保持良好，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：然后你把这个账户推荐给了一个外部财务顾问，对吗？ 答：你能具体一点吗？ 问：当然。Eric Mark是谁？ 答：Eric Mark是我工作的分行里的一个财务顾问。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 89 / 145页 问：你和 Mark先生以及王女士，或者说金泉账户，也就是GTV账户，做了什么？ 答：我请他与 James联系，看看是否有大账户的机会。 问：你请他联系 James而不是王女士；这是你的证词吗？ 答：是的。 问：一旦你把他们联系起来，你从他那里得知有某种调查，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你从花旗银行信任的某人那里得知了这个调查，对吗？ 答：从 Eric Mark那里，是的。 问：你信任 Mark先生，对吗？ 答：在什么方面？ 问：他是你的同事，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你信任他给你的信息，对吗？ 答：你什么意思？ 问：他告诉你这些公司可能在接受调查，你信任这个信息，对吗？ 答：他给了我这个信息。 问：对。对不起。 答：他给了我信息，但你说的信任是什么意思？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 90 / 145页 问：你认为这个信息是正确的，对吗？ 答：我只是得到了信息。 问：有人告诉你你正在来往的公司在接受调查，而你作为银行家只是保留了这个信息，没 有做更多的事？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人，歪曲了证词。 法官说：反对有效。 问：你对此做了什么？ 答：只是查看了一下，看到了一篇文章。 问：你查看了一下，看到了文章？ 答：是的。 问：然后你继续和王女士来往？ 答：是的，那是一个调查。 问：你没有向花旗银行的合规部门报告，对吗？ 答：没有。 问：尽管你转到了医疗保健部门，你还是继续和王女士交谈，对吗？ 莫里律师说：已经问过并回答了。 法官说：反对有效。 问：哈立德先生，在 2020 年，能公平地说你自己有一些财务问题，对吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 91 / 145页 答：是的。 问：你能大声点说吗？ 答：是的。 问：可以公平的说说你有财务问题吗？ 答：是的。 问：你在 2018 年宣告破产，对吗？ 答：对。 问：那是在纽约东区，布鲁克林，对吗？ 答：不对。 问：那是在什么地方？ 答：长岛艾斯利普。 问：仍然是在东区的管辖范围内，对吗？ 答：我相信是的。 问：那个破产案的受托人在 2018 年 2 月 16 日申请驳回该破产案，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：他们驳回是因为你没有按时支付与破产相关的费用，对吗？ 答：那是因为提交了不正确的文件，所以他们驳回了。 问：对不起。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 92 / 145页 答：提交了不正确的文件。 问：是你提交了不正确的文件还是其他人？ 答：我的律师。 问：你的律师提交了不正确的文件，所以破产被驳回。这是你的证词吗？ 答：我相信是的。 问：你是相信还是确定？ 答：我认为是因为这个原因被驳回的，是的，因为不正确的文件。 问：好的。法院在 2018 年 11 月 21 日驳回了另一个破产案，对吗？ 答：对。 问：那也是因为你没有按约定向债权人支付款项，对吗？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人，歪曲了之前驳回的原因。 法官说：反对有效。 问：为什么那个破产案被驳回，先生？ 答：同样的原因。 问：哦，你的律师又犯了错误？ 答：是的，就在一个月之后。 问：所以第一次是律师的错误。现在是同一个律师还是你换了律师？ 答：我想我还是用了同一个律师。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 93 / 145页 问：所以这次你又犯了第二次错误？ 答：我相信是的。 问：第二次之后你还继续用他作为你的律师？ 答：是的。 问：所以你第二次之后还继续用他，然后破产案在 2019 年 2 月再次被驳回，对吗？ 答：这是一个破产案，所以不是三个单独的。就是一个破产案一直在进行。 问：对。它一直在进行是因为你没有按照破产计划向债权人支付款项，对吗？ 答：不，它一直在进行到现在。就是它一直在进行。你提到的那三个是一个。 问：你欠别人钱，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你没有支付，对吗？ 答：现在我支付了，是的。 问：你什么时候支付的？ 答：通过破产程序。 问：2024 年？ 答：还剩两次付款。 问：好的。所以你还没有全部支付，对吗？ 答：还剩两次付款。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 94 / 145页 问：还剩两次付款，意味着你还没有支付完，对吗？帮我理解一下。 答：是的，还剩两次付款，全部欠款的 100%。 问：所以你还没有支付完，对吗？ 莫里律师说：反对。 法官说：反对有效。 施洛夫律师说：我还没有得到这个问题的答案。 法官说：反对有效。他已经回答了这个问题。 问：今天坐在这里，你的证词是破产受托人在 2023 年 12 月 21 日没有申请驳回这些破产 案，对吗？ 答：2023 年 12 月，是的，还剩两次付款。 问：那 2024 年 3 月 25日呢，你记得破产受托人最近在 2024 年 3 月 25日因未付款而驳 回破产案吗？ 答：是的，我没有支付最后两次付款。 问：从 2018 年到 2020 年期间，你一直受雇于花旗银行，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你没有告诉花旗银行你在破产，对吗？ 答：没有。 问：你有没有告诉破产受托人关于这 270万美元的判决？ 答：什么？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 95 / 145页 问：关于这 270万美元的判决，你有没有告诉破产受托人？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人，歪曲了 270万美元的事实。 法官说：你可以问他是否告诉破产受托人 270万美元的义务。 施洛夫律师说：谢谢，法官大人。 问：你可以回答这个问题。谢谢。 答：没有。 问：你不是有义务这么做吗？ 答：我不知道。 问：你不知道？ 答：不知道。 问：你还在用之前的律师吗？ 答：是的。 问：你有没有跟他确认你是否有这个义务？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。 施洛夫律师说：我继续问别的问题。 问：在 2020 年 6 月，花旗银行本身对GTV和 Saraca的账户采取了不利行动，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你在 2020 年想离开花旗银行，对吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 96 / 145页 答：对。 施洛夫律师继续问： 问：是你向王女士寻求工作机会的，对吗？ 答：不是。 问：你向她询问了开设咨询公司的可能性，对吗？ 答：这是讨论过的，不是我问的。 问 ：如果你 没 有 告 诉她， 你想开一家咨询公司，她怎么会知道呢？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。 法官说：反对有效。 问：你告诉她你想开设一家咨询公司，对吗？ 答：讨论过。 问：你之前经营过自己的公司，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：但那家公司没有成功，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你想再试一次，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你想要一个国际客户群，对吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 97 / 145页 答：是的。 问：王女士和她的公司提供了这个机会，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你提出了建议，但她拒绝了你，对吗？ 答：我不明白你的意思。 问：对不起？ 答：我不明白你的意思。 问：你说，你能和我一起成立一家国际咨询公司吗？她说不，对吗？ 答：不。 问：好的。然后你问她是否需要像你这样的人在 GTV工作，对吗？ 答：我不记得了。 问：你告诉她我可以帮你开设银行账户，对吗？ 答：我不记得这些具体的话。 问：你给她发信息，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你和她通过 iPhone 发信息，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你和她通过 Signal 发信息，对吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 98 / 145页 答：对。 问：你在直接询问中作证说你认为王女士对她的员工很关心，对吗？ 答：她表现得很关心，是的。 问：你作证了你所作证的内容，先生。我只是问你，当时你的印象是这样，对吗？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。带有争论性。 施洛夫律师说：法官大人，我继续问其他问题。 问：当时你的印象是这样，先生？ 答：对什么的印象？ 问：对她是一个关心人的印象。 答：当时是的。 问：好的。你问她能否为你安排在 GTV的工作面试，对吗？ 答：不是我问的，是讨论过，她问我的。 问：讨论过，但她问你；这是你的证词。 答：是的，这是——这是一个讨论，有来有往的。 问：好的。无论如何，你进行了面试，对吗？ 答：非常不正式的，是的。 问：和谁进行的非正式面试？ 答：和王雁平。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 99 / 145页 问：和王女士？ 答：是的。 问：面试在哪里进行，先生？ 答：在联排别墅，东 64街 162号。 问：让我问你这个问题。在你和莫里律师的 19次会面中，你曾经称东 64街的建筑为联排 别墅吗？ 答：是的。 问：真的。 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。 问：在所有的—— 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。 施洛夫律师说：我继续问其他问题。 法官说：请不要说“真的”。继续。 施洛夫律师说：对不起，法官大人。 问：在你和王女士谈论见面的所有时间里，她曾经把东 64街的建筑称为联排别墅吗？ 答：我相信是的。 问：你相信是？ 答：是的。 问：好的。当你进入建筑时，你看到的那个大标志是什么？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 100 / 145页 施洛夫律师说：你能给他看一下吗？ 答：大标志？你是什么意思？在哪里？ 问：我要——让我给你看一张照片，可以吗？ 答：当然。 施洛夫律师说：法官大人，我没有证物编号，但我用 7001，辩方证物 7001。 法官说：好的。 问：你看到了吗？ 答：看到了。 问：认得吗？ 答：是的。 问：那是什么，先生？ 答：那是一个很小的标志，叫喜马拉雅大使馆。 问：你在哪里看到那个标志？ 答：就在这里。 问：不，不。现实中，你在哪里看到那个标志？ 答：你什么意思？ 问：你还在哪里看到过这个标志？ 答：在那栋建筑上。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 101 / 145页 问：在那栋建筑上，对吗？ 答：是的，在门旁边。 施洛夫律师说：好的。我请求将 7001作为证据接纳。 莫里律师说：没有异议。 法官说：接纳为证据。 （辩方证物 7001 被接纳为证据） 问：他们把这个建筑称作这样，对吗？ 施洛夫律师说：我能向陪审团展示一下吗？ 答：你在问我吗？ 问：对不起？ 答：你在问我吗？ 问：是的。 答：他们把这栋建筑称作这样？ 问：是的。 答：不。 问：那么在你进入建筑时，你看到这个标志，对吗？ 答：“他们”是谁？ 问：东 64街是一栋建筑，对吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 102 / 145页 答：是的。 问：莫里律师给你看过这栋建筑的照片，对吗？ 答：对。 问：在你们 19次准备的时候，她向你展示了这些照片，对吗？ 答：对。 问：她从未向你展示过这张照片，对吗？ 答：没有，我没看到过。 问：对。这张照片中的“喜马拉雅大使馆”出现在那栋建筑上，对吗？ 答：在那栋建筑的门旁边。 问：在那栋建筑的门旁边。 答：对，在那栋建筑的门旁边。 问：对。东 64街，对吗？ 答：东 64街 162号。 问：对。任何人想在那里见面，他们会说，我们在使馆见面，对吗？ 法官说：反对有效。 问：那栋建筑被称为使馆，而不是有人称它为联排别墅，对吗？ 答：不是。 施洛夫律师说：好的，你可以把它拿下来。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 103 / 145页 问：你在东 64街的这栋建筑里进行了面试，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：王雁平也在那儿，对吗？王女士？ 答：对。 问：她为了面试穿得正式，对吗？ 答：她穿得很普通。 问：你穿了一套西装，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：这是一次工作面试，对吗？ 答：不。这更像是一次——一次会议，就像我说的，一次非正式的会议。 问：这是一次非正式的会议，但你给她发了简历，对吗？ 答：她要的，是的。 问：所以你发了，对吗？ 答：我发了。 问：在发之前，你更新了它，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：好的。她在面试中和你一起看了你的简历，对吗？ 答：不记得了。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 104 / 145页 问：问你履历的问题，对吗？ 答：没有。 问：没有。 莫里律师说：法官大人，有问题在等待回答吗？ 法官说：问题是什么？ 问：先生，这次面试是在几月份，你还记得吗？ 答：我想是在 6 月。 问：2020 年 6 月，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：疫情仍在蔓延，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你去进行了面对面的面试，对吗？ 答：再次说明，这是一次会议。我去开了一个会议。 问：你去进行了面对面的会议，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：之后有跟进吗？你称之为会议，我称之为面试，但之后有跟进，对吗？ 答：跟进什么？ 问：那次面试之后。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 105 / 145页 答：在什么意义上？ 问：好吧，你在第一次非正式讨论中得到了工作吗，就像你说的？ 答：是的，我得到了工作邀请。 问：你当场得到了工作邀请。 答：不。 问：是还是不是？ 答：不，不。 问：不。 答：不。 问：好的。所以他们——首先你说是，然后你说不，所以我要确保是哪一个。 莫里律师说：法官大人，反对。这歪曲了证人的回答。 法官说：你在第一次会议上得到了工作邀请吗？ 证人：没有。 问：好的。所以他们把你带回来了，对吗？ 答：没有。 问：他们安排了第二次会议吗？ 答：是的。 问：第二次会议在哪里？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 106 / 145页 答：是通过 Zoom，Zoom或WhatsApp，或者——通过 Zoom，一次视频通话。 问：一次视频会议？ 答：一次视频通话，对。 问：好的。无论是带你回来进行面对面的会议还是通过 WhatsApp，他们带你进行了第二 次面试，对吗？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。这歪曲了—— 法官说：反对有效。 问：好的。Zoom会议是为了什么？ 答：王雁平想让我见郭文贵。 问：还有谁在会议上？ 答：在通话中，只有王雁平和郭文贵和我。 问：好的。你见到了郭先生吗？ 答：在通话中，是的。 问：你能看到他的脸吗？ 答：是的。 问：所以这不是一次电话，而是一次视频，对吗？ 答：那是我指的，视频通话。 问：所以在这次视频通话中，郭先生问了你问题，对吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 107 / 145页 答：我不记得他是否问了问题。 问：根据你的说法，多少天后你得到了工作邀请？ 答：我不知道——我不记得确切的天数。 问：好的。你记得和王女士谈过你的薪水吗？ 答：有一点，是的。 问：嗯，实际上是很多次来回，对吗？ 答：我不确定是不是很多。我不知道确切的来回次数。 问：你和她短信沟通，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你和她通过短信讨论了你的薪水金额，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你想要一个具体的数字，而她一开始不会给你，对吗？ 答：我相信是的。 问：对。实际上，你发短信告诉她，你被认为是花旗银行的顶级银行家之一，所以她应该 给你你要求的薪水；记得吗？ 答：原话不是这样。我不记得了。 问：对不起？ 答：我不记得原话了，不。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 108 / 145页 问：但大意是这样的，对吧？ 答：大意是什么？你是什么意思？ 问：你告诉她你被认为是花旗银行的顶级银行家之一，对吗？ 答：再说一次，我不记得确切的话。 施洛夫律师说：法官大人，我可以吗？ 法官说：可以。 问：这有助于你回忆吗，哈立德先生？ 答：是的。 问：那么你向她推销为什么你应该得到你想要的薪水，对吗？ 答：再说一次，我不会称之为推销。 问：好的。你会怎么称呼它？ 答： 我只是想问，他们将为我提供的这份工作是否有保障？ 问：好的。那我们谈谈这个。你问了她这个问题，对吗？ 答：对。 问：她告诉了你什么？你记得吗？ 答：她说，如果你想要安全感，留在花旗银行。 问：没错。她告诉你如果你想要安全感，你应该留在花旗银行，对吗？ 答：是的。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 109 / 145页 问：然后你继续与她谈判，对吗？ 答：我继续和她谈，是的。 问：我没听清楚。 答：我继续和她谈。 问：但你不仅仅是和她谈，你还和她谈了薪水金额，对吗？ 答：金额是讨论过的。 问：对。你告诉她你会放弃花旗银行的奖金，所以她应该给你 70,000 美元来弥补失去的 奖金，而她说不，对吗？ 答：我告诉她关于奖金的事，是的。 问：你告诉她你想要两个月的签约奖金；你对王女士说了，对吗？ 答：可能说过，是的。 问：而她说不，对吗？ 答：我不记得她的确切回答，但我没得到那个奖金，是的。 问：你没得到，对吗？ 答：没有。 问：她告诉你如果你想要工作保障，你应该留在花旗银行，对吗？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。 法官说：反对有效。已经问过并回答了。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 110 / 145页 问：她所有的问题都诚实回答了，对吗？ 法官说：反对有效。 问：你认为王女士回答“留在花旗银行”这个问题是诚实的吗？ 答：我不知道是否诚实。 问：好的。尽管她的告诫，你还是决定接受这份工作，对吗？ 答：尽管什么？ 问：尽管她的告诫，你还是决定接受这份工作，对吗？ 答：你能解释一下“告诫”是什么意思吗？ 问：没关系。我继续。你告诉王女士你会接受这份工作，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：然后她把你介绍给了 Grace Yong，对吗？ 答：对。 问：那是因为你还有更多的问题，对吗？ 答：不。她只是把我介绍给她。 问：你问了她关于你在 GTV 角色的问题，而她告诉你，找 Grace Yong，对吗？你记得 吗？ 答：不记得。 问：好的。Yong女士在人力资源部工作，对吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 111 / 145页 答：是的。 问：她回答了你的问题，对吗？ 答：她给了我工作范围。 问：你形容你与她的对话是一次很好的对话，对吗？ 答：我告诉她——我告诉她我和她有一次很好的对话。 问：你接受了工作邀请，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你没有得到你要求的薪水，对吗？ 答：没有。 问：对，你没有得到，对吗？我只是想确保语法正确。你要求更多，最后同意了 350,000， 对吗？ 答：我同意了 350,000，对。 问：对。但你要求更多，对吗？你要求 450,000，你得到了 350,000。 答：我不记得确切的金额，但肯定超过了 350,000，是为了奖金。 问：你接受了这份工作，对吗？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。已经问过并多次回答。 法官说：反对有效。 施洛夫律师说：我没听到答案，但我继续。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 112 / 145页 问：在 2020 年 7月 7日——2020 年 7月 10 日，王女士联系你，问你是否已经辞职花旗 银行，对吗？ 答：她可能有。我不记得了。 问：这能帮助你回忆吗，哈立德先生？ 答：是的。 问：她问你是否提交了辞职信，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你说，还没有，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你从未对她说，我现在不会辞职、我会继续在花旗银行工作，以防万一，对吗？ 答：没有。 问：实际上，你回复她说你还需要完成一些事情，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你在拖延，对吗？ 答：我在什么？ 问：没关系。我继续。你开始在东 64街工作了，对吗？你昨天说的？ 答：是的。 问：莫里律师问你描述你在那里的前几天，对吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 113 / 145页 答：对。 问：你描述它们为混乱或奇怪，对吗？ 答：我说的是奇怪，不是结构化的。 问：好的。我们来谈谈这个。当你在 10 月 30 日之前在东 64街工作时，你在做两份工作， 对吗？ 答：对。 问：好的。花旗银行给你工作手机了吗？ 答：我不认为有。在那个时候没有。 问：在 2020 年 7月，花旗银行没有给你工作手机，对吗？我只是想确保我理解正确。 答：我不记得了。 问：好的。所以你在花旗银行的工作时间是 9点到 5 点，对吗，而在东 64街也是 9点到 5 点，对吗？ 答：9点到 5 点，对。但那是疫情期间。 问：好的。但你仍然要对一份工作负责七小时，对另一份工作也要负责七小时，对吗？ 答：这不是按小时算的工作。 问：如果你不为公司工作，你就不会拿薪水，对吗？因为那是盗窃。 答：我在工作，但再次说明，这不是按小时算的工作，不是七小时和七小时。 问：所以大约三个月里，你每天工作 14小时；这是你的证词吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 114 / 145页 答：不。是两个月，是的。 问：所以两个月里你每天工作 14小时。让我这样问：如果有一天你在东 64街，而花旗银 行的员工或客户打电话给你，你会如何优先处理？ 法官说：我希望律师们到前面来一下。 （边栏会议讨论，仅法官和双方律师在场） 法官说：你在问他关于工资盗窃的问题，他有反对自证其罪的权利，所以我必须 告知他他的权利。 施洛夫律师说：您可以。我没有异议。我是说，但他确实偷了。 法官说：好吧，这属于州级犯罪。我不认为他的豁免权—— 莫里律师说：法官大人，我们对这个问题没有异议。他向我们披露了。这在他的 直接证词中提到过。我们认为这在他的不起诉协议范围内，涵盖了他在郭文贵和王女士期 间的所有行为。 法官说：但不包括州犯罪。 施洛夫律师说：我认为他应该被告知，因为这是州犯罪。 莫里律师说：通常情况下，法官大人，对于我们的不起诉协议或我们签订的任何 协议，州犯罪、超出时效的犯罪等都不在问题之列。他在签订不起诉协议时得到了律师的 建议。我们不知道那些谈话的实质，但他确实在签订不起诉协议前咨询了律师，并且他向 我们披露了，我们在直接询问中提到过。 卡马拉珠律师说：所以我只想指出，我认为他的不起诉协议，像所有的不起诉协 议一样，明确表示他们不能为其他联邦办公室或州当局的刑事起诉提供保护，所以我认为 这是非常明确的，法官大人。 法官说：好的。那么我必须告知他他的权利并为他提供律师。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 115 / 145页 芬克律师说：法官大人，如果可以的话，他在这里的证词有律师代表。 法官说：但他有律师在场吗？ 芬克律师说：我不知道这个。 莫里律师说：我不认为是这样。 芬克律师说：一般情况下，这种情况经常发生。当我们的办公室提供不起诉协议 时，他们也可能面临州犯罪的风险。这经常发生，无论是家庭暴力还是打架之类的。他已 经决定签署不起诉协议，并且明白他需要在交叉询问、直接询问和法官面前，完全诚实地 回答所有关于他行为的问题，我们认为不需要进行任何这样的指导，如果确实要进行—— 我们会记录反对——应该在陪审团不在场的��况下进行。 法官说：这部分我明白了。 芬克律师说：坦率地说，法官大人，这种情况经常发生，人们有风险，但他们签 署不起诉协议。虽然我理解辩护律师在为证人着想，但我认为在这里没有必要，这是非常 标准的做法。 检方费根森律师说：我补充一点辩方律师卡马拉珠律师关于协议内容的观点。正如芬克律 师所说，每个协议都涵盖了联邦犯罪，但很难想象会有什么联邦犯罪不会同时也是州或地 方犯罪，对吧？所以协议中说，我们不能正式为你提供这方面的保护，但如果你要求，我 们会向任何其他起诉办公室提及你已经与我们办公室就此行为签署了不起诉协议。 卡马拉珠律师说：法官大人，对不起。我认为这个问题在 Kastigar 案中已经解决 了，Kastigar 案明确解决了这个问题，即尽管签署了不起诉协议，他仍然有关于州犯罪的 第五修正案权利。所以我认为法官完全可以——坦率地说，很有道理——在陪审团不在场 的情况下告知他。但他们不能为州犯罪提供豁免，而这显然涉及到—— 费根森律师说：每个合作者都是这样—— 卡马拉珠律师说：这对每个合作者都适用。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 116 / 145页 费根森律师说：这从未发生在每个合作者身上。 卡马拉珠律师说：这是法律。 法官说：好吧，你现在面对的是一位曾经在州法院任职的法官。所以我的问题是： 除了这个关于工资盗窃的领域外，你还打算提到其他任何州的犯罪吗？ 施洛夫律师说：没有。我不认为有——其实，稍等一下。 卡马拉珠律师说：我认为此刻没有，法官大人。我看一下她的提纲，以确保没有 其他问题，但我认为答案是没有。 施洛夫律师说：我认为有一大堆支票跳票，但我不认为有其他州犯罪。我认为这 些都是联邦犯罪。所以我不认为有。但我愿意再确认一下。 芬克律师说：我甚至不确定这是否算是工资盗窃，但我明白了。 卡马拉珠律师说：我认为法官对此非常熟悉，所以—— 芬克律师说：我显然不会——我不会参与这个竞争，所以记录上应该清楚。 施洛夫律师说：我不知道。我有点怀念在州法院的日子。我得告诉你，中心街 100号比这里有趣得多。 卡马拉珠律师说：法官大人，您现在打算让陪审团退场吗，还是—— 所有律师说：嗯，她会检查她的提纲。这是我的理解。 卡马拉珠律师说：哦，我误解了你的意思。我会快速看一下以确认。 法官说：好的。 （暂停） 施洛夫律师说：我不打算在他的酒驾或吸食大麻问题上进行交叉询问，所以我认 为这就是了。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 117 / 145页 法官说：好吧，我们可以休息一下。 施洛夫律师说：好的。我也需要休息一下。 法官说：我要去找一个 CJA 的人，然后我们继续，你可以转到另一个主题。 芬克律师说：他有律师，聘请的律师。我们当然可以让他打电话给他的律师，而 不是 CJA。我相信他会有空。他知道他要作证。 莫里律师说：我的理解是他知道他要作证。他只是昨天和今天不在州内，无法到 场。 法官说：他的律师是谁？ 莫里律师说：James Pascarella。 施洛夫律师说：他还有 Ezra Spilke，对吧？作为他的律师？ 莫里律师说：以前是。 施洛夫律师说：他在 CJA小组。也许他可以打电话给他们两个。我们对他打电话 给谁没有异议。 莫里律师说：我认为我们首先建议他联系 Pascarella 先生，但我们很乐意这样做。 法官说：那么你将转到另一个主题。看来他明天会回来。 莫里律师说：你还有多久？ 施洛夫律师说：哦，我有—— 卡马拉珠律师说：我认为可以说他明天会回来。 莫里律师说：我们可以讨论这个—— 法官说：我会在 3点前停止，因为我必须在 3点前完全结束，所以——
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 118 / 145页 施洛夫律师说：好吧，我以为我们明天会到 3点，而不是今天。 法官说：抱歉。我说的是 2点 45 分前。 芬克律师说：那么我们可以释放今天在这里的另一位证人吗？ 施洛夫律师说：当然。 卡马拉珠律师说：是的。 （回到公开法庭上） 施洛夫律师说：法官大人，我可以继续吗？ 法官说：你可以。 施洛夫律师说：谢谢。如果我可以展示标记为政府证物 BR399 的文件。 辩方施洛夫律师继续提问： 问：哈立德先生，你记得昨天作证提到这个文件，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：莫里女士问了你关于第 5段的问题，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：好的。第 5段，你能读一下那一行给我听吗，“股权赠与将”。 答：“股权赠与将受制于归属要求。” 问：好的。你还记得昨天你在直接询问时作证说，实际上你并没有得到这个合同为你提供 的任何股权或股份，对吗？这是你说的？ 答：是的。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 119 / 145页 问：你履行了这个合同的归属要求吗？ 答：不清楚归属要求是什么。 问：你在那里工作了多久？ 答：差不多一年。 问：差不多一年？几个月？ 答：11个月，差不多这样。 问：那少于一年。你在宣誓下说你不知道归属要求是什么，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你知道归属要求是什么吗？ 答：不知道。 问：好的。所以当你昨天告诉陪审团你没有得到任何股份时，你其实并没有资格得到股份， 对吗？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。 法官说：反对有效。 问：根据这个第 5段，你有资格得到任何股份吗？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。他说他不知道。 法官说：反对有效。 问：你对归属要求的理解是什么？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 120 / 145页 答：应得的。 问：对不起？ 答：应得的权利。 问：应得什么？ 答：应得权利要求。这就是我对归属的理解，就是应得的权利。 问：对。所以在你归属之前，你什么也得不到，对吗？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。已经问过并回答了。 法官说：反对有效。 问：顺便问一下，当你离职时，你有进行离职面谈吗？ 法官说：离开哪里？ 问：你的工作？ 法官说：哪里？ 问：在 GTV。你有进行离职面谈吗？ 答：我没有离职。 问：你没有离职？发生了什么事？ 答：他们——他们让我走。 问：他们解雇了你？ 答：他们说公司关闭，不再需要我。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 121 / 145页 问：只有你被告知这个，对吗？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。 法官说：反对有效。 问：Gladis还在那儿工作，对吗？ 答：我不知道Gladis在哪里工作。 问：杨女士还在那儿工作，对吗？ 答：我不知道谁还在那儿工作。 问：Alex——不是现在。我指的是当你被解雇时。他们还在那儿工作，对吗？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人，对这个描述有异议。 法官说：反对有效。 问：好的。当你被解雇时——这是你用的词，对吗？让你走人，对吗？ 答：对。 问：好的。杨女士仍在那里的 HR部门工作，对吗？ 答：也许吧。 问：也许？好的。那亚伦·米切尔呢，他还在那里工作吗？ 答：具体指哪里工作？ 问：东 64街。 答：在那栋楼里？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 122 / 145页 问：是的。 答：在那栋联排别墅里？ 问：那是你说的，我只是问你关于东 64街的事。 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。 法官说：反对有效。 问：亚伦·米切尔仍在那儿工作，对吗？ 答：他仍为家族办公室工作。 问：顺便问一下，丹·波达斯基是谁？ 答：丹·波达斯基？ 问：是的。 答：我加入 Saraca 时他是内部律师。 问：在哪个公司内部，为谁工作？ 答：他为法治基金工作。 问：根据你的说法，他在东 64街工作，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你被解雇后他仍在那里工作，对吗？ 答：不。 问：他在你被解雇时不在那里工作？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 123 / 145页 答：不。 问：好的。那亚历克斯·H呢？ 答：我失去了联系，所以我不知道他们是否继续在那里工作。 问：好的。但在你被解雇的那天，亚历克斯·H还在那里，对吗？ 答：我不知道。 问：在直接询问中，你被问到许多实体，包括莱克星顿物业，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：然后你被问到 Lamp，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你还被问到 Jovial，对吗？ 答：对。 问：可以公平地描述这三个实体为家族基金实体吗？ 答：你说的家族基金实体是什么意思？ 问：当你作证关于家族基金时，你的意思是什么？ 答：不。答：你什么意思？你指的作证的家族基金是什么？你能不能—— 问：昨天在直接询问时，当莫里律师问你关于家族基金的问题时，你回答了这些问题，对 吗？ 答：你的问题不清楚。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 124 / 145页 问：你昨天在这个法庭上作证了？ 答：是的。 问：你作证关于家族基金，对吗？ 我再试一次。你作证关于家族办公室，对吗？你至少记得这个？ 答：家族办公室？ 问：是的。 答：是的。 问：好的。你理解的家族办公室是什么？ 答：一个处理家庭费用、投资的实体。 问：哪个家庭？ 答：你在问我家族办公室？这是家族办公室——在这个例子中，是郭家。 问：郭家，对吗？ 答：对。 问：莱克星顿物业是一个支付郭家费用的实体，对吗？ 答：对。 问：它不支付费用？ 答：不。莱克星顿物业是支付员工和租金的。 问：好的。包括谁的租金？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 125 / 145页 答：我不知道。我没有具体管理—— 问：所以你不知道？ 答：——交易。 问：对不起？ 答：交易。我不知道。 问：好的。所以你不知道哪些交易，对吗？ 答：具体的交易，不知道。 问：你不——你知道一般交易吗？不知道，对吗？ 答：一般来说，是为在联排别墅工作的员工。 问：你有没有看过莱克星顿物业的任何文件？ 答：看过成立文件，是的。 问：你看过他们的日常工资单吗？ 答：没有。 问：你看过他们的银行账户吗？ 答：没有，具体来说没有。 问：你不知道进来的钱是什么，对吗？也不知道出去的钱是什么，对吗？ 答：对。 问：我们来谈谈 Lamp。Lamp做什么的？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 126 / 145页 答：同样的事情。有人告诉我 Lamp是为单独的实体支付费用的。 问：为单独的实体还是为郭家？ 答：为郭家拥有的实体。 问：Lamp为郭家拥有的哪些实体支付费用？ 答：有很多实体。我不—— 问：举一个名字。 答：我不记得了。你可以给我看。 问：对不起？ 答：我不记得了。 问：你不记得，对吗？ 答：对。 问：好的。你作证提到过一家叫做 Regus的公司，对吗？R-E-G-U-S？记得吗？ 答：Regus，是的。 问：你作证说你通过他们租用了虚拟办公室空间，对吗？ 答：对。 问：虚拟办公室空间没有什么非法的，对吗？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。他不能发表法律结论。 法官说：反对有效。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 127 / 145页 问：你租用了虚拟办公室吗？ 答：是的。 问：你签了租约吗？ 答：他们不叫租约，是协议。 问：对不起？ 答：不是租约，是协议。 问：好的。 答：就像，你知道—— 问：谢谢。所以你签了协议，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：好的。你也为其他实体签了虚拟——我不知道，如果不是租约——我猜是虚拟空间的 协议，对吗？ 答：为其他实体，是的。是的。 问：是吗？ 答：是的。 问：好的。你昨天在直接询问中作证说，你这样做是为了显示 Saraca、GTV 和金泉之间 的分离，对吗？ 答：不同的地址，是的。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 128 / 145页 问：对。地址是你选的，还是别人选的？ 答：对于莱克星顿，安东尼希望它靠近，这样他们可以取邮件。 问：我的问题是：地址是你选的，还是别人选的？ 莫里律师说：已经问过并回答了，法官大人。他回答了这个问题。 法官说：反对有效。 施洛夫律师说：对不起。有人能帮我读一下回答吗？ （记录读出） 施洛夫律师继续问： 问：所以是安东尼·迪巴蒂斯塔希望地址靠近，这样他可以取邮件，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：所以你和安东尼·迪巴蒂斯塔谈了选哪个地址，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你和他一起选了地址，对吗？ 答：他让我找一个靠近的地址，那位置是离联排别墅最近的。 问：你照办了，对吗？ 我们继续。在你开始工作之前，没有虚拟办公室，对吗？ 莫里律师说：请澄清“那里”是哪里。 施洛夫律师说：哦。在东 64街。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 129 / 145页 法官说：但在美国没有虚拟办公室还是—— 施洛夫律师说：不，不。在他到那里之前，任何 G 实体都没有虚拟办公室。对不 起，法官大人。那是个糟糕的问题。抱歉。 答：我不会知道。 问：但你会知道的，因为如果他们已经有虚拟办公室，你就不需要再去租了，对吗？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。 法官说：反对有效。 问：在你签署虚拟办公室协议之前，你检查过这些实体之前没有虚拟办公室，对吗？ 答：是的。它们是新的实体，莱克星顿是新的，所以—— 问：Lamp呢？ 答：不记得了。 问：Jovial呢？ 答：什么意思？ 问：一个你为其租用虚拟办公室的实体。 答：我不认为我们为 Jovial租过虚拟办公室。 问：好的。所以你的证词是你只为 Lamp和莱克星顿租用了虚拟办公室。 莫里律师说：反对。这不是他的证词。 法官说：反对有效。 问：你为哪些公司租用了虚拟办公室？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 130 / 145页 答：G Music。 问：在你为G Music租用虚拟办公室之前，它在哪里？ 答：我不知道。 问：它在东 64街，对吗？ 答：不。 问：你刚才说你不知道，但你知道它不在东 64街。 答：我知道它不在 64街，但我不知道它还有其他什么地址。 问：G Fashion呢？ 答：哪个G Fashion？有很多。 问：你为G Fashion 开设了多个虚拟办公室吗？ 答：我知道，但你问的是哪个G Fashion？ 问：我只问你为哪个G Fashion 开设了虚拟办公室。 答：在美国的 G Fashion在加州有一个办公室，但我不知道是不是虚拟办公室。 问：G Fashion 从加州搬到纽约，对吗？ 答：再说一遍，哪个G Fashion？ 问：然后它从纽约搬到意大利，对吗？ 答：我不知道。 问：谁签署了虚拟办公室的协议？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 131 / 145页 答：我不记得了。可能是我或王雁平。我不确定。 问：现在你作证说过一个叫做 Crane的实体，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：你在直接询问中作证说，你在与王女士和一位内部律师讨论后创建了这个实体，对吗？ 这是你的证词？ 答：对。 问：哈立德先生，可以说是你选择了 Crane 这个名字，对吗？ 答：这是建议给王雁平的，她批准了。 问：哈立德先生，实际上是你选择了这个名字，因为你认为这是一个幸运的鸟来命名你的 公司，对吗？ 答：是的，中国的。 问：对。王女士与选择这个名字没有关系，对吗？ 答：它与中国有关系。 问：我问的不是这个。我的问题是：王女士与你选择这个名字无关，对吗？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。这是对证词的误述。 法官说：你可以回答这个问题。 答：你能重复一下问题吗？ 施洛夫律师说：能请您再读一遍给他听吗？ 法官说：请读。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 132 / 145页 （记录读出） 答：她批准了这个名字。 问：你认为选择和批准之间有区别吗？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。 法官说：所以是你选择了名字，然后她批准了，是这样吗？ 证人说：是的，我建议了这个名字，她批准了。 问：你有通过邮件告诉她这个名字吗？没有，对吗？ 答：我不记得了。 问：你从未通过短信告诉她这个名字，对吗？ 答：我不记得了。 问：当你去注册公司的时候，她从未和你一起去，对吗？ 答：我们是在网上完成的——是我在网上完成的。 问：当你在网上完成注册时，她并不在场，对吗？ 答：没有。 问：她与你支付这家公司的费用没有关系，对吗？ 答：你说的没有关系是什么意思？ 问：实际上，哈立德先生，你是否认同这样说：她根本不在乎你是否开设了Crane公司？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 133 / 145页 法官说：反对有效。他不能作证她的感受。 问：谁控制 Crane？ 答：在什么情况下？ 问：在什么情况下？ 答：是的。比如说，你指的是什么？ 问：谁拥有 Crane？ 答：我在法律文件上拥有。 问：还有其他方式拥有 Crane吗？ 答：在法律文件上，没有。 问：还有其他方式拥有 Crane吗，除了在法律文件上？ 答：没有。 问：你昨天在直接询问中作证说，通过这个 Crane 实体你打算申请银行执照，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你的想法是你要获得实际银行的执照，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你还考虑过想要获得在线数字银行的执照，对吗？ 答：你能重复一下吗？ 问：当然。你也希望或打算设立一个在线数字银行，对吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 134 / 145页 答：对。 问：作为一名有至少十年经验的银行家，你是否知道宣布破产的人无法获得这种许可证？ 答：我不这么认为。 问：你不认为——你认为一个正在申请银行经营许可证的人，即使处于个人破产状态，也 不会被自动取消资格。 答：不。我不知道这一点。 问：你不知道这一点。 答：我不确定。 问：你不确定。 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。 答：不。 法官说：反对有效。 问：你有没有调查过，你现在所处的个人破产状态是否会使你失去拥有银行的资格？ 答：我们咨询的律师认为这不会是个问题。 问：你告诉律师你在破产状态吗？ 答：是的。 问：你告诉了哪些律师？你告诉了 Victor Cerda你在破产状态吗？ 答：是的。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 135 / 145页 问：你在申请银行执照时告诉了 Victor Cerda你在破产状态吗？ 答：是的，他知道的。 问：你告诉王女士，王雁平，在你申请银行执照时你在破产状态。 答：是的。 问：你的证词——你是否也将这些信息告知了郭文贵？ 答：是的。 问：你是什么时候向王雁平透露这个信息的，是在接受这份工作之前还是之后？ 答：之后。 问：所以你接受了一份工作，没有告诉她你在破产中，然后之后才透露给她。 答：是的。 问：什么时候？ 答：2020 年 10 月。 问：2020 年的什么时候？ 答：10 月。 问：2020 年 10 月？ 答：是的。 问：你在 2020 年 10 月告诉王女士你已经申请了个人破产。 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。已经问过并回答了。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 136 / 145页 法官说：反对有效。 问：她有没有问你关于破产的文件？ 答：没有。 问：她有没有问你破产持续了多久？ 答：没有。 问：她有没有问你欠破产受托人多少钱？ 答：没有。 问：所以你告诉王雁平，你的雇主，你在破产中，她没有问你任何跟进的问题。 答：没有。她说她会在公司里再加一个人。 问：她会在谁的公司里再加一个人？ 答：Crane。 问：但 Crane 是你的公司，对吗？ 答：对。 问：她根本不能在你的公司里加人，对吗？ 答：如果她要求我，我会的。 问：但她没有要求你，对吗？ 答：一开始她有要求。 问：哦，她要求了你。而你说如果她要求你，你会做的，那么你为什么没有做呢？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 137 / 145页 答：我本来应该和 Victor Cerda一起创建它。 问：你的证词是 Victor Cerda 会和你一起创建公司？ 答：是的，女士。 问：先生，实际上你和 Cerda先生完全处不好，对吗？事实上，你们—— 答：我们—— 问：对不起？ 法官说：让他回答。 答：我们一起去了波多黎各。 问：你认为因为你和 Victor Cerda先生一起去了波多黎各，你们就处得好吗？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。这不是他的证词。 施洛夫律师说：我认为那是—— 法官说：你和 Cerda先生相处得好吗？ 证人说：是的，我们相处得很好。 问：Cerda先生在一次会议中称你为笨蛋，对吗？ 答：我不记得了，不。 问：他有没有公开嘲笑你试图买一家银行却不知道你需要执照？ 答：你什么意思？什么？你能重复问题吗？ 问：当然。Cerda先生有没有公开嘲笑你以为你可以在美国买一家银行？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 138 / 145页 答：我不记得了，不。 问：哈立德先生，可以说，除了你和 Cerda 先生一起去的那次旅行之外，你从未与他一 起旅行过，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你从未去过 Cerda先生的家，对吗？ 答：没有。 问：你从未被他邀请去参加社交活动，对吗？ 莫里律师说：反对，相关性。 施洛夫律师说：他说他们是朋友。 法官说：不。他说他们相处得很好。 施洛夫律师说：好的。 法官说：所以—— 问：Cerda先生从未邀请你参加过任何社交活动，对吗？ 莫里律师说：同样的反对，法官大人。 法官说：反对有效。 问：Cerda先生从未要求加入 Crane，对吗？ 答：他打算加入。 问：他打算要求你？ 答：那是计划。不是的，计划是他要加入。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 139 / 145页 问：他打算加入—— 答：并成为 Crane的一部分，对。 问：对不起？ 答：他打算成为 Crane的部分所有者。 问：Cerda先生打算成为 Crane的部分所有者。 答：是的。 问：你和 Cerda先生有通过电子邮件联系，对吗？ 答：对。 问：你通过电话和他说过话？ 答：是的。 问：你通过短信和他说过话？ 答：是的。 问：你把所有这些文件都交给了政府，对吗？ 答：这些信息都在证据披露中，我所拥有的所有资料中。 问：没有一封电子邮件、短信或交流能证实你今天在这里口头说的话，对吗？ 莫里律师说：反对，法官大人。 法官说：反对有效。 问：你从未向 Cerda先生发送过加入 Crane的提案，对吗？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 140 / 145页 答：提案？ 问：是的。这是一个商业项目，对吗？有人要加入 Crane。 答：不，但我已经向他请求了加入所需的文件。 问：你从未——请听一下。你能听一下我的问题吗？ 答：好的，继续。 问：我的问题是：你是否向Cerda先生发送过任何提案，邀请他加入你在Crane的工作？ 答：如果你这么说，那就没有。 问：你是否向王雁平发送过任何提案，邀请她加入你在 Crane的工作？ 答：如果你这么说，那就没有。 问：你有所有这些录音的电话，对吗？ 答：是的，有。 问：在这些电话中，你从未说过，知道吗，王雁平，你可以加入 Crane，对吗？ 答：你是什么意思？ 问：在这些你录音的电话中，你从未说过，王女士，来加入我，成为 Crane 的合伙人， 对吗？ 答：没有。 问：你从未在那些你决定录音的电话中对 Cerda先生说过，对吗？ 答：没有告诉他什么？
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 141 / 145页 问：来加入我在 Crane。 答：在那些电话里没有。 问：在你录音的任何电话中，你从未邀请这两个人中的任何一个加入 Crane。 莫里律师说：反对，已经问过并回答过了。 法官说：反对有效，已经问过并回答过了。 施洛夫律师说：法官大人，现在停下来合适吗，还是我应该继续？ 法官说：是的，现在停下来很合适。现在是 2:36。各位陪审员，我们今天会稍微 提前结束工作。明天你们需要在 9:30 返回法庭，准备进入法庭。请记住，你们不允许在 自己之间或与任何人讨论此案。不允许任何人在你们面前讨论此案。不要阅读、观看或收 听任何涉及本次审判主题的任何来源的内容。 （陪审团不在场） 法官说：请坐下。 卡马拉珠律师说：法官大人，我很抱歉。在您与证人讲话之前，我能否进行一个 非常简短的边栏讨论？我只想分享一件事。 法官说：好的。 卡马拉珠律师说：谢谢。 （边栏会议讨论，仅法官和双方律师在场） 卡马拉珠律师说：法官大人，您之前问过是否有可能出现其他州法律犯罪问题。 我们团队的一名律师提醒我，他确实在 Pax 诉讼中提交了一份宣誓书，我们可能会问他 相关问题。我想如果他否认这里面某个陈述是不真实的，理论上这可能会引发问题，但我 只是希望您在发布指示时能够考虑到这一点。就是这样。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 142 / 145页 法官说：好的。 莫里律师说：我确认 Pascarella先生可以与哈立德先生进行咨询。 法官说：好的。很好。 （回到公开法庭） 法官说：哈立德先生，我想告诉你一个我有的担忧。有人问你关于你同时为花旗 银行和莱克星顿工作并领取薪水的时期的问题。你记得吗？ 证人说：记得。 法官说：施洛夫女士开始问你是否每天为每个工作了七个小时，总共十四个小时。 你与检方达成的协议，不起诉协议，涵盖联邦犯罪，但不涵盖州犯罪。如果一个人接受报 酬但没有工作，比如说他们接受了薪水但一天工作为零小时，这可以被视为一种盗窃行为。 我提起这个问题的原因是，你有一项重要的宪法权利，保护你不被自我归罪，这意味着你 不能被强迫承认犯罪。所以我指示你与你的律师 Pascarella先生交谈，并向他提出这个问 题，询问是否应该回答关于同时为花旗银行和莱克星顿工作的问题。此外，你可能会被问 到你签署的宣誓书，其中有一个问题是关于你是否讲了实话。同样，做虚假陈述可能构成 州犯罪，你并不受到保护免于州犯罪。因此，我也希望你向他询问这方面的问题。你明白 吗？这是一个是或否的问题。 证人说：不。我不明白。 法官说：你可能记得在电视或电视转播的审判中看到或听到人们援引第五修正案 的权利。当你援引第五修正案时，你是在说，"我主张我不自我归罪的权利。我说我不会 承认犯罪。" 这就是它的意义所在。因为你不必这么做，你有权对此保持沉默。因此，关 于你是否在一段时间内接受了未完成工作的报酬以及你是否在宣誓书上不真实的问题，由 于这些事情可能构成州犯罪，我希望你与 Pascarella先生交谈，并请他就如何回答可能涉 及这两个主题的问题提供建议。 证人说：好的。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 143 / 145页 法官说：你明白吗？ 证人说：明白。 法官说：好吧。那么你在明天重新作证之前会和他讨论。 证人说：好的。 法官说：好的。谢谢你。你可以离开了。不要讨论你的证词。 莫里律师说：为了明确，法官大人，除了今晚与 Pascarella先生讨论外。 法官说：哦，当然。我指示你和 Pascarella先生讨论你的证词。 证人说：好的。谢谢。 法官说：好的。 （证人不在场） 法官说：还有什么其他问题吗？ 卡马拉珠律师说：辩方没有了，法官大人。 莫里律师说：有的，法官大人。简短地说，政府也想与 Pascarella 先生谈话。我 们不会讨论哈立德先生的证词内容。我们只是想确保他了解问题是什么——也就是 Pascarella先生——这样他才能正确地给哈立德先生提供建议。 卡马拉珠律师说：我认为可以通过向 Pascarella 先生提供记录来实现。他可以看 记录，对吧？他们可以把记录发给他。 法官说：如果有的话。我只是不知道什么时候能提供。 芬克律师说：法官大人，我们提到这个问题是因为我们不想违反规则。我们显然 不会和证人谈话，但我们有权与他的律师谈论他与我们的协议，他的律师。 法官说：是的。
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 144 / 145页 芬克律师说：简短地说，我们想知道明天要准备多少证人，并且与各方关于下周 日程安排的讨论相关，施洛夫律师能否提供一个估计她还需要多少时间进行交叉询问。 法官说：施洛夫律师。 施洛夫律师说：两个半小时。 法官说：你说两个半小时？ 施洛夫律师说：是的。他整整作证了一天半。我是说——他也停顿很久。他停顿 的时间很长，所以我打断了，然后她反对，说我打断了。 法官说：嗯，也有很多重复的问题，所以你可以在交叉询问中更有效率。 施洛夫律师说：我会尽力的，法官大人，但我确实认为“已问并回答”——我真的 不认为我得到了答案，但我会尽量不重复自己。 法官说：好的。 施洛夫律师说：谢谢。 法官说：祝各位晚上愉快。 所有律师说：谢谢，法官大人。 （休庭至 2024 年 6 月 12 日上午 9点）
【中文翻译 仅供参考】 O6B1GUO4 2024-6-11 庭审记录 第 145 / 145页 询问目录 询问: 页码 海特哈姆-哈立德 莫里律师直接询问 . . . . . . . . . . . . .2027 施洛夫律师交叉询问 . . . . . . . . . . . . .2085 辩方证物 证物编号. 采纳页码 7001 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2129 DX-10339 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2104 DX-60524 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2092
- Still improving the pages, send suggestions to [email protected]